Carol Alkek
Carol was born in Dallas in 1941 to parents who had emigrated from Germany. Her father, born in 1901, was a pediatrician whose own father served as a cantor in a small German town. Her mother, born in 1906, came from a wealthy lumber family that had been baptized, and she was raised Lutheran, learning of her Jewish heritage from her maternal grandmother; she later converted to marry Carol's father. As a Jew and a Bnai Brith president, Carol's father was arrested in Germany, and after his release he and his wife came to the United States in January 1938. Much of the family perished or was scattered by the war: one of Carol's uncles died in Auschwitz, her grandparents endured multiple concentration camps, and her paternal grandfather, the cantor, died just weeks before he was to sail to America. Her paternal grandmother later came to live with the family in Dallas.
In Dallas, Carol's father completed a new residency and, after the war took the first Dallas pediatrician's son into the army, was hired into that established practice, later going into private practice and teaching at Southwestern Medical School, where he was repeatedly voted favorite teacher. Carol grew up with a younger sister, attended Bradfield Elementary, Highland Park Junior High, and Highland Park High School, graduating in 1959. She studied Spanish and German at the University of Texas at Austin, earned a teaching certificate, and graduated in 1963. She married David Alkek, of Lebanese descent, who converted to Judaism, and the couple lived in Irving, then Philadelphia, where he completed a dermatology residency and where their first child was born in 1967. They later returned to Dallas, where their second child was born. After her marriage ended in divorce, Carol went to work in 1980 for Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Texas, moving from training claims processors into corporate training, which she did for about 28 years.
Music and Jewish life were central to Carol's family; she grew up at Temple Emanu-El, was confirmed in 1956, and sang in its choir for many years, later joined by her mother, sister, and her musically gifted father. She served as a vice president of the National Council of Jewish Women, sat on the board of the American Jewish Committee, and volunteered with the council's thrift shop and with Temple Emanu-El's caring congregation, visiting hospitalized members. Carol considered her civil rights work her most important contribution. Influenced by her immigrant parents' lack of prejudice and by Rabbi Olan, she belonged to the NAACP, marched, and participated in sit-ins. As a student at the University of Texas she partnered with Barbara Jordan to challenge the segregated Varsity Theater, which was integrated the following day. She remains committed to the National Council of Jewish Women and to advocacy for immigrants.
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Carol 1941 Dallas Texas not too far back let's go back though with you're a little girl what do you remember about this I remember having a little sister when I was 18 months old I sort of remember stories about it I remember that my parents were from Germany we would invite people over to listen to my father's accent he had you know orange and we would say say orange daddy and he was apple I remember the neighbors that we had I remember thinking that I just heard that my parents were from Germany and we were all with Germany and I was really confused about that
you know the neighbors wanted to play war and I had to be the German so that confused me what is your dad do for life he was a pediatrician okay do you remember any stories about him coming over your mom coming over I know a lot of stories about that my father was born in 1901 my mother in 1906 they met my father was in medical school when they met my mother was studying social work they got married and actually my mother's family was owned a Lumber Company they were wealthy and therefore my grandfather which is I'm not proud of but I understand it had
everybody baptized so my mother was actually brought up as a Lutheran the only reason she knew she was Jewish was from her maternal grandmother who would take her to services and she did know my father on the other hand his father was a cantor in a small town in Germany and they were very involved as being Jews in the small town my mother had to actually convert to marry my dad even though genetically or whatever she was Jewish but she had to convert my dad was in practice and he was president of Bnei breath and he was arrested because he was Jewish but they let
him out they weren't organized yet so they let him out of jail and that's when he and my mother came to the United States January of 1938 1938 trouble was already stuff trouble was started in he tried he and she tried to get their parents to leave their families to leave but they weren't going to leave they came here because there was a actually cousin of my father's who had come here in the early 1900s and he was able to get them the papers or the visa or whatever and they so they came directly to New York to Dallas they never lived anywhere else they
lose contact with their family back in Germany no they didn't lose contact with them the my mother was the oldest and had three brothers one of the brothers was a banker and he was flown out of the no excuse me there were no planes he went by ship the German banker chibok sent him on a ship to South America and he went to first he went to I'll think of it Montevideo and then they ended up in Argentina and then his brother followed him and came all this was right before or right when the war was really going on right and the third brother died
