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okay here we go tell me when and why your family first came here from South Africa i came to dallas in march 1979 to meet with a cousin of mine who had moved here to live and I was asking questions and he said to me come and have a look which is what i did and i liked the place I was here for about week ten days and then I moved on across the United States and over the years what transpired was my sister and brother-in-law way to go to st. Louis Missouri and they weren't happy about the truth about being there and I suggested that they come down and see the same cousin here in Dallas they'd like it and they probably want to move here and it transpired so and they moved here in the beginning of 1982 permanently I have been a I suppose you'd call me a continuous visitor to Dallas knowing a lot of people and coming and going and eventually in 1991 I got married and we had had a family and in the we had in the towards the end of the words 2000 we got our papers immigration papers to come to
United States which we did in 2001 and we've lived here since then I've two boys one of the main motivating factors that brought us was that I had that I had seen the akiba avna school system and it was not dissimilar to the one which they were at in Johannesburg and it was big motivator to bring them here to continue with their education okay I'm going to take you back for just a minute what can you share about your life your early life in South Africa and something memorable that you can remember from your early life in South Africa well South Africa was was looking
back at it we a very privileged lifestyle we had and I had probably in many ways a very fortunate existence my family was in agriculture but we also had to look we also lived in had a house in the big city and I was able to go to school there and escape from that area and be weekends and holidays out on the farm which is away from all that I had a brother who was cerebral palsied and this took up a lot of effort and a lot of time and it was sort of a controlling factor in our lives and at the year when he
could no longer attend school or anything on there was an interim period when my parents were busy trying to make arrangements for him to have somewhere to to go to as he got older that we moved away from the we sold up and moved back onto the farm and I lived there went to school from the farm every day which was a great experience as far as I was concerned and I grew to leviton's eventually i returned them and took over the family business which iswhich i closed down before moving to united states those family members that did not come here or we're not thinking
about coming here what do you think they were thinking about your move the fact that you wanted to leave and we're moving here um no there was actually the immediate family there was nobody who sues against us moving it was my mother my life mother came with us and lived here for for for nearly lemon nearly 10 years and she had been she came with us my father had passed away previous prior to that and my in-laws my mother-in-law had moved ahead of us to the to California to be with her the two sons my two brothers-in-law and my father-in-law was remaining in Cape Town
in South Africa where he still is and he was in favor of us moving particularly for the future for them for our kids have you been able to were you able to influence other people to move besides family members I'm not sure whether top of IA we encourage people to come but actively and I think it had got to the level in South Africa particular where people would call up the US consulate so how can I get into America and they gave them sort of contradictory instructions and it scared people off and I think a lot of people wait to other places those who were
toying with idea went to other places they could get access and the United States axis is there but you've got to go and ask for you got to dig for it yourself it doesn't come to you I didn't realize that that's very if you had not chosen here Dallas would there have been any other cities that you could think of in the states that you would have also preferred or gone to um not really then we did look at California that's it we look at because it was heavy sorry anyway we did we did look at the California we toyed with idea but it it
was at the time we should have focused on Dallas and decided I was coming to Texas good move what types of adjustment issues do you remember having when you came here well lots of cultural differences which is the big thing and we dealt with a culture calculates it's largely kill there's not how do we explain it there's no real guidance you've just got to feel your way and it takes some time and we were used to a certain lifestyle we all of us had grown up with this lifestyle and this lifestyle was as I said the beginning very privileged and because of that I think
it in some ways made it more difficult to come here but we did and we adjusted to a large degree and the cost of living and the actual settling in did you find it to be comparable or higher or lower it was it was a little bit lower than what than what we'd experienced the cost of living was probably higher because it was different though that circumstances from observations going back to South Africa now seems to have flipped mmm can you think of anything specific that stands out as being very different from what you were used to with Ewing it for you and your family
actually you didn't have your children yet right your son so you would be just doing your wife I guess when we came even though the boys were born in South Africa okay oh okay John okay um what happened we came here we came the adjustment was difficult in many ways because we had the I suppose we have fixed ideas of what we were coming to rather than allowing things to happen we wanted them to move in the direction we wanted to see them and it didn't work out like that we had to adapt to it okay what kind of work did you first do when
you came here or what were you looking for I was looking for employment initially and then eventually I wound up doing things going in and doing various trying to do various things for myself one was business consulting and then eventually winding up to doing what I do now and trading the financial markets Oh were you doing something similar to that in South Africa or no no there was a sideline in South Africa what were you doing there though was in agriculture oh that's right you had your family firm okay all right so did anyone in your well I should say your son's did but what
do you think the college experience was like or are they in college yet are you okay for them here versus what they might have experienced very it's very different Elizabeth there's also there a big difference that I I hesitate to say culture because the approach is different here for example in South Africa many of us felt that you went to college and the tendency was to weed out a lot of people in their freshman year whereas here many of the professor's will work with you and encourage you to get through that freshman year where are they where are they going to college Jonathan the elder
one is in drexel university in philadelphia and kevin the younger one is at UT in Austin oh very good that's where I went good school how do you feel the community treated you as far as welcoming into it as a new immigrant its mission initially it was quite welcoming and then so that one found we were left to our own devices yeah okay um tell me about your introduction into the Dallas Jewish community here ok ok so the Dallas Jewish community how do you think it was what did you how did you find it when you first came and if you would compare it a
