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what Barbara how are things today everything is wonderful good how are you okay this is a oral history of Barbara Rose conducted by mace evil for the Dallas Jewish Historical Society on Monday November the 16th 2015 this is a video recording of Barbara Rose conducted by mace Siebel on Monday November 16 2015 for the Dallas Jewish Historical Society good afternoon Barbara how are you everything's great thank you very much good thank you so much for doing this for us we're interested in knowing about your background so start as far back as you can with your grandparents or great-grandparents tell us where they were from what
their kind of businesses they were in okay I don't know what type of business but I do my great-grandmother who I did know my grandfather's mother lived in San Antonio I do not know her name we just knew her as Manny and we used to go over there every Sunday afternoon or something and play at the house my grandmother I think is from East Orange New Jersey and she had two sisters Michael my mother has had two sisters also we were all they were born and raised in San Antonio I was born in San Antonio my grandfather had a some type of store where I
guess they sold a lot to the Mexicans as my understanding I don't really remember because it's been a few years ago how long did you live in San Antonio I lived in San Antonio I think until I was about five and then we moved at some point we moved to Arkansas I guess for here so I do not remember if that's before after I know that I started school in amarela so therefore I was not five-six at the beginning so I had to go to a private first grade if anybody remembers the way that used to be what was your dad doing that caused you
to move quite a bit well I believe he was with different companies as I said I was so young at that point we moved to Oklahoma City when I was in the second grade and then he had a or worked for a department store he did work for a department store I know in San Antonio I believe he worked for Frost brothers but we were in Oklahoma he bought a store and in it so he would go back and forth between Oklahoma City and ain't it and then we moved to Eaton when I was in the sixth grade and he had a store there named
herzberg's and then he would commit once a week I believe somewhere in Muskogee I think where he was doing some work then but his family he was born as I understand in Oklahoma City and his father was killed in Paris Texas apparently they were in the demolition business and there was a huge fire and they were I guess tearing down the buildings or whatever and that's what he died I never knew him and never knew my grandmother either so your connection to your more distant past was through your mother's family yes I mean I have cousins and so forth on daddy's side but there were
more Kaufman's in San Antonio so since you moved a lot and you were in small towns after leaving San Antonio tell me something about your Jewish burning well in Oklahoma City it certainly was a Jewish upbringing I have a cousin who is three days older than I am and we went to school together when I moved to Enid when I was in the sixth grade I would commute to Oklahoma City I didn't have to go every weekend like everybody else did I didn't have to tell us often to religious school religious school but I didn't have to go to services as often either but we
were the first confirmation class in the new temple in Oklahoma City what was the name of that temple Temple B'nai Israel and it was very interesting because we were all girls and you could hear us clumping down the concrete floor as we walked in and we all had white I guess it was Bibles or prayer books I don't remember which which I thought my aunt had something to do with that she thought that we should have white but so I was confirmed we were confirmed at that point I think we were 15 I think it's gotten to 16 now so you commuted whenever you could
your folks took you into Oklahoma City right or a friend of my cousin's hand yeah mm-hmm okay and then following that how did you continue your Jewish connections in a town like Enid well there was a nice Jewish boy who I said mother do I have to go out with him and she said no you just need to be nice to him because he was not one that I would prefer to go out with but we would go to services or the High Holidays and we would go occasionally but not a whole lot I just knew that I was Jewish and I would be it
that way and where did you after high school where did you go to college I went for one year to the University of Colorado and then I transferred the University of Texas and my mother was so funny because I brought home bagels or something she had no idea what a bagel was she had never seen one and never had one so I found that to be very interesting of course they were moving around quite a bit at that point so I guess she'd never really gotten into you know the things that I was going into but when I was at college of course all the
Jewish girls were go could hardly like to go out with non-jewish boys and it was hilarious so I finally said to mother I said if I'm going to go out I'm gonna have to take some boys that are not Jewish and she looked at me and said Barbara what he even dating of your life which is true but I somehow knew I wouldn't marry a Jewish man which I did so were you involved in a sorority I was arrested I yes I was an 85 and which was I needed it when my boys went down there they did not need it but I needed it
because I didn't know anybody you know I was going into a totally strange atmosphere and you never the sorority in Texas was huge at Colorado it was not it was very small but one interesting thing at Colorado they had something called ice water teas and everybody visited every other sorority and so my 9 to his friends in Oklahoma had written recommendations for me which of course was not going to be done but the people that got them would contact 85 and tell them that they had hurt which I thought was very very interesting so and what did you study UT I majored in mathematics and