in Auschwitz my mother's parents her mother died of a heart attack after she came here about the time she was on the boat or about the time she got here and my grandfather her father then went you know he wasn't Jewish supposedly in his mind but according to Hitler he was and so he was in seven concentration camps as were my paternal grandparents they were off I guess because they came from the same I moved around to the same concentration camps but they ended up in France and they were not in an extermination camp so after the war they were going to come here my
parents got the my visa and three weeks before the boat sailed my grandfather the cantor died of a heart attack and that was I remember when that happened I remember my father crying I remember I remember that pretty well almost one of my first memories because I must have been about three or four did you grandmother ever come over then she had died of the heart attack okay but then there that was my mother's parents my father's family he had one brother who did come over here right after Kristallnacht and lived in Dallas and had twins three months older than I so they were the
family that we had here plus the one two cousins of my dad's my grandparents then his parents were in those concentration camps and his brother had come here right after Kristallnacht do you know the name of the camp's new marine I do not I know one is Greer's and one is they probably would come to me in the middle of the night and I'll call you talk about this at all to you a little bit but not a lot my grandmother came and lived with us and so she there really wasn't much discussion about it other than I knew that she had been in some
trauma I mean it was really young and we started locking our front door which we never did in Dallas but she was very frightened that Hitler was going to come back and so there was a lot of fear she also liked I remember her very well I have fond memories was she prayed every day and she had her little prayer book and I remember on the High Holidays I would see her doing the confession and now temple Emmanuel has started doing that again my father was a pediatrician so he came here and did a residency again he needed to learn the language he knew the
language my parents both spoke English but of course it they needed to improve and he did a new residency and had wonderful funny experiences there I mean he had an Italian friend who just really gave him a hard time when the war when America went into the war the first pediatrician in Dallas was Hugh Leslie Moore and his son Robert Moore had to go to the army so Hugh Leslie Moore hired my dad to come into his office which was just a fabulous break and I cannot tell you how wonderful people were to my parents in this country but they they it was a very
tough time and they're you know it's not sometimes in having contact sometimes not having contact with their families but the break that he got was going into this practice and then he went out into private practice on his own and he later taught at the medical school he was very well-liked and was elected that favorite teacher every year for I don't how many years it was a medical school Southwestern Medical School in Dallas now you mentioned that a lot of stories with you and your sister but it's the tell us a couple of them well let's start when she was a baby and the stories
that I've been told she's how much younger than 18 months I think I was in a big bed she was in a crib at the time because we shared a room always we share the rooms all the way through high school but at one point how my mother came in and I was just getting ready to pour I had filled my shoe with water and I was just getting ready to pour it on the baby when my mother came in and rescued and I said she was thirsty she was crying and she was thirsty and I was gonna give her some water oh shoot been
wanting to drown her but I don't know you know I was only 18 that's all but I was gonna give her some water I remember that she would wake up at the same time every night and she would go into my mother and she would go put her hand on her face and say go mommy are you still here and then go back to bed and they did all kinds of things to keep her from waking up until my father woke up and when he woke up he got mad and she never did it again my mother dressed us alike we would brought up almost
like one individual with two bodies which was not good I think we had we were very close but we probably had resentment but we were very close and we were always together and I felt like I was always rescuing her at camp when she was so homesick when she didn't want to stay at school on and on and on and I'm sure most of the memories that I have are not all the wonderful happy ones because I'm sure there were some we belong to a country club and we would go out there and swim she borrowed my brand-new car and wrecked it not bad just
a little when I got married my father back into that car the weekend of the wedding it's funny now and it was even kind of funny then when my father did my car I mean it wasn't so funny when my sister because you know it was like this car's brand-new and I did I did I did now I went to Holland Park High School I went through all the Highland Park schools from Bradfield Elementary Highland Park junior high which is now McCulloch and Highland Park High School graduated in 59 was high school life like high school life was different when I was living it then
