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okay well in order to set the setting let me just tell everyone that were in for the purposes of interview for the rooster boots project today 13 and I will start out by asking Alan to tell us a little bit about the background of your grandparents where they came from europe or history in South Africa Oh bromley starting my grandparents understood from my great grandpa belly of a fat man's rely my great-grandfather was born in Germany and he immigrated to South Africa peon he established a trading post and smaller ok all trains coming from Johannesburg down the cape down so he started trading post softline
very successful businessman had six kids more than thought very young three three girls and two boys my grandfather came for this business partner was an African and at the time of the role in the 19th century he was interned by the British and accused of being force of the function so at that point in time he sent his three girls two sisters back to Germany his sons studies on so my grandmother moved back to Germany she was born in 70 was born in Germany she was born in South Africa she went back to German in berlin she was married and my dad was born and
her husband was killed in the First World War and he was bothering with asylum germs so my grandmother my father was without a father when he was two years old so at that point I my grandmother remarried until it passed they live in Germany my dad was an apprentice he graduated high school he was apprentice for sewing machines have been called okok he was in NFL and this was in the early nineteen fifties and yellow trouble with some day to youth going to Fontan for sure the boys they beat them up leave town Mary so he left Germany in the 1930s and went back to
South Africa his uncle's Second World War broke up and he volunteered for the South African name volunteer panics was descriptive the southern connect bicho palace and off to the wall he went back to southern my mother's a story is a lot different and in a sense the one instead just month of your parents were in Frankfort and my grandparents and she was in the Jewish day school in frankfurt 1938 really talented man church that's cool so the elder sister and elder brother got visas to immigrate serve so they immigrated to South Africa I guess the month in 36 month and she then had visas to
go there as the appearance but she was refused to visa master for what reason whenever possibly quite positive so at age 18 she actually fortunate for visiting our site Chicago at 18 years old and her parents support extended family were inside and looked with an aunt an uncle pinche carbon so she lived in Chicago had two kids my brothers and her husband 20 years old thought of a heart attack lift her with the five year old 10 worth my money no means of support she was not after graduating high school so she had no education she was working in a candy store and she's working
taking people's homes and then actually got to the point where it was unsustainable so their sister brought it to some African with the children with the children mothers so she came to South Africa 1953 with my dad 250-300 they were introduced by a mutual friend fitna there's something the temperatures so that we married shortly after what would your father do my father started off working for his uncle's was selling salt then he had got crosswise with his uncle's as he felt they had not treated him right so he joined another for selling blankets for so one fits what were then called the concession stores and
each one of the minds there was a retail store owner of the stores granted a concession to sell goods to the moment business at that time so he was traveling around working somebody and then he got to the point when he got married my mother basically pushed him and said you've got to be something for yourself so he then brought a business that was importing and also mean used overcoats so he started that business develop that business other businesses engineering this Pat forties and still life that was used our minds and used in clubbing and then he had none of us do cheap metal project
products or water tanks some duct work venison okay so I've got a bit of a follow-up question I want to ask about the brothers that came with your mom what age Oh persecuted what age were they when they came with your mother Judith half of six and three my dad my mother's story is a real tragic story but she pokes he lifts her parents income is an 18 year old German to states with no family and in the space of a year and a half she lost her father and mother her mother law and her husband so she lost all kinds of familial supreme so
the time that she at what age was she would she actually marriage upon she was born in nineteen twenty so she's been about 33 years old so then my dad adopted and at the time that at what point in the marriage were were you born relative you and your brother you are not in the rest of them siblings born relative to these businesses that were developed I was born I'm 11 years younger than my oldest brother and thank you son so the baby the pen and my dad bought those businesses run around the end of the market defense 15 16 and we're in South Africa
YouTube jasmine tell me about the Johannesburg community community that we're living in the school that you attended what was it like living well it was a terrific childhood think terrific ever say some areas mean that lived in with predominantly Jewish the kids in my classes were contribution with the area that we lived in Kalani was probably one people more affluent suburbs in South African in martinsburg certainly chance so the kids that I would just go wood came from very influenced we were not at that point but they came from very affluent families that were great kids lots of good friends there was said I go
across the street from where we love which we did not go because a wonderful childhood fear of being kidnapped ejector they walk around the neighborhoods at night with no fear itch aren't going to set it or not to go out meet friends have movies visit girls with no fear at all we in public school I was in public school song was your particulars your family Zionist they were very supportive of Israel we weren't particularly religious although we did attend synagogue and I went to sunday schools and i carry on my education has my bat meza which is unusual for those kids at my dad's assistance
yeah they were very supportive measure my dad used to work cards for what was then called the equivalence of what is now UJ cards he was acting on the board at synagogue he was in the military subjective reference could you would not belong to any Zionist youth group I did not many friends that remember but I have Kira I went to one camp that was part of the universe of Jewish gems so when you want summer camp but I was not an accident so once you finished high school how did you choose your career what how did you go go to college well I had
chosen my career when I was 13 and 14 years old to accounting because in South Africa that went on the entry to the business community was sure there was no sort of ABA emphasis at that point in time so there are newer want to drive the business natural county would be the best option you potentially a relationship in a marriage and then have that room or something so I made the decision to come to the United States investigate colleges here complete my education so did you came here as a single person just 21 years old so how did you decide where to come I came
