Becky Topletz
Becky Topletz was born in Russia, likely in the 1870s, into a family touched early by hardship. Her mother suffered from tuberculosis and traveled seeking a cure, and Becky's father emigrated to America to earn money to help her, settling in business in Bonham, Texas. After her mother died when Becky was about nine, she was raised by her grandmother in Bialystok alongside a boy a few months her senior, who later learned diamond cutting and settled among relatives in New York's Maiden Lane. At fifteen Becky came to America, first staying with an aunt before her father sent for her to join him in Texas. She spoke Russian, German, Polish, and Yiddish before learning English.
Becky married at seventeen in Bonham and, with her husband, moved several times, living in Sherman and then Garrison, Texas, where they ran a general department store carrying everything from dry goods to coffins. In 1906 she traveled to Europe with her three young children so her husband could visit his aging father. The family later moved to Dallas so the children could attend Sunday school, since there were no Jewish families where they had been living. They bought their first house on Canton Street, across from the Sangers, later lived on Forest Avenue for about thirty-five years, and after her husband's death around 1956 she eventually settled in a small house of her own. Her husband ran shoe stores and later dealt in real estate and mortgage lending.
A lifelong member of her synagogue, Becky attended Shul faithfully on Friday nights, brought there by her devoted daughters, and was proud to be its oldest member. She loved to travel and had journeyed across the United States, Europe, Turkey, Egypt, and the Orient with her husband. She was a generous giver, contributing to Golden Acres and other causes, remembering Israel in her will, and helping relatives and refugees resettle after the Holocaust, in which many of her extended family perished. She raised six children, three sons and three daughters, and delighted in a large Dallas family numbering some eighty-five. She recalled early Dallas when there were only about three hundred automobiles and shared vivid stories of her husband's venture into the Oklahoma Indian Territory land payments.
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In that key room. Yes, yes, yes. He had his 100th birthday. Yes, yes. And he goes to work every day. Yes, and let's see, I was here 100. He was 100 years old. Yes, I read about him too. What? Uh-huh. So, it's just... People are living longer nowadays. Well, they're living longer, but of course it's fine between, you know, it's not for many of them that they live longer. No. I said, of course, the people leaving younger, I mean longer, but they, some of them are. They're not in good health. No. As you are. No. Well, anyway, that's, uh. Will you go to Shul tomorrow night?
Yes. This is Thursday, the 3rd of August. Yes, it's Thursday. And tomorrow will be Friday, so you go to Shul? Yes, I tell you. I go, my daughter comes, they gets me, and I have dinner there with her. and then she takes me to Shul and then she brings me home. And that's why really I got there for dinner, because otherwise I don't eat much and I don't want to bother them with anything extra. But then she's taken me to Shul. Of course my other daughter, the oldest daughter of mine, she lives not very far from here. here and uh oh mr miss uh rabino leaves on uh they were not far this way around about seven blocks from here yeah and so anyway she uh she come and get me and bring me back and i enjoy being and i'll tell you i enjoy being the people to see so many people you know and i meet people You like to see that children.
We get to see the other ones, see? Because I really don't go. They're all common only to go and go and go with them. And my daughter, oh how good she... Well I traveled so much when I was younger with my husband. We traveled, I think most of it all over the United States. We traveled, we went to Europe. We traveled as far as Turkey, Egypt and all those places. We've been all over, well, all over the world. I love to travel. I said, your children don't go out traveling. Oh, I wish I would. Well, I think you, and you remember Mrs. Alex Sanger, of course.
Oh, sure, sure. They love to travel a great deal. Yes I am Can I answer There was someone to answer the phone No I can answer the phone Maybe I have to go down there Keep speaking All right You know when you travel I used to when I take it by someplace my husband would say well, aren't you going to buy a thing here? In New York, you know, in all different places, we went through everywhere. Well, you have beautiful things here now. I love your ceramics and your beautiful ornaments. gorgeous things and all this furniture and gorgeous everything else but i i knew i couldn't use it i just left them well what did you give it to your grandchildren and your well my grandchildren much most of my children of course they didn't need it they've got their homes and they travel as well as i'm traveling now that's right i wish i could go along with them one of them just come back from japan you know wasn't that your your honeymoon you took with the can that's right you remember that that's a long time ago laurence and i went to the orient for our honeymoon
i think and you're about the fresh people that never went to the organs you know at that time people didn't go there that's right well it was during the war and there wasn't a problem to go you know it wasn't safe because the country you know wasn't too good before i know that but that was in 1935 well i would say i was in new york in 1906 then i went to 1927 and then i went to i don't remember what time i did go to leicester anyway we've been i've traveled pretty well and and I had my time but I loved the troubles I
was able to but I told the children they worried me to go along I said my place is home I said if I go out to Europe and get sick and stay to them I said if I go to Europe and get sick in a hospital you all have to come and get me so I'll just hinder you you just live on your memory and you can talk to them when they come back about the places that you went I just come back from Japan and this one is my grandson, my great-grandson is now, he's still in college, you know, he's about 20 years old.
And he went to Europe him and another friend so he won be alone And they bought those stickers that you can travel without you know the trains on there Those Europass uh Yeah. And he's been, he writes letters, he's been all over Europe already. And he's been there already about two or three months and he's just coming home till, well, maybe September. See, you influenced them to love to travel because you love travel. take after me they're all off to travel my grandmother just come back she went to oh where did she go she went to spain and from there they went wherever they wanted to go you know which one was that that was my grandmother miss goodman you know he's got a television shop on northwest highway yeah you know pat pat yeah i went to study school yeah you know sure i grew up with her oh her tell her who you were I was a chestnut but and we lived on on Park Road and my parents came when my daddy came in 1914 but Pat's aunt and
my cousin are married oh I see so hey hey and Joyce you know Joyce living oh yes all right she's married to my cousin Sam Carson oh that's true well what do you know they went to Oklahoma not long ago for the fourth of July are you there no I had to go to Houston I was with the rest of the family in Houston yeah we just come back from uh I think she I don't know she went to California and she went all over everywhere since she just just got back you know a week a few weeks ago uh you know uh mrs florence
grace florence don't you yes and did you know her mother yes the and did you belong to the uh ladies benevolent society no Not at the temple. I didn't take to any of the... do anything about the temple because I was the longest in the show. Mm-hmm. Shelf Easter. But did they have any organization that the show? No, not too long. The organization, I belong to most of it are... At the show? Yes at the show Mm Show I belong to the nation and I contribute to everything I made it The Brick Your husband was acting as a Benet Brick Well that fly you know that same fly I tried to get him over there for a couple of days Well, maybe we can knock him down.