in retrospect when I was living it it was fine I had I was very shy which is hard for people to believe now I would I would at a very low self-esteem I just remember just kind of thinking of funny things to say but I never would say them I went through I knew people and I you know I was when I was happy to be there happy to go to that school I have since been genius and a couple of things have come to mind one is that there was more anti-semitism than I thought there was I just didn't really look for it or
find it but and the reunions people many people seem to be very warm and really liked me and I'm going really you know but in retrospect I see more of what what was wrong with school district and also what I benefited what was it that you would do maybe with your sister that you would just die if you thought your parents knew you guys were doing that I think I think we were so open my parents knew everything I really do our family very open to the point that everything was discussed I don't really think that we were that rebellious then maybe later you're growing
up through a turbulent time after high school did that affect you at all the turbulent 60s not so much because I think I I got married in 1964 graduated from college in 63 went to Houston to teach got engaged in college I'm with the University of Texas in Austin and majored in Spanish and German and had a teaching certificate and went to Houston I was out of school to the Spring Branch School District which was quite a bit like the Holland Park School District is that we met David I met him he was in medical school here and I worked at the medical school library
in the summer between my I think maybe sophomore and junior year and we started dating then he was also not Jewish his name is Alltech he is of Lebanese descent he did convert to be Jewish but I don't know whether he's still Jewish I mean I think he sort of considers himself Jewish I don't know the words you guys settle down yeah we got married in the first year we were married we lived in Irving because I taught in Irving and you had to live in Irving to teach there it was also very close to the medical school so we lived there for two years
he did his residency at Baylor Hospital and then we moved to Philadelphia we lived in Philadelphia for three years that's where he did is a dermatology residency at Temple skin and cancer hospital and he didn't want anyone there to know that he was not Jewish from birth he hadn't converted yet but we were charter members of Temple Shalom and at Temple Shalom it was really a wonderful experience because we had these meetings we didn't have a rabbi we were deciding do we want bar mitzvahs do we not he was very active and so he actually when we did have services was on the Bema and
our friends gave a Bar Mitzvah party for him after he was up there and everybody gave him a fountain pen so I remember that but in in Philadelphia he did not want people to know that he wasn't Jewish and he was the one who knew the blessings they knew the prayers and the other people didn't I was Wonder for you in Philadelphia I loved the winter in Philadelphia but that was because I was from Dallas and the little children in the neighborhood we lived in a kind of a nice apartment area with a lot of young families and they would come to my door and
see if I could come out and play because I loved the snow and we would do all kinds of things my firstborn was born in Philadelphia in 67 and people would bundle up the babies put them outside in their buggies and go inside is the babies needed fresh air covers them we had some cut we made some kind of a slaw that we would take him across the street to the grocery store all kinds of things I loved there's a winner there so there is no fear back in those days of patrol with a baby outside by oh no no no no no as a
matter of fact you know when we were growing up I mean we were always outside here and playing outside and walking to school and there was just never any back to Dallas we wanted to come back I think mostly because we had family here his family was in Victoria Texas he had been doing some locum tenens and taking the part of doctors in Dallas in the summer and so we came back here he was stationed at Carswell Air Force Base and Fort Worth and we bought a house on the west side of Dallas and all the Fox and Jacobs accent houses and he commuted over
to Fort Worth because he didn't have any red lights like you didn't Philadelphia it was easier commute than it had been in Philadelphia and the second child was born here at Presbyterian mm-hmm okay their marriage ended in the divorce right and pick up from there for you you know did you go to work then yes I had to go to work and I didn't know what I would be doing but I was able to get a job with Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Texas in the training department 1980 is when I went to work and there was a friend here from Dallas at Balaban
who worked there and who got me the interview and I went in and I was hired now not at that time yet to be in the training department but I was I had the first level of claims processors who came out of training and then after that I was promoted as supervisor of the training I had been advised not to teach kids even though I've been teaching I taught school in Irving in Houston and then in Irving and then substitute taught while I was in Philadelphia and people said when after I came back and was divorced you don't do service to your own children when
