Carole Ross Greenberg
Carole was born in 1937 in Dallas at Florence Nightingale hospital, which later became Baylor Hospital. Her family history stretched back to immigrant grandparents and great-grandparents from Lithuania and Germany. One grandfather from Vilnius, Lithuania studied to become a rabbi in Germany, fell in love with the daughter of the family housing him, and left for the United States as war loomed, settling in St. Louis with her grandmother, whose maiden name was Meyerson. Her father, the youngest of seven, grew up poor and worked in the family cigar shop after his bar mitzvah. On the other side, a great-grandfather peddled his way to affluence in Texas, and her grandmother arrived as a child, cared for by the Salvation Army until family could be found in Fort Worth.
Carole grew up in Highland Park, attending Bradfield on Mockingbird and living on Larchmont when Lovers Lane marked the northern edge of the city. She remembers a childhood of freedom, before air conditioning, and the excitement when the neighborhood got its first television. During World War Two her father worked in a war plant while keeping his business open, and both parents served as air raid wardens. She was very active in BBYO, serving as president of BBG chapter 300, which later became known as Jennie Zesmer. She met her husband Jack on New Year's Eve after two years of college at the University of Texas and the University of Miami, and they married at the Baker Hotel in 1956.
Carole worked her entire life, spending 20 years as office manager of the family textile company and, since 1977, in the jewelry business, while her husband Jack ran a ladies ready-to-wear store for larger sizes. On the day of the Kennedy assassination she was working on the seventh floor at 501 Elm Street, directly across from the Book Depository and above photographer Abe Zapruder, and she remains skeptical of the official findings. She recalled the segregated water fountains near her family's business and the hostility Dallas residents faced abroad after the assassination. All of her three children and seven grandchildren were born in Dallas and live close by, and she credits her long, full life to family, faith, and the golden rule of treating others as you wish to be treated.
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Carol 1937 Dallas Texas the city has changed a little bit hesitant well at that time I wouldn't know what it was like I was a little too small don't worry about my surroundings what do you remember when you were little well first i was born in Florence Nightingale which then became baylor hospital and then I first remember I guess I was about three years old taking dancing lessons and doing a recital and after that I remember going to grade school and we were born and raised in the park cities and I remember my on my grade school days and with the bradfield it was a small school on mockingbird we lived on larchmont when the last street north at that time was Lovers Lane wow wow yeah exchange a little bit not as just a little tell me about your grandparents what do you remember about that okay I knew both sets well one grandmother in st.
Louis I know my grandfather had passed away previously my father was the youngest of seven siblings his older sister was 22 and he was born so it seems like every four years there was a baby being born and my grandparents were refugees they fled from Germany my grandfather was from Vilnius Lithuania and he went that to study as a rabbi in Germany in the german jewish families house the lithuanian young men who came to study well then the war was going to come things are looking bad and also he fell in love with the daughter of the home where they were housing them and that was a no-no Jewish people that were German descent did not marry below them so they decided they would leave and come to the United States which they did and they came to the states and ended up in st.