little bit to your experiences and sell that for the Jewish community where you were involved all right I think first the first thing to note we happen to be one of the people who come from what is probably the top Orthodox community outside the United at the outside of Israel in the in the whole of the diaspora in Johannesburg which is Glenn hazel and it carried you we had we had a well established their people actually stand away that we move we're going to prepare to move away but I knew that we had to do and so we wound up here in Dallas we then
went to join we looked at up north at a hair salon and I have hadn't invested interest in how I Shalem because in 1986 when rabbi Rodin started it I happen to be in dallas for a extended period and helped him with the starting of that congregation but when we came we looked around and we decided that character fella would be a better choice for our kids particularly going to Akita school the two being linked and we came from that perspective we settled to to a large degree with with the Jewish community I suppose we have our place we do certain things and as with
anything I think you find your level in any group of people and you that's where you seem to remain mmm very good and we go from there are you involved in anything else specifically in the Jewish community besides congregation myself not at this time okay um what South African Jewish traditional Jewish traditions would you say that your family has maintained food holidays or anything customs anything else almost all of them okay we both came from very strong traditional homes and so we've just continued our observance strictly then they will remake we've made some adjustments because when you're in the community you need to to be
part of that community and the attempts have been to make adjustments to meet those needs very good how important was Israel to you growing up in South Africa Israel would come from very strong as I just expect I'd extremely stroke it was it was an option when we left South Africa were talking to toying with idea originally of living southern Israel was definitely an option so that week what traditions would you say this might be a tough one would your do your children do you see your children wanting to continue from there well they were babies when they left but as far as you passing
it down to them you would say would be specifically South African versus things in Dallas can you see this continuing in I some things they will definitely continue afterwards particularly you know they their question them which is correct in a way because it can only reinforce their their feelings and they can see they see what we've done they've grown up with it so there's not a question of you know they've risked they they received the traditions here and they heard from an educational point of view for where they went to school so they actually in many ways and a formalized basis got more education than
I did I because I learnt at home and that was what it does I went to public school to what you'd call public school and was what the observance that I learned was what we talked we we used to go to Hebrew school in the afternoons or in the mornings early depending on what level and that's for that but that was basically to learn Hebrew and religious observance we learnt in her at home and in home from from the family okay I know you and I talked about a little bit about some of the people that were here that you knew or relatives that you
knew tell me a little bit about you were telling you a story about Joan gramont and also about your sister being here Leslie okay well we'll judge joan grandma went to jonah Jones family and my family were friends in South Africa and we the two of us went to kindergarten together and we went up through elementary school we remain basically in contact from there my sister Leslie got married and her husband and herself decided in he was nineteen eighty they were going to go to the United succumb to the United States and they were going to go to st. Louis Missouri when they arrived in a very good time to go in January it was freezing cold and miserable and they hated it and I said to them on the telephone I said we'll go down to Dallas and you'll have a look you're like doubt well they did and they subsequently after about three months came back to South Africa and then in nineteen eighty-two laboratory genuine April 82 they came back to live in Dallas permanently which meant that I after that I was a regular visitor to Dallas well if for no other reason that but to see my sister and her and her daughters I
know you well quite a bit of your family has already moved but is there still anybody that you can think of its left in South Africa family or friends that you wish they would just pick up and move here they haven't done so well there are people who I wish would pick up a move full stop I think that come to Dallas I don't know I people do not that people are not often prepared to come and take a look which I feel is the only way to understand it just actually camp and stay stay for 45 days not for two days hi how you
let's have dinner bye and which is what most a lot of people tend to do um if anything is there anything that you miss about your life in South Africa looking back now oh then what's that there are lots of things and lots of we must I think we miss a lot of the people we were we linda was with and grew up with them it was a it was and i'll say it again it was a privileged upbringing we haven't and it's the misfortune is that now whereas when when I was in my teens cousins would have Obama's for a wedding or some such
thing would be to several hundred director elaborations there and now everybody scattered all over the world to get 40 of us together seems to be a huge number how do you return to visit yes and what would you say what was it like for you describe your feelings of singing and being back in South Africa um I mean different sort of a beam observer the only thing that really was the draw was the people the friends going back and being with friends and things like that and of course we must we must some landmark things like going out as on what you people call safari
and going to see the the nature be part of nature that that you it's different as part of its a very different view than from what most people here have of it and when you think about citizenship do you consider yourself an American yet and do you have your US citizenship yes yeah okay what does it mean to you just briefly three cinema it means the love you know that I didn't need that I have a commitment today to the country where I love and that will do what needs to be done to intimate Ron make it better for myself and for everybody around me
okay and I just want to wrap up with this think about this for just a minute if in fact you're glad that you came here tell us why um I'm glad that I came here in the respect that I wanted my kids to have the freedom and the ability to go forward and hope that they could could achieve a better life and than that and you know my view of South Africa is a bit that it's in many ways in turmoil and it's it hasn't found a new direction and as such that I didn't want them subject to that I appreciate thank you that's wonderful
all right you