Arie Marancenbaum
Arie Marancenbaum was born in Santa Cruz, Bolivia, into a family with deep Jewish roots. His father's side traced back to a scholarly rabbinic family in Poland; his paternal grandfather, an electrician, fled Poland around World War II, paying a great sum for a passport, and eventually reached Bolivia by way of Brazil. His mother's family came from Yugoslavia and Croatia, and her lineage reportedly reached back to Marrano Jews of Spain. Growing up, Arie belonged to youth groups, attended Jewish camps, and learned Hebrew beginning around age ten, in part from an Israeli couple working in Bolivia. Although his community had no full-time synagogue or cantor, members took turns officiating, and he learned to sing and chant, celebrating a memorable bar mitzvah attended by his grandfather.
At about eighteen, Arie moved to Dallas to attend Southern Methodist University, encouraged by his father because the family already had relatives here, including his grandfather's sister and her husband, who had come for his bar mitzvah. Having just returned from six months in Israel and travels in Europe, he settled in with the support of local families, especially the Kasanovs of Tyler, whose home became like a second family to him. He attended Temple Emanu-El with them and experienced Jewish life in a new setting. His parents and brother later immigrated to Dallas, roughly four to eight years after he arrived, as political and economic troubles mounted in Bolivia.
Arie studied medicine for six years in Guadalajara, Mexico, then completed an internship, social service year, and surgical residency in Bolivia during a difficult financial period. After his family relocated to the United States, he repeated his training here, completing residencies in family medicine and additional work in obstetrics, delivering babies and assisting with surgeries near Houston. He later moved to Dallas, working in wound care using skin grafts and hyperbaric oxygen before becoming an emergency room physician in 2012, a role he loves for the chance to help people in difficult moments. Father to six children, twice divorced and newly remarried in 2019 to a woman from Longview, Texas, he continues to keep Jewish traditions alive and takes pride in his heritage.
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my name is mae siebel it is march 8 2020 and i'm interviewing ari marinson baum for the one story at a time project viva shalom celebrating latin american jews in dallas good morning ari i'm so happy you are with us today were you born here or were you born in bolivia i was born in bolivia okay santa cruz in santa cruz okay and uh how were you when your family moved here um pretty much i moved here for college i was about 18 years old okay and um what influenced you to come to college here in the states well my grandfather's sister had moved here
after world war ii so we had family here in dallas and i had a few scholarships and a couple other places and my dad said i don't know well i had a presidential scholar here as me as what else where they say this is a good school you know we have family there so why don't you go to dallas so that's how we decided to come in tell me about your life growing up in so uh growing up uh there weren't very many jews there were about 500 families at the most i think at one point and it was a pretty close community uh we
got together for shabbat we had a we didn't even have a synagogue we had a we had a house that we would go to somebody had donated their house for services later on i think we had a like a jewish community center that uh uh we call it so like israeli community uh and so that was uh that was kind of nice because we would go there and you know do different activities and learn about judaism and we would also have interaction with other states in bolivia like the capital and you know we had some friends over there with the jews in the community over
there um and uh so it would do some camps and you know like jewish camps over there so it was it was nice to uh to uh interact with other people were there like youth groups yeah we had some we had different groups uh uh they were the uh i think it was below eight and then you had like from eight to twelve and then there was another group from like twelve to like six seventeen so that where those were kind of the main groups that you would belong to and you had different activities depending on you know it was pouring i mean we'd all
dress up and uh it was it was fun i mean just uh well we would have like a like a little show a little play that we would do and you know we would get together for different people's houses for like pesach and different festivities rosh hashanah young people we had a rabbi that would come from argentina to do the high holidays and that was pretty much pretty much it the we didn't really have a hasan per se for every shabbat but we would have every now and then so we would have to learn how to do everything so we basically have to uh uh
officiate and you know have the service and we would do everything ourselves so i was doing the singing and chatting so it's kind of neat and then pretty much for my for my bar mitzvah i learned hebrew and i was about i guess 10 years old when i started and we were lucky because there was an israeli couple that was working in the oil field and so they were doing some other agricultural stuff with bolivia or some kind of exchange and i think they still have that same program uh where they come and they have engineers that come from israel and you know do do
some kind of uh projects with them in development of seeds and different different things agriculture mainly and so uh we were good friends with him and he said hey can you teach us hebrews they would be teaching us hebrew and you know after school and one of the eldad and he was one of my best buddies and so he would come over the house all the time and so um we had some some interaction there you know and learned some of the things that you know they would do you know as far as just different games or you know that uh that uh they had
in israel at that time where gag i learned god of course so you had a full jewish life even though there weren't there wasn't a synagogue and you didn't have a full-time rabbi yes in a wonderful jewish life it was it was very good yes we uh we had also kind of some influence my uh my uh grandfather's his sister uh he married saul pringler they would they came to former bar mitzvah at that time and he was a pretty big influence as well i think when i came to smu i had a lot of interaction with him and you know every shabbat he would
