Adolph Einspruch
Adolph Einspruch was born in 1898 in the city of Pilzno, in Galicia, then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. His family was in the bakery business, and though he was too young to work in it seriously, he helped out and grew up around the trade. He entered the Austrian army in 1918 and served until the army's collapse around 1920. His return home was harrowing, involving a dangerous train journey during which he lashed himself to the outside of a rail car. In the years that followed, under the new Polish regime, he was repeatedly conscripted and pursued, escaping from trains and hiding with sympathetic families. He was married in Krakow by a Jewish senator, Dr. Ozias Thon.
Drawn at one point toward settling in the Land of Israel, Einspruch spent time on a training farm near the Russian border as part of a resettlement movement, but he ultimately decided to go to America instead. He arrived in New York, where he worked as a baker and sought to join the bakers union. Frustrated by the difficulty, he and a handful of others organized their own union, meeting in the back room of a saloon on Norfolk Street. He learned the labor movement under a mentor, wrote about labor issues for a Yiddish publication, and rose to a leadership role, though he faced constant pressure and conflict from Communist rivals.
Einspruch came to Dallas, where he had a sister and other family connections, and with financial help from a friend he established himself in the bakery business. He took over a small bakery on North Akard Street, which he named the Ritz Bakery, in partnership with Max Breitbart. The delicatessen and bakery thrived on the strength of his fresh breads and rolls, drawing customers from the suburbs. When a bank sought his location, he relocated to Browder Street. His wife joined him in 1929, and the couple raised two sons, one a university dean in Miami and one a psychiatrist in Dallas. He sold the business around 1971 but continued baking for restaurants, including establishments tied to the Ricardo and Baccaro families, before finally retiring in 1985.
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This is Rose Biederman. The date is Wednesday, August 16, 1989. This is Rose Biederman, and I'm in the home of Mr. and Mrs. Adolph Einsbrook at 7432 Marquette, and I'm going to be speaking with them, and I'm going to ask Mr. Einsbrook, first of all, to, if you'll tell me your name and where you were born. All right. I'm born in a part of Galicia, Galicia, which was a part of Austria, in the city of Pilsnow. Pilsnow, P-I-L-Z-N-O. Pilsnow, in the Austro-Hungarian Empire there. That's right. Would you like to tell us the year you were born? The year, 1898. 1898. I understand that you came from a family of bakers.
That's right. Was your father a baker? I'm sorry, he had a bakery. He had a business there. Was his father a baker? He was a baker, yeah, but he had a business there. You had a business. Okay. Is it loud enough? You have this on? Yeah. Is it loud enough? I'm sure it is. Did you learn to be the baking business? Not exactly, but I was a French. I knew there was a bakery and there were bakers and we were private, but I didn't have much, too much to do with it. I was too young to be exploited. So, I did charge, I helped here and there, in school and occupied my time.
How long did you live there? I lived there till I went to the army I went to the army in 1918 To the Austrian army I was spending the army just in the Austrian army until about 1920 or so. When the Army capitulated, everybody was on. Everybody could go home and go home. And I was one of those who wanted to go home too. But the prep friends, that's where the officers had. They didn't make matters. Because there was no organization, central organization, that was supervised, you go use, everybody was on the zone. They had the money, and they had the rank, to help them.
So they went to Ukraine, and they went where they could, without plans at all. I went to go home, too, just the same. I had some money but not enough. And I'd ride myself into the train. I couldn't get inside the train, but I stood outside on the public. And I hanged myself with a military belt. To the train? In order to make it. I reached a certain point that was real dangerous, but I had no way to go away. There was no return. I got to where I wanted to go, to the station where I could go. From that station where I stopped, I could walk home.
Oh, wow. At about 12 kilometers, 3 European kilometers. I walked home. And when I came back to the house, I got into the door, naturally my mother and my father were there. I got into the room and then at the same time others, other people, Jewish boys, were in the same situation as I was. So we get together in one of the houses there, not in our own home. On the front was a tailor shop in the back was another room So we get together with three boys and he lived there for a while And the mother used to bring us food food until she got suspicious They got suspicious.
The Polacks took it over. After World War I. That's right. After the world war was pending, I was denounced, and I waited to play. and we took us back to the army. Took us back to the Polish army. I tried to avoid it as many times as I could. I was in the city of Taranow. Taranow, uh-huh. Yeah, but not far away from prison. About 23 kilometers. When I was size, I was hand-toked, and I took the bag. At that time, I know my life. We just started going out together. Are you from the same town? No. I am from Krakow. Oh. She's a lunch mother at the post.
Excuse me, are you a Native American? Yes. So you said you are not familiar. No, but I am familiar. Excuse me. I was in the Army already, and I can't come in. I find a place where I jumped off the train. By the train, I knew the station, right? The train slowed down. I knew when the station was I have a winter coat on me. The winter coat has a green lining, a green design lining, velvet. And this is an incident which leads to something more often. And the man didn't want to let me go. I said, I go out, I gotta go to the men's room or what.
I said, I'll I'll give you my clothes, you got something to go by. And he fell for it. He was a sergeant. The sergeant had the responsibility to bring me there and there. But I jumped down and I found a family from my city. We had a saloon in the immediate neighborhood. And they were kind enough to get me there for a nice few weeks But there was no plan was no plan there was no future what I going to do here how can I impose on people Uh So I went to the heart of the city. I had friends there, because Pismo and Tarno were closely related, like, like, Wallace would And there one time the Pollocks were to take charge of the situation where they should they should a decree.
But all those ex-army men, they wouldn't report until this and this hour and day. They would be a court-martial. And I was a very eligible fellow. A ride? Yeah. But I, my wife, urged me to go ahead, report, because they'll catch you after that time, they'll shoot you. That's what they did. But I made it sure that I go before the time, before the trouble was done. Sure enough, I was lucky that when I reported a sergeant that I was with him in the Austrian army, he didn't like me. And he had a reason not to like me because in the Austrian army I was in charge of things.
And he had a family, a young man, a family, just married. He had kids. And he took the military belts, the leather belts, and fixed his baby's shoes with it. There was such a great shortage of leather that he couldn't get it. And the Austrian Army, I was still I was still in Austria. He bothered me. He told me, you don't lay off. I'll report you. So he remembered that. He had an in for me. So he was good enough. He put in that and started me reporting before travel. He reported me after travel. So I was a businessman. Well, I met my family and I had an older brother home here.
And the only two, and I had to stand trial for a call, a call. So he came to town with $100 American dollars. And he got somebody, and he moved it to him. For $100, I was out. Oh, for $100 you were... Oh, no. I was out at that point of course. Then I had to do something. I don't have enough clothes. I don't have the kind of clothes. I have nothing. I find myself a job. In the car. The whole time. The first job, the first job that I found was a herring packing thing. The what? The herring. Oh, herring. Yes. The imported herrings.
I found the heritage of the cake, and I had to distribute them to my spot. Oh, I see. The cake. I and others, too. Yeah. They did that for a couple of nights, a couple of days, but I was hungry, but I had herrings. I spent there for a while. Then I had a few cents already. My brother knew already I needed money. I got better clothes. So I had another friend in the city of Krakow. That friend had a brother in Krakow, which was in charge of one of the finest cafes in Krakow. Do you have a year? No. Well, not in that part.
In Krakow, I mean in Europe, a cafe is not this way. You go into Waiat, you go down from over there to there. Over there, you come in, you have to be decently there, the business people, professionals. You get all the papers from, issued papers from the city or from the country or from the country, and you get a paper, you get a holder. The papers are framed into a holder for convenience so you can read You can stay there with a cup of coffee all day You know whatever bother ticket or nothing Right So that brother you know the head of the place tipped him off.
He put the aid out with my friend. I went to school with him and he feed him there. So he took the Mishni, and he felt me, he came with me. The doctor, he couldn't stay. So, and one day, I sit in the cafe in another very prominent place, but there were places full of wonderful people, business people, brokers, professionals. And a man sitting by the table, eye-eye me, he sparred me. And I noticed that some kind of eye contact matter from my next, and neck-might who, him. but I don't remember who he was exactly. Finally he motioned to me, I should come over again.
I said, don't you remember me? Don't you know me? I said, yeah, now I know you. Mr. Frenkel. Mr. Frenkel was a very high man in the big expedition He was in charge of that office. So he asked me, what are you doing here? I said nothing. I'm just out of the army. Well, by talking, I did him little favors, because when he was a liberal, a supplier to the army, and I had charge of the warehouses, if the sector should give us a storm, so I rejected. I could reject it. And the second, this is damage of my job, rejected, not accepted. He was a friendly guy, I overlooked sometimes, sometimes I didn't.
