Anita Marcus
Anita Roman Marcus was born into a large and closely connected Dallas family. Her father came from Russia to Dallas in 1911, arriving with a five dollar gold piece and little English, and worked long hours in his uncle's business before joining his brother in the family baking business. Her mother came from Poland as a young child, and the two met and married in Dallas. Anita was one of four children, with an older brother Phil, a beautiful sister Ethel who died young at 32, and a younger brother Larry. The family lived first in South Dallas and moved to Oak Cliff when Anita was young, where her father became so respected that he won an award for outstanding community service and was known informally as the mayor of Oak Cliff.
Growing up in the fundamentalist, conservative environment of Oak Cliff, Anita attended Sunday school at Congregation Shearith Israel, to which her family remained closely aligned; her grandfather was a Talmudic scholar who led study discussions. She was often the only Jewish student at Sunset High School but recalled experiencing no overt anti-Semitism. She attended SMU and then graduated from the University of California at Berkeley in 1947 with a major in English. She married Charles Marcus, a World War Two veteran raised in rural Mississippi who came to Dallas to practice, and the couple were married for sixty years. They raised two children, Fraser, who lived many years in England, and Carolyn, who built a career in the food business and settled in Dallas.
Anita became a professional-caliber volunteer whose life work centered on advocacy through the National Council of Jewish Women, where she served as local section president, first Southern District president, a national board member, and public affairs chair for the state of Texas. She organized community forums such as Women on the Move, which brought together Jewish, Catholic, and African American women, and she led efforts to improve child care quality and to reform Texas juvenile justice. Over roughly a dozen years she helped create statewide coalitions, contributed to the founding of the Texas Juvenile Probation Commission, and worked to remove children from adult city jails. She also served the Jewish Family Service, the Jewish Community Center, the League of Women Voters, the Women's Council, and the City of Dallas Human Resources Commission, and taught English at Vickery Meadow. Motivated by her parents' belief that one must give back to the community, she took pride in a lifetime of work aimed at changing what was not right.
Married sixty years to Charles Marcus, Anita raised two children and remained a devoted matriarch of a large Dallas family that gathers regularly.
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Bookman Marcus who and I fall in Revere I'm the interviewer and the videographer his roots Andres and if this the date today is March the 15th 2012 and here is Anita Roman Marcus who is one of the real icons of Jewish women in Dallas so Amina would you begin by telling us something about your upbringing in Oak Cliff and the family that you came from brother start with a family my father came to Dallas in 1911 with a five dollar gold piece in his first no-english work 20 hours as uncle's business slept in the bar and then he became a is part of his own
business of baking business of which the family was in he and his older brother Junius Coleman who died young and he was one of eight children he brought them all over the story was I said how did you manage to save the money he says I spent 25 cents a week I went walk downtown and went to the Queen Theatre that's all I did so they came over that was 1911 it was the first time celebrating our 100th anniversary with a big event from where we they come my father came from Russia and my mother came is a much younger child from Poland I don't
know a whole lot about family history she really did it and they met in Dallas and Mary and I was a third of fourth children and we lived first in South Dallas but we moved to Oak Cliff at an early age and my mother was concerned that there was very well actually there were three or four Jewish families are although clear they explained Oak Cliff as it was then Dallas had about 300,000 people in it 100,000 lived across the Trinity no clear it was fundamentalist Baptist very conservative and some Jews had been here a long time think about father's system don't move there don't start
a business there you'll increase anti-semitism and within two years he'd won the award no Clifford outstanding community service and was unofficially the mayor of Oakland so everybody was wonderful I did all the sort of things you know you do in high school we had a we had moon roof some people that went together does anybody remember dr. Warren Oh dr. Warren T y WT washing well his son went to school with me we graduated together and we didn't speech tournaments together he was better he debated I did what was called explanation it was just a lot of fun I had several girlfriends that stay girlfriends with me for a long time now you know and our age I have one so it was an interesting neighborhood around the car was the press and the gas company around Mary Yale corner which they changed the name of I think it was a president of the electric company and with behind us I've mentioned I'm a good friend she was
the daughter of the District Attorney and we had about four judges it's a very huh it was an interesting lightly educate what about you were going to share this room yeah every Sunday you know we drove there oh my father drove us there and I went to sheriff this was Sunday student which I have to confess was not a great inspiration to me at the time it was not very well organized and it's more to be inured and enjoy so but anyhow there were nice people and we all tried hard and after confirmation I started gave up going to Sunday school but we say closely
aligned to sheriff Israel my grandfather was a Tom Lennox scholar and with the boys you know told him you retire and you gonna walk to show everyday and he led these groups and taught tolerated discussions and he was happy as a lark and my mother's family I'm good was she was a well next to the youngest of a family of seven the Goodman's and she was much younger than the others and her she and her brother max Goodman we're very close that's what she was Simon government Frances Goodman called his mother was and so he was a wonderful person to see we have a very
large extended family right and Oh mother was alive she used to entertain them all in any party she ever gave which was did that fairly consistently all during the year and said to tell you I was sorry I wasn't beautiful oh my baby Gus and I went to be a foreign correspondent after seeing a movie colorized my love and after SMU as I said I went to the University of California Berkeley where I graduated in 1947 if you can believe it I'm two majoring in English you mentioned in English right and then after yeah I didn't want some volunteer work well I was a youth
Red Cross office of civilian defense I went weekly to Parkland Hospital - yeah what was color the dieticians a bunch of stuff campfire girl I bought to the temple group what was her name rods and he married the reformed rabbi Houston terrific woman I know exactly who made Rochelle Khan is it Rochelle and Roger Rochelle because she was a good friend of my mother's oh really well that's a nice thing too about Dallas the community Jewish community was small enough that if you didn't know anyone you knew who they were and my father was so active in civic work and community work and he was
presently Oak Cliff Chamber of Commerce and of the congregation sheriff Israel and Lyndon Johnson he had correspondence and he was befriended with some of the people who work for him and lowly positions he never knew a stranger he just loved everyone a wonderful he wasn't really a marvelous man and my mother was patient and quiet and dedicated to her family and so after college you're back in Dallas no and you were volunteering Charles so man that common blind date his cousin Mary my cousins all this kind of stuff goes on you know his cousin was for Memphis read on Rubenstein in my cousin's Marvin rivers
see and we were introduced at lunch cuz I had to think that night I couldn't go out he was on his way to California and it was not instant gonna be a marriage until four years later but I had a great good time to tell you the truth I didn't do as much volunteer work then to be honest but when I worked on UJA things like that but then immediately after we married ten days the nineteen days of each other and thanks for a little different just should I stop talking no you're doing wonderfully so then let's see I've never had the opportunity nobody everyone
to listen to this book it's a wonderful opportunity so let's see so you're you got married no he's just going to tell actually he went to practice all in Chicago and then moved down to Texas but he had a lot of friends in Texas because he was a World War two veteran and the station came fanon in Texas and started all those battles in Africa and Italy and I mean thought invisi lieutenant become a captain I think he was and a saint alive during the worst job in France and then when he was wounded so badly the last time that that was the end of
his what has shown effects about what happened to it oh no next time oh no they were killed or what Charles had a lot of problems from that so anyhow he looks okay daddy some he came here to practice and you were married as far as a family and Fraser was born our oldest two years later and I was already involved in the council Jewish we've got some types of Jewish women and that's more or less with smile onto your life for a long time well you're one of the icons of our National Council of Jewish women that really as well as well yes thank
you but that was a while ago I was present in the local section well we'd like to hear about that I was the president of the first Southern District which is extinct and the National Board but the most fun thing I did was a public affairs chair for the state of Texas I was always interested in the advocacy and that's another thing well I was growing up with mother had people over for dinner or whatever I never sat was the women afterwards always did with the men because I thought they were a lot more interesting they talked about business and politics and the women didn't
talk about things like that and I was very much interested dad knew so many politicians it was so active in behind the scenes you might say oh that you saw asked her to run for City Council and refused to do it but he started naming people with the dead and you know in the legislature I wasn't remember he I've had autographs and messages for every governor up til Preston Smith by then he was in acting they just saw him and Senators they were very nice he was influential as what you're saying very well men shall win and he did a lot of things and he
was interested in people and good government and he had a heart she sounds like a remarkable person I wish I really was so it's my mother no one ever talks about the mothers just there in the background I'd like to explore more about this advocacy program that you mentioned yes that's always been the most interest to me and actually council which I'll refer they caught in cjw now so I'll be 9nc Jacob you really developed and organized that for me is study groups which I chair and the vice presidency and you up the ladder and those days are people started competing for things to do
and no longer the way volunteers took it their commitment is everybody is their job their profession and we all sit around the old-timers and say they don't ever do it any more than they're playing ten is there to be myth they go to every PTA meeting but they don't do anything for anybody elders children and we complain like old fogies but we didn't do that it was a different world tell us an example of the advocacy oh well I remember many Miller and I must have cared several of these community-wide forums which is why I was led to my not she didn't share that one
I did with who was that that you mentioned Betty Miller yeah the one who started by me on the way to what I did as professionally was Mark Fisher was my co-chair but way back we did a program called women on the move and we involved church women United the Catholic women and they organized groups of Negro Women as I recall man and Mary starts the groups and it was the first time they ever set the same tables in temple Emmanuel that's true really and and did you give people topics too oh yeah we were talking about unemployment as it affected women and consumer there
was no consumer education at that time mm-hmm we found we really organized a group of women who went throughout the city comparing prices and reporting and then in some of the retail stores and we learned a lot if you're poor they stepped on you so how did that came some project but the one that interested me the most and that I didn't work in childcare I didn't give my card for that I never looked for a warrants it was RKO from out of the blue I know and and I understand that it's difficult to talk about yourself that way but we would if you don't
mind we give us an idea of some of the awards that you felt let's see them the money means the most to me it was a hand she Solomon Lord from NC JW yes which I was an annual oh my recognition and and that is for serpents yeah oh yeah but a lot of start exploring return to service and then the CEO but else should I get tomorrow Lord what is a euw don't remember what they call it a lot of people don't know what that law reward is with me I didn't know where it came from changing anything only when there was one from
the childcare projects on that was silly Margaret comes organization done for young children and all the way I did was an accounts of cases we got to start a daycare center and so I looked at him I says we can't afford to start a daycare center if you go visit these places these people don't know what they're doing with the children they just sit there we need to improve the quality of care these children are getting and Madeleine Mandel and the likes Sonia and pepper are invaluable in that field cuz they brand model child care centers and so we I think we teamed up with
Eastfield college and Big Eight courses to the women then I got the department of whatever it was called that public services public welfare whatever it is they changed the name state agency to mandate they had to have to strengthen and it really it was wonderful custody improves their well they're uh but he said their view of themselves are self confidence and help some of them I think better to better lives and improve the quality and brought the attention to now that program gets funded or not funded depending on who was governor but I didn't think that was you know it was a council project and
that was a typical kind of counsel project when you the National mandate to start a daycare center was a little beyond volunteer brick that's a very involved and expensive proposition that's probably one of the best things about what you did is that you didn't always see that we had to do but people were very understanding but the one is you know the 70s it's up McCain well-filled for the next dozen years was juvenile justice after st. Carl flaxen because we got together in the media us as if you want to touch the juvenile justice you have to do it on state level because they all insisted welcome and everyone had a lot of confidence and Carl Flaxman judgment and he's convinced them I didn't know he was going to the estate so we began this statewide program with agencies and volunteers and youth groups you said Carl Flaxman convincement Executive Committee we do this I'm interested would you continue and so we had all these people there and we found out some of the things that were really awful like Runaways were treated like criminals
I mean you quit your job and leave in a way but you're in jail they treat what they call status offenders like criminals which they weren't they were running away from abuse mostly anyhow we put down what would you like to do afterwards and almost every month of conferences we want to have a coalition then they all at home so I went to all the different men who had an agency system would you chair this oh no we don't have time you do it and this was pretty consistent and I had the vaguest idea how to start state by coalition but it had so much
good help if you say that he helped it first after that they still had their mandate they pulled out but Benny Miller individually say she was president attack and you know vote in the home before I had the whole state organized and I was traveling and we took Runaways and children and adult gels is our main issues and you know we won't work with some legislature tours in the Senate and course with the agencies and we had some very confluent shal members on both political parties who were very helpful and I must tell you we changed the laws we found a new agency not by
ourselves they could have done it without us and then we started on juvenile probation and trying to get these children out I have no lockup and what made me mad I'm very angry I should say is that I heard the story of this orphan it was sent to his foster home and he hits the foster parents and they locked him up in the adults in detail along with experienced criminals and drunks and drug addicts and I said Oh King was thinking of a 16 year old hulking kid he was 7 years 7 years old Montgomery County Texas and you know I'm so angry me as
you would if you'd never heard this story before and the country was a different country then now there's so much violence is so much killing I think people would shrug their shoulders but then people were really concerned in the seventies so that became my next issue that luckily the head of the federal agency - office of Juvenile Justice and delinquency prevention was a man named Aaron Schwartz who had been to Dallas and been owner and program and he had a mandate that if you don't take the children out of city jails to separate them from about you in juvenile detention facilities you will lose your
funding so we had meanwhile helped create the Texas Juvenile Probation Commission there was none before you want to be a probation officer you ain't good carry then character you return taking garbage up you were information alpha with no qualifications whatsoever so they began to have standard citizen you know run a good good agency any having two of us travel the state and office and more than the pounds that you ever want to hear and eventually all the children that were in adult city jails were removed we had other issues but that's more or less Charlie remarkable and and you and Betty mostly didn't know Betty
Betty was on the board I said she didn't do the advocacy but she is a wonderful support and administrator it's a little bit travel with you know my semi-professional said honestly I say once or twice the president came with me but not that's it and we had different presidents we were very lucky with that he really were a professional volunteer I mean you know this is the other thing it was very hard and it has worn me out to the bone because I had a understaffed and underfunded week on grants enough to keep going but it's just draining and meanwhile your family was growing up
well they're already grown by then I started this when Caroline went off to college so I had no empty nest syndrome because I hardly yeah after 12 years I was just worn out and just it's a word for that burnout I think were you able to hand that off well I wouldn't leave until I found someone who could do it and she had been a director of agencies she came and she kept it going for about six more years but and Shaggy she wasn't able to get the volunteers and also these people who were funding it wanted her to do professional workshops mainly and that
was not what we did some of them money or less try it out we did accomplish some things done but then different administrations came in and things I'd like to see the volunteer world be like or turn into I mean here you are years as being far more than an ordinary volunteer which is we need certainly but you really took it to a very high degree of professionalism what would you like to see now well I wish I could see people who were believed and consistently volunteered and something they find rewarding and then they do it consistently and I would beat that work and to
see it to the fun hand or to ensure a commitment of some length and duration I think you don't see that so much anymore people are have busy lives uh young women have careers there they don't have domestic help there may be more involved with their little children and I think that's the way it is so it might be that we might have to think of shorter programs charters projects of duration that don't demand as much time and take cognizance of their lifestyle now you know you've touched on a lot of subjects there I wonder whether we could I did some Jewish I love volunteer
stuff I didn't have that in there was vice-president Jewish Family Service and Oh served on them but first like a serious community center when we used to meet in that little pool room there was no center and something called a vocational service that which I was on but that merged as it should have was Jewish Family Service well I wasn't always a life member sheriff physical sisterhood and I'm very fond of Women Voters I've been a member for over 15 years maybe 55 and Women's Council it's a good advocacy group in their community service I still like them are you doing any work now any