I'll get after him, maybe I can knock him down. Well, I just wasn't lucky to get him, I tried my best for a couple of days already. I'll get him, I'll chase him around here. Did you first move on Canton Street when you came? How did you happen to come to Dallas? How did you decide to come to Dallas? Well, we wanted a Sunday school for the children. We were at the Sunday school, you see. I lived in a place where there was no Jewish people, see. And the children were getting up in time, in age where they should need some religion. So I moved to Dallas for that reason, for the children's race.
and when you came here did you live on canton was that the first house that you lived in where did you live first that's the first house we bought right across from the alexander uh-huh you know they're all men and um where how long did you live in that house when you lived on about 35 years you know i bought it from dr friedman uh-huh he was that lunchman yeah he came from the same place where we came but my husband came from Europe and we were good friends and he decided there were only two people and you know his son got killed and you
know there's two people so we decided there's too much house for them and i was looking for a house and you know and i finally decided i liked that house better of course it's child i tried to bought it somewhere else i could have sold it but i haven't sold it i ended up through a business to call people you know they were having a shop there so i don't know whether it's still there or not really but you mean the one on forest avenue so from canton the house on canton that you lived in you moved to forest avenue and about when did you
move to forest avenue i don't remember i just really don't remember but i know i moved to the forest and i really don't remember but i know i lived there but and when did you, it's still standing by the way, the house is still there. Yes, it's still there. And about when did you move from Forest Avenue? Oh, I moved when my husband passed away and I couldn't stay in that big house for myself. And that's been about 16 years ago. So that would be... In 1956, 57? In 1956. And from there you moved? From there on I moved to, I don't know what you call it, the pink ball, you know, I think.
Yeah, on Northwest Highway. I moved into one of the apartments there. But you know, I never in my life lived in an apartment. Yeah. And it just looked like the walls were squilling me in. And I just, you don't know it, you're a neighbor. And I just couldn't stay there. I paid for a year and I moved out in ten months. And when I moved, all the children were so angry because they didn't want me to go in their house. Well, you know, my grandson used to leave here on this street here. And he was a pretty good neighbor for me. And I saw this little house and it was waiting and I liked it.
I said, well, that's a little house and I don't want a big round. Anyway, I want a little ground. And so I bought this place and oh, the children just care. They don't like everything because I, people call up at the office, want to make the arrangement and oh, you're in the wrong place. We don't know anything about it. And then my son, he's a lawyer, but he's got so much property now, so he says, well, you'll fix up his place to shoot me. And of course, he was the model, you know. And so I've got everything model, I've got air conditioning, I've got an electric kitchen, and I've got everything that I wanted to have.
But you have, I'm just looking at all your beautiful traditional furniture. Oh, you don't see nothing. And your beautiful, beautiful art objects. You have such beautiful things. I don't see anything because I give away pieces like, I give it to the Golden Hakers, I give it to the Lions, I give it bigger pieces like that to all the children. I just, when I went to Europe, I used to go wild and just seeing beautiful things because, I don't know, I guess we're accustomed to the diamonds in Jobry, you know, and it's in the blood. But we want you to remember our Dallas Jewish Archives now when you are giving things away.
Yes. Because this is going to be something that will be kept forever And we could even have something that was a memorial to your husband or a memorial to you which were the things that you had collected yeah and they we trying do you know that even though they're having the 100th anniversary of Temple Emanuel this year they have no records no complete records of all the old families they have let people throw away or dissipate their beautiful things that could have been kept together as a history of dallas and a history of the families and none of them now we're trying to get them together
and collect them up again so just keep them in mind you know when you think what would i do with it yeah remember that there is something that you can do with it because we are we are called the dallas jewish archives yeah and that's for dallas jewish history that's right it would be nice to have a history of that temple as far as that goes well and of all the community of dallas the whole dallas community i remember the temple they had another street used to go there for when they had somebody uh um voice yeah voice somebody singing you know something like speaking
i used to go there of their slaves and things like that. They had all these nice affairs there. Well not just the temple you know, the whole Dallas, Mr. E.M. Cannes started his business 100 years ago. The shrine was started here 100 years ago and there are many members, Dallas Jewish men who were members of the shrine and who were members of the group. When we came here, there were about 300 automobiles in the city. 300. And that's when Dr. Bolin was leaving across the street from us. Dr. Bolin? Bolin, yes. Was he the pediatrician? Was he a pediatrician? No. Or a regular doctor? Medical doctor.
Now his son is a doctor. Oh, there's a sign. Yeah, I get it. So, I believe I had a cross street there. Of course he had a little mobile, a small little mobile, but he still kept his horses. And he had this carriage there but he used the horses And I remember I just remember like today is it 300 His car was 300 in Dallas And now how many, well they got a million years or something. I remember, if I would know I would remember it anyhow. Yeah. So anyway, Dallas was just a little, a little come to town to what it is now, you know.
