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and 1941 Dallas Texas let's go back what do you remember when you were just a little girl well when I was little we we lived in South Dallas um on Parker Street and um I don't remember a whole lot there except there was an allen and back then there was deep segregation and the black people lived in the alley their houses were in the alley and uh when we um I think I was let's see maybe seven or eight we moved to University Park because at that point the Jewish people were moving to Park Cities and then then eventually they moved to Preston holla and
Plano and Frisco and all those good places and um I was surprised that the alley didn't have have black people living in it um Although our family was very very very um uh liberal and we uh didn't believe in this segregation but um it was a fact at that time what did you do for fun as a little girl well um I don't remember a whole lot of of in South Dallas I do um I do remember one thing that wasn't fun when I had my tonsils out and um we went to St Paul Hospital which was on Swiss Avenue then I believe and of
course they didn't have the operating rooms they have now so there were big tall Windows to let in the sunlight and um I guess they used ether to put you to sleep and my dad was in there with me and they put this mask on my face and he said look at the bunny and that was it I remember that and then I remember to times were so so different in the' 40s when my um younger brother was born he was born at Florence Nightingale Hospital which is was part of Baylor is part of Baylor now and my dad went to see my mother and
he left me in the lobby by myself with a bag of candy corn I've always loved candy corn ever since and today my God you wouldn't even leave a child to walk across the room but back then you could how old were you when the tonsils came out oh I must have been uh four okay and then how old were you when you guys moved up north and I was about seven okay and I do remember we used to um play outside a lot we ride our bikes we flew kites we uh laid out on the grass in the summer and watched the stars and
caught fireflies things the kids don't get to do today now were you the oldest of the three kids okay okay so you had two younger brothers yeah okay what did your dad do for a living my dad was a grocer he worked um he managed a grocery store for my uncle who um had grocery stores in um um South Dallas in oakcliff mhm and what about your grandparents do you remember them at all I do uh well my mother's father died when I was a little girl he had a stroke and he um was young he was 65 I believe his wife my grandmother my
maternal grandmother Fanny Einhorn lived with us she lived with us part of the time and with my aunt so I shared a bedroom with her um and she snored terribly just us to irritate me and now I understand cuz we all do as we get older um my um father's parents uh Sarah and Archie Goodman well let me go back my grandfather had a grocery store in South Dallas and it was in the front of the house and it seems like our family was always related to food somehow uh my father's parents um Sarah and Archie Goodman came over and Bubby Sarah was born in
Dallas and in St Louis and then moved to Dallas as a young child sad Archie came over on the boat through Galveston and I think that was during the time of the Galveston project where they were routing the Jews through galvaston instead of New York and he came with his um younger sister Francis and his brother um I believe it was his brother Simon and Simon Goodman is the one who uh started Goodman produce and um uh Francis was married to Jake Gman who um was a baker so we were all in food uh zad Archie had a truck and he um put fruit on
it and he would go down on Swiss Avenue I have a beautiful picture of him standing by this truck and sell produce to the to the people there uh my grandmother was ashamed of that picture but I have it hanging in my hall now why did it bother her because I think she was a bit of a reverse snub oh where where did your grandparents come from when you say they came through gston where where did they come from originally he came from Russia through Germany um my mother's parents came from Russia my grandfather was from Lithuania my grandmother was from um Russia Odessa and
she came with her mother two women she was 15 years old I mean what strength that shows and they came down to um Constantinople which is now Istanbul and the story is they were shopping in a um uh clothing store or a store some kind of store and they met um my aunt Lillian who was my grandfather's sister and she introduced them and he came on the boat with them and they wanted to get married but my grandmother said no you're too young you're only 15 you can get married when you're 16 so they married over here what year was this you you know they
came I believe in 1905 okay all of them around 056 I have um my father's um father's boat ticket and I think it was 1905 did they ever talk about what that trip was like no the only thing they told me baby Fanny would say everybody was sick but her everybody was seasick and throwing up and she was not and then she was proud of it yeah now when you were born you were born right before Pearl Harbor did World War II affect your family at all well it's interesting I only had one Uncle who went to fight there was such an effort for that
war that every one pulled together and they didn't care they had their food stamps or whatever their ration books and they lived with it they didn't complain they didn't badmouth the country um so I guess my family made it through somehow they the sadness in my life is they talked about it very little I had one Uncle who would say the sugar was rationed and you could only put one teaspoon of sugar in your coffee and you had to stir like hell High School where'd you go to High School Highland Park High School and what was high school life like for you well it was
interesting um I I didn't um I felt part of it I was on the school newspaper the interesting part is I guess time is the leveler because the girls in my class 55 years later we get together for lunch and and I'm much closer to them now than I was then um I was young but I was dating the man I was to marry and he was in college and I guess I was apart from it somehow in that um I think it's there was still a little anti-Semitism around um they used to say the reason none of the Jewish kids got in the Honor