But he remembered that, he told me that. But I wouldn't be good. Would you want to come to my office? I would. But what would you like to do? He knew that I had some administrative abilities. His office in Krakow was about paying more people old primers and in French in the job for years and years A new one comes in he couldn give me a job to be in charge of them So give me a good one And then I'll put you into the corresponding office. Would you like that? Yeah. I know German. I'm in Polish. I know a little Russian. I could be a little Hungarian.
Now, even to this other day, I can blahbl, but not speaking. I went into the office and I stayed there for quite a while. In a moment, I left the office because I was inspired to go to Israel. So there was a certain doctor, Black, a woman doctor. And she said, she informed this Mr. Franklin, because that's about intelligentsia, she clicked together. And he told her about me, he wants to go to Egypt. So let him come to my office, I'll examine him, because he's physical fit. She can ejections, she can't, you know what I mean? It's 16 more people. I went to a farm first.
In Hogwarts. Where was the farm? The farm was way down almost on the Russian border. Why did you go there? There was a colony and there was a big farm that we had to go on farming. In order to go to Israel? Yeah, in order to get the epits. Okay, okay. Well, was this part of a movement? Yeah, it was a part of a movement. Sort of a resettling movement to Israel. So you would get farming experience first. Sure. Okay. Well, I spent a nice couple of weeks with the owner, with the Ayd, with the payers, the Orthodox. I hate him for this very day.
For what they carry on here. You know what they carry on here. They build a bunch of them all over. So we're intertwined. So I I came back to Krakow and I organized myself to go. I thought this came by at the moment to go to Israel. I said I would go to Israel. Go where? I would go to Israel Alright But then I knew my life I knew it No you weren married yet No Then since you touched on the subject I said you decided to get married And I go to America Oh, why did you want to go to America? Well, maybe materialistic.
Maybe better, maybe a younger couple. A young man. Maybe I got influence for the moment. So did you get married? I married. He was a senator, a Jewish senator. He was a senator to the Polish regime. In the movement he started to be a doctor, Dr. Oziah Stone. He was a Polish son, a Jew. He married us. And I decided to go away. I left for three years. Oh, you came on by yourself? I left for three years. And where did you come when you came here? I was in New York for three years. I left I understand. After me being three years of American, I worked.
Where were you when you came here? To what city did you come? Back to Krakow. No, when you came to America. Oh, here, I think to New York. To New York. No, New Jersey. Oh, New York, okay. This is a separate story, a tiny different story. I could keep it from a list of them. Well, we'll just have to touch the highlights. Did you work in the bakery business in the... I got to New York. I got to New York. And I tried to go into the union. And the union was there, like a thrust that I wouldn't take in, like new ones. Oh. Well, they told me.
Then I went to the street, I see a few men with picket signs, some written in English, some written in the Jewish, on one side Jewish. Oh. Yeah. So, six or eight people walking out, I don't know what it is. So I go over to the crowd, I said, what is this? They go, yeah, strike. I said, no, what it means is strike. But strike in Polish, I could tell. But here in America, in New York, they're talking about strike, using the Polish language. I find out part of the men are I approached him. He said, I would like to go get into the union.
So, he was nice to me. He told me, I know that he was a social dynamic. He said, well, if you want to come down, you have to go to the joint ward with people. I thought it was commissioned to accept you or not. So where is that? He said, well, I gave it the address. Now, was this a bakery union? Yeah. I gave it the address. So it gave me the address. So I took out that watermelon pen. That was the first fine pen that my brother sent me from Europe to America. That was like a sensation, like a Jew opinion. and I took out the pen and I started riding and I had a good time riding.
So I looked at me and said, you're not a greenhorn, if you can ride like this, you're showing off the greenhorn and you walked away from me. But I had the others. I went there, you know New York? No. But when I stayed behind the door, they said, put me in, let me in, and I'll tell them what I want. Me and I are five, five, I find five, six more people here, but they're the same choice. They better get into the union, everyone would talk there. Why say that? Why can't we organize ourselves? Oh. We decided to have our own union. Some of them had jobs, but they had better jobs, some of them had to go again for the union.