So it's nice to remember the memories, you know. It is, and we should have some record of it. When you're here, you can tell us about it. But everybody won't know that. you know but it's the pacific you should be i would just tell the children the other day the pacific was just like an alley with railroad tracks you know and the and the big depot was way in south dallas way down there in well in deep ellum you know where deep ellum is but that's where the main the union depot was there i don't know whether you're you well i wasn't here to know i didn't remember that but i know em cannon company was down there yes uh-huh yes they were they were here in business where they were down near the union down the tp
the terminal there where that ended well i don't remember where they used to be i see i don't remember everything but i don't remember where they used to be but i was he stanger brothers was down there and em can were there and the terminal of the texas pacific railroad the tracks we had with they only recently took those up when the times Harold yeah yeah but they're building down there well anyway it was just like an outlet before you know but they finally a beautiful street made out of it because where was your husband's business he was in the shoe business shoe stores and
I did he when did he start that when he came to Dallas what did he do when he first came to the house he had a regular general department store in Garrison. It was a small town but we had everything. Everything a person needed for life and death. So when they moved up here he bought out some shift store here in Dallas. And that's what he was in the business. And then what happened Well after he gave our business he was dealing in real estate Real estate He got a lot of real estate here now So, of course, everything was so much cheaper than it is now.
How did he happen to go into real estate? How did he happen to give up the store? Well, I'll tell you, when he was in the shoe business, he used to loan money out for mortgages on homes. homes see and that's what I mean that line of business see when you give up the shoe business that room in that line of business yeah so that's it oh I tell you it's like they love the reminisce all your children went to school here yes um would you did you know English before you came to the United States how to speak English no no I didn't know how to speak English I could speak Russian German and Polish and Eish well now I want to know well about Russian I can I can speak a few words I don't remember I remember but I can't speak very well Polish I remember too few words and I can speak a few words.
German I could because that ties in with English. And I speak pretty fair German. And that's about all nine years old. Did you go to school when you first came here? Yes, I went to school and I was in school but before I came here too in Europe, you know, but there's no private schools there. I was going to a pay school. They were born into, you know, base schools there, or private schools. I don't know if it may be now. Maybe now, I'm sure there is. But you went to school in Bonham then? Yeah, I went to school in Bonham, also in a private school, you know.
They were in any public schools in Bonham either. Well, yes, they finally got a public school. Yes, by the time you left there in 1907, there must have been a public school. Yes, they can find it. Have you got a fly swatter? Yes, but we won't get it. It's got to settle something. You tell me where the fly swatter is. I don't know where you'll find it or not. You can? Oh, well, we'd love a copy of that. Well, I don't know where I see the children. Well, we'll ask and find out. Just if we know that it exists, you know. I see you have a picture of Madame Meir over there.
Are you interested in Israel? Yes, she's doing well. I remember them in my will. And I do a lot of things. I send the people, we send a lot of money to those that come in and they haven't got anything to leave one yet, you know. You know, there's people I'm telling you that my brother loves me and her son and all. So they made up a lot of money between the family. Now, of course, some of them say, well, Israel will take care of them. Well, they take care of them, but I don't know how they can take care of everybody that comes in.
Well, if families can take care of them, that helps Israel. Yes. Because Israel does have now many, many Russian people who are coming in. Yeah. And that is quite a strain on Israel. Yes. And that's because we made up some money and we send them some money there so they can have it until they get the legacy. Yes. See. So that's where it is. But I help everybody comes along, but there's always a limit, you know. Yes. Is there some more? Do you have more relatives in Russia? Or just this one relative? No, I think that's all you know. He forgot the most stuff. He forgot the whole family as well.
One nephew of mine came from Europe to visit us here not long ago, but he's in Germany now. He was in a concentration camp too. And I've got a niece here, I don't know, maybe you know Hilda Green? Sure, I remember when she came here. She was in a concentration camp too, you know, she's working here. And all of this wiped out so many of our families, and they just wiped out all things. So some of them still, we had some of them that came here, we've got somebody for the war, some nieces that was saved, you know, that lived in there, and she came here before she was a young lady.
She came in, she married very well, and she leaves in Fort Worth. So what could you do with all that people? I didn know she couldn do much of anything you know You fortunate that you had anybody there Yes some of them saved themselves Like this one in Fort Worth our father turned over to some Christian people you know and she had to break in the field to make out like she was their child, you know, just to save them. And she was saved. But when he came here, we helped him come here with the daughter and their father, and the mother died and so we uh she she was healed and she finally got a nice fellow to get married to he's a captain who's Captain Alamey and she's doing very well and uh let's see I can't remember names well but that's history it's all history even without the names you know it's the it's the The history of the period, that's what happened.
And everybody has it in their family history. Yes, that's right. So I know you've got it too. We all have. Right now I have people that just got out of Czechoslovakia not too long ago. And they're here? They came here? Yes, well there's two families, one's in Cleveland, one's in New York, one's in Houston. You know, my father had a younger brother named Joe Brown, who you never knew, because he came to this country much later than the brothers did. Oh, I see. And he settled in Oklahoma. Oh, I see. But he died in Golden Acres. Exactly. Well, I think that's a good place to be.
90 years old. I'll say that's a good place to be. And he was there just about a year. He was there. He had one daughter and this daughter was ill and still is. She was emotionally disturbed and she's in an institution herself. So she couldn't take care of her father. I see. And so, oh about five years ago, I think it was, I applied to Golden Acres to consider his entry. And so about three years after that, I got word that there was room for him to come. And he came and he was there for a year till he died He went in in perfectly good health He was in fine health But after he was in there he had a stroke He had been living by himself for many many years and he could no longer live by himself And his daughter lived in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, and his grandson lived up in Massachusetts.
So he was really alone. He was all alone, and he wouldn't come, though. But what the story I was going to tell you was that he brought over a nephew from Israel who had finally got to Israel. Oh, from here. From here. From from 18 years. Yes, from Hungary, from Czechoslovakia or something. Who lived there a number of years, married there, and then he wanted to come to America. And Uncle Joe brought him to this country. They came here. They had two sons when they came. with my uncle in Oklahoma then he moved to Houston and my uncle put him up in business there and they had two more sons had four sons and uh was doing very nicely there and three weeks after my uncle died he died leaving these four boys and and this and her and his wife yeah such as life yeah and so here she has four boys to take care of never knew what it was to you know to earn a living or do anything like that and of course she promptly lost their little business because she was taking advantage of you know Yeah, but that's what it is.
