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good morning I'm here with on health costs pitcher my name is Joe Rangel as the interviewer and today is June 21st 2018 hello there good morning tell us a little bit about your family what you're a member of your grandparents and your parents where they were from etc and how you got to be here in Dallas well because of my accent you may realize I wasn't born the US I was born in Buenos Aires Argentina and my parents both came from Poland but from different areas upon goes to war so my mother and my father came from the gublin which is in this southeast corner
of Poland and close to the Ukraine my grandfather on my mother's side went to Argentina in 1925 with five children and my father went by himself in 1930 and unfortunately both families had a very different outcome my father's family was killed in the Holocaust except a uncle and my grandfather because on my mother's side because she went to Argentina with his family all the people that I knew her family lived in Argentina and the reason I am here in Dallas is because I am an engineer and I you know about Texas Instruments I was an electronic engineer in Argentina and I can we since women's
to work in the oil exploration division so I had experience in the field how to explore for oil especially in Ecuador I was in the Amazon jungle for a while as a training engineer and when did you come here how long ago oh I came in 1969 we have a our oldest daughter was just a year old and we went to London and then to Sydney in Australia and then we came back in 1973 and our youngest daughter was born in 74 we have three children but one was born in Argentina the other one was born in England which is my son the middle one
and my youngest one okay and you were married in Buenos Aires so tell us a little bit about some of the highlights of your childhood well it's very different than the one that you may be familiar with in Dallas all the way he grew up in a big city like when the site is 12 million people I did not live in the center when I say I live in the outskirts and it was well like a true talent we had water was needed to be pumped and also the sewage system and also we are playing soccer in the field across our house my I grew
up in a very you know known in the class even just working-class neighborhood so these were good memories for you pretty much yes when you recharge you sure you don't think what went on mainly because I was born in 1942 which was the year that Germany destroyed the jewelry of Poland and my family was on my father's side was destroyed there but they didn't know anything about him my father didn't speak about it and so I didn't know did he ever open up during his lifetime later on not really because she passed away many many years ago and people didn't talk about the Holocaust the
way what was your Jewish life like in those days in Buenos Aires I was the only child in my school okay and and there was no synagogue and there was not a community large community we had friends that were Jewish the lady that lives across the street was Jewish and so we had that my grandfather was quite religious but he lived in the city and those were seen ago did you spend holidays with him or celebrations yes when we could because we needed to go to his place and you know she was Orthodox sort of we couldn't throw on the holiday so it was very
difficult to Chester French to visit so I imagine your parents really didn't have the chance to belong to any like other Jewish organizations or anything right at that point no the community love a son is broken they come to a new country a new language a new culture a very strongly Catholic name neighborhoods and so they just tried their best to keep Jewishness as they understood it so what was your what were your high school years and then I get assume you went to college yes what were those years like high school was interesting because I have a friend that live in the neighborhood that
decided to go to a high school in the city not only in the city but in the really high-class area of the city so my high school was right there so we will i went by train I walked to the station in this suburb okay almost full sew-in when I got off in the Central Station I just walked again okay and those that neighborhood it was not anything like my neighborhood so and also the people the students were upper-class very yeah so you were in both worlds in college I went to college in Argentina in Buenos Aires in in say almost City College it's like
New York so I kept living at home but he went to college and ecology engineering is a six year degree so it's a professional degree so it's it like a master so somewhere around there I guess you met your wife yeah how did that happen all right well my wife already graduated she's 100 years older than I so she presented as a pharmacist and we belong to university scientist club okay and there's where it's short time we dated because most of the time we were friends you know mean to the same organization and as soon as we married we left as I said like went
to Ecuador and she came with me her mother and we we are there for a while and then I was my job and we decided to go back to Argentina where my first daughter was born and then the same company called me back and then we came to to the Dallas area and then as I said before we went to England we live two and a half years in England and then we lived there one not happy years in Sydney and then Dallas what's your wow that's quite a journey yes so how have you seen Dallas change through these analysts engines early I remember still
feel Chris Road being a two-lane road Spring Valley was 69 and everything was north of it was real I remember I tried to buy some land and it moves to a planner and my web this idea that that was moving out to the country has to be far away don't worry so how is the Dallas Jewish community to you when you first moved here because we didn't have family at that time I remember my mother Noah did not come with us I think when we came to us she came later on and my wife has a brother she spent time with her brother and as
she was a widow when she was only late thirties never remember so we needed to consider that when we were moving and she was the reason why we stayed in the area close to the Texas increment I have lived in in Richardson all the time then she came to stay with us and she kept family next door she was always trying to be independent although she needed somebody to be with because she didn't have it so what did you join any type of activities or organizations while you're here yes that's okay we try to join synagogue my choice farad was the first one that we