Uh-huh. We had a few dollars. So, okay, let's go. Now, but were you working at that time in the bakery business? Yes. And I went on number five, number three, one of them told you, Nuffield Street. Norfolk Street, but the typical Jewish business section, all the pushcups in there. And what was the street? Norfolk Street Norfolk Yeah Okay Everybody there was a man of Norfolk Street I went to the 13th office and the saloon and the saloon keep up I talked to him You go into the back room, you have your room. You want to get the organizers to get your job. They'll bomb out in it.
Give us a back room. They organized us there, just like this. Uh-huh. What year was this? What year? About? About? About 1920, 20, 20, 20 and a half. Around 1920 or 21. This was not enough to get organized. It's just a name. We had no means. We had no doubt. So I used to write English. He used to write English. He said, I want to go after the performance. You know after the performance. and I found that fellow he was a doctor a doctor dentist a doctor he had a Swedish name he had a profession as a dentist but he was a writer he went forward where is he protecting me he said he called me over he's figuring me out he's figuring me out from those six, seven, and a half talking to you well he used to come out with us come tomorrow again, come a day after again.
He said, well, I've got to go to work. He said, the villa ranch itself. He'd go to work for a few hours. And he'd give me an idea of what the union means. But all around, there was many, many simple things. Finally, she came. I got into the union. I had a little money in the pocket. I sent them. not on the central, I went before. Oh, you went before? Oh, yeah, in 1926 I went back to the... You went back in 1926? Yes. Okay. And still I left it for three more years, because the court in America was Senator Hyrum Johnson. He was the one that instigated prohibition, all the reactionary laws, and he introduced a law against immigration, and the law was very strict people.
They observed because it was two people who were Americans. I went back to Patrimo and came back When I came back I got back into Union and became a maha And we became a maha to not the extent that we got a job in the union a high pay a high high job not only about as a paid job but I had the privilege to write and I wrote for the forest and I figured out I had it here in the box Now, were you still a baker, or did you, all your time was... I was still a baker. Okay. So this was like on the side you would write for the articles for the four walls.
When I write, I was confined to my labor problems in the U.S. I see. I hadn't been that short. Okay. I spent a year, it was a struggle to be. I would go to work for anybody else than I could, but I was not fortunate. She came here, we established ourselves. When did your wife come? In 1929. She couldn't come until 1929, and you were still living in New York? No. No. No. Why did you leave New York? I'll tell you. But being in the Union, as I already said, it was a struggle to maintain, especially when you want to be in the leadership. The Communists were after you.
The Communists, whatever they couldn't get in, they'd destroy you. If they couldn't get charged with the union, that would be best to destroy it. And I didn't want it to happen. So I was fighting as long as I could. But they came up to a time, I couldn't take it from home. So I decided to go on vacation. From New York, I went to vacation two dollars. I had a sister here. Oh, you had a sister living here. and a sister here. You were at Dallas? Yes. You know maybe the Prumans? You heard of the Moshellers? Who? Mosheller, Dina Mosheller. Oh, sure. She wasn't a guy.
Yes, yes. Dina Mosheller, I was the whole wedding in Europe. Oh Now she was your sister No My brother married a brother My brother was her brother Your brother-in-law was Dina Morchauer's brother? That's right. Okay. So I had some. So you had people in Dallas, so that's why you came and visited Dallas? Yes. And I would come around and they'd point me, and say, when are you going to go back for me? Try to bring over your family here, and we're going to help you here. And there was a brother, Sidney Fruman, who was a bachelor. Very extremely rich man. Extremely rich man. Very good head for business.
And when I came in, it was listed on the market. They had the 70s stores and all this. Fruman? Yeah, Sidney Fruman. Sidney Fruman. My brother-in-law's mother. My brother-in-law sent Fruman. And I go to Sydney. We went to Hyde together in Europe. I see him. He was happy to see me. He received me like a friend. He said, what are you doing here? I came in, I wanted to establish myself here, but I had no money. I had a few dollars, and a few bonds. I said, I'll help you. I needed $8,000. I made $8,000 for all the money. Sure. Now what year was this?
This is in 46. In 46? Oh, no. It would have to be in the 30s. That was the 46, yeah. When we came to Dallas, I already had money. He gave me the money. Here, I'll give you the money. He had the office of a bomb in Tellez. He was not in the York area. No. I established myself in the 54th Bakery, and you know Dallas, you know the Eckert Street, the little Bakery. You came in that one? But I think you came here in the 30s. To America, but not to Dallas. No, no, to Dallas. No, I can't remember. I never felt that, didn't I?