It's sometimes realness, you know. It all depends on the husbands when they're leaving. I don't know what to do. But you know, people think that this was all in the past, without saying, you know, we're talking about the history of families and how they get lost. All the rest, their parents, his parents were lost in the Holocaust. I see. And he had brothers and sisters and aunts. Was the Rosenbaum's any relation to the other family? The Rosenbaum's were married to Max, Max Brown, who was the youngest brother. No, but there was the old couple Rosenbaum's and they had the sisters that were here. Oh no, the ones that were here, one sister, Hannah?
Yes, she's here. Hannah Rosenbaum. Yes, I see her. And she paints, doesn't she? Do you see her Yes I see her There were no relations that I know of not to my family Oh Miss Rosenbaum is such a wonderful woman Yes A truly wonderful woman And I thought your mother visited Miss Rosenbaum No, my mother was never there. But it was either my, one of my two aunts. Because Max married, I think, a, it was a Rosenthal or a Rosenbaum. And he was from St. Louis. She was from St. Louis. Listen, your mother, that was your mother, visited, I thought, the Rosenbaum's and that's where she met your father.
No, that was probably Max's wife because my mother married Phil. My mother married Philip. And my mother never came to Texas at all. She was in St. Louis? She, I think, I've got her picture, too. You have a picture, I think, of my Aunt Sophie. You sent me one picture, and that was Aunt Sophie. Yeah, my daughter, we've been looking over some time, once upon a time, other than how come I had, I still have the album, you know. Yes. And she says, oh, you've got those pictures, but let me send it to Miss Kent. I said, well, I don't need it, and maybe she would appreciate it, and you send her.
And I said, my oldest daughter, let's send it to you. That's right. And I... Missed after. Missed after. Missed after. Laura. Laura. And I called her and wanted to come to see you. And we were trying to make some kind of a time that was convenient. I've forgotten now why it was that we couldn't get together at that time. And then I was going, I was just about, when I think I was going to Europe at that time, I was just going out of the country. and I was gone quite a long time. I see. So when I talked to Ginger, I said I really wanted to come and have this visit with you.
I'm glad you did. Wonderful. I'm glad you did. I really, I wasn't sure to myself that I would like to see you and would like to go and see you, but time sleep by and get old and you don't want to go nowhere. Well, but now we've gotten together. We'll have to get together another time. Well. There's a lot to talk to you about, for instance. The time you were talking about your sons who were in the war, in the army. Yes, I have. Well, they were. I'm telling you, I had the two sons in the army. And one of them was, they both were flyers, and one of them was in the, I can't call their name.
The Canary Islands, you said? Well, that's what he was flying through, and maybe they stopped for a guess or something like that. But he was, one of them was stationed, oh, I can't call their name. It's such a good name, a useful name, and everybody mentioned it. In Europe or in the... In Europe, no, in Europe. So he was stationed there. No. Friends? No. I just can't call the name. They use refuel there. They have offices there that they refuel and then the men go in for relaxation. You know? Fifteen. Now I was another seventeen. When you were seventeen? What do you know about that?
So my husband passed away about 16 years ago. And of course I couldn't leave in a big home. I had a big home there on the forest in Atlanta. I guess you know where it is. Sure I know where it is. So I couldn't leave in a big home, especially nowadays. They call people to go with it. Well, the Hexters lived there, you there. They lived on Atlanta and South Boulevard. They did, yes. The Victor Hexters. I had a kid right across the street from him. Yes. Yes. and let me see it was your mother that once come to see him I think I met your mother I think you did too Miss Tomlin yes I think I think it was so when I'm younger she visited the hex those while we were living still there and the hex was there that's right that's right yes well my mother was a very beautiful woman yes everybody remembered how beautiful she was yes she was she was a very pretty girl i don't know maybe i have her picture yet too you have that too i think so well we want to know what pictures you have because
they had what i'd have to go and yeah too much you don't want to do it now i understand that but i think i have her picture well what you see one of the things we're doing now is uh going to see people who have old memories and old pictures and old things that are valuable for our history before they throw them away i see well because their children may not want them no i guess not you right about that now i don know what the children do but they run some of them some of them well you want to find out who wants what
i tell you sometimes i may go to church way up in the attic you know put away old pictures you know i may sometimes have the boys go down get my box and look to it yes if i find it which i think i have your mother's picture there yeah and i can call you and talk to you oh yes but uh not only that old picture but other pictures that about your early life do you have any pictures of the early synagogue i don't remember here what what what year did you move to we came here in 1907 1907 yeah where did you come
from where did you grow up as a child from we came from oh i was 15 when I come to America. I was growing up in Russia. I was born in Russia. And my father, that's where I come from. He was right next door, joining the places that... Where the Brown Brothers were. The Brown Brothers was there, yes. They had a saloon in the... Yes. Uh-huh. And I remember, you know, she was engaged to one of the boys, and she'd always march up and down come to see them while they were there oh and they finally got that way they got acquainted that way she would pass our store you know of course i was just a young girl and she was a young lady but she was older than that oh yes yes and i declare i know i would remember her because he once gave her a pin it was made out of a pin a writing pen thing yeah and she always wore that peeing and i admired over that pin yes and she remembers that isn't that wonderful because that just stuck in my mouth in my memory well you know the brown brothers had lived here in dallas for quite a long time and then they moved oh and i don't think they lived in here but i know phillips came to see me i think one time when he was here did he yes well by the right your mother must be Yeah, hexsters.
And I think he comes to see me one time. But they used to come when I was in Bonham. I had a home and the boys used to come in and sometimes they sent them to me that meal you know homemade meal Oh yeah And after I got married And you were 17 when you married 17 when I got married And how many children did you have I've got six children and they're all living here. I've got three boys and three girls. And they all live here. Isn't that wonderful? And I've got great children and if they ever have a party for my birthday, you know, they always want to have a party for my birthday because i'm really old so i just had by the 85 have a great grandchildren and great grandchildren and i've got a great great venture muscle that's a great great great great great venture how did you happen to come to bonum well why did you leave russia i said we went to europe and that was in 1906.
We went to Europe and I took my children. I had three children and I took them with me and my husband and he wanted to visit these folks and his father was getting old and he wanted to visit them. So he took his family along and we had a business there, you can call it a department store. Where? In Garrison. In Garrison. And so we left it. We left our men, people that took care of our business you know manager and bookkeeper and all like that and we left and so we went we stayed there now what was i going to break out how you got to bonham oh i got the bottom well so let me see no you were in bonham before i went to rare garrison yes that's the way you went to bottom in 1906 you went to bottom did you go straight to bonham when you came from europe yeah how did you happen to do that well because my my father was in business there oh your father was already in business in in bonham in bonham oh until then he was right next to the brown brothers yes uh-huh and so uh so we went to europe and now the men don't remember what i was going to bring up what i was going to oh i asked you how you happened to come to bonham did you come to when When did you, how was it you left Russia?
Well I left Russia, you see my mother was a sickly woman and she used to go places where she could cure herself, trying to go different, you know, like to do here and different places. So it took a lot of money And how much it took it wasn enough So my father decided that you go to America and you make more money and have to send her so she can try to cure herself She had a TB So she once got up too soon when she had a baby And you know, down there was freezing early in the fall, it was still freezing. Everything was done, she was too cold and then she neglected and that's what the matter.
So when he came to America, he stayed a few years and she wasn't getting any better and then she finally passed away. And I was then, I was then about nine years old. So my great-grandmother raised me, and my grandmother passed away too. Where did you go? Your grandmother in Russia raised you? She went, yeah, she lived in Russia, in Bialystok. I don't know if that's the name of the city. Yeah, yeah, a big city. Bialystok. Yeah, Bialystok. So she took me in, and then my grandmother passed away, and she had a boy about a few months older than I was, just a few months.
So she took him in, and so she raised us at both of us. So when my father sent for me, well, he was trying to learn a trade by people with old jewelry, diamond people that were manufacturing diamonds to find jewelry, you know. So this boy was trying to learn that business, the boy that she raised with me. So I went away and he was going to finish up his part in a couple years. And he was just about a few months older than I was. So when he finished that up, he came with his brothers. He had some brothers that was already in New York and was already, other way if you know where maiden lane is yes well they were in maiden lane they had offices there and they had their business diamond business because there were diamond people all the time so they sent for him and when he came there he got him a job to to cut diamonds you know you know they come in big stones and you have to cut them and at that time i think he's got and a hundred dollars a week.
At that time, it wasn't... That was a lot of money then. Cutting diamonds. He did well, and you got his picture when he was a young man, and he went to a masquerade ball and he dressed himself up and he wanted me to see what he looked like, because we were separated, you know, a long time. So anyhow, he finally married in New York and all his brothers and sisters were also there already, you see. and so one of the sisters came with my father to america but they separated she was in new york and he came to texas so anyhow when i'm talking i forget what i want to say and what i want to do no no you're telling about how you came over here I'm just, anyway, I don't know.
When I came over, I stayed a little while with my aunt. The aunt that came with my dad here to America. And she was married and had a home of her own. So she just stayed with her. And then my dad sent for me. Your dad had been here then? Five years? He had a business in Bonham. That's how I got into Bonham. was in business in Bonham. And he came over here? And he didn't know. He came over here much earlier. I told you he would try to make more money to send to my mother while she was still living. That's right. Maybe she would get well with yourself because she took a lot of money.
You know, those days took as much accordingly as it does nowadays here. So anyhow, so he, now, they forgot what I was talking about. How did he come to Bonham? to bonham how come he came he was he was in texas here in texas you know somebody told him bonham was a good place for somebody to go and build there must have been a boom on in bonham there because that's why my my father and his brothers were here in dallas and they too went to bonham i see because they heard evidently that bonham was one of the you know supposed to be there a good But, um, business town.
It's been somewhere, the court has run down, and build up just like everywhere else, you know. I was there when I celebrated my 50th anniversary I went back to Bonham to get everything I saw and people I knew and where I lived and all Well Miss Dietz and Miss Ryan were they from Bonham also Miss Rosenberg. A Rosenbaum? She was a Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum. Your mother was a Rosenbaum, I think. No, my mother was a mayor, and my mother came from St. Louis. But... and my aunt oh I can you know I tell you well I'm telling you Max's wife was from St. Louis also that's the younger but youngest brother and hit and her name was Rosenthal wasn't it was it was it was a Rosenbaum she know their people were in the military business in St.
Louis maybe it was way this uh your mother came to visit the rose and bounce and rose by my name was her uncle your mother's uncle no that's my aunt's uncle because my mother never went there oh i see it was my aunt sophie who went there to visit oh i see your hands see my aunt sophie who married lewitt she married leopold as you call him they called him leopold then because they come from austria i think yeah from hungary hungary hungry hungry they came from hungary that's right yes so that's good that you remember all of that isn't it well i tell you
it comes back to you you know all the old days olden days sometimes comes back to you where did you first live when you came to dallas let me see now i believe they've been when i'm a female we lived in garrison texas that's east texas that's right and it was uh and it was a small place but it was there was no jewish people there see a beautiful only jewish people were there and we had a big department store we had as much as even coffins yes we had everything imaginable dry goods groceries everything that's a general store like they did in the old
days And that's the time when we had to leave there about several years. And I had three children and the oldest one of my child was about let me see she was supposed to be there about 11 years old and I went to Europe But you married in Dallas No I married in Bonham You married in Bonham first and then moved to Then moved to... then moved to... let me see. No, I didn't come to Dallas right away. I lived in Bonham for some time, and then we moved... Oh, we moved around quite a bit. We moved to Sherman. We moved to Sherman. Yes. And from Sherman, I think, we moved to Garrison.
To Garrison. And from the other end of the year. After your third child was born. Yes, yes. And that's the time when I went to Europe, my three children, one of them, I still nursed. I was aging my children. And I went there in Europe. Spent the winter in Europe. Yes. And I had to leave my older girl, but I was about 11 years old. she's still living here yes and who is she married to mr alpha god i don't know about these six men now saffron and it's suffer yes that was from new york and he was also in the jewelry business yeah he's uh he's uh he's uh his brother was also they're always in jewelry business but i was just like bill sapper there's a bill sapper here but i'm in no king they're no relations no relation no and so anyway uh he was he was my my cousin uh-huh He was a new staffer by, let's see, I don't know my marriage or something.
Anyway, he was my cousin. And my oldest daughter went to New York and they finally got married there. And so they come back here to read. And he was traveling there with jewelry, diamonds. because it wasn't their costume jewelry but real jewelry real jewelry yes they didn't have costume jewelry much then they just had cheap jewelry and fine jewelry yeah well i guess now they the costume jewelry is better looking than the real jewelry well they do copy it beautifully I sure do. So anyway I got oh I got maybe 40 grandchildren and some great some great Yes now who is your other daughter One of them is Rabinovich.
Yes. He's passed away, husband passed away. Yes. And one is Levine. He's a sick man too. she's leaving way up in in kind of north dollars beyond the northwest highway yes and uh and my uh my youngest daughter that's mr bean and my older and my older daughter's saffir and my middle daughter's rabinovitz now what about your three boys three boys i've got two lawyers in the family and one bookkeeper and one bookkeeper now which one married who now I know like Trudy is my granddaughter is your granddaughter that's my oldest son's daughter yes and she's Trudy Phillipson now yeah and then Betty Sue that's my oldest son's daughter too she's married to one of I was really concerned, you know, with Phillips and I think he was, uh...
That's Carol's brother, I think. Carol, uh... Yeah, uh-huh. Phillips, and he was with Herman together, and he was the main man in the electric line. Yes. He was the main man. That was my granddaughter. carol brin's brother married yes and her friend brother married phillipson too she was a phillipson that was a sister to my my granddaughter's husband that's right so anyway we get a lot for about 85 in the family right here in dallas yeah all in dollars isn't that wonderful that's really a big big family but when are you going to have did you have a 50th anniversary party with a lot of pictures yeah the children doesn't want to leave me alone i don't want those parties but they just want to have it want to have my way they just got to go in the celebrate and sometimes they have and Six Flags in a hotel down there party and then they had to get Harlow Johnson's party and round I don't know if they always want to have posits.
Well, I guess they enjoy posits and they've got a good excuse to have a posits. Well, you know, my grandmother always celebrated her birthday. Yes. And so her family didn't live all in one town. They lived around, and her grandchildren too. But when her birthday came around, my grandmother was named Mayor and she lived in St. Louis. Oh, I see. and do you remember a cotton firm of a.l wolf and company no yeah well this was wolf and they were out of New York and st. Louis and they had offices in Dallas too and my mother was a niece of mr. a.l wolf and my father met her in st.
Louis and they married there and then by that time he had already moved your father and he had moved to Oklahoma up to you follow Oklahoma so they married and moved back to you follow Oklahoma but my grandmother used to insist that everybody come to her birthday oh i see and her birthday she always celebrated on rosh hashonah oh i see because she was born on rosh hashonah i don't know my birthday only by the hanukkah yes when hanukkah the eighth candle is my birthday and they don't come every time the same day right the same way with my grand buddy you see and they
always celebrated on that day of hanukkah that's right the eighth candle that's right the eighth candle was your birthday it's my birthday and it comes in different days that's right so anyway they like that they wanted a party so um i just well you go along with it that's fine i'll tell you what my grandmother said you must come to my birthday she would always say you don't know if i'll be here next year and she said you don't need to come to my funeral she was 82 when she died and she but she loved to celebrate her birthday and that was when she wanted
all her family to come but I way above her and how old will you be I 95 95 going to 96 Oh you are wonderful You are wonderful The good things of all that I know what I doing That's right. And I can get around and I still do a little something. I've got a wife woman that stays with me. But only in the evening, during the night, you know, she gets away, she goes to work. And she comes in the evening, she does a little something for me, but that's all. Do you prepare your own meals? I don't have to cook. The children supply more than I can use.
Yes. Each one wants to bring mama something, you know. Yes, yes. To keep one, I have to divide with the others. If I got so much, you can't get some if you wanted. I can imagine. I haven't. I'm really cooking. With 85 children, 85 people in the family here. Well, of course, the grandchildren, you know. the grandchildren, they've got their families, and they're not thinking so much of the grandmother, you know, or the great-grandmother. That seems too long ago to them. One of them is that Nesha is my granddaughter. Yes. And the other one, let me see which one, which is the other one here.
That's Patsy. Patsy. Yeah. That's my granddaughter. And, yeah, Patsy, that's it, that's the Nesha. Patsy Patsy. Well, of course, everybody's got their own family. she's got three girls and the other one's got five girls the tatchel's got five girls can you imagine five my family five girls and i got another one that my my baby is his daughter she has another one that's got four children she was a lucky one she's got three boys and one girl you think that's lucky do you well i think she thinks that all the rest of young girls that's right i don't have any voice that's right and so she we call her she she she uh when you call us when i was ivy ivy is your daughter ivy i've never been a rubenowitz is your daughter yeah you met i know ivy yes sure and i'm patsy and my daughter went to to uh hockey day school together Oh, I see.
