Don Fielding
Don Fielding's family history in Texas ran deep. His paternal grandfather, whose family name was Finkelstein, came from Poland, possibly by way of the Warsaw Ghetto, and settled first in New York City around the 1880s working as a tailor. His father, Nathan, was born in New York in 1898, and the family moved to Dallas around 1901. His maternal great-grandfather, Messeroff, