Brian Ellman
Brian Ellman was born in South Africa to parents who had both immigrated there, making him a first-generation South African. He grew up in the Free State and later attended university, developing deep memories and close ties to a large extended family. He lived in South Africa for forty-five years, married there, and had four children. Working in Port Elizabeth during a time of considerable unrest and rioting, he grew concerned that it was not a good place for his children to grow up, and this political situation ultimately drove his decision to leave.
The family initially planned to move to Israel, but a tempting research offer at a Dallas university, combined with financial circumstances tied to instability in South Africa, brought them to the United States around the end of 1977. When they left, they were permitted to take only a limited amount of money out of the country. Two of Brian's brothers had already come to America, settling in La Jolla near San Diego and in Miami, though the Miami brother later returned to South Africa. Brian's wife, a speech therapist, later ran his medical office with great efficiency until her death.
In Dallas, Brian worked extremely long hours, first at the university and later in private practice, doing original research he took pride in. When the family arrived there were very few South African families in the city, and he found the local Orthodox congregation less than welcoming, so much of the family's social life centered on the university and on the tennis world, where one of his sons became a state champion and briefly turned professional. He kept the tradition of Friday night Shabbat dinner. His four children now live in Dallas, working in interior design, medicine, law and restaurants, and he has grandchildren nearby. Having returned from a visit to South Africa, he reflected on the difficulty of starting life over in midlife while remaining grateful and content in Dallas.
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okay good morning morning my name is Brian Pillman and this is June the 9th 2015 okay Brian tell me how where was your family in the beginning what were your roots before they came to South Africa parents were both from the CNEA and both immigrated to South Africa where I was born so really the first generation South Africans and I lived there for forty five years got married in South Africa married and had four children when we immigrated what caused your decision to leave South Africa in the first place well I think it was probably political really the situation where I was working in Port
Elizabeth which was a scene of a lot of unrest and riots and I felt it was not a good place for my children to grow up at that time and we initially the initial decision was to go to Israel to God early on but then financial circumstances supervened and I had a very tempting offer to do research with at the University here which I thought tide us over for a few years so my fences so righted themselves unfortunately at that time when we were leaving was the tongue all the rats there was tremendous financial instability and problem at that time with my assets in South
Africa what were you allowed to bring or to leave with when we live South Africa we could only take our 30,000 grand which was about $45,000 at that time and that's about it's really what we could take so we just defended everything came to the States what was your family's reaction when you decided to leave what was that like the remainder both they remain awesome the family that was remaining in South Africa well I thought this be a good idea everybody said well it's wonderful that you're doing you don't do anybody else else decide to come also as well no your two brothers who lived
in America we've Jamaica before you are acting off to me oh and where did they settle well my one brother sit-ins in La Jolla in San Diego and the other brother settled in Miami and he subsequently returned to South Africa two years ago what made him make that decision there's something that's inexplicable what if anything do you miss about your homeland Oh what it's a beautiful beautiful country the climate we had wonderful Finn's and four huge very large family when I lived here and there's a closeness and a comfort zone [Music] actually been able to achieve here it's being difficult to explain you know you
can take somebody out of South Africa but you'll never take some South Africa of the person really I grew up in the Free State in Gouffran 10 which is a that's what Dallas it's the middle of the countries hi Phillip sets Drive and after I went to university we develop such wonderful memories of what were your first impressions coming to Dallas did you come here sight unseen or had you been here to look it over first I've been here once forward to meet to the University people but I really didn't know tell us and we're not carry ours that was 1970 87778 we lift at
the end of 77 and Ellis was count on her sister dusty and I was at Portland you saw twisting Harry Hines Boulevard was a which is just a stupid rules and criminals you know that's how I came to work and thought it was the interesting hospitalists it was pretty rough actually at the time but I came for a lot of reasons they were a lot many reasons and we we had trouble sickening him my wife really wants to get to Israel and so we and in my two older children went to Israel they were Antalya and they came back for my middle sentence for mitzvot
and decided doctor in to tease my baby will be back and they didn't want to get there so that was another sort of problem that arose but I've been going to Israel one an awful lot and because beautiful cases wonderful country did your wife find employment here as well when you came she actually worked for me that she didn't work she sees unless she's a speech therapist was sorry she died she was a speech therapist but didn't practice here and after I left the University and went into private practice she dared my office incredibly efficiently unfortunately she passed away are you still working in your
field no stop with can you think back a little bit on the community here when you first got here how is the Dallas Jewish community to you doing nurse they were I think there were two South African families at that time it was just nothing and I went to the Orthodox sure fear it and at that time it was Jeb or Zuko is there and did this hit the bidder he was not a very nice person and he wasn't very welcoming and it was very difficult because we didn't know anybody honestly I was working very very hard I really had no vision time to love
working literally 1820 hours a day and so we didn't have much of a social life really and everything that we drew was centered around the University and the socially it was for really hardly any laughing my kids was at that time the elder children were in Israel and the youngster at that time when I was 12 what was seven well that's good tears players the seven Iran subsequently kind of state champion and too professional for a while so we've they got really involved in the tennis world and we went terribly walked in the Jewish world which was probably a pity but was there looking back
on it that was you know it was wonderful at the time we spent without any any free time I ever spent on the tennis courts and with the tennis people and dragging my sons to tennis tournaments so we didn't really have much of a communal life unless you call the tennis community of communal life and that was that was that was pretty encompassing because beside my work there was nothing else and after my wife died my wife became the secretary of TTC's tennis and she was slated to become secretary in the USTA entailed a lot of travel after another but foolish passed away and when