Well, according to an article I read, you opened in Dallas in 36. In 46. After the war? In 46. After World War II? Yeah, actually. But that time already the Koreans started making problems. Okay, well go ahead. I opened the bakery at Dallas. I bought the shop in 1940s. What was the name of the shop you bought? Was it Ritz Bakery? Yeah. I established the name. You established the name? I established the name. This is a little, little pecan story. How I come to talk about Ritz. I like Ritz. I'm walking towards the 5th Avenue on my free time. I see a big, big sign outside.
Ritz. Ritz Hotel. Oh, uh-huh. And the thrombles. The idea for the name, Ritz, that was like the tops. The tops, that's a dignified car outside, and then a uniform. Well, going back to business. So you, when you came to Dallas you decided to open a bakery? No, I took over the bakery. There was a little bakery on Browder Street. Oh, not on Browder. I mean, Akkert. On North Akkert Street. On North Akkert Street. When I got into the place, I see people passing by, I take a call, they go, that's a good spot. Uh-huh. I have two customers, five customers. I have somebody who's interested.
And when I came into that place, before I bought it, in my transaction I saw a few barbecue benches with a few drugs Sitting there and drinking with us and throw this I don see my business I have a few bread and I did. So we can make something out of this. Now you had a partner. Yeah, Max. Max Breitbart. Max Breitbart. Yeah, yeah. And how did you get together with Mr. Breitbart? Mr. Breitbart survived. Mr. Brantford's wife was a brother to Dina's husband. Oh, they were related to Dina Marchauer also? Yeah. And that's how you became acquainted with him? Yeah. Oh, I see. So you didn't know him before coming to town?
I knew him. I knew him. I knew him. Okay. Yeah, but it's a very Kishlepka family there. Well, had he been in the bakery business? No, no, he was in the grocery store, and he was in the business for himself, and maybe a few dollars, and he had the same reason to come here, because he had a sister here, You had nobody else, no brother, no sister. And I had my sister here, so that let me in. So did you think that the opportunity was maybe better here? Yeah, yeah. I figured that there were no unions here. No. There was a union, but I was not a player, because I had plenty of pool in the union.
I can do what I want to do. Would you say that the unions that were here were not as strong as in New York? No, they're not. They're not. They're not. Especially the Bakers Union. They were not Bakers anyway. So, especially when I took over the shop, so the first thing I said, I put out those benches. Those barbecue benches which are gone out of the coast. I closed off for a couple of days and painted it and scraped it. They did make something out of it. They made it from the beginning of it. From the beginning of it was success. It was hard work on my part especially.
Because there was no specialty There were no makers that know the business Not only know the business but I know the plate I know the manufacturing owner It developed pretty good. And... competitors start coming in from... Bakery makes a good... I went off the bakery to I don't know if it happened. I mean, I'm always laying on up and up on the highway, on up and up, not far away from me. Do you remember Phil and Mary? Phil still kept at us. Was that Phil Miller? Yeah. Yeah. He was a competitor. He was competing with me. By the way he slipped in, he lost. I don't know if it's my business, so you want to know either.
But I remember he stopped in the place that Neiman Marcus was there on the... Commer... Commer Street? No, no. He was like a... he was at Commer Street. No, he was not at Commer Street. Commer Street was Oyving. Anyway, he opened up a place now in New York, I was going to. And they made a price of money. He made a lot of money. But he did with the money that came from Las Vegas, and take him with the Cadillac to Las Vegas, playing. And he didn't pay the bills. They tolerated him, they made money, he didn't make money. money, but he could have no capital of a lot of money because of the good business.
When he became a citizen of his own age, he was broke, he got sick, he died in the old age of a whole. He got it. Well, when you came to Dallas, were there other Jewish bakeries? There was in South Dallas. In South Dallas. In South Dallas, there was a bakery, yeah. I don't know what they mean. I never associated with that. Okay. Nobody. I've owned my own business. But I mean, so that wasn't really competition, the bakeries that were in South Dallas. I didn really compete with them because I had trade that came from the suburbs to buy them in Northern Arizona but they counted The suburbs came back and they were not a wholesale It a similar wholesale Whatever you see you want to buy you can have it Yeah, am I correct?
