Betty Rubin Michaelson
Betty was the daughter of Frank and Hazel Rubin, part of the extended Rubin and Ackerman families who emigrated from a small village in Russia around 1901 to 1907. Family patriarch Ezra Rubin and his wife, Etta Rose, for whom Betty (Betty Rose) was named, came to Dallas after two relatives, Nathan Rubin and Ben Ackerman, arrived first. Etta Rose died soon after reaching America and is buried at Shearith Israel Cemetery. The family entered the grocery business in the Deep Ellum area, learning English on the job. Betty's mother, Hazel, was the only sibling born in Dallas, while the older children were born in Europe.
Betty grew up in South Dallas, which she remembered warmly as a happy Jewish neighborhood where everyone knew one another and children walked everywhere safely. As relatives prospered, families such as the Ackermans and Nathan and Fanny Rubin built handsome homes on South Boulevard. When Betty was thirteen, her family moved north to the Armstrong and Abbott area, and she continued at Forest High School with her friends. She attended the University of Texas in Austin for two years, then finished at SMU after her mother's savings, kept in a sugar bowl during the Depression, ran out. She later taught school in Oak Cliff.
The family was Orthodox and deeply devoted to one another, with all confirmed at Shearith Israel. Betty recalled large Seders that rotated among the households, sometimes seating forty people, and vividly remembered her grandmother burying knives in the soil to purify them for Passover and the shochet, Mr. Orlowitz, coming to kill chickens in the backyard. She described the iceman leaving a block of ice on the screened porch so the children could have milk. Betty married into the Michelson family, and in a small-world twist she and her first cousin John Rubin married a Michelson brother and sister. She shared the 1925 family photograph so the family's story would be preserved.
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I'm talking to Betty Michelson and she's brought a wonderful photograph of the Rubin family. And maybe you can identify everyone, starting with the baby sitting on the floor. The baby on the floor is Rosalie Ackerman Goldberg. Have a nice week. Okay. Would you like this by families? This is the rest of her family now. Well, I don't know. Let's just, I guess, take it by rows. Maybe the first row would be... Let's start with this young man. Across the top. Or here. Yeah, let's start with this lady, and this would be the second row, the seated... That's my mother, Hazel Rubin. You know, I've heard people talk about these names.
Oh, I'm sure you have. And this is me, Betty. Is that B-E-T-T-Y? Betty Rose, that's what everyone calls them in South Dallas. And this is my father's brother, who is the groom, Morris, and his bride, Lena. Morris Rubin. Mm-hmm. What was Lena's maiden? Black? Black, uh-huh. And then there's the boy. No, the women. Who is this? That's this man's son. That's Edwin Rubin. All right. Ruth Rubin Ackerman. Okay. Now do you want to go? And the second row? Okay, the row that they're standing. Now this is John Rubin. And this is Frank Rubin. Frank. And Fanny Rubin. and Nathan Rubin And Morton Rubin M-O-R-T-O-N Okay And this of course is the Patriarch.
This is Ezra Rubin Ezra Uh huh Okay okay and Meyer Meyer me why you are three so I'll just give them to you this is Maurice Rubin oh my and her sister Ethel Lee Ethel Lee remember did you know her I'll tell you in a minute okay She's my aunt by marriage. What's her name? Okay, go on. Anyway. We'll leave anybody out of this. Well, now we go up to the... This is Meyer's wife, Cecile. And then Cecile... That's Evely's mother. Oh. Cecile Rubin. I want you to see that's the girl I'm invested. Yeah. And then the baby. The baby is Gertrude. Ackerman Miller. Gertrude.
And her father, Ben Ackerman. And Ben Ackerman. And these are the Ackermans and the Rubens that were in the grocery business in DeBim. When was this photograph taken? 1925. 1925. My brother wasn't born yet, that's how I know. He was born in 1926. This was on Grand Avenue. At whose home? It is in, anyway, at my parents' home, Frank and Hazel. It was Lena and Morris' wedding that you probably had. You can tell by the flowers. Yeah Ethel Lee if this is the married Ethel Lee Harris She married a Harris All right In Florida And her husband was my husband uncle Isn't that weird? You didn't know that?