then I became a computer programmer tell us about your your work as a computer programmer well I worked for American petrol fina which at that point had something called Pig error it was just whatever but it was very end and I was working with the bosses so I couldn't be really friendly with a lot of the girls at that point here we're doing the cards the cards that would feed into the computer this goes back a very long time ago and most people probably are not even aware of that council tell us a little bit about that well it's for the information to go into
the computer they had to type these cards which were about this big and all the little holes and it was what it was reading into the computer so it was really very interesting and I had told my husband by that time I said one of these days all the accounting firms are going to need programmers and he thought I was nuts and I said well if you're coming in to do an audit and my boss says show every credit card charge except every fifth one that is under $20 or something we could do that and you wouldn't even know it because it would just be
running free so all the credit cards were done on these individual cards that went through this was before we were actually feeding the cards in that way it was before long before Apple computers and long before all of that because by the time my oldest son was in grade school the teacher said something to me and I said what is this it was an Apple computer and I had never seen one I mean we didn't do any typing at that point but it's been a very interesting experience with the computers and I still enjoy it how did you meet your husband I was in Dallas
I was living with an aunt that who lived here until school began then I get my other two roommates and a cousin of a cousin of her son whatever invited me there was a Python Pie convention here in town and he said Oh you know you need to come that's it okay and the interesting was thing was a friend of mine from Texas had gone out with Bill one night she told me how nice it was she also told me that she was getting engaged the next night which means that she you know that wasn't the deal so I went out with Bill and it
just kind of went on from there so tell me a little bit about pack up I I really don't know I don't know that much about it I guess it was just some sort of a immense fraternity type thing it's graduate because he did not finish joining the fraternity in college so it was just I guess a group of some type maybe it's a national I don't know what the basis of it was or is how long did you continue working for petra venom I worked for about a year year and a half and then I did some work for one of my bosses who
was working somewhere else by that time and how have you continued using your computer skills well I was helping at school on the Apple which was very interesting because we were feeding data in with a tape machine and everything had to be perfect so that it could understand it but I have continued the kids got head computers and I now use a computer quite a bit I do a lot of database work in reservations and all sorts of interesting things on the computer most of which I've taught myself because I really have not been back to school except for a short time that I was
at a I be am learning how to use what would now be called a mainframe tell me about your organizational work in Dallas well when I moved to Dallas I asked a good friend of mine made what I should join and she said I should join National Council of Jewish women and Temple emanu-el sisterhood and I both I was working and didn't have time really to do anything but I paid my dues and did that and when the time came but I could do some work I would do some stuff a sisterhood I would do some stuff within cjw and I've done volunteer work for
Jewish Family Service I've done stuff for historical society and I've helped another a number of agencies as much as I can if they if they want me what is your hobby or hobbies well my biggest hobby is knitting and I love to do that and I'm taking cruises now with a group that it's with a particular company the fellow that takes them owns the company and it goes from various niche shops but we travel here and there and it's been this because I've met people from all over the country and a woman from Canada is a very good friend of mine so all of that
makes things very interesting I love to travel we didn't do a lot we didn't do as much as we wanted to because bill was an apt and it was very hard for him to get around but I also love to play bridge when I get the opportunity how have you seen or what are the changes that you have seen in the Dallas Jewish community you've been here a long time yes I have and some things don't change I mean sisterhood I still see the same people there that I saw 30 years ago 40 years ago and sometimes it's hard to get people to change to
want to do more I remember at one point they asked me to be on a committee and they said okay we're gonna have we need to get more young members we need to decide what we need to do to get the members and I said excuse me if you want to find out how to get young members you don't decide what to do you go ask them oh we never thought about that so the powers that be keep wanting to be the powers to be National Council of Jewish women changes more were they since they don't have a basis any place because sisterhood works through
temple with temple and so forth NC JW works with national but it's very interesting what they do and they go out in the community and hopefully they get projects and stuff worth going and maybe eventually they'll be taken over by a different entity or by a whole different group which is the whole point of having these projects to help other people so it's always an interesting thing in our really believe that volunteer is largely social because that's how you get to meet people oh I forgot about the bug Lau Pope I worked for it for a long time and the daleks Jewish the Dallas Furniture
Bank I'm still working there also anything else you would like to add no I really can't you know think of anything it's it's been interesting it still is interesting but well thank you very very much thank you appreciate it you