do one and we had children going to a key variety of our children with Activa which gave us a very strong community sense and then one of the daughters of sire of Sheriff Israel was going to the same class of my oldest daughter so we became members of sheriff Israel and we have been there also we had lady Marcus is from South Africa that leaf just one and a half blocks from our home and we became friends with them and then gradually we started to know South African communities so we are very close you have one foot in the yes South American community and one
foot in the south that's good so where are your children now when she is spending the summer in Florence in Italy in college Millison is lives in Dallas no Dallas he has three small children so we have two generations of grandchildren the ones that are in their 20s and the little ones which are going to be the oldest one is not to be years old and we have one daughter that lives in Seattle Tacoma area and she has one child is she in the Microsoft business or something no no she's a civil engineer that's good so when did when or have you retired and when
was that Oh exorcizamus was sold their division to Halliburton and for a while I was committing to Houston with it death will might work for two years and we never moved our house and we were working a system for the Monday to Friday and coming back and we had one child still in our house and after that the business workout for Halliburton so they sold entirely the division and I needed to find a job and took Mara mental protection agency in downtown Dallas and I work in that office for 23 years which I retired last year that's great that must have been quite a good
experience yes as I say I was cleaning up the mess the oil exploration if you can think of an example what are you most proud of in your life well they're family and something I didn't mention I started to lose genealogy about 25 years ago and by writing down names on are they talking to people mainly old ladies okay that that no one remember and interested in the family I got a little bit more of Simon I then decided to get more seniors about it and I was able to find out of my father he never talked about the family I guess because of the
shock of losing his close family but the brothers and sisters of his mother four of them came to America in the New York area and two of them had five children and I ended up uncovering that I had 55 second cousins living in America wow that's wonderful did you write it all down oh yeah very extensive did you know that she yes and I did after that I did the genealogy for my wife's family which is quite interesting because they were from the between Ian area which I wasn't familiar with yeah that's when your father's Wow so you have a big family you didn't know
that oh yes have you been in touch been able to talk to them publish a yearly letter so I get to inform and find out what they aren't well that's really something to be proud of doing all that work yes I know so my family we managed to so can you think of someone who perhaps would you would consider a role model in your life is there anybody or any anyone in particular I said to just think about something and just get going and there are almost certainly not Ramos from Argentina I the reason I left Argentina was because of a difficult political and economical
situation okay so there but my parents are really we are very resilient and that's something that I see lacking in the new generation they just tend to break down when things are not going their way my parents were able to just keep going if something goes bad just it's not the end of the world well you certainly have a lot to be proud of a lot of good things that have happened in your life but I do want to mention something which is not also known in the Jewish community in America and it's the importance of the work that the Baron Kirsch did said setting
up colonies agricultural colonies around the world because if she did that in Argentina and that's the reason why my grandfather went to Argentina with his family they they said in their who town and he was a foreigner and my mother went to a rural school not long ago I found out that he did the same in Canada in Saskatchewan Saskatchewan yes close to the border with the US and there is one in New Jersey yes very few people know about that he was a german french very rich Jewish man that saw a need especially during the 1890s of helping the Jews in the world at
that time a Zionist and was starting but it was a long time till Israel was going to be settled by by Jews so he tried to help him out and he had money and he set up organizations okay in Argentina was called the Jewish colossal Asia Coliseum initiation associations ACA and he was able to get many many Jews to live the pale of settlement that means Russia the convenient they were settled in a shanty and they would say stuff Wow that is fascinating I knew about him but I didn't know all the colonies I mean oh yes my still lives in one of the colonies
most of the Jews moved away from the colonies they went to Argentina I'm sorry to burn Osiris but my cousin's stay there in her children definitional I also have another cousin so I have a large family in Israel so can you sum up a little bit for us whether it was a good decision to come to Dallas yes yes definitely it was a good decision it was a big change I didn't see my residency at that time but it is a big change again we came from society which is much more family-oriented and not the way the US is it's more individualistic and we see
a big change there and we always wonder if maybe it has gone too far of the individual being basic of a society and not the family okay but no regrets I have a sister do you have family anywhere else that you know of besides the ones you found in in New York oh yes oh my mother said because were four five children that my grandfather get I have cousins and not only in Argentina but in Brazil do you ever get back there yes we celebrate in fact cousins daughter marries chemist that they came from Bolivia that's another thing that very few people in this space
understand is that before the World War Second World War there was a German in Bolivia German that has a pretty good connections with the government and he since also try to settle Jews the mainly from Germany because he was German and she tried to settle them and he may have saved most 12 to 15 thousand Jews during the theory of pre-war period and one of the children of these people that I'll consider survivor so we're not in concentration camps is one that went to Brazil no owner of a very very large company in Brazil everybody knows the company in Brazil that's been fantastic well on
hell is there anything else you'd like to add to this we haven't covered I am really happy to have come to Dallas and we are very involved now with the synagogue because I have more time and also with the Holocaust Museum JCC as well okay very good glad we have all that to offer you thank you for this very much okay