Society was because the Latin teacher was the sponsor and she was anti-semitic um and and and it could be true but I I didn't find any overt any semitism and I enjoyed High School I probably was the only person who did After High School now was it on to college or did you go to work I went to SMU for one year and then I married and we went down to College Station and I worked and um um essentially put him through his last two years of school okay and this was Fred yes and that marriage lasted 28 years right but you started a business
together we did um we bought an existing air conditioning company and we named it kind air conditioning and heating and now we have a DBA con Mechanical Contractors and it feels very good to be in business for 40 years well tell me about being a a a female business owner what was it like for you we have a a minority status because we do a lot of government work and we've had for many years but I have never felt like a woman in business I just was trying to make my way I was president of the Dallas air conditioning contractors twice in 1985 and again
in 2005 so um I never I never let myself feel less because I was a woman it was just hard being in the air conditioning business have you been involved with the Jewish Community I have um somewhat I was active I belong to every organization and when my kids were in Sunday School um I I actually taught a Jewish Cooking Class at Temple Emanuel and we made uh matab balls and we made uh um hamash and with the little kids I had a lot more patience in than I do now and um I was uh active in hadasa uh and of course all my friends
and I go and do with them but now mostly I I am support supportive in a financial way I guess you get older sometimes it's too much um I do Drive Meals on Wheels that's not a Jewish organization but it's a good one tell me about some of your philanthropic work no that came from my mother my mother didn't um have a lot materially but what she had she would give I learned to be giving from her giving and loving and um I have a um some set up with the Greater Dallas Jewish foundation and um oh I've been active and uh very active for
time in Dallas Hebrew free loan I was President for a couple of years and um I'm very supportive of them I have set up a um an ongoing Endowment for Hebrew free loan your marriage to Fred ended after 28 years and then you're married now to uh Denny yes you guys have a huge extended family you know between the two of you everybody get along they do happiest time in your life happiest um I think probably now I feel very at peace I feel like um I've accomplished most of the things I wanted to and um I'm free to travel and go where I want
do what I want and um I feel very blessed what was your favorite music when you were a kid oh Elis PR what else what do you think about the music today the kids listen to it I I don't hear well enough to understand it and all sounds the same and it sounds awful to me you miss all us huh yes now in your lifetime you've lived through so many momentous occasions President Kennedy assassination here in Dallas the moonlanding in 1969 something good of course the whole Vietnam era tragedy of 9/11 was there something that came along that you knew exactly where you were were
when it happened and it affected you well probably all of those things um when President Kennedy was assassinated we lived in Connecticut and um Fred was in New York on business and everybody there knew we were from Texas and they used to tease us about bragging a bit too much you know Texas braggards and all of that and I was um my daughter was a baby she was crawling around on the floor the vacuum cleaner was out my hair was in rollers I was cleaning the apartment and there was a knock at the door and I went to the door and it was a young
man who was a neighbor he was a real estate agent and he stood there and he said well what do you think of your city now and I said what are you talking about and he had been in the grocery store when this happened and we sat all afternoon with the hair and the rollers and everything and watched and I I was able to tell him I said either that shot came from the school Book Depository or the post office which was across the plaza and we watched and we watched and watched until Fred came home it was just um a tragedy and it was
sad to live up there at that time because Connecticut is so close to Massachusetts and people were very very bitter about it now what was Fred doing for work in Connecticut he worked for his father at that time uh they Guardian power cleaning they clean duct work in buildings and he was actually looking at some work at the Empire State Building and in fact I in the basement of the infire State Building before I ever went to the top of it and I remember uh 69 when they landed on the moon because we had just bought our home and we were sitting in the living
room just glued to the television it was so exciting what brought you back to Texas well um at that time uh Fred was a graduate mechanical engineer and in um about 69 was when he decided to leave guardian and he went to work for York selling uh large equipment and in 74 the economy got so poor that uh they wanted to transfer him to Pennsylvania or to Boston and he asked to go to Dallas they sent us to Dallas 10 months later they wanted to send us away again and that's when uh we uh went into the air conditioning business how how was that was
it a very scary time to try to start a business then well looking back it was a little stupid to go in the air conditioning business in October yeah yeah but we did and um at that time we did do Residential work and the funny thing is um my cousin's husband Melvin arol owned brand engineering at the time and Fred went to seek his advice and Melvin said don't do it and we thought he didn't want competition but I want to tell you it was almost 30 years before we were able to give them any competition yeah yeah now where did you meet Denny uh
he worked for us and he actually came to work for the company um when we started Al so you've known him a long time I've known him 40 years yeah yeah well thanks for doing this today well it was wonderful and it was fun and I thank you for doing it