Louis my grandmother had two brothers there her maiden name was Meyerson and there was the good brother and the bad brother which is always the story the bad brother she was disowned there was no way in the world that she was going to get any help from him but the good brother helped her and would see her it on the sly and give her extra money because my grandparents were extremely poor my grandfather owns a little cigar shop and he still continued being a rabbi but my father used to tell me the story when he was bar Mitzvahed as soon as it was over he
had to go work at the cigar store because they needed the money he also was a runner for all the mobsters in San Luis and he grew up there and he was telling me this in his 90s but all of his friends as he ran around with all joined them up he was the only exception of course they were all murdered during that time did he ever tell you any of the mobster names anybody we had recognized I'm sure there were people you would recognize they meant nothing to me yeah what about your grandparents known the others my great-grandfather came over from Europe he wanted
to settle here so he could bring his family over he left a wife a daughter and two young sons and he was one of the peddlers it started out going place to place finally got a wagon once he got his wagon he then became you know very affluent and the eyes many of the women and he was a gigolo he had a lady friend at every single little town that he stopped in so he was always well taken care of and had a lot of food and a lot of love and I'm sure and then times changed my grandma great grandmother in Europe passed away
and the daughter who was then 12 and a little boy five and a little boy three were sent to the u.s. to the be with her dad surprised they got here they couldn't find them so I'm very much indebted to the Salvation Army the salvation or I mean those days took them in fed them house them until they could find the father and also in the olden days you would if there was a single sister you would marry her to take care of the children which is what he did so he was still apparently a gigolo but he did remarry and have aunt Bella take care of the kids and raise them tonight how did the kids come here did they come back by themself how old
were they 12 five and three what year was it now when they came by themselves the kids I am guessing of the eighteen-hundreds lady like la eighteen hundreds okay okay and so when they arrived they went to the Salvation Army tournament that's right I didn't even realize the Salvation Army was around in those years but because of the Salvation Army that's why I'm here because they were able to survive and live until they could find the father when they found their father he was settled in Fort Worth so that's where they settled was this a surprise to him a shot at the door oh yes
I don't think he thought he was ever going to see that family again so it was a very interesting situation my grandmother grew up in Fort Worth then with her brothers she married my grandfather who also came from Lithuania and they eventually opened a men's clothing store and Fort Worth and also ladies ready-to-wear then they started buying property and then the Great Depression hit and they lost the majority of everything during the Great Depression and her brothers both went into the oil and gas business and became extremely well to do so it's the real American story how someone with poverty level comes in and was
self-taught that they can amount to something my grandmother never finished any high school education but she was an avid reader and whenever she wanted to know something she would go to the library so after they were married that you actually moved to Dallas to open a business with my father who had met my mother on New Year's Eve mary dru january twenty fourth and they stayed married for 63 years and they came to dallas and she decided she wanted to build a home in Highland Park so she went to the library and studied architecture and learned everything she could about it so that she would
notice how the men what to do when to do it and why they were doing it now we brought them to Dallas she married my father had moved to Dallas and Fort Worth at that time wasn't that far away but it was still an hour or an hour and a half drive because the roads weren't so they decided to move here and my grandfather sold the store went into business with my father the textile business and he say then that until he passed away hmm and what did you do for fun as a little girl what was your typical day my typical day was we
knew nothing about what anyone else had everybody was friends if you were friends no matter if someone's father owned a major company or you didn't have a lot of money because over different world back then you could leave the house in the morning not come home till dinnertime there was no air conditioning so we had fans going and I remember when my grandmother got a water cooler fan in her house I mean that was just unbelievable and then I was the first one they put a big carrier unit in my bedroom when I was about oh I guess 11 or 12 years old and that
would cool most of the upstairs of our house and the downstairs we had another one I remember when we got the first TV in the neighborhood and it was a productive rejection TV that meant that it was flat like a table and you would lift it up and it was an enormous screen everyone in the neighborhood came over what were those TV shows you were watching that horse ed Sullivan no that was the main one but what was really interesting they had a lot of wrestling on and my grandfather and his best friend loved wrestling so they would get so excited and he's sitting forward
in the chairs they would fall out of the chairs when somebody was getting grabbed yeah now World War two came along when you were a little girl yes did that affect your family at all it affected my family because my father kept his business open but he went to work in the war plant and my mother and the business so basically the thing I remember most about the war is my parents were air raid wardens and I know most people have no idea what an air raid warden is they would put on their heavy helmets turn out all the lights in all the neighborhood and
they would patrol the streets now what were they what were they actually looking for they were actually looking for in case bombers came over they would make sure that the lights are out they didn't see something that they would want to hit gotcha now your brother was older than you but not still not old enough though he should he's two and a half years older than I okay and so he's a little boy we were all small you had a story about your aunt Celia she worked for a lot of different organizations bringing in the refugees from i guess it was any place but mainly
i guess from germany and from all over Europe and she brought them in through South America with San Paolo was first named as a city it was that far back she also helped bring people in through Galveston she was also the one that was working to bring the ship in that they wouldn't let land and eventually everyone died on the ship because they were sending them back I also have another aunt her name is Malcolm worked for the State Department for the State of Israel and they were very involved over there but interestingly enough he was an atheist what I supposed to go to my
dog park high school actually I started I was born and raised in home park with the bread filled and the junior hide in the high school and I was very active in BBG in the years that I was growing up aza and BBG were very big they did not have names in I was president of the chapter three hundred which then became Jenny's esmer and then a strange thing happened my son married he married Sharon levain his grandmother was gymnase s4 so it's funny how things work out yeah yeah now were you dating in high school oh yes and those days you dated you didn't
grow in groups oh yes we had we all went out to Luann's to dance over in Greenville and I mean it would be something major somebody had a bear but that wasn't me what was your a music back then who are the artists that you guys would play well anything that was from the 40s but mainly my music was the 50s I mean I love the 50s because it brings back memories of where I was what I was doing so it was every group that was in the 50s now the Jewish community became important to you have you seen it evolve in Dallas well it's
totally different when I grew up we went to Temple manual we have always lived in Holland Park so for us to go to Sunday School that there was Preston Hollow drug store it was on the corner of druid lane and preston and everyone would meet there on sunday morning my grandfather and parents would all go for coffee and we have a chartered bus and the charter bus took us to South Dallas and we went to Sunday School and then we came back now if you're going to be confirmed you had to go on saturday mornings that was another story we carpooled but when I was
in high school my English teachers husband had a funeral home on I guess it was South Boulevard and we would skip services and go down and visit her and see where the crematorium was and all to see what went on with a funeral because we had no idea what did you find found that we didn't like it now you remember getting your first car I didn't get my first car really mine alone until we were married okay now when did you meet your husband met my husband on New Year's Eve and I was dating someone else and planning on getting married to this other man
and met him and broke up with the guy the next day and we didn't go out until I came back from school and we dated three weeks and we were married for weeks later and it's also interesting my grandmother was thrilled because she her best friend was my husband's aunt who he happened to be living with at that time Wow well now was this in high school when you met him no I met him after I had two years of college okay where were you going to go now with the University of Texas one year and then the University of Miami ok and so where
did you meet Jack I'm at Jack and Dallas ok and was it a function or it was a party that Jack and about 10 other young men were giving for New Year's Eve and they also did the most awesome thing Jack was in charge of entertainment so he entertained I had all of the entertainers from North Texas coming in to be interviewed and he interviewed one group who was really a great group and he hired him for a hundred dollars turned out to be Trini Lopez for a hundred dollars you got trini lopez to perform with his whole group wow that's amazing so now you
see Jack you're dating somebody else but you see Jack so what are you thinking I thought when help me tell my mother I met the man i'm really gonna marry and she said to you are you crazy and so what a jack think about this one what was his thoughts i guess his thoughts were much more like mine because we didn't date very long and he had said to me well i really don't want you to go out with anyone else and my comment was well if i'm not going out with anyone else we may as well be married and then when you guys got
married where did you settle down well first getting married was a very interesting story the temple had been sold the South Dallas we did all of our services at fair park for the High Holidays so there was no temple to be married in so we were married at the Baker hotel tell me about your wedding now my wedding was I was always very very conservative and at the time my mother was president of the sisterhood of temple manual my father was the president of the Brotherhood and if I had had a big wedding we would had a lot of people that I didn't know and
they didn't know me so my parents gave me a choice and they said would you like a small family wedding will give you a new car or would you like a big wedding well I wasn't any dummy I took the car not so that was your first part that's why what kind of car was there we had the neatest car it was a plymouth convertible with long tails on the back it was a first push button it didn't have a gearshift you pushed the buttons but didn't always work if you push the button say aught went all the way in so it was always seeming
