Cheryl Sulski
Cheryl Sulski was born in Namibia, then known as South West Africa, and moved with her family to Cape Town, South Africa, when she was about eight or nine years old. The move came from strong family pressure to raise the children in a Jewish environment, and Cheryl went from a Catholic school to a Jewish day school. She spent much of her life in South Africa, working in banking and finance, including life insurance, pensions, investments, securities, and trust companies, before marrying and stepping away from work to raise her two sons while her husband traveled long hours to his ranch.
Rising farm violence, the loss of the family support system as her two younger brothers left for California after their compulsory military service, and concern for her children's future led Cheryl and her husband to immigrate to Dallas roughly twelve years before her interview. The family chose Dallas because her mother had already moved there and the collapse of the South African rand after 9/11 made it the most affordable option. She recalled the enormity of packing a shipping container and a friend's advice to never let possessions possess you, and she faced mixed reactions from those who called immigrants cowards and others who felt she had done the right thing.
In Dallas, Cheryl found a job at a Jewish day school that she says fell into her lap, and she continues her professional development through the Jewish Federation, Brookhaven College, and the Shelton school. She also teaches religious school and was struck by the range of religious observance in the community compared to the more unified congregation she had known in South Africa. Raised in a strongly Zionist home, she first visited Israel around age 21 and returned three decades later. She and her family maintain South African and Jewish traditions, shopping at a local South African store, and she remains deeply grateful for the opportunities and welcome she has found in Dallas.
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yeah hello there this is Cheryl celski and we're going to talk about South African life and life here tell me first of all how did you come to be here well when my husband decided it was time to go that's what we did I never thought in my wildest dreams I've ever left up living in America but it's almost 12 12 years and Rita how I didn't ask him this but how did you two meet our friend introduced us okay yeah I took a little time and then we decided that care where we could settle down and we did get married two kids everything in
December cheers sir hmm what were some memorable feeling things that you can remember about life in South Africa well I did not grow up in Southern I grew up in Namibia which was known as South West African those days and then when I was about eight or nine years old my family moved from them a beer to South Africa to cape town because a lot of family pressure but we needed to be in a Jewish environment my parents and relatives others you wanted us to be with a family in the Jewish environment so I'm going from a Catholic school I went to a Jewish day
school and that was kind of where I started wow that's amazing can you think of some events that influenced you and your husband's decision to go well being in the work line of wood that my husband was in farming it was becoming extremely dangerous to be farming a lot of farm violence farm killings we felt very strongly being slightly older parents who are very worried about my children's future because my brother's it'll really moved to America a long long time ago and we were losing our support system in South Africa and I didn't want my kids even though I felt horrible about the situation I
didn't want my kids my young children to feel responsible for a situation that they did not create and we felt that then we needed to get them to a place of safety my husband was traveling long distances long hours to the ranch every day I was living alone you're all day long from earning the one cladded mad with two young children and the stress on our family was enormous now where did your brother's move when they came here they were in stretch California and what possessed them to do that well my brother might have two younger brothers Lauren the immediately younger than me and had
finished his compulsory cheers army service in South Africa and he was trying to get himself set up in business but because he was in infantry he kept getting called up you know to do work to do captain reserve duty and that he could never ever settle down and one day he decided this wasn't what he wanted a fight for just going around for no reason Kid people and so he took a year off traveled around landed up in Los Angeles and has been there for the last probably 25 years even longer and then my younger brother also had to finish his compulsory military service did
his time and three days later as soon as he dummies cheers got on the plane and join my other brother in America so I was basically inside of you when somebody to take care of my parents although we did travel up and down the lights and then eventually when our papers came through in we were ready to go my mom had already moved here and it was time to move okay what was the scene like can you remember back and when you guys were actually physically ready to move ready to me what I kind of new at you know I've moved a lot mazda lived
in a lot of different places and I was kind of looking forward to this adventure I wanted to be near my family and I was illuminated I had just the sheer enormity of what immigration really made it doesn't hit you until you see your container I mean with it was fun like take things with all our familiar stuff when we had the most incredible moving company and this guy that was helping with assalaamu was very experiencing what he was doing and he told us exactly how many boxes of chutney or South African things we could take can we fall that that contain it out to
the very little it was no more oxygen left in there at least it was quite an experience and one of my friends actually was helping me sort of fix up cupboards we live in a big house so we had a lot of stuff and we're getting rid of stuff and she looked at me and one of the words of wisdom she said to me was never little possessions possess you and as I was saying we'll take this how I need to take that our need I was doing stuff away and it was actually quite exciting because I knew and I Kenya could so over again