No, I didn't know that. Oh, really? Uh-uh. Okay. Oh, goodness, now I can't think of his first name. Herschel. Herschel. His sister was Anita, or is Anita Biederman, and that was my husband's mother. That's the Small World Department? Yes, so I hear from Ethelie, you know, about once a year. How is she? Fine. Lives in North Carolina. North Carolina? Didn't they live in Florida for a while? Yes, but she's been living in North Carolina for a number of years. And they had one son? One son. And where is he? If I'm not mistaken, he's in the Washington, D.C. area. I'm not sure if he's in Virginia or...it seems to me he's in that area.
The only three people that I know of, and this...see, this was the first generation. This man, Nathan the oldest, and his brother-in-law Ben came to America first and then they brought Papa and Mama. Mama passed away almost immediately. She's buried at Shareth Israel Cemetery and she's the woman I'm named for. Her name was Etta Rose and my name was Betty Rose. But anyway, then of course they brought my father and Meyer to Zethelie's father. Okay. Now, you said they were the first. When did they come? Do you know when they came? I really do. Let's see. I think this was all between 1901 and 1907.
Why did they come to Dallas? This I can't tell you. Okay. Did they come through Galveston? No. Through New York? My mother's father did. These people came through New York. Did they live in New York first? Not that I know of Not that you know of Then they brought the youngest Hi Rose how are you Hi How was your vacation I'm doing a taping right now. It's okay, I'll talk to you in a minute. The youngest would be this one and this one. Now, wait a minute, wait a minute, you say this one and this one. I have to look, you're talking about it. Ruth Agramman and Morris Root.
This was the daughter, the one daughter, and this is the son who came to be married and they brought her. This bride came also from Russia, a little village called Basilea. Oh, she came here to be married? Uh-huh. She came with Ruth Ackerman and with her husband-to-be. Oh, I see. Interesting. It's almost a Fiddler on the Roof type story. It really is. It really is. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, I think it was... How did they get into the grocery business? Was that similar to what was done in... I think it was... Well, when my father came to this country, he could say two words in English, bananas two pounds for nine cents, I think it was.
They just started out, you know, going to see their pants. For a while my father worked for a telephone company and was a wire person. Then one started and then the other one took over. They were just entrepreneurs. Yeah, yeah. Like all people of that generation who survived. Isn't that nice? It's a wonderful photograph. It really is. The only three really who, as I say, are not there are the bride and groom's two sons, Eddie and Louis. Do you know Louis, Rubin, and Devorah? Sure. Wait a minute. That's... That's the bride and groom's two sons, Eddie and Louis. This is their parents? Uh-huh. Oh, my.
And my brother, Arthur, who was born in January of 1926. Uh-huh, uh-huh. This was the summer before he was born. Now I'm getting it okay. That's a mess of Rubens. I didn't realize that these are the brightest The groom or the parents? Oh, well, now, I don't remember him at all. I don't think I knew him. He's been gone a long time. Uh-huh, uh-huh. But I did know Lewis's mother. Oh, sure. Yeah, and I remember, you know, speaking with her many times. These two remained not only sister-in-laws, but very close friends with every day of their lives. They couldn't have been closer. Uh-huh. That's wonderful.
And so they all came from the same town? Same little village. They ran away from the Tsar. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Now, Ezra, what did he do in Russia? What was his business? I don't know that either. I know that one brother who died quite young was buried in Russia. He was a violinist. That's all I ever heard about him. I don't know his name. I probably could find out by doing a little questioning from Rosalie and from, I don't know, maybe Lewis knows. Now, you mentioned that several were presidents of Sherath Israel. Right. Who would that be? Would that be Morris? Nathan was. Oh, Nathan. And Nathan's grandson-in-law, who was Morris Ritchick.