Uh-huh. Yes, well, anyway, so I often wondered. I often wanted to see you, you know? Yes. I heard so much about you and all and I used to know that your husband I used to shop down cannes i always shop again you know my husband never liked to shop i had to shop for him and select things and send him in to to try on and see the only thing i couldn't shop one was shoes outside of that i had to do all the shopping and then send them in to see if it fit him well i know that you were one of the you know can had about six generations on the books yeah of the m cannon company and you
were one of their old time customers who had you know children through the years who also had accounts yeah my children was coming from college and i went to feed them up in clothes i take them down there and i'd talk to you you knew laurice but i know you knew mr em can too sure sure i didn't know and so i tell him to go and feed him up and the boys even the blue boys and young men you know they always want mama to come along and pick what they wear but she thinks it's good yes so and i used to shop all
my shopping at the end yeah so if you had three boys you had a lot of shopping to do for them boys and i had three daughters and i married them all up and most of them well one of them was in shul we belonged to the shanties and one was one was in shul and the other two was at home and let me see where we now one was on first avenue he had married in half and one was i mean these on on chemistry right across from the old man saying to the other thing is the old man you know yes really right
across on captain street on canton street so the virus and the cans live down on cated street yes and then see and all the you know that's what the jewish neighborhood most of it right back up maybe was that called the cedars what was called the cedars tita do you remember that that they called an area in dallas the cedars no i don't remember what i mean what do you mean they were the jewish people yes no i don't think they had a special name with anything around park and irving or something like that most of them they been around the city park yes and
then i have a street you know most of it And Akron And Akron Street and Eka most of the Jewish people live around there Yes. And it's close to the temple, it was close to the temple, you know, too. So, that's where it goes, so that's it. But I... What temple was down there? Oh, that was the temple, that's the Temple Manuel. On South Boulevard? Yeah, on South Boulevard, but it was on Irby Street. On Irby Street, that's right. Then it went to South Boulevard. That's right. About when was that? Oh, I don't remember the year exactly, but I know when I leave there, there was on Irby Street.
It was in Irby. Before 1920. Yeah. And then they moved over to, what was it? South Boulevard. South Boulevard, yes. And I came there. I had my children go to the Sunday School at the Temple. At the Temple. Yes, because it was so close. They lived on forests in Atlanta, you know, and the children still was going to Temple. And so that's the way. Did the Tobians live down there when you were there? Yes, the Tobians lived right on South Boulevard, down there, a far from it. And when was there? Wasn't there a home for the ages? Yes, that was also in South Boulevard. Yes.
It was close to Avery. Who has one? You know what they inscribe? Yes, yes. Well, next to Leans was a big house that belonged to, oh, I can't call the name, I knew the people. Was it Reinhardt's? Did they, not the Reinhardt's? No, no. But that's where the old folks home was there for some time. Now you ought to see what a beautiful place they've got. They're golden acres. Have you ever been there? Yes. Oh, they've got a beautiful place. And you know what I give them? I don't know, you were there lately? Yes, yes. did you think that'd be good marble wine yes but i gave him that oh i didn't know that that's what you gave them yes i gave him that and i gave him and i contributed a lot to that no give what i can i don't that's not the only place do you ever go out there sometimes to see their affairs yes i go Do you have some friends out there?
Well some. I tell you I don't remember no more names. I can tell a face but I don't remember the same thing when I go to show it to all young people. I don't remember anybody. I don't seem to see very, very few of them. And they're all so glad to see me. I usually attend the show on every Friday night. You do? And I'm able to. And so everybody's so glad to see me because after all, I'm the oldest member they've got done there. Yes, I bet you are. I bet you are. Well, you know, Mrs. Mittenthal is your saint. Yes, Mrs. Mittenthal is right back of me on Canton Street.
That's right. And she was a good man. Yeah. ever goodman i see and she's your age she's 96 also is that so yeah i'm gonna be 96 i'll be good love that kids are here i'll be in december somewhere about honey can i'll be 96 if i'm here you're here you'll be here we're all going to celebrate with you thank you as long as i as long as i've lived i know what i'm doing that's the main thing you know and see now it's just too bad for people's ideas she has her hearing and she has her teeth and she has her wonderful complexion you know i can still read with my glasses and you can still read that is marvelous keeping me i guess maybe i'll leave the right kind of a life i think you do you know at golden acres they have a woman who is 101 years old I don't know.
She's only been there one year. Oh, I see. So she's the first hundred years, I guess. She's the hardest. My father moved to Oklahoma about... 1900. And you were saying that your husband heard about Oklahoma. Well, I'll tell you more than hearing about Oklahoma. Yes. Well, I'll tell you, when the Oklahoma, you see, it was in Oklahoma, it was the Indian Territory. That's right. So the Indian Territory, the United States, bought the land from the Indians. And they're going to pay each family so much for the part of the land they own. Well, each family has a big, big, big lot of children. And it's figured out so much for each one that they're going to pay up.
and had nothing but gold. No paper or money, nothing but gold. So the government sent out the transports in wagons and closed up places where they kept the gold see on the wagons There was no road or anything like that To go amongst the Doreenians you know you have to chop the trees down you know like sop and chop the trees down to get to the road Well, anyhow, my husband at that time, he was in Bonham yet, and he thought he was going to give up the business and see what he can do about the Indian territory. So he didn't want to go alone, so he wrote for a cousin he had in Chicago there.
And they want him to come here, and they divide with whatever they can make, but they want to cheat it there, the whole thing. So he came and he went with him. And my husband hired a wagon. And you see, they're going to pay off the Indians. The Indians couldn't talk. They had to show them to talk their own language. So the government's going to pay them gold. So each family had a name, a standard wagon with the name of a certain district, a certain part of the country, of the country to pay this one and another wagon to go another part of the country to pay the other one and so on and so forth.
So the one wagon that would come to pay up the money, and so many children and their family, they didn't know nothing, and they'd put out their left like this, and the government's men would come in and put out the money, the gold money in the left. Well, it was a lot of people that wanted to do business and make money. So they followed up all the territory with some other wagons, you see, just plain wagons, but ahead of time, before they paid up, before the government came in with a goal to pay them up, they went in there and they sold an Indian machine to sew.
