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Dolores 1939 Alice Texas where is Alice Texas South Texas right in the middle of the God's country how did Alice get its name I have no idea I didn't live in Alice I was just born there okay and where so where were you raised in hebronville where is that near it's between Alice and Laredo down in Deep South Texas okay so Laredo is the big city then Laredo and Alice too and then Corpus Christie okay all right what do you remember when you were a little girl I loved growing up in a small town it was um it was so wholesome growing up in a
town like that my mother and father were kind of the king and queen of the town and my mother ran a chain of department stores my father and my father was a Rancher and they were terrifically involved in the community and I I loved growing up there I loved being the big sister to my sister and my brother what was the name of the department stores economy are they still around no I don't think so Larry used to call him the Neiman Marcus of South Texas there you go do you remember your grandparents at all very much my grandmother actually raised me uh she was
my mother's mother and um she she was a tough bird and I loved her dearly and everything I learned she was the most recent immigrant my other three I'm a fifth generation Texan and the other three grandparents were already in the states and she came uh when Poncho via was raiding some of the big ranches and she was uh she was toughest I'll get out but quite wonderful do you remember your grandfather remember he died when I was about three or four and um he was he was wonderful too they live next door to us I mean my grandmother literally raised us cuz your mom
was work my mom was gone she was she was a career woman she was a very forward thinking woman who um had a great financial mind and ran the stores for my daddy M what about your grandparents on the other side my grandfather on the other side was a very austere scary Banker in Alice that's why we were born in Alice we went to Alice for every holiday that's ever been invented and um my grandfather was doubly tough we used to back out of the room he was called Papa and the men would eat then the ladies would eat and then finally the children would
eat and it was a very interesting house well must have been neat for the uh well for the older boys when they got to go from the with the kids to with oh yeah you don't want to know what I thought about that why was it set up like that because it was a very paternalistic Society the men kind of ruled I mean my brother is a vascular surgeon and uh besides being a male he's now the was now the doctor I mean what could be bad and he got to go into Papa's bedroom with all the other guys but we could not we had
to stay outside and play the piano which was fine H now your grandparents were they all my grandmother died during the influenza of 1918 I think 1919 and so Papa was widowed when my daddy was 5 years old and he raised uh his children with help of his sister but he was a very austere I don't think he ever ever got over losing his beautiful wife she was a redhead like myself and just a beautiful lady now where'd you go to grammar school I went to all schools in henville everything Elementary we used to walk to school because it was such a wholesome little place
High School lifel fabulous I was a basketball player and I was a piano player and there was always a fight between my coach and my piano teacher of how I was going to ruin my hands and play piano how could I play piano when I played basketball and I loved I loved High School were you dating in high school I was mhm and what did you guys do for fun in high school but we had a Dairy Queen and the Dairy Queen was the Hub and that's where we went for everything and I can remember my mother and grandmother at 10:00 on the dot if
I was not home they would drive my grandmother wore black from the time my grandfather died until she died and they would drive to pick me up and I screwed up my courage I guess when I was in college and I said to mother I must have been an awful child why did you feel like you had to come and embarrass me and get me and she said oh no it wasn't that you were awful or anything like that he said it's just what we did do you remember the first television set for the family I do it was teeny yeah that's when you're still
at home mhm the music that you like your kid oh classical music from the time I was a little bitty thing loved classical music some people go to the movies to um see the action on the stage I went to hear the beautiful classical music that was company and the action on the stage loved music now After High School you went on to college where did you go I went to Delmore College my freshman year I had a full music scholarship and um it's a very interesting story because my Dean was uh Jean Benelli who later became the dean of the Meadow School who later
became the president of the symphony who I hired at the symphony which was really interesting so when I lecture at universities I always tell them you've got to be nice to to your students because they'll come back and bite you or could bite you did you transfer out I transferred and went to University of Texas after my freshman year I had never written an English theme and my father thought I needed a little grounding in in writing and so I went to delmare my freshman year and then transferred to University of Texas and the first year that I was at Texas is when I met
Larry on a blind dat mhm what did you think of him I fell madly in love with him that quickly huh that quickly did he know that I think he did now he told us in his interview he told us the story about a drive-in yeah it's true but he didn't tell us much but it was all true huh it was all true well we were with another couple so yes it it wasn't quite as exciting as he it wasn't quite as exciting but it was only our second day good gravy yeah now what were your plans for after college I thought I would be