volunteer work meant after retired I went on the City Commission you know city of Dallas Human Resources and I did four years volunteering at Vickery meadow when it first started teaching English to Vickery meadow again is a Learning Center for help mostly women but women and men who went to learn English and then take their skills even further because now they go for citizenship and computer skills and everything but I taught the first year first year the first year people who first time they came yes it was a joy the morning yeah I should have gone on water but I was getting somebody like a
massage no no no you don't really need I mean you've worked more for the city and the community let me say that most people have it and what I really don't do very much I do a spa thing for a committee you know I'm still an honorary board of NSE JW and make some of the meetings or anything you're not on it I'm so happy one of my cousins is going to be president next year she's married to a cousin and I think you've heard the expression of the dorm adore and things that I was present during the eighth anniversary she will be present during
the hundredth anniversary of innocence is so exciting who was that her name is it's okay we'll come back Robin Robin is the daughter not an Komen's wide officer she's married to it is that it that is very exciting Robins wife very excited I would like to go back to some of the things that you can remember about early Dallas I am intrigued because you really spent most of your life you know cliff and well we moved to North Dallas but my growing up here is your rock my interviewer also I know that you had different experience I know you know people I've heard of these
talk about anti-semitism there was no her over anti-semitism I never experienced any in my entire life even though you were the only Jew at sunset I never looked up your brother's since your siblings weren't they at sunset yeah I feel graduated from fill enough I went to forest high school and I started there but I was so dirty you know cliff and my mother we totaled big story we told my I lived it at cousin in its house and so I went and bread trucks too far aside when the bar came on were worried that it it did seem nonsense so they told me I
had to transfer which I did let me ask you something you mentioned that your father was originally in banking Turner Reiki thank you baking baking bread something else and cliff Mayweather very gomez and chefs only almond label yes they're always breaking yeah I can still remember the trucks coming around too so there was no overt anti-semitism which we knew we were not gonna be in the Junior League then we knew we could join the Dallas Country Club but there were stories that they had told but I think we're very interesting the Dallas Athletic Club did not take Jews at one time you don't remember the
dial setting so it had a big structure downtown Dallas with hotel and I was married there and ballrooms and swimming pools etc athletic equipment and 20:29 they had a little financial setback hmm as did the rest of the country and they called my father in listen would you like to join if you bring in for five people and we know every your friends we will be glad glad for that you can have a free membership so there anything else that you can remember Anita that you want to tell us about the was there any difference between let's say Charles was from where did you were
all Mississippi River roll Mississippi there was no particular customs that he brought in that uh yeah I learned to eat black-eyed peas the cornbread and I took me years to get convinced him we had to lock the doors he always left the garages on open which we never went into our kitchen or front door unlocked and he found he did learn if there is crime in this world you know actually being Jewish in rural Mississippi was very interesting he's telling about that son in the have somebody else he was grew it was raised in Rome mrs. something and there's some very interesting story Marcel but he grew up in Java sound but we're talking about you man and we often hear in favelas Oh what happened let's see we want roads streetcars when I was a child we went to the movie for ten cents and you can buy a milky way for a nickel and let me start okay good let's say at the movies theater - in fact sometimes when I was a teenager we used to go downtown I meet my friend Rosa we might have lunch it's a DAC and then we'd go to two movies you know different power storage a
stick or whatever it was fine and it would be a great movie fan I still love movies and II that you have such a large family tell us about some of your family reunions and how they're really remarkable my youngest cousin well next to the others hands wide guess all the cousins together every month for a luncheon and then we have periodic dinners and then when in the hundredth anniversary Kenny welcomed the arrival of the original patriarch of the family it wasn't our generation or the older judgment well we are the older generation but with my son and Lois ride her son he was decided