Oh, okay. That's two of him, and Morris' son, Louis. Right, right, right. They were three. Okay. But on this picture, you say Nathan was. Uh-huh. He would be up there on the wall with all the past presidents. All right, now, which is Nathan's wife? Fanny. Fanny. Did we not put her in? Yeah, I just didn't realize that. Okay. And their children? Are Morton and John. Morton and John. Okay. Now, am I correct? John's wife, Zelda, was a Michelson. And I'm married to a brother. And you're married to a brother, so there's... Cousins to marry brother and sisters Don try Okay I wasn sure whether it was a relationship or Isn that interesting Johnny and I are first cousins, as you can see, and we married a sister and brother.
Now, I remember that Zelda loaned the picture to me of her family's store in Deep Elm, and I think they had a clothing store. Right, and you have a Seder picture, I believe, that Michelson Seder that was included in the Mandel film. I think you do. I have a Goranzik's. No, Goranzik, that's it. Yeah, I'm sorry. Goranzik is related? Her mother was a Goranzik. Oh my, I didn't know that. Wait, whose mother? Zelda's mother, my mother-in-law. Zelda's mother was a Goranzik? Yes, right. I don't think I knew that. Oh. Yeah, I mean, I think I knew that. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Mary Michelson, Mary Goranzik Michelson. Is it possible that the Rubens came because of the Goranzik being here? I don't think so. I don't know. I really can't say for sure, but I can find out. Well, it's interesting and I always ask why people came to Dallas and it's usually three reasons. for health. Many people did come here for health. Most came because there was already a relative here that could help them get established, or they came strictly for economic reasons because Texas was the, advertised as a land of opportunity, and many people came here. Even in those days?
Oh, yes. Texas was promoted in Europe in around 1900. My grandfather came to Galveston. In fact, I have in our home a rocker that he bought there. It was a rocking chair that was damaged a little bit in the flood. He came right after that. Oh, really? The year of the flood, 19-something. Was it 1905? Something like that. I don't know how they got here. I really, truly don't. Well, there were some people they knew here, for instance, but which came first, I don't I don know Like Max Silberman Fanny Silberman was here I remember in my growing up years there were let see the Thayer family They were all here I remember them being here but in what sequence I couldn remember Sometimes it was a lanceman.
They all were lancemen. Everybody was trained together. They heard from someone who was living, so they went to the same place. It's interesting. And of course all of these were support systems, whether it was a relative or a wantsman. Absolutely. So it makes sense. That's right. Interesting that Bethelie is related. Isn't it? That's wonderful. But, I mean, now that you tell me, I can sort of see. It's a very strong family resemblance. Mm-hmm. The broad forehead and the... The only one I guess who really doesn't have that would be like, I don't think Johnny has it as much as Morton. And these girls, of course, they're both Ackermans and Brooks.
Ethelie has it more than her brothers. Yes. And that's Ethelie's mother. And this is her father? Right, Meyer. He died many, many years ago. Well, in any case, we know it's a family good home. Oh, this is wonderful. When I had my, an exhibit about Deep Elm, we had a program meeting and Nathan Rosen talked about what he remembered. And he talked quite a bit about Ben Ackerman and I don't remember which, Reuben, but Reuben. Frank, he worked for my father. Frank. He and Ruthie met and fell in love at the grocery store. Oh, is that right? I was very impressed. Oh really? Yes, I was very impressed.
But I remember... Ruthie worked in the office and he was the grocer. Oh. Frank Goodwin. Uh-huh. He was saying that Ben Ackerman developed a refrigeration system He was a brilliant man A brilliant man He really was yes But he had no formal education or did he No no of course not No, no, no any kind of education, really. My own father, I know, taught himself English by looking in the telephone book every night, and the newspaper. So how do you, I mean, was all the family sort of mechanically inclined? Well, that would be Ben. Ben was not a Rubin, so I don't think so. Oh, well, that's true.
I don't know. Okay, okay. They were just... Did what they had to do. It's a good cross-section of early Americana, really. Yeah, it really is. It's a wonderful photograph. I keep saying I know there's these photographs out there. Yeah, well, this was just an accident looking through a box of my mother's pictures. I have so many, but I don't think there would be a bit of community interest because most of my mother's family moved, her sisters all moved away and spent most of their adult lives Is there anything else you can tell me about the family that would be of interest to just general history or Jewish history in Dallas?