a music teacher that's what I wanted to do that's exactly what I did do while Larry was in medical school I taught okay and what age uh were you teaching third and fourth grade they're the sweetest if I didn't have 20 of them wrapped around my did not have a good day I loved teaching love those kids and what was life like for you when Larry became a surgeon were the hours long was it actually uh practice probably was less so than medical school and graduate school we did we did undergraduate together he did graduate school I worked then I started teaching in in Dallas
and he went to medical school then I went back to Denton to try to get some more degrees and so it it it was interesting but the the hardest time was when he was in medical school because we had little children or Ben was born when he was a junior and he'd come barreling out of his study saying can't you keep that kid quiet and of course I could not right now you went into a lot of fundraising for many different organizations tell tell us about that life well it's um when I stopped teaching I really was quite bere that I had to stop teaching
cuz I loved it so much but I was pregnant with Ben and was kind of green and couldn't really stay in the classroom so uh someone asked me to join the symphony League the junior Symphony League because U I was still quite young and um I found I had an knack for it I found that if I was asking someone for money for the symphony I could take the shirt off their backs and make them like it because it was so important to me and I could make it important to them MH and why was the symphony so important to you because it's classical music
again I love classical music were there other organizations oh yeah there's been yeah I can't imagine I can't think of one Arts institution in Dallas that I haven't raised money for I chaired the cultural Affairs commission for the city of Dallas for8 years when Ron Kirk and Miss Miller were Mayors and um felt that it was an obligation to teach how to raise money because it's so important to the institution to stay viable let's start with the my I do have a wonderful story to tell because um I was um the upcoming leadership at the meerson and when we were interviewing for Architects uh Stanley
Marcus was head of the committee and uh we started with a great list of maybe a 100 Architects called it down to 50 then to 20 then to 10 then to five and of the five one was I am he was about this tall a cherub he was just precious and he came in we asked the same question why do you want to build this Hall and he looked down and then he looked everybody's Square in the eye and he said I have always felt I have one great concert hall in me I want it to be your concert hall the committee was I mean
we we were sold he was just wonder and he was great to work with our acoustician was probably more important to me Russell Johnson because I'm all about the music I I like beautiful architecture but I'm all about the music and architecturally it's perfect but acoustically it is one in and maybe five in the world what was the happiest time in your life I you know I really think it was under graduate school I think when we were raising our children was very sweet now there's been so many momentous occasions in the world you know that you lived through in your lifetime president Kenedy assassination
of course I was teaching right you remember where you were when Kennedy was shot did it affect you did the day stop it did I was teaching school and I was really upset I uh didn't care so much for the atmosphere in Dallas at the time and I wanted so desperately to see him and um I was teaching school and I remember being stunned horribly stunned when I heard that he had been assassinated and I was ashamed yeah over the years how has Dallas changed I think it's become better I think it's not as narrow-minded I um I worry sometimes about being in the Bible
Belt but um I have great aspirations for Dallas what do you think was the most interesting invention in your lifetime and does technology today shock you anymore no but it's funny you you you ask about technology and the only thing I can think about is piano and musical instruments just that's where my life is three grandchildren M what advice do you want to leave to the Next Generation to be as involved as you possibly can push yourself to the Max and then push yourself some more was there one thing in your lifetime that really changed your life besides Mary and Larry I converted to Judaism
mhm that was very momentous for me what was that like for your family when you told them that you're going to do it do you know what's interesting uh I told you my daddy owned a chain of department stores and he bought that chain of department stores from Jewish people and my father was Prejudice but he was Prejudice for Jews he thought Jews were the kindest smartest sweetest nicest in fact when I was born with red hair the fam the family named rednick wanted to adopt me because they had not been able to have children and um they wanted the little redheaded baby that was
born to the Gomez's how how did that make Larry feel when when you told him that you were going to convert Larry oh he didn't care uh I was pretty much running Sunday school at Temple Emanuel at the time he said what are you going to do to lores when they when you find out they when they find out you're Catholic I said I I had thought about that particularly did that have any effect on your fundraising ability I've always had one foot in the Catholic camp and one foot in the in the Jewish camp and I will speak to anybody about raising money and
if it's for the symphony watch out I feel I feel it's a privilege to be able to do it and I have I'm no problems whatsoever asking for money I actually converted for myself I was not a very comfortable Catholic even though my grandmother had a direct line to the Pope I wasn't very comfortable and whenever they made me kiss little baby Jesus's feet I'd hit it with my head because I didn't want to kiss where other people kissed and um I wasn't a comfortable Catholic I'd get sick to my stomach when I went to mass it would make me make me sick to my
stomach I love being Jewish I love doing good thanks for doing this today you bet did a great job thank you