that they would plant and they called in people from all the families it's a very big family we don't see each other we don't know all of each other and most of them live in Dallas but not all of them but they came once they're out of town okay and I miss little customs that I didn't know existed it was wonderful about 170 people showed up well that's like running a small convention for him and it was just wonderful it really was and um I found it very hard Laurie and each family wrote a history one page history and sense of pictures and they were
in a book which was published I'm not remarkable cousin Julie Melinda is a genius with this sort of thing but all the people that her generations my daughter all worked to some degree in it you know dad a bassist was my niece Turner what that means no publicity and they came from Michigan and Oklahoma City in New York you should but the rest of them all lived in Dallas what a legacy for everything wonderful and your father's legacy very muchly lips on sorry you do it does for my cousins and their parents because they were all you know very good people everyone hmm let's take
a break now and sleep with her okay I needed tell us about your siblings tell us about your family I noticed some wonderful photographs in your hall would you so give us an idea of what they're almost certainly be done to this one is the only photograph we have of my mother's parents and so typical of that day when nobody smiles very impressive well well this is a photograph of my mother's engagement pictures the age of sixty-two family at her marriage as she was 17 but this was her engage in the picture very beautiful she was a beautiful she really was and I said saying
so you said very quiet she was a woman who was dedicated to home and family and she did some things for a congregation sheriff Israel when she was I asked and she and I are tremendously women who worked in the community she just thought you didn't that time I wouldn't know how and she really didn't matter women him PA did you think do you think that she knew what a dynamo she was marrying at that age how old was that you said she was quite a bit younger my father can you say very very lovely lovely the story is my father saw her in it
dancer wedding I think it was and he said to his friend that's a girl I'm gonna marry and mother said he had to court her for she wasn't interested in and they were married little over 35 years she died young she sighs she died on my birthday he was buried on her birthday aged 53 but they had a very good marriage and we always wanted I said of four children my older brother Phil who never married was the maverick of the family and the most funny you get my town too yeah he worked with my father he also had an art gallery and photography was
his interest he loved to travel and he adored the children and their family is like having two fathers every one of the my children and my Larry's children feel that about him he was wonderful to all of them and their children in his later life he lived with you with me almost twenty thirty years old banal and frankly we all got along right and I think that's because Charles grew up in a house where the grandmother was widowed and so his father had to assume the responsibility for the family and there were three unmarried sisters and his mother and they three young men in a
time brother Africa and they all lived together and mrs. Sennett in the same house the two of the sisters died rather young one was a teacher and got something that people don't die of like scarlet fever and the brother went off to be a lawyer I mean he was a lawyer for guys three mr. Sidney practiced in Chicago and another sister stayed with a family until she died in fact she said she lived longer than her brother and sister-in-law my mother-in-law took care of her until she died which is sort of mark of a woman and then she moved here so we had Harry for a number of years here in Dallas we did that I mean it was done a lot more in those days and it is no yeah we thoroughly enjoyed Phil he kept urging me to go to Brazil we got he was stationed there during the war and he went back on a cruise watts and he
just loved about America now my sister Ethel was just beautiful she was just the most wonderful gentle kind a wonderful woman you know there are people with this perfect oval face and auburn hair she system I thought gorgeous not bad at all never vain and she went to the University of Texas and major dramatic she was very good we used to go down for her curtains left plays and then she came back to tell us there was no job in that and this very soon she married a man from Tulsa Mars fell and had two little girls and she died she was just turned 32
oh and the little girls I promised her they came down every summer I spent the summer with us until we're at high school good happens that's that's so much too early for somebody else and then they still suffer from it but there I keep them they're all here for the reunion and the one from Oklahoma City we see often and we talk at least once a week most without us more that's remarkable I'm very sweet of you I know it wasn't and then that's three of you and then coming to brother Larry adores baby in the family he's five years younger than I used to