and that's right listen hmm were there any other places that your family had considered moving to other than Dallas once you decided to leave well when we we moved back to leave it was just after nine eleven and we were kind of thinking maybe California maybe Florida but we really needed to be here because my as soon as mom was moving as well we try to keep the family in one place and one of the unfortunate things that happened was the south african rand just tanked dramatically like thirty percent in that short space of time between 9-11 at the time and we left so that
kind of forced us to refocus my way we could actually live because when you're living on a south african income it's really bad and was a very lemon and a half read the dollar at that time so Dallas was probably the most affordable option was really the only one at the time compared to LA I'd say so Ln the pieces were absolutely Hibbert oh yes I have good money yeah well on that line in what ways were family and/or friends helpful to you when you arrived it was very interesting um we had some very interesting reactions a lot of people kind of it like you're
not going to make it and they didn't wish as well a lot of a lot of South Africans are in what we call golden handcuffs a lot of really good jobs high positions they have that many commitments than that and it's not that easy to leave and a lot of our friends gonna fortunately but they don't want to leave their families behind there are a lot of considerations especially in your country if you've got elderly parents getting medical insurance oh there's so many factors it was interesting with the kids my younger son his kid thought this was just a big adventure and going to America
was like a to Disneyland and thats that was the perception of America it was a little hard for my other son and the kids weren't quite as empathetic that was quite interesting and you know it's such a hot topic immigration in South Africa a lot of people feel your run because you're a coward and people don't always understand the reasons why you have to why you have to leave and and it's a very it's a very mixed reactions some people call us cowards some people say we did the right thing what were your personal first impressions of Dallas Texas the city itself after havel mother's
OD I'd been to America several times before and traveled around quite a bit and only beach Dallas once was in August it was 104 degrees that one day I came in the in the shade a friend picked me up from the airport with no air-conditioning in her car and I thought I was going to die I was just not accept it was kindly happening and so it was just a quick visit was was a stopover on way to somewhere else nettles all at scene of Dallas and then we came back just before we actually immigrated we came back to have a look look at the
school look we could possibly live and it wasn't really it was a lot of things that were amazing with the size of the houses and the cars and that's it's just so big and spread out there's just so much of everything but it's not really that different to living Janice Berg and the knife's a threesome yeah what kind of work did you do back home and what did you do here first and then how did you get into what you're doing now yeah well I've always been in banking and finance I worked in the life life insurance pensions investments that's what I've done I've worked
in securities Treasury all that kind of stuff and states trust companies and then when I got him married I stopped working to bring up the kids and obviously was my husband was traveling so much somebody had to be around and then when I came to Dallas I had no idea what I was going to do and this job I think he was just kind of fell into my lap I was in the right place at the right time I never thought I'd ever be in a classroom but they were speaking of classroom I asked your husband about your son's college experiences but did you yourself
have to take any classes or did you choose to take anything either in university or something local Oh your ongoing part of working in the school of professional development is definitely something you have to keep you quiet to do certain amount of hours every year and I'm pretty diligent about that where do you take it from well some of them are dug through the Jewish Federation at one at Brookhaven college at Shelton school there is so much available and you can really pick and choose what you want to do there's always something available what do you feel enough in that she'll from what you've seen
of the education system here it's very different sub every clinic education I think is more based on the British system I have a few reservations about other things I just think the pressure sometimes it's just overwhelming and working with children I think sometimes we were rubbing children of their childhood but I also do realize that it's such a competitive environment and we have to get these kids prepared for what's for what's to come and I just do my job as you know was as much compassion and understanding of these children there are a lot of issues with learning a lot of issues with with kids
who just really struggle but this are the other hand it's just so much support and there's so many resources available which is quite overwhelming so it's been quite an experience for me just to see what can really be done how welcoming in general did you find the community here as a new immigrant dad's communities being incredible I mean it was serious culture shock when I came here I mean you know we South Africa we teach middle insula and you know this is quite a melting pot to everybody's coming from somewhere else but in general yes i have traveled around in different places in america and
Dallas is definitely by far the most welcoming community yeah that's good to know yeah good to know um what else have you become involved with or had you as far as the Jewish community here anything else well just working in a Jewish day school nutrition environment is pretty much a full-time job and I also teach it to ferry to religious school and the one thing that I did notice was the difference in religious affiliation over here because if the community where we lived in South Africa kind of everybody was it was just one big unit and everybody was kind of on the same level doesn't