It was a delicatessen and a bakery. Yes. So you had, like, lunch trade and... And they said, the delicatessen department was very good to succeed because I had my bread, my rolls, fresh, baked, in the shop. So, I said, really, not even in the very day, you don't have it, no. That's right. The old, the old P&L rolls, the bankers had to make it way to the night. In the morning, they sell stale bread. And I said, no, I'll sell, I'll make, and I'll sell. But the idea came down. The unique lady, maybe, both lady. In fact, she's still alive. She's a black man. At Golden Aker.
No, she wasn't. Yeah, she was a gold white man, that's right. She was a little bit of What was your, do you remember what you thought about Dallas after you moved here? Did you think it was... I was full of hopes. I met people, people appreciated me. The only thing is my place was of air-conditioned at that time, still they come in. And the reason that When I left, I got three. At that time, the Voice International Bank, do you remember that? I had an eye on this place. Oh, I see. And they wanted me out in the worst way. And I knew, but I cannot compete with the Voice Nation.
They want something. They have a pool in this city hall. They can condemn the place and have it anyway. So I made a deal with them. They paid me out. And I looked at the location on Browder Street. On Browder Street. Yeah, for the Jewish community. No, the federation used to be the Jewish Federation. Yeah, they were in a building. So you were on 205 Browder Street. That's right. Was business just as good there? Very good. Very good. Very good. My children grew up. I said, Daddy, could be enough. I was sent, it's at 6 to 5, tell them to get out. I got sent to them, tell them to get out.
We don't need nothing from them. We don't want to. You need, you need something, tell us. It's the best you know the world. How many children do they have? You have two? Two boys. Two sons? One is the dean of the university in Miami. In the western Miami, one is a psychiatrist. I haven't met him, but I spoke to him. Yeah, he is a psychiatrist. He's a psychiatrist in Dallas. So when did you retire? Well, I got a story. When I retired, in 72, I said I'd better retire. In 1972? Yeah, I said so. Oh, you said so? Yeah. I had a customer with George, retired George, from the top Georges.
He called me, and he talked to me on the first night. I said, fine, I like that. I said, I made it for the first check all the time, and I didn't get it. I didn't wait for exactly what I needed, but it's coming to me. So I told him, I said, what are you going to do? I said, George, I have a story. Tell me what is the matter. Can I help you? I said, maybe. And I told him, I had made an application, all the papers, let's say, and I didn't get my check. He said, oh, well, you can't make stuff. He was a federal judge.
But he was also retired. The beacon would take care of that. Sure enough, I got money and a check that I retired from my filing and application. His influence sent me another check. Oh, my. I had three checks, four checks, and I said, Lord, I'll push pass. I would not do that. I went back to the source of the group and I had a number of checks But I understand you really didn retire No I retired in 1985 You retired in 1985 Yeah Well, you were working part-time or as a consultant? Yeah, I was a consultant part-time. I went until 1985. So, when I got the check, I said, no, I'll keep on working.
I'll work there until... Until 1971, 1971 I got out on the Broadway Street. Did you close the business? I sold out. You sold out. Yeah, I had a cyclist. Did another bakery come in or a eating place? No, no. Oh, so you just completely sold out. Yeah. It says here a charbroiler was going to come to that site, so a fast food service. I had very well appeared. So this was in 1971? Yeah, 1971, yeah. Well, I said, my friend, maybe, you know what the Omniborosal restaurant is? The what? On the Warsaw Restaurant. No. The Artists Restaurant. Yeah. The Glasses Zone, Mario's. This is one company.
Six, seven places. And the owner of those places was the mother of Brenda Beccaro. Oh, uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's right. The Beccaro family. And that nephew, Uncle Ronji's place, Victor Ricardo, Bill Ricardo. Bill Ricardo, a good friend of mine, my son. Bill Ricardo said, I need a bakery because I used to sell them. Oh, I see. When I was a businessman. Okay. And they knew they couldn't duplicate the product. So they wanted me to go and make a bakery for them. Oh So I went over there I didn have a dinner all of that I said Bill I look look over your promises you haven got no place here to make a break And besides I want to take a rest I going to go to Europe I go to Europe and come back and I'm situated.
I'll talk business serious with you. The fact is that I, as soon as it's, find out the same week, you found out that I'm back. So I looked around with a man, he gave me a man, a car, and I looked around for another place. To set up a bakery? Yeah. There was a place on Harry Heights, if you remember, the Bali High, in the front of a standing dormant, a big Russian Kazakh with a big head, like a dormant. It was a site. People were going to see it. We found a little place there in the basement, but it was halfway equipped for the bakery.