try to introduce him as my older brother but I finally had to stop to me Larry was my first age I heard about the camera there mother took pictures my mother took pictures and he brought me the world's largest carnation course I rest on my elbow mustard it must have been gone you must be going to a dance oh yes absolutely he was asked to take me it was not that he asked me but he's wonderful - well we see Larry always now tell us about your children he was in Charles's children well Charles and I will have been married 60 years in October and
he's remarkable for another guy who's got a mystical problem is he says I'm calling the old warrior he just won't give in to anything so he just keeps going and we have two children Fraser who lived 23 years in England and moved back to Dallas with his wife he has a son by two older older son guy that's why it was a sophomore Carnegie now Mellon Austin who also spent a great deal of time here younger because his father lived in England and he came here for it you know this is sold for long visits in summer here and during all the Jewish holidays so
his father would oh well actually your father's your Chavez he went to London he flew back and forth by himself in a very young age it's very interesting the word that Frazier's upbringing was very strongly Jewish so he's very so able to keep that up and it's Joe Frazier was I involved World Congress when it was going to be an international something president but he left in that a head of a synagogue do you other thing he knew every rabbi in London and he really was I always amazed by my two children I read Hebrew very haltingly and if I can remember well don't read
it anymore but Carolyn and David kendama like professionals they're both wonderful and they're both very committed Carolyn is your daughter Carolyn is my daughter and she grew up in Dallas and guys away from Denver University Fraser went to Dartmouth College which is a New Hampshire and Carolyn went to the University of Denver where she graduated Hotel and Restaurant Management what she did for about three years so she figured out there was no lies working weekends and nights and that says why don't you got the date but suddenly work with a lot of guys and her answer was a slob won't tell you they all good
night girls and numbers so she figured it out and she came home and we have very nice trip she and I went to Israel into Italy and then she went to work for my brother who needed somebody he retired from the bread business it was in but what you call hotel or some selling restaurants meeting and other things something was a broker it's so stocked up restaurants so she won't like the food business and that missus clothes Larry ran it for a while gratis after bill died and it became really apparent that it should be closed so they did honorably I should say too at
that hard and Carolyn immediately went to work for another food company and then came the downturn and she was instant insurance but she likely just taken it off with another food company because she loved the food business she was brought up wonderful and she has a son she has a son who is 15 years old named Sam red curly hair who promised she's getting a haircut tomorrow we went to fossil rim Wildlife Refuge his past week and I told him the sheep were gonna grab him and make him one of them he says there's no red haired Street gonna attempt this way he goes to
junior high next year he'll go to either Richard Center so you are the matriarch of a yeah good-sized thing yeah I will tell you there was a lot of Merit to working professionally people know you can't get away to run the carpool take them to the whatever entertain northern grocery whatever big babysit take a boat trip with you what gives you a lot of excuses yeah but it's nice though I'd rather be with him without absolutely fond of my family and and they have obviously enjoyed being in Dallas it's a good City don't you think it certainly has a lot of faults you know it's
not exactly your ideal weather the whole about there being what Alaska knots to color their well yes but just think of the days in the spring and the fall so you know and the winter oh that's true so so can you think of anything else that we should know that you'd want people to be able to look at this tape and think about your a basic philosophy of life you're living a good life you have lived a good life you are still what what do you would tributed - I don't know I think you're exaggerating but thank you it just was an obligation my father
always felt and my mother strongly agree with him that if you take from a community you give back and so he was active in both Jewish it was pressing the synagogue other things he raised money for the Methodist Hospital in the principal whatever and it did she wish they website he did books and mother was very proud of that so it was a motivation and I just like to be able to change things that weren't right and mostly that is what motivated me I get angry and injustice so now I don't do much about it except get angry but it doesn't make you get involved
if you think you can change things or make it better and you obviously have instead so certainly since yes I'm proud of what happened what we do you know joy and effort there were organizations as diverse as afl-cio and Junior League and council Jewish women and church women United and all sorts of agencies and individuals well I would say that you have a history to be very proud of and I thank you so much for letting us come you've been just wonderful may I thank you both for being so patient and delighted Schumann listen oh thank you