take me to shark tequila and we would move the dog in there and we would he would teach me everything that he could and that was that was very nice but but i think we were always pulled to tradition and and we were always wondering you know where we came from and that was important to us at least too many many of the jewish community there and it was pretty close and mid group so um how did your family end up in going back you know going back um well my grandfather as this story goes this is from this is actually from saul from what
i heard from him my grandfather was an electrician and he he at first he didn't want to go into the army so he said well if i have to go then i'll have to go so i guess he ended up going into the army and uh there were uh where was he he was he was in poland yeah and so uh he was in a little town called lotions and apparently at that time he i guess saw things that were coming and he was good friends with somebody in the uh it was i think an ambassador there from bolivia or somebody in that area and
uh he said he had to pay like uh the price of like maybe a house to get a passport and uh he you know since he was electrician he had money and he you know not a lot of money i guess but he'd been saving so i guess all of his savings went to that and he just said hey i'm getting out of here and that's how he i guess he knew somebody and i think he even had like a you know some kind of permit or something that would let him in the country and so i think he landed in brazil first and then
you know met some people there but but he was he was very resourceful i think very very smart amazing person very calm and he didn't speak english he didn't speak he barely spoke spanish and his spanish was like you know like so funny to him when i would hear him speak he's like you know why's he speaks so funny you know i tell my dad and his spanish was like you know so that's why i remember because i think i was 13 14 and he passed away when i was 14. was he married he was married so your grandmother came with him yes no he was no he wasn't married he married he married when uh he married when he was i think in route to bolivia um somewhere in either met her there in bolivia i'm not too sure about the story but i know her family is like maybe from brazil and maybe portugal i'm not too sure we haven't really i haven't really investigated that part of the family yet but we don't know too much about her but yeah i mean he he was uh he would trade uh at first i think he was in
the trading business and so he would do anything to trade and then he started the textile business and uh he was very successful with that um then he uh started doing like materials for construction and stuff and so but he would i remember he would he would go to brazil or argentina and uh his yiddish was like that that's that's it that's what he spoke he spoke super great edition he spoke hebrew uh to the point where uh i was surprised i mean my uh i i it was my bar mitzvah and he came over and and he was he was asked to agree at
the torah and so he said okay yeah i'll go up there so he went up there you know he probably hadn't read the torah in i don't know 20 years he went up there and just went at it and i was like oh my god you know and i was next you know the next afternoon i was like i was like wow he's pretty good you know i felt i felt really really proud and then he told us he says you you are you are levy and he says you don't know where you know you don't know where we come from he said but um
but we were all rabbis back in the day there's a there was a big street uh in in lawsuits that was your grandfather they called them the great new they new to the great so everybody would come for him for questions and um a very scholar family so pretty interesting was this your father's this is my father's okay and what about your mother my mom's my mom's dad they came from yugoslavia from croatia so uh don't know too much about them either i know they came i think maybe during the first world war and that's how they came to bolivia and then my mom on
her side there were they were marana jews so they were from spain so yeah her last name is icy is ortiz so every everything that ends i think in ic it has to it goes back to to that era of the uh the separating juice over there so i'm not too sure of that uh also that lineage haven't really investigated much there so pretty uh pretty interesting but i know uh i'd like to go probably to poland one of these days they found out we have a my grandfather has a house out there that is still under his name and uh apparently they you know
he still owns this piece of land um i have also my uncles from bolivia they've through the uh polish embassy they've they've actually become polish with my grandfather's birth certificate and so they've already there's many of them that are actually polish and they have a dual citizenship now and they uh they're planning a trip uh soon and hopefully we can we can join them maybe uh and we can all go and see i've told my dad one day you know when we're there we're obviously gonna also see maybe croatia and i hear it's beautiful out there too so it'd be nice i like to surf
so uh i know there's a couple places in croatia so i'm excited so you still have family in bolivia yes yes we still have uh we still have a bunch of uncles and some uncles that are there pretty much my my dad's side of the family he had five brothers from the first marriage my dad my grandfather married three times second there she had a sister there and then he's got two younger brothers and younger sisters so there's total nine of them yeah and then on my mom's side there's there's also i think eight or nine she's got eight brothers and sisters so she's kind
of like in the middle but they're all they're all still there nobody's actually moved the only ones that i've moved i have a i have a couple of cousins that are in argentina a couple of cousins in brazil and then i have one cousin that lives here in the u.s he actually went to medical school with me in mexico in guadalajara and he ended up in new mexico and he's he's over there he's an overdue so it sounds like you had a very free life in bolivia no anti-semitism you know to a degree uh yes i think we were we were blessed that we were