she did what I taught my kids had also lift the tennis circle and they lift a void that really did just an emptiness at that point did you get involved in anything else you know I'm not going on Friday not sure but and said days golf day so it's difficult to go to shoes and fold in the Jewish community as such in there probably around the apec circle and congressional tough you know that's really enough thank oh where are your children now children are in Dennis okay and what are they doing the oldest son is a interior designer second son has somewhat handicapped he's got
vision and hearing problems he lives the lighthouse and he I think he does cost accounting I'm not sure what he's functioning really he's sitting there my little son is a physician chemical artist and he physical medicine rehab and he's been extremely successful youngest son was a lawyer and then he did an MBA and then he waited for dick watir they did market now he owns a bunch of restaurants I believe he's being successful I think so it seems to live pretty well now I'm not too young for the two older children to not get married and the young to middle and young is sunburst but
me and both have two children each so now you're lucky they're all here little babies our oldest is four so I thought I'd never have grandchildren suit I think a lot of that is wrong but wondering the things that's difficult kids my ties are not deep I don't have deep roots in Taylors let's put it that way and it's placement but the city is drawn incredibly yeah I was gonna ask you how is it changed since you got here what have you seen oh it's remarkable as I say when we came here they were doing a couple of restaurants and curry phonetic a lot of
curry and there's one curry Hassan walking good and that didn't last very long Nadia on a couple but I mean I'm told that Devin says but more response per capita than any other city in the country I believe it and driving around I believe this is a huge huge cities become a megalopolis you know I was comfortable before already was when Dennis was small and we lived in North Dallas that Ridge Drive when I first came here used to take me ten minutes to get down to the University Hospital down the toll way and I think it's pretty five cents at that time that's dollar
fifty and the Technic gems and the the body was trafficking you've got to make you know just-just we're not first came here it was very comfortable to like living in a small town you could wander around and just not nowadays if you want to do something he was planning just got a plan for the traffic you know I know do you still have close family and friends left in South Africa have they considered leaving are they staying there a lot of my family have moved mom doesn't sit while two brothers both moved to the States a large segment of our family moved to Canada and
live in Toronto another sequence that we've just Radian is a bunch in Sydney you know when we first came here we'd only been here there's a library here with my son in his Bar Mitzvah at that time 52 members of my family careful of the Messiah so you know that's that that's they all come from South Africa and 52 came from South Africa some ones in Canada camp here from Canada and subsequently a lot of lift and my generation their children have all left the younger generation of pretty much my closest goods kids are in England all over the place Australia I've just been in
South Africa no or just came back and it was wonderful it was of amorphous moths that's wait six weeks and pretty happily but this is feeling like easiness now this is 38 years of tar lift and before everybody was any comfortable very comfortable lifestyle now everybody's behind barbed wire big walls and Jimmy well they said they're very happy and they're doing three will they will say well this one got one much longer to me that's very said done settling also I mean everybody is making preparation and it's it's probably difficult because what I did was crazy you don't pick up in midlife and are we
just literally start again that's very difficult I mean that it's difficult you know we need a refugee and you're running away from something that's one set of sequences when they leave voluntarily and you and doing something that youth giving up an extremely comfortable good lifestyle surrounded by what a family and friends and going to complete started given extremely difficult I don't think you've never really succeed you because you don't have them roots the basis I mean those kids that you went to kindergarten this the kids that you would schools you don't hit that my kids have got a lot of fields that they're made here
we know because they were at school here and there with University College not the old you know they managed to create a lifestyle I'm still South African in in my mannerisms My heavens why thinking difficult I mean I I listen to people say that you know would I go there question authorities would I then go back I said hang on a second I said on ice it was wonderful I miss it on you know we're back now so along that line describe what it was like to get your US citizenship well I didn't come here with intent of becoming a u.s. citizen I mean I had dream Corps I had a green card I was carrying two folders one with Israeli papers one side of me compacted I saw her head you know Avenue the pathway to citizenship was open and just to just sort of flow naturally it's not something without this is god-given wonderful situation just just happened I mean in fact when I was coming here there's knitting intend to stay here I had no intention of staying in the States there's not are we now had a wonderful opportunity go back to Great Britain to tame them to wicked Wilson for which is we're awkward before but
I really mama and I first wanted to go into Vinny's room and that's no good saying I wish I had I wish I hadn't it's what I thought that our Father has been goodies unfortunately I was fairly successful I think I was pretty successful I put a lot of practice Clinic which I did some very good research work here which is original researchers such as financially it was good you know but unfortunately after my wife died there's a void and what if any South African Jewish traditions have you brought here with you and do you think your children will carry them on well I go
to shul on Friday night that said that was a tradition that we had and you know when I grew up Friday not Shabbat dinner was very important and we had Shabbat dinner when we came to stage because of this huge dislocation my kids had a tremendous dislocation we do need to insist and that participated itself I think that's unfortunate and I think the I mean excellent tennis we also created a lot of difficulty in terms of Jewishness but that's it you make choices you make choice as you went along you did things you know instead of being rich respected one has to be prospective and
see what can happen in the future so dr. Elman any closing words that you'd like to add to the interview fortunate to come to me I'm very grateful to be very good for me and I'm thrilled to be happy here of content and I have a lot of things going on my lifestyle is basically between Markoff and my Jewish activities thank you so much for doing this you