you're with children all day long try to so I would turned it into corporate training and really stayed there 28 years what was the happiest time in your life the last five years where I've had a wonderful significant other in my life and it's the most recent so that's what I think of I've pretty much had a good attitude all along it was her invention in your lifetime that came along that you went Wow how did we ever get along without that the television comes to mind but I don't watch television and the whole thing with cellphones and computers and technology that I really don't
understand but I take advantage of every year so car that everybody in the family wreck but you what was that a Dodge Dart light blue Dodge Dart that was I bought myself maybe a thousand or does that be possible maybe less probably less I know my parents bought a house in University Park and they bought it for $12,000 so the car was probably a lot less than that but I don't remember now in your lifetime you've lived through so many momentous occasions you know of course President Kennedy assassination something good the moon landing for the first time in 69 the tragedy of 9/11 is there
something that stood out in your lifetime that she went Wow I know exactly where it was the day it happened that oh no well I certainly know where I was today Kennedy was assassinated because I was teaching school in a very Republican neighborhood in Houston and the news came across about one o'clock that he had actually died and one of the girls who was in junior high when I was teaching eighth seventh and eighth grade was just cheering she was just really happy because she had heard nothing but bad things about Kennedy and I remember taking her by her shoulders and looking at her and
saying don't ever be happy that the president of our country was killed and I bet she hadn't forgotten me there was also one student that I had who was just fabulous she was in the 8th grade she was outstanding she was a Jewish girl and Pat Kalman's and I had a lot of warmth for her I always wondered what happened to her and there's been a lot of things that have happened in my life that I would say they were be shared but she I was at a funeral about three years ago a graveside in San Antonio and the person next to me turned around
to introduce herself and she said hello I'm Pat Kalman's and I go half Kalman's but when I told her you know I was Carol Brooke sailor at the time we just had this wonderful reunion and she had all these wonderful memories of me and it told her husband about me so that was really and there's been several things like that I've had wonderful experiences where I was able to meet Adenauer konrad adenauer when we were in germany and got his autograph there was a concert that Van Cliburn did I'm very much into classical music and he was going to do a concert right after he
won the Tchaikovsky and I couldn't get tickets they were sold out immediately it was the concert was at the high school so that day what we used to do for fun was to go downtown on the bus girls and we would have lunch and we would go to a movie and then come back well that particular day one of the girls wanted to buy some sheet music for her playing the piano so we went to whittles music company we've done that before and we heard this beautiful playing so we kind of wandered back they had a lot of rooms and they had pianos in them
and there was Van Cliburn and his mother practicing for his concert it was like a living room and they motioned that we could come in we sat down and we listened to his concert in a private room and we were able to get his autograph are you involved with the Jewish community very involved was a Jewish community probably not as much as I used to be I grew up a temple Emmanuel I went all the way through Sunday school and was confirmed there we didn't do barn bat mitzvahs yet as I was confirmed in 1956 I was at the old temple on South Boulevard and
then we had Sunday school at SMU for a while and then we I was at the dedication of the temple that exists now I sang in the choir I sang in the Junior Choir and then moved into the Senior Choir when I was 14 and sang in that choir off and on because I went away I went to college I lived in Philadelphia but but you know most of the time when I would be in town for 52 years and that was very important because the music was important to me after I joined the choir my mother and my sister joined and my father who
was very musical played the piano beautifully if he had couldn't have passed the state boards in Texas for Pediatrics he was going to go to Hollywood to play the piano for movies that was what he wanted to really played well he was the page turner for the organist at Temple emanu-el so it was a little family affair yeah the two children and you have two grandkids yes what advice does grandma have for the next generation what I wish for my grandchildren is that they would be more well rounded they're very into sports but there's so much out there there's so much that I would want
them to avail themselves of as much as they possibly can I certainly want them to be good use I think if there is such a thing as a sin it would be giving up being Jewish after everything that my family went through I feel very strongly about Judaism I have been active in the Jewish community in that before I had to go to work I was vice president of counsel National Council of Jewish women that was on the board of the American Jewish Committee I was very involved in the thrift shop that the council had youth group was very important to me that was a