around educated people you know but still i think in the i was in the french private school first and then i felt some there you know saying stuff is like oh he's jewish you know or you you know they killed jesus you know something like that so but i would i would hear stuff like that we we really didn't have any uh you know santa cruz is a very interesting city it's it's almost like new york it's a it's a mixture of many different uh ethnicities many different countries came there i don't know why i mean i guess it must be the there was a
lot of industry there you know people were very friendly uh very open and so i think that helped kind of mold the people that were there to a more of a tolerant society and just very interesting people that were i mean my classmates and friends and all that you know they come from different places austria you know spain portugal i mean they were just from different places so um it was it was just interesting to to grow up there and the only thing i remember that was i submitted was the the jewish community center in la paz in the capitol they they had a bomb
over there i think that that went off and so that was kind of scary at times and uh i think i heard more uh anti-semitism uh you know in uh probably in mexico when i was there where they were kidnapping people and uh that was kind of kind of scary my sister lives in mexico she said she's in guadalajara she she started to be a dentist there and then she uh she stayed there she loved mexico and she said this is where i want to be this is where i want to raise my family and she found this mexican jews they're from actually russian cuban
jews so they came from russia then they they established in cuba and they came to mexico so um pretty interesting also i got to live in mexico i was in medical school there for six years and it was a very nice community as well there and so they would be very inviting and um you know if you didn't if you didn't know anybody you know you get like kind of a host family and we can also do the same in bolivia because we had we had a lot of people that were visiting or um and so we we had a you know we had we
had a people for shabbat that would come to our house and so that was also nice you know that you know my mom said uh she's like i don't know where to find them for for shabbat for you know you're always supposed to invite somebody for shabbat and thoughts we were supposed to have a guest so um that's kind of what i grew up with in that mentality of always welcoming people and it was just it's just nice too so when you came to dallas and smu was i understand that you had you know friends with the family with the princess um did you have
any problems settling in here you know not really i had i had just traveled to israel i was just i was there for six months my sister actually stayed there she was at the human university for i think two years or a year two years something like that but i basically uh had just come back from israel i had been in europe and you know so i was like hey you know this is this is great and i was having a good time uh in fact i met a great family here the the kasanovs they are they're from east texas from tyler and the first
day i was at smu i was wearing my hebrew university shirt you know i just got back so i go into my english rhetoric class and she looks at me she's like man what are you doing here this is a method in school and this is your first day in class and you're wearing your youtube i was like well i said i just picked something i said i was just in israel and you know that was that dorky giant yeah yeah so dj was like oh my gosh like you're coming for shabbat for me on friday so i was like okay great you know so
she became she basically became my mom here in dallas when i was here and my parents were not here yet obviously they moved later on i think four or five years after um i had already probably later maybe eight years later than i had finished the college and so they were my family here you know with the preglers and uh but they would invite me to shabbat you know her husband's a cardiologist so he also had a he passed away already arnold but he was also a big influence on on me and becoming a doctor and it was just just really nice to have that
that support and you know any holidays and and we would i would go they would go to temple manual and so i would go to tampered michael with them and so that was a different experience as well so i kind of moved in and went to different uh synagogues per se um and it was it was nice to uh nice to know that they even came to my uh to my apartments my my brother's bar mitzvah i think was uh was and then they oh my god they had a blast they were in bolivia and uh it was just so much fun they they uh
i took them to the capitol and we we went uh you know i took them to the [Music] the lake titicaca uh and we toured around there it was just we had a lot of fun we had a we had a big farm and they went down to the farm with us and it was it was uh very neat to have them and you know in my uh my arena in my country they were experiencing you know different things and um it was just very neat so you finished med school in mexico and then you came here for internships yeah basically um around after i
finished medical school bolivia was in a very bad situation politically and there were a lot of tension going on at that time and um my dad had a he had a big empire of you know things that he did he was he was pretty smart guy too he kind of continued the lineage with uh that my grandfather had left them with the materials for construction so he had a big company but uh he had uh you know trucks that he would rent or that he would you know manage and uh he was in all that but the construction kind of started uh having some problems
there they the government was getting involved my mom's brother my uncle was the prime minister defense minister at that time and so on my mom's side of the family they're all they're all uh lawyers my dad's out of the family they're all either doctors or engineers so uh the uh the lawyer side of the family they were like you know this is bad you know if uh you know the situation is getting it's getting worse so some people started to to move from bolivia and uh and that was that was a little bit later on but uh my parents decided to move to the states
uh my dad did some investments and so the economy tanked at that time and he lost a lot of money so i basically uh almost couldn't finish medical school i was kind of trapped there and i didn't have any money and so i barely even finished medical school and so i said well i probably have to go back and i i had support back home and i said well i had i said i'm gonna have to go back to the hospital back there and do my internship there i did my internship i did my there's a social service year that i have to do and