They showed them how to sew and that was good. They sold them an icebox, not the refrigerator, but an icebox. They sold them clothes, they sold them everything, but they didn't get the money from them until they got paid up. So when the government men come with the wagons with the gold, they paid each family and they held out this way, the dress, to put the gold in. So when they put the gold in it and the man was already behind there waiting for his pay so the woman says here take it because that will owe you So he come and picked out his amount of money his amount of gold from there see And so on and so forth and so on and so forth and just that where it went Pretty soon they didn't have any more gold.
That's it. So then you can go ahead and pick out a lot, the size of the government, a lot. You know, I don't remember just how much. They had a head right. They gave them so much land. Well, that's it. What you see, you could pick your land. You could? Provided you squatter it, build your hut, and you got to stay in a length of time in that place. Otherwise, you can't have it. Mm-hmm. Squatter's right. That was right. Sort of. So that's it. So that's it. So when my husband, he had, I think he maybe had some merchandise too. I don't know, but they did.
Anyway, he said, well, you had to chop the roads so you can make the trip, you know. Of course, the wagons, I don't know, maybe they had a different road to go. I don't know where they... I think he said they followed him, but anyhow, some places they had to chop the road out. So this nephew of his got tired of it. He said, no, I don't want to stay here. I'm going back home. So he left my husband by himself. So my husband stayed a while. I don't know, don't remember just what the end of it was. But anyway, he came home and he didn't have any go.
So that's where the Indian Territory opened up, you see. There was the Indian Territory. There was no Oklahoma, I mean. No, it was Indian Territory. Well, that was where my father moved to Indian Territory, to Ufollow, Indian Territory. Did he keep the land? Was your husband? No, he didn't because he didn't want to stay there. I was in Bonham. Oh, but he didn't stay there long enough to keep the land? No, because you had to squat on the land and build your house so you can live there a second time. See? But he didn't live there long? No. Well, that was very frontier. It was very, very...
he wouldn't like, you know... I guess it must have been dangerous, you know. Oh yeah, I know what they tell about. My Uncle Louis, Uncle Leopold. I see. He drove up to Oklahoma to make the run for the land. Oh I see. Remember when they were going to give this land out Yeah And they called the ones that went before they called them the Sooners Yeah Well my uncle went up and when he saw this campsite where all these people were who were waiting to make the run was the roughest looking people he ever saw Just like you said he drove he had a horse and buggy he drove down this road and they were camped on either side of the road It was a muddy just a rough he said covered wagons and tents and children and dogs and the roughest looking men all with a sidearm or a gun or something.
And my uncle said he drove down this long, long road and he saw these people so rough looking on either side. And he got to the end of this camp and he said he turned his horse around and he came back and he looked at all of these rough looking people. rough-looking people and when he got to the end of the campsite he said I just kept driving. He never got out. That's what my husband, you see, he knew he could take a piece of land and even that if he wanted to bring me there, you see, but who would want to just have to go and chop trees and build a hut so you can live there, you see.
Well, the old people, American people, didn't want to do that. So they just didn't get no land. Of course you could see those great beautiful places, and you might have gotten a piece of land that wasn't great much of it, because she didn't know there was nothing but a field, you know. They didn't know where to get the land, good or bad. So that's the way it was. I've experienced that union business too. You did. You really did. When he came back then did the next people who came on that property keep the property? When he came back? Yeah. Oh you mean when he came back to the Indian Territory?
When he came back from the Indian Territory. Well I don't know he wouldn't know. He wasn't there very long. No, no. He wasn't really long enough to have any. No. Yeah. He talked to the land. They were long because when they got through paying off the Indians and you got through if you could do business with them all right. If you couldn't, you'd just pick up and go home. That's it. But that's what the Indians did, they held out their lip. And those people that told them things... Now what they had done first was they had given the Indians certain amount of money and kept the others.
They had no amount of land and they could sell their land for gold. They could sell it for gold and get money. Yes, the government did that. But the government had a better idea because they knew that the Indians, you could take everything away from the Indians. It was only after that that they stopped and wouldn't allow the Indians to sell their land anymore. There was a law that every Indian had to keep, he couldn't sell his last 40 acres. And if anybody bought that, it was illegal. They didn't have title to it because if it was the last 40 acres of this man. Yes, well, that's it.
But you see, when they paid up the money, now they would only give him a certain amount of that money and keep the rest of it. They wouldn't say, come and get it. See, the people that sold them everything and they were waiting for the money, And they didn't know how to count their money, so the people had just come and got what they wanted, how they'd go. But if they were to give them part of it and keep the part for them later on, that would have been better. But anyhow, they don't treat the Indians too well as it is now. That's right, and the Indians are complaining even today.
Yes, I don't think they'll be there treated too well. Look at it. look at the New York it was sold for $25, $25, $25. Right. There's a little island in there. Well you know you got to consider something but they doing a little something for you Well on television on last night they were showing how the big industry now is getting all of the water that used to come and flow over the land of the Indian reservation. These Indians have been there for 2,000 years. And the water is being dammed up and being piped to industry before it ever gets to the reservation, to the Indians.
Well, they ought to see their reservation. That was even one of their reservations. You know, we went to California when the desert was still just like it was a year, hundreds of years ago. We drove in a car. We drove in dry beds, you know, river beds, dry river beds. We drove to California so anyway what was I going to tell you I was going to tell you something about the Indians about the Indians but I just don't remember what I was talking about the water and how they took the water away from the Indians and they didn't help them on their reservations I was going to tell you something something particular it'll come back it'll come back it'll come back yes it'll come back to you those i didn't think i think you've done beautifully and you know i think it's too long now that we should come back again i hate to but you're right and i'm afraid of retiring this is the tablet i'm afraid of getting her too tired it was nice to have you all come and then and so somebody come here