to be at this somewhere in the shop now where did you guys get married we were married in 1956 ok now did you finish school or no I got my mrs ok ok ok so you become a stay at home mom you go to work no I went to work I've worked my entire life I worked with my parents for 20 years I was office manager of our textile company also over the other girls in the office did all the bookkeeping sold learned how to fix machines when you're in a small family business you wear a lot of many hats what business the Jacqueline to
jack on the ladies ready-to-wear a store it and press the center when press the center first open many many moons ago and it was for large size women and there weren't many stores that catered to large size women and he had every bankers wife everyone that was a little bit oversized they could really find neat things there so he was very busy with these women and the woman his family owned the Dallas Morning News Angie Lee Jackson would come in lift her skirt over her head and yell I'm dressed from head to toe by Jacques house dale has changed over the years well the difference
in dallas now is the majority of people have moved north when i grew up there were two high schools basically the people went to either holland park or later when i was in my junior year I think it was at Holland Park Hill crist open and since our temple was sold to a black congregation the South Dallas was moving in to bmoreblakk so the white people it wasn't white flight it was fact the synagogues and the temples were over here people wanted to be close with it so they moved to North Dallas no do you remember racial tensions you know in Dallas absolutely I grew
up where my family's business was two blocks on elm street from what was then sire Harris and you would walk into the store and there were water fountains so v1 mark colored and when Mark whites the same way with restrooms and nobody crossed that line yeah different time and then the different time was my mother would buy her groceries at the department store and then they would it would be in the basement and he's find out all over Europe the department stores have grocery markets and their stores usually on the first floor are on their basement and the you would back your car up and
then they would send the all the groceries down a chute and it would lie in there and he pick them up and put them in your car and off here we go Kennedy assassination how'd that affect you that's really an interesting thing our office building at that time was 501 Elm Street I was on the 7th floor directly across the street from the Book Depository Abe's a cruder who took all the pictures was directly beneath me at the same window on the sixth floor that's where all the manufacturing companies were so when Kennedy was killed we were all watching now you saw they saw him
you saw the car speed off but he was so far away you did not see what actually happened to this day I don't agree with the theory of Oswald killing Kennedy I feel that if he shot out of a window that was right next door to me there would have been some kind of flash of some sort and I never saw it have no idea what really happened just know i don't agree with the findings now did you ever get to speak to a supporter oh yes we I grew up with his kids okay what did they say about the you know about his films
he wasn't allowed to say anything really they took the film from him right away and I guess everyone wanted everyone to be quiet so I never watched the film until it became public so they had him stay quiet and his family had a steak why I think so wow that's his son became I believe a judge in DC I know he was a lawyer in DC hmm okay now your children tell me about your kids well all of our children were born in Dallas of our grandchildren born in Dallas everybody lives 10 minutes from each other we're one of the few families that everyone has
stayed in one place we're very fortunate and I still work and I've been working in the jewelry business since 1977 my husband retired 15 years and he puts up with me that's good happiest time in your life gosh living all the time I am always thrilled every morning when I wake up I'm alive and I can go do things love being with my kids love being around the grandchildren no I'm not a babysitter I took care of my kids that's up to them to do it we of course help all the time but that's not what my job is my job is to enjoy them
and have fun now you know we mentioned the Kennedy assassination but in your lifetime there's been so many momentous occasions on the national scene some good some not so good of course the moon landing something good in 69 you lived through World War 2 of course the tragedy of 911 there's something else that really affected you or your family well I will go back to Kennedy my parents were going to Europe and they had on their baggage tags Dallas Texas when people would see that on their tags in the airports or else on hotels they booed them they were really against anyone that was from
Dallas and it was really tough to go abroad at that time well how'd that make you feel when you found that out being in there the same way that racism makes me feel very sad because nobody is responsible for anything and everybody is the same as everyone else but there's always someone looking for someone to make them look smaller just to give that person a inch of feeling better now the Jewish community in Dallas has really grown do you have any advice for the community itself as a whole well not really advice but what's interesting is that when I grew up almost every Jewish family
knew everybody there were ten thousand Jews at that time and people went to the j / in south dallas but it certainly didn't get the action it gets over here today the Jewish congregations I think our wonderful there's many many of them I find the assimilation is terrific at the j because my granddaughter's best friend went all through the j with her belongs to the tumbling and gymnastics and they're not Jewish it should not make it different to or what you are you should just be the person you want to be mm-hmm Carol you have three kids seven grandkids what advice you want to leave
to those grandkids from the next generation do is to others as you want them to you that's great you did a great job you