i also had to do a uh i started my residency there as well so i did both of those at the same time so i did about three years of surgery there general surgery and that was the only way that i could support myself here cause you know staying with family back home and the hospital they you know they wouldn't charge me uh much that i'd have to pay the university and i had i had raised some money helping some of the other doctors there and just working kind of freelancing and just just helping out there until i had that money to play the university
to be able to finish because you still have to pay even though it was your internship uh like in bulletin in here in the states they start paying you in bolivia they pay very little and in mexico you actually have to pay to to to actually finish your your training so um it was it's a little bit different than here in the states so that was that was a rather difficult time and then my parents decided to move to the u.s so when they were moving here you know i kind of kind of helped them get settled before i uh before i moved back so
i kind of did a greater transition my brother was still going to going to school he was uh he was going to first have community college at uh richland and then he transitioned to ut ut dallas so he still also had to kind of have some adjustments and you know my parents had to have to go through that whole move and you know explain my mom you know she she didn't speak english very well my dad you know he kind of kind of you know was was okay but um my mom was it was hard for her you know whole family there sure it was
it was tough so you're practicing here now yes uh so i um after i finished my training um and i had to kind of do it all kind of all over again because you know whatever you do in other countries is not you know it's not per se recognize so i did another residency did a residency in family medicine and i did a residency also and i did a kind of an extra year of ob obstetrics and i was delivering babies there at the hospital and i was also part of the c-sections at the adoptable as well since i had some surgical background but i
was i was one of the faculty after i finished in at methodist in houston i was over there in a little small town called baytown which was nice was right right next to the to the beach if you want to call the beach um you know but uh then i after i finished uh after i finished that i um i had gotten um married and i had i was expecting my job and so i decided to move to dallas my parents were here so i needed some help but the only way that it was kind of difficult to find a job here in dallas which
is kind of a different market than and use them and just graduated so you know i needed some more experience so the only thing that was available was a wound care opportunity and also doing an emergency room so i took the wound care opportunity i did that for about three years i really liked that it was great it was very surgical oriented and a lot of advances going on there with uh different skin grafts and different things that we could that we could use hyperbaric oxygen you know to learn how to do that and how to put people in the you know those tools in
this chambers for oxygen to heal people and heal their wounds and that was that was really good and then i kind of i wanted to buy a house and so i was saving money so on the weekends i would work and i would i would work er and so that kind of took over and i started liking er more than more than wound care and then that that after three years i decided i was like okay well i think this is what i want to do i started doing er this was in 2012. so it's been eight years i've been an emergency room doctor it's been a very good experience i really like it i love helping people and difficult situations and you know adults kids i mean it doesn't matter but it's just a way to give back to the and just be useful wonderful tell me about your family your wife and your kids okay so i uh i've been through a couple of hardships my uh i've been i've been divorced twice uh my uh first things why she kind of didn't like the u.s and go back my second ex-wife she uh we kind of parted ways we have four kids with her so i have six children total uh two that are living living in bolivia and south america and i have a daughter she's 18 and i have a son he's 16.
and then i have four kids here there my oldest is about to be mark mitzvah so we're kind of trying to see what you know i'm getting to brush up on his hebrew and learn as much as he can before that um and i just got married back in october and congratulations thank you i met this wonderful wonderful lady from a girl from she's from longview texas from east texas and we uh we're actually having a jewish ceremony coming up this month on the 21st but we already got married back in in so uh we've been together about you know six months or so and
things were wonderful she's got two kids so i have two more kids i have a uh eight-year-old daughter now and a four-year-old five-year-old he just turned five that must be a happy hectic house so yeah so we uh we have uh our uh uh our schedules are kind of um mixed because we have all the kids pretty much uh about two three days uh every other week and they're all together and so it's a it's very uh never a dull moment so it's very uh it's it's a lot of fun so we try to keep uh keep all the jewish traditions and with me my
wife is uh currently in the process of uh converting and uh so that's that's uh it's it's it's a wonderful time right now that's great is there anything else you'd like to add um i think it's it's very uh it's it's very interesting to see the developments that jewish communities have in different places and it was it was very interesting to to come from a different country and and to but see pretty much the same traditions or same values uh you know that are trying to be passed on from generation to generation so um i think i was fortunate to be in a uh you
know such a great jewish as i was in bolivia they placed a lot of importance to family and and and israel and uh kind of giving back to the community and it's uh it's it's it was just a great experience for me and you know i feel proud to be jewish it's i think your heritage tells you who you are and and what you need to do so thank you for the opportunity well thank you very much appreciate it