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today is tuesday december 16th i'm joan brement and i'm here with lenitra cousin and we are very happy to be interviewing you airport and it is part of the rooster boost project of the dallas jewish historical society so tell us about your life in south africa about when your family came originally where they came from whatever you know about it and what can you share about their lives and early years in south well unlike most of the south africans my mom's parents were both born in london and we come actually from tunisia to portugal to brussels to holland and eventually to london leaving portugal during
the inquisition i really don't know much on my grandfather's side except my grandfather was also born in london and this is my granny and grandpa and on my dad both his parents were born in london and my father was born in london and he came to south africa when he was like 18 months old consequently actually by naturalization i can be a british citizen as well because my father was born in london um grandpa on on mommy's side uh came to south africa when they found gold because you know he was born in 1886 and he was the kind of person that sat on the
fence until he decided who he wanted to align himself with i i remember so distinctly always going for like friday night dinner and all the young tavern to mommy's parents um miriam and barney phoebe um my mother tells me my mother had two brothers and of course i knew uncle harry well and auntie helen and my cousins pauline and esther and mommy tells me the story that during the second world war there was a bell that used to ring on granny's gate and there was a one person who would come and tell you if your son had been killed or what have you and mommy
said they heard the bell ringing and she went on to the balcony and she saw the soldier coming up and mommy said her hair turned snow white overnight this was her baby and he was killed in the second world war fighting against rommel in the desert in um in north africa north africa yes and as a matter of fact he's buried in what was then abyssinia which is now ethiopia in el alamein i think this was where they were fighting so actually never seen and i'm very sorry i don't have a picture of him because i do have a picture of him such a handsome
guy and i'm so sorry that i don't you know i never got to meet him my grandparents on my father's side as i said were both born in london my granny rose died before i was born so i don't know anything about her and grandpa julius was i he just was never around so i know nothing about him either and he died when i was like 10 or something like that so really i was always with my granny and grandpa on my you know on my parents side it's so funny and you'll forgive me everybody but i have to drink while i'm talking whenever we
would go on vacation we were so close and it's such a sadness that we all got spread out all over the world but we'd always go to granny and grandpa first and granny couldn't speak any afrikaans she was a cockney she'd say her lungs it was the only thing meaning keep to the left for those of you who don't know that we drive on the left hand side of the road in south africa i used to go every saturday morning sorry for those who are religious to my granny and grandpa and my granny loved to hear me play the piano from the time i was
six i played the piano and i would sit in the morning and she would sit there and whatever i played was just perfect you know and then we'd have lunch oh first of all we'd have breakfast pickled hearing on toast which probably sounds awful to some people but i loved it and then i'd play the piano and we'd have lunch and then we get on the tram and go to the piccadilly and see a movie i remember one time don't ask me how it happened i got off the tram and granny was on the tram and i'm running off to the tram saying my granny
is on the tram my friend is on the tram waiting for the next stop you know and she got off but we were very we were actually very close to to granny bonnie and miriam levy grandpa was really the patriarch of the family and for some reason he didn't encourage closeness between mommy and uncle harry so we never had a close relationship with our cousins which is so sad because now pauline lives in holland in adam and astor lives in cape town and i love them they're wonderful people but grandpa had a way of causing problems what can i tell you anything else you want
to add about your own life growing up in south africa your schooling what was particularly memorable well the one thing i do remember is that um mommy wanted to enroll me in school at fairmount and i wasn't turning five until november the 10th and they wouldn't take me so i went to orange grove primary school so think about it we started what on the third of january or something because we started at the beginning of the year and i had just turned five five just turned five and i went into first grade so i was one year at orange grove i was then went to
fairmount uh grade two standard one through standard four then mommy and daddy built a house in um waverly and stanford and five were not happy years because they then tell us a little more about your parents what your father did for example well um my grandfather owned a business called perm optics on the corner of jp and gold in downtown johannesburg and the one side of the business was wholesale hairdressing supplies they used to make these big vets of shampoo and hair conditioner and then they would import in you know combs and cutting scissors and what have you and the salesman would go out and
they would sell to the actual salons my uncle harry my my mother's brother was on the optical side he was an optician and so you know he ran that size outside of the business the very unfortunate uh factor in this business because grandpa owned the building as my father went in with my grandfather and everybody adored my father absolutely adored him but the problem was that grandpa was going to be in the stone age the rest of his life when people went to electric typewriters grandpa still had those old-fashioned typewriters i don't know how we tapped on them you really needed a lot of strength
in your hand you know with the carbon paper and the what have you when when when the watch appoint when the electric typewriters went to the golf ball what did they used to call them remember select exactly yeah grandpa stayed with everything so he never went with the times and he never you know went to computers or what have you consequently when he passed away um my cousin astor who went to take over the business he was so far in the dark ages that it was really impossible to pull himself out of it and it was sold for next to nothing which was really a
shame because those two businesses had supported two households for all the time growing up mommy actually also used to work in the you know on on her occasions and and then they sold the building again i think you have to be lucky to sell at the right time because they sold at the wrong time but so at the wrong time i can't even begin to tell you but then again it's a crapshoot it could have been way less and it could have been way more so so who who was to know and um like i said mommy had a lot to do with with running
the business as well um my dad was just i mean everybody asked for him they didn't want to speak to anybody can i speak to mr harris and you know as sweet and kind and wonderful and loving my father was i mean my father never laid a hand on us that that wasn't in the picture nobody laid a hand on you you know mommy tried on occasion and my brother ducked and did i tell you i have a brother in the united states my brother sydney said chan as i call him house of china lives in irvine california he actually followed me to dallas and
i'm sorry he hated it here so and and he he met somebody first they moved to seattle and this is talking about luck they bought a house in seattle he's always done computers whatever he does with computers they bought a house in seattle gorgeous house when you sat in like the little breakfast note and you looked out you could see horses on the trail and when he sold i think they were there maybe a year or two he made like five times as much because seattle was booming and then they went to california now because he had made all this money uh he was able
to buy into something nice in california although i still have no idea how they lived there with the taxes and he is a semi-professional mountain biker and i mean he's he's amazing he's got two sons my one son is his one son aaron is a genius he's a senior at usc the university of southern california i think he has like a 4.56 gpa and he's doing a double major mechanical engineering and computer science and there's nothing you can ask aaron that he doesn't know