Did they always live in South Dallas? Where did they live when they first got started? Yes, pretty much I can tell you. We all lived in South Dallas for a while. As Ben and Ruth prospered, they built a pretty home on South Boulevard, which is still standing. Do you remember the address? No. Okay. I could point it out, but it was in the 2700 block, I think. We lived in several places. We never owned a home in South Dallas, but when I was 13 we moved north. We were the sidebusters. Well, the Jews have always moved. Right, right. Well, we've lived north ever since. Fannie and Nathan Rubin also built a beautiful home on South Boulevard right next door to the Ackerman.
A very strong, strong family feeling. That's interesting. Which is getting rarer by the minute. Well, did they all go to, did they all join Sherath Israel? Oh sure. Yes, indeed. Do you feel that they were Orthodox? I think they were Orthodox, and they were born Orthodox and certainly raised that. There would be no differentiation, I'm sure, in Russia they were Jewish. were Jewish, but they were raised very religious parents, and they raised their children. We all were confirmed at Shareth Israel. I can't be too sure about Edwin and Maurice and Ethelie. I'm not quite sure, but I think they were. Martin went to University of Oklahoma and had a law degree.
I think, I'm not quite sure, Johnny went, I'm not sure that he ever got a degree. Louis, their oldest son, is a graduate of Rice. And you have another son, Eddie. Eddie. I don't know that he ever finished college. And I don't know, again, they're I just don't know. Well it's actually very typical. First family is busy just getting a start and then they send their children to school at least to college at least for a couple of years. And in those years even I think just graduating high school was an accomplishment and very few went to college and if they went one or two years that was considered very good.
My mother, I remember, saved money in a sugar bowl during the Depression to send me to college. That was really something. You mean that story is true about saving money in a sugar bowl? Oh, absolutely. She had only so much money to spend on groceries. It was lean pickings during the Depression. Even though you were in the grocery business? It didn't make any difference. Well, we were not wealthy, let's say. Well, yeah. Everyone worked hard. She was in the same boat. Yeah, yeah. But she did. This all came about interestingly enough I spoke to Rosalie who has a new grandchild She lives in Houston. And she was telling me that her 16-year-old granddaughter went to Spain as an exchange, a six-week exchange student this summer, to live with a Spanish family and learn to speak Spanish.
So I said, gee, Rosalie, that's wonderful. We have two 17-year-old grandchildren who went to Mexico last week to live with a Mexican family for three weeks, also to go to school and to speak only Spanish. And we were talking, and I said, you know, Rosalie, we've come a long way from Basilea. And then I said, I have this picture, and I took it over to Doc Miller, and he's making a copy for her. And then Jack said, you're foolish, you ought to bring it up here. So here I am. Oh, that's wonderful. That's the saga of the picture. Yes, I'm glad he thought about us.
That's wonderful. Do you have any photographs of any of the houses in South Dallas? Do you think any of those are available? I'm planning an exhibit. I'm going to try to recreate South Dallas, and I'm looking for photographs, and I think most people have snapshots, but sometimes... Not of the full house. To get an idea of what the houses look like. There are some of Arthur and our parents and me when we were little, but she only said how she wouldn't want that. Well, if you come across something... Something that I think is spectacular. Well, it doesn't have to be spectacular, but to give a feeling or an idea...
For instance, that gives an identity of the son. Well, that's a wonderful love. There's not too many of that kind of photograph of opening day at Teichgettinger in 1902. too. But I have a feeling that that was specifically taken by a commercial photographer, you know. I'm sure it was. Yes. I'm sure there was such a thing. But it's amazing how that there are good photographs from the early days. Oh, yeah. And if they haven't been tossed, they're in people's attic or put away somewhere. I have quite a lot of things but I don think they would be of general interest Okay For instance I told you about the ladies who no longer live in Dallas and didn Was Yiddish spoken in your home or did everyone speak English?