I said, this is the place, be alright. I said, go ahead. You rented the place for the restaurant. He took the restaurant and I'll fix up the bakery. So what was not needed, I bought it and I cooked it in a complete shop. with a model. I'll clean out the best products. I stayed up for a year and a half. And what exactly did you do? Did you actually do the baking or you supervised? I did some. You did some baking and you supervised? Oh, yes. I did some. And we stayed up for a year and a half. And the owner of the building He's a very big national known figure in the carter.
They own the building. Insurance mill. So you get an idea why they have to have a bank and the rest of it. I'll make offices out of this. Let him make money for himself. He'd throw his boat out. Build a bakery here in the gold building. You know, the two golden buildings? Yeah, yeah. I didn't do the bakery there. So you set up another bakery. I set up another bakery. And did you hire the bakers? Yeah I hired the bakers the bakeries this was my business I bought I shopped for the bakery I was in complete control of the bakery And I had to supply seven places All those places I had to supply And that came in 1976.
In 1976, I got sick. I went out from there. I was born for about a year. And they keep on coming away, coming back, coming back, coming back. I figured I turned up and I'm not. And there, I said, they're my kids. I'm a Russian person. So I said, I'll come back there about two or three months. I came two or three months, they come for me. They call me, they come for me. And I took my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my Siddensache, what I needed. And then I started rolling the machine again. Until, in 1985, Schürer stepped out.
The company as a whole didn't do it anymore. The company didn't have the proper help. Now this is a letter from Ficaro Restrault dated October in 1985 and they say they're disappointed that you decided to retire. Well they're sorry to see you retire and they wish you the best of everything and if you want to come back you could. So how old were you then? I was a little bit old. You were in your 80s. Well I guess you earned your retirement we could say that. It's a very nice letter complimenting you on your work and your bread and teaching and all the quality that you established.
When I go downtown, I go downtown twice a week. Once a week, I feel like there's some business that I meet people. They ask me, well, when are you going to open bacon? Oh, we miss the rolls, we miss this, we miss that. There's no place where to eat now. I go this part of the city, I find the same thing. I go here to North Park, I find the same customers. I buy the bread from the same people that they buy. They can, why do I have to buy bread? Make it all. Do you still make your own bread? No. You don't? If I'm out, I'm out.
You don't feel? No. If I get myself a vowel. No, I mean here in your own kitchen you don't do it. In the beginning I made a few for the doctor but I didn do that for six or eight So you don bake even in your own kitchen No Does your wife bake? She's all right, but it's too hot now. It's too hot, yeah. But she knows. Uh-huh. Her father also had a bake. Pardon? Her father also had a bake. Oh, her father also was a baker. In Krakow. In Krakow. That's interesting. Uh-huh. Five people. She said, that's the way you can find it. I don't know, this was one issue, and then they broke the mold, there is no mold.
Well, that's a very nice compliment for your wife. Devoted, devoted, not demanding, not willing to care. Whenever you see in this house, hidden or not hidden, she can have it ten times as much. Do you have anything that you could comment about maybe Dallas Jewish life as different from when you were growing up I'm sure it's very different here from... It's a great difference. A great difference in every respect? Well, it is in every respect because the life conditions are different. The atmosphere is different. The community is different. The element is different. The element that I come from or she come from or still around, they are not in the inn.
There are a few people that are at the age of 80, 85, should have a say-so in them. But the only person that I admire is Eric Johnson, which is in the 80s. He still has something to say. Maybe they'll listen to him out of respect or out of his real experience. I've had a particular experience of it. Well, maybe the funeral, I'll arrive at that, but they take a bit like Martin Sanger I met him a couple weeks ago I had lunch with him He had enough too But he came and he'd be active. There were many, many others I could hear. Jacobi, the old man Jacobi, did you ever hear of him?
He's gone. He died a young man. He's not like his man. But he He died, he was, he died, whatever he died, he was not complete no more. He was lying. I can remember what he did. I have a picture of the whole thing. Whatever I say here in the laboratory, that doesn't go with your mission. See, I have written my own stories. All right. Well, I'm going to say thank you very much for this interview that you've given the Society.