matter whether you kept kosher whatever the education was pretty standardized and here there were lots of gray areas and one has to be mindful and respectful that everybody has coming from a different level of observance so that was quite an eye-opener and just to see just the different kind of shoes you could go to and and it was there was something pretty amazing what Jewish cultural traditions have you maintained hear that you had it home we try and keep things as much as we can let me did in South Africa my kids will slot ask me you know make these things that South African way
sir fortunately there's a little south african shop up on quake road and yeah we frequented when we can find things and we've learned to debt we miss the food and retracted back traditions pretty much the way we did things in South Africa I've learned lots of new little things over here which you've incorporated into our everyday lives and you just have to strike a balance okay what type of Zionist background do you have or your family how did they feel closed room right up in South Africa everything was very stylistic I mean you belong to her body more bae top of that killer there was
a bit there's a very very strong scientist element and I went to Israel for the first time when I was about 21 and it was the time when Israel was aboard Lebanon and that was my experience of Israel I didn't even know there was a war going on and and then I I never went back until 30 years later and I just couldn't believe I mean I don't from I didn't recognize a thing for 30 years ago um so I am pretty scientistic we need our Jewish homeland very good um who has not come here that you would like to to pick up and move
and leave South Africa anybody left oh we have lots we have lots of branches still there is no some of them are really handcuffed to their jobs and their families and immigration is not for the faint of heart it's really really really tough and I've seen it with other people it's tougher marriages and stuff on kids we've had to make radical changes to our lifestyle and especially when you're living on South African money it's worth noting growing homeless it's mind boggling how expensive things are so it's all very well to say to somebody did you need to come but you don't you know what their
circumstances are you know it's not so it's not so easy just to pack up some people have a health issues in fact there's somebody in my close to me who I would love for them to come and live here but they are serious health issues in the family and no one will accept them so they kind of stuck with it up and your own immediate or even a little bit extended family mostly made it you know but you're uh I think yeah most most of my fav they're all over the world they're just everywhere as leather father living in South Africa vent and he's got
to the point now it's too hard for me to travel so this is the hard part of it fortunately an incredibly lucky position where my brothers and I we share all the responsibilities because that's another very big problem I've noticed people that have emigrated that there's always one kid that slept with all the responsibilities and I'm absolutely blessed to have two of the most incredible brothers who everybody shares the load neck turn to be on their hands and everything so that kind of you know it kind of either the resentment that one kid is always there for the responsibility and it's kind of helped us
that really were your knightress as far as that goes that is probably the hardest thing ever but my father sent us with his blessing and he said you know please go please go we knew that we wait for these blazing he's been to visit several times but traveling has just become just too hard for now what do you think were some of the reasons he resisted leaving when he was a little bit younger perhaps an ape still able to travel he just didn't want to move here I was not up to it now here he has his life his commitments in South Africa he has
absolutely no interest and it's okay you can't always it just doesn't always work to bring bring your parents with many yet so now tell me if there's anything you can think of specifically that you miss about South Africa I'm with some of my friends I'm asleep the community that we lived in it's just because you put that LFA for 42 years serve you know it's who you are you it takes a long time to change on start all over again the outdoors is something in Texas where this pretty extreme so we mustn't just be able to be somewhere in two hours or three hours we
we miss things that go into the gamer so that was our very big thing against the Google park six hours from the five six hours from the nearest beach two hours from Johannesburg to kep done on the planet it was just the mobility I think was a huge big factor but this is my home and this is my family now and I'm very grateful to all the all the people in my colleagues and neck that have just kind of accepted me as part of the team so if you have no regrets and you're glad you're here I'm going to end with the same question I
usually do and that is why why are you glad you're here I didn't a million three million years thought in my wildest trees that Ebel ads I've been America I mean anybody who lives out of America fig said this is just the greatest thing you like everybody wants to go the whole world is probably in all what's available in America and I came here just an idea what it's been but when you're a tourist and when you're living yet to incredibly different scenarios and America is not what you see on TV you know officially you love Elvis's you're watching American programs that took a little
bit of getting used to there's poverty there's there's a lot of things here that I'm not pretty and people have got to understand that i have i've just had opportunities especially through work and the connections I've made here to do things in my life I never thought I would do I've got a lot of traveling and just just learning new things just you know when you live in fact that for you kind of live the same life every day and that nothing much changes and here use force to to do things differently to learn things differently to see things differently and it's really open my
mind to just so much your army and I'm very very grateful that America's giving me this opportunity thank you very much you