No, I learned it in college. Oh, my. Honestly. Isn't that so? There was such an emphasis on English. And when I went away to school, I had a friend, and the only way we could communicate and keep secret from the other girls was to speak Yiddish. And to this day, and I love it, my grandparents, of course, my mother's parents and Ezra and his wife only spoke Yiddish. Right, right. I wish I knew more. It's wonderful to talk with Bill Wallman, for instance, or My friend was Margaret Helen Gold and Weston. Oh. And in her house, her Bubba spoke Yiddish. We had a good thing going.
Nobody knew what we were talking about. Oh, it's great, though. But that's interesting. Did you remember any incidents of anti-Semitism when you were growing up or in college? really imagined in college. I went to Austin, to the University of Texas for two years, and then the money ran out, so I came home and finished at SMU. And before a Christmas vacation there was a quiz given in French and as each student turned in the paper the professor whose name I can't recall at the moment said Joyeux Noel. And I came up and this was to walk almost like if you were sitting there to walk up and then across and out in in front of everyone.
Bon vacations. That's imagined. I'm sure he was being thoughtful, but it was belittling, I thought. I think you'll have to agree that's not a... That's not anti-Semitism. That's not a bad incident. No, it really isn't. No. It isn a bad incident but I remembered it for a long time It certainly made an impression on you Sometimes people try to be thoughtful and it misconstrued This is a question that I usually ask and I'll have to say that I really haven't discovered any, no one recalls any really serious incident. I don't recall any. I know a few Jewish families moved to Oak Cliff. I don't know what happened there.
Did you, but if you were, when you were living in South Dallas, you were growing up in sort of a... We were still in a ghetto. In sort of a Jewish neighborhood. We didn't even know it. We didn't even know it. Right. We loved it. High school was fun. Everything was great. When you moved away from South Dallas, did you still live in a Jewish neighborhood? No, no. We lived on Armstrong and Abbott, which is a very... Non-Jewish? Non-Jewish. Uh-huh. Did you encounter any... No. Okay. Uh-huh. As a matter of fact, I was 13 years old, and one year I went to school at North Dallas And of course, being a teenager, that just didn't do.
All my buddies were in the forest. So my mother, bless her heart, drove me there every morning for the last year. I must have been over, yeah. But no anti-Semitism, really. I never went to country clubs, so I never knew about the Dallas country club. Well, I think that and Lakewood were almost the only ones for a long time. But they, I believe, had that reputation of no Jewish members. Their loss? But anyway, no anti-Semitism really, I don't think so. I'm trying to think of anything that you could tell about living in South Dallas that maybe was different or... Well, you see, if it was different, I wouldn't know.
You weren't aware of it. It was just a happy, wonderful way to live, because you knew everyone within a Did you walk everywhere? Sure. Did you have any fear of walking? No, no, of course not. No. There was a wonderful neighborhood library and it was staffed by non-Jews, but everybody was friendly. Where was the library? You're talking about a branch library or the downtown library? No, I'm talking about the branch. The Sanger branch? Yeah, I guess so. It was on Harwood. Right. I think in the line with the temple or something. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. The school, for instance, the teachers in Forest High, the only Jew who came near to being anybody in that school was Jenny Blumenthal.
Wonderful lady. Yes. But there was no parents and teachers and children. Everybody, as I recall, it was a happy time, except for the lack of money. And every child. For instance, Lena and Morris and Ruth and Ben and my mother and father took turns for seders. And houses were not spectacularly large in those days. And we had small dining room, living rooms, as I recall, and sometimes as many as 40 people. I mean, backed up to the wall. And I particularly remember my mother's face got as red as that chair from the steam and the cooking and my grandmother burying the knives out in the dirt.
You know that custom? Well, maybe you should explain it. Maybe I should explain it well in case she had to use the same knife for Passover. It had to be purified in the soil from all... So how long did she leave it in the soil? That I don't remember. You just remember putting them, planting knives. I remember the shacket coming and killing the chickens in the backyard. Who was it? Oh, it was Mr. Orlowitz. Oh, really? Lena... Mr. Orlowitz was a shacket? He sure was That Lena Rosenthal father And Roselle Rosenthal Khan is Rabbi Khan wife in Houston Uh Okay Yeah her grandfather All right But we did take turns.