real benefit I act when I went to work I continued to do some things for council me on the pace committee etc but I have not been as active I do volunteer for temple Emmanuel and what's called caring congregation and I love that going to the hospital and visiting people who are hospitalized that our members of Temple and I'm in a book club where everyone's Jewish and many of the people just want to read Holocaust books not really but a lot of them play mahjong that's Jewish thanks for doing this today well thank you it's a great job well you could question her you are
and I thank you good morning my name is Joe Rheingold interviewing Carol Alcock today is Tuesday September 10th 2019 and carol has some things she'd like to add to her interview that was done prior to this date Carol take it away I wanted to add this because when I was filmed before the photographer led me into talking about when Martin Luther King was assassinated or actually when the School Book Depository when Kennedy was shot and I had a lot to say about that but I thought later that the most important thing that I have done the history of Dallas and Judaism has to do with
civil rights I was very very involved in civil rights I my parents were from Germany and so they did not have any of the prejudice that a lot of people came with rabbi Holden was very very influential on me and the people that I associated with I had my mother had a housekeeper who was very important to me she was black she had a daughter who was black and we were like friends I didn't understand why I couldn't take her daughter to University Park swimming pool it was kind of like I can't so it was like strange for me I used to go with him
downtown but we have to go through back doors we would there was a little place we could eat her aunt ran an elevator in one of the hotels but when the laws were passed was particularly for interstate commerce she picked me up I was in the teenager she picked me and my sister up with her daughter she was dressed beautifully with her hat and we went and hey if the Adolphus hotel and it was so moving during that time there were water fountains that separate from labeled white and colored there were all kinds of restrictions so I was going to mention that my dad just
going to that was the pediatrician and he had two separate waiting rooms contrary to other doctors who had a waiting room for whites and a waiting room for blacks he had a waiting room for well kids and another one for sick kids so that the sick kids did not so it had nothing to do with color with color I was very active in civil rights I belonged to the NAACP I marched I sat in and it was an exciting time it really was an exciting time to sat in on the lunch counter do you remember what year around when this was the mid to late
50s this is when I was still in high school and then the most important thing was that when I was in Austin and you know very very you know active interested the I was in University of Texas the drag main drag had one movie theater called the varsity theater and it was not integrated we went in partnership a white person and a black person choose a ride ticket and I would say I'd like to have a ticket for me and my friend and they would say we cannot let you tell your friend a ticket we went to the end of the line lines not longer
the pair's guy my partner was Barbara Jordan and to me that was just such an amazing highlight that I've never forgotten so I would say that those things and probably many more I was in my I called her she'll tell my housekeeper I was in her daughter's wedding it just was not anything that was in my upbringing the whole southern I don't want to say the word segregation to the segregation but talents who in your words who is who did Barbara Jordan grow up to be a virgin Ella got grew up to be a very important political person in Texas she was very influential most
people who have been in Texas know her she later on was was paralyzed she was in an accident she was always in a wheelchair but never never gave up the fight she is is an icon for people who were involved in particularly black leaders she was excellent mm-hmm anything else you want to wrap up with what are you involved in these days that that ties your links to civil rights that type of movement well right now I'm very very very involved with the National Council of Jewish women and council has a lot of the values that I grew up with amazing kinds of activities and
we were really involved with the integration problem that's a different one now a little different but still the problem is there I think we thought we had conquered it in the early 60s and it's the whole thing is still going on but particularly what we're doing with immigrants to come into this country that is a very important issue for me my parents were immigrants and lots of people's parents or immigrants and I find it really painful that we as a country are doing the kinds of things that we are doing and turning people away so that's mostly how I still am involved well thank you
very much it's a wonderful addition hey she ain't you coming okay okay what I wouldn't want to say that after this standing at the University of Texas the varsity theater the next day the theater was integrated see how anyone could buy tickets so I'm gonna talk about quick action you had quite an impact all of you that's wonderful you