here with two other friends and we went to New York and I'm picked up some college applications in the orchid NYU place that we went to California we picked up some applications in LA we went to Connecticut to look at university of connecticut victim applications there we came to Dallas Sullivan SMU to Florida and victims and applications there so I just didn't know what the hell I was doing just came picked up a few college applications knew nothing about the u.s. system and our pliancy colleges here now where did you end up going to school I applied to NYU as an undergrad because I want to finish my accounting degree David they rejected my application because i had a bachelor's degree and they suggested at the time wanted to apply to our MBA program so I did apply to my use mba program rules except there some anonymity Remy and and a lot of what point did you mention life well in between the time that i immigrated the states of thought in college in 1977 when I'm graduated in 79 my older brother John had immigrated here to the
states to Dallas with his 11 kids so when I graduated I chose to come down and go Allison since every night and I was working here in public accounting I volunteered served as a volunteer at the Confederation they had a group of core be young executive breakfast forum which i think is p resurfaced and was basically a forum for young Jews involvement is additional diversity in the business community to get together meet and open our speakers and as it happens she was the professional from a Jewish Federation and what is your lunch date Janice Janice Jenkinson we met she was working for the Federation at
their toxic campaign assertion this was in 1980 so we've been through before going to school in why you no no I graduate from my unit semi not so I came down here I was working County on a work for neiman marcus and there financial planning and budgeting and I left there to start my own business so you and Jonas were married in 1986 tell me about your family we have two kids two girls very proud of Rebecca is 25 Jenkins 22 but then we do solomon schecter living Academy graduated Rebecca graduated and spent two years at hockaday and was miserable the hakama she didn't wear
two young man so she graduated daughter Jackie Salman shake that graduate demonstrates government's birth in graduation yup Rebecca went to the University of Maryland which is my wife's alma mater she graduated with a degree in English and she is currently living in New York City a company that manufactures children's furniture she's doing some marketing product project product management that's my younger daughter Jackie went to gouge at University which is also in suburban Baltimore to small liberal arts school very different career paths university maryland public school big big score the largest student jewish population of any college and country give excellent she chose it because I
think my wife had an influence and then Jackie went to multiple she wanted a smaller college experience which was great to her she fed you graduated last year 2050 degree history and woman stunt and she's currently enrolled messes of journalism program step 5 kids are do you still have family left yeah I lost my mom two months ago I have a brother and insistent more lumens I've ever going to had one kid there who has full kids of her own yeah then I let some cousins under visual do you ever regret having left absolutely is there anything about the country well my memories of that
as a child and those memories with great memories like great friends just the bread community living a very active but love sports and that lifestyle link itself to them so that part unless the cameramen friendships that which I've still been trained still my closest friend love swing dancing Chicago Toronto all over the world but some that part i miss the camaraderie and the opportunity to develop those friendships in the car but i think we would say replaced that developed new friendships how easy was it for you to integrate it was not easy the dallas jewish committee at that point in time mountain seminar was a
relatively small community it was quite insulin not overly welcoming people leaving that took a while to get involved I did a couple of things which I think helped they might vote to the Federation helps some people in social settings and and i think the single biggest contributor to my integration juice committee was a fact that i played softball temple sholom softball team an awful lot of people so then it sort of gave me the common ground okay they didn't talk soccer or rugby and cricket and I couldn't talk baseball or basketball football as a form of reference I was in part of a BYO or
any of those institutions so I had a farm common ground once I did that it was much easier are you currently involved in well I was a past president of Solomon chicken executive 20 in the board of yoga I thought currently serving those things i will remember backpack store that cause of part of the executive committee in the board of NASA ago not currently at examples looking for me grand am still opposes estas serve as the Audit Committee Chair philippine academy I slow on the border were there any particular traditions that were important to you in South Africa that you brought I think the one
thing that I would say we did bring with us is we had a petition in our family that we were not religious observance is fraught a non-person so we didn't go out my brothers after they were married they came for dinner to ask ourselves in front essentially continue that tradition so with furniture back on the worid friends house we did not go out and find honest we did not go to the movies or not for done I would pursue the kids and fans when they were younger they were the kids would be that gets a tradition which which I haven't you it's not you take
you don't uniquely South African but i think it's unique in a sense that just sort of a secular Shabbat and I think it's created very strong traditional since this interview is meant to be a legacy not just for the community what else would you like your children to know about your past about your history that's an interesting question I mean I know a lot already because we talk about bad that they are have been fascinated and want to know more about a family we're not so wild life family I took my father's going to my mother's because he had a big family he was a
huge them a lot of his life centered around her so my kids learnt about his family through him so they have a great sense my mother was very guarded about invest for understandable reasons you have a lot of mishaps and misfortune the consequences and so she was nowhere near as communicative so we know little or nothing about my mother's family histories she told she never talked at all about experiences in German kind of blocked them so I think my kids try to get her to talk about that but she was very reluctant so they had a great sense of my father's very warm water campus
in family he loved first is there a special message for kids and that I think if I could embrace some of my father's my father was a very vibrant man he lived until his nineties and he had this big arianus walter love you jumped out of bed in the morning you just wanted to look worked into his eighties was rid the newspapers and knew what was going on and drove a car and winter computer class in his eighties if they could embody that spirit that will to live that drive that to me that's thank you very much out on the senator pleasure morning I wish
you all the best