We celebrated birthdays. Now, when you say, so the host, did all the whole cooking or others brought to? Oh, no, no. Everybody cooked. Oh, everyone. Okay. And everyone took turns, but all of the linesmen. I mean, it wasn't just this little crew. It wasn't just the family. And it was children married and had children of their own. Everybody descended. And it was forever. No shortcut mind-sayer. Oh, that was wonderful. What about getting ready for Passover? Do you remember anything? Do I remember? Yes. It was in our house anyway. My mother had the dishes way up higher in another room, like everyone did, but it was days, days.
I remember having the measles when I was seven years old and being very, very sick. I wouldn't eat, of course, you don't when you're that sick. My mother asked me what I wanted, and I said a poached egg on toast, and my grandmother She said, go next door and fix it, and that's what she did. She was really, really bending a lot to do that. We had an icebox on the back porch, I remember, and the Iceman would come and leave a cube of ice so the little children in the family could drink milk. There was no milk in Dallas, no dairy products at all.
My father whitened his coffee with the beaten egg white. Oh. So where did you get milk? They would buy milk for the children. They're again bending, but the back porch was open. It was a screened-in porch, and the Iceman left a block of ice. And the little children ate outside. It was in the spring, it was warm. And then as they grew up, they did just like everybody else. they went in and had tea or whatever. Well that's interesting. Very strictly observed all religion And that was would you say that was sort of the norm The norm As far as I know Uh Before you were aware that was what everyone did the same thing Everyone did the same thing Who was the kosher butcher?
Well, there were two, as I recall. One was from and one was golden. That's where we used to go and that was even wonderful. They were friendly. They'd give you a pickle or at least a smile and how are you and keep up with you, you know? Pinch your cheek. Yeah, something like that. None of this plastic bag stuff. What else can I tell you about those days? And do you have any memories of Hanukkah? Was Hanukkah a big holiday or do you remember it? Well, it was in our immediate family, because my mother had unmarried sisters who would sometimes come to visit, and we would like the candles, and we would have a special dinner, latkes, I guess.
I don't remember that so much, but it was just a lot of fun. And there again, my grandmother was a wonderful woman, I guess, in retrospect. We always had candles, and we always had a gift. I don't think we had every night and what the children do now. But if Christmas coincided, my mother hung a stocking on the foot of our bed, and every morning, you know, the Christmas morning, there would be an orange and maybe a piece of candy or something. That's interesting. It is interesting. This era I don't know that much about because, as you can see, I was three years old. Do you remember about Purim?
Was that celebrated in any way? Well, yes, but my father was not a hamantash lower, so as far as the food is concerned, sometimes Lena or Ruth would bring them, or we'd buy them. But we went to services, yeah. Where would you buy them? There were bakeries on Forest Avenue. There was the New York Bakery, and there was, oh, what is her name? Yeah, Jeanette Bland is the name I was trying to think of. Kaplan. I'm doing pretty good for somebody who can't even remember her own name. Oh you doing wonderful It nice to talk about it all though And the High Holy Days do you remember anything about that Yes I do Yes I do I remember how uncomfortable the pews were in Sherath Israel those wooden seats Where was Sherath Israel?
It was near the community center on Park Avenue, the Ambassador Hotel. I remember getting a new hat every year, burning up, wearing it anyway. Did your family walk or did you ride for services or do you remember? I honestly don't remember. Automobiles, the first one in the family, I was a pretty big girl. I think maybe seven or eight years old. It would be quite a while after this. And that was my cousin on my mother's side, so everybody would go for rides. You know, that was the thing to do. Oh, yes, sure. So if your family didn't have a car, how did you get, either walk or ride a streetcar?
I rode the streetcar downtown all the time. Even when I taught school at the end of Oak Cliff, I rode over that terrible trestle where you'd just hold on like this and you know you're going to fall in the rim. And the streetcar would sway. We still have nightmares about that then. Cars were not a problem then. Maybe if we didn't have them we'd still be in South Dallas and happy. Do you remember anything about the services that they shared at Israel on the High Holy Day? Oh, and that they lasted forever? That they lasted forever. The first rabbi to make an impression on my memory was Rabbi Gold.
What kind of impression? Just that I remember him. None. He made the services too long, that's all. But I was a pretty big girl by then. The main impression I can give you of this family is one of strong family devotion, one to the other. together, and a happy, fun feeling, even when there was trouble. And then of course you know there was with a family that large. It's sort of one for all and everyone. Stuck together. Absolutely. Well, this woman, of course, replaced her mother with all of her brothers. She was like the matriarch that wasn't there anymore. Everyone had great respect for her.
Did you know her, Ruth Ackerman? No, no. She was a wonderful woman. I don't recall her at all. I don't think I did. not Rosalie or her sister either? No, no. I don't think I knew them at all. Well, they've been gone from Dallas, these two, since their marriages. Now, I was the youngest in my family, and it's possible that my sister or brothers may have known them. From what I can gather, Rosalie might be around the same age as my sister. I think Rosalie is 64, 65. Oh, she's younger than my sister. Well, at any rate, I didn't know them. I think she must have been about two and a half here, and this one about a year, because they were very close together.
Oh, uh-huh. I'm glad somebody's getting all this, because I can tell my children and they say, Mother, don't confuse me. Who's on first, you know? Ezra is buried in Cherith Israel as well and his wife Oh really And his wife is the one that I told you that I named before Right Do you know when he approximately when he passed away Around Oh, it was a very little girl, I really don't know. So, well, late twenties maybe. Oh no, much before that. Well, you said this is 1925. Yeah. Well, no, yeah, you're right. Maybe around. I don't know. Okay. In fact, I really don't remember him.
I just know that his wife passed away almost as soon as they got to this country. Didn't look very long. Of course, they were here a long time before all of these marriages. You see, my mother was born in Dallas, and she didn't marry until she was 27, 25, I think. 25. Wait a minute. Your mother? It's Hazel. Hazel, and she was born in Dallas. Was she the only... The only one born in Dallas. I'll bet. Okay. Now let me be sure. Frank. This is my father, Frank, and my mother. Wait a minute. Frank. And where is Fanny? This is Fanny married to Nathan Now Frank and Nathan are children of Ezra right All of the Reuben This is one two three four five And wait a minute, and Meyer?
And who else? Meyer and Ruth Ackerman. And Ruth? Uh-huh. Okay. And Morris the groom, if his youngest child. And Morris, okay. Morris was born in Russia? Was Ruth born in Russia? Yes. So only? All of this generation were. Cecile was not, and of course my mother was born here. I don't know if Fanny was born, but not in Europe, I don't think. Okay. So all of the children of Ezra were born in Europe. Okay. Okay. Was Lena born in Europe? In the same little village. That's right. About the Lena? That's wrong. Were they the, was any other people from their family come to the United States?
From the same village, I think that Max Silverman and... But were they related? Oh I don think they were related I wondering if Ezra had any brothers or sisters who Not that I know of I think he might have No no that was my mother family Okay. No. Not that I know of. Well... A fair family. You're saying it's a typical... Yeah. No, very typical. Yeah. It's interesting. I'd like to know myself now why they came and how they got to Dallas. But I'm sure that maybe Rosalie would know that this is her father and mother. Maybe Jack. I'll ask him when I get home.
That's who he comes up with. You know, sometimes people just don't think to ask. Someone knows it, but if they're not directly asked, they don't talk about it. There's so many things, of course, you're always sorry that you didn't ask. I don't mean like this, but we were very, very good friends of Jenny Blumenthal, and she knew Jack's family so well, and she could have told us so much. In fact, her mother and Jack's mother were related. They had the same father, different mothers. I see. Excuse me. But anyway, this will be here for us, Gary. Oh, definitely. This is wonderful. I can't thank you enough for bringing the photograph in, and also sitting and chatting and getting a little background about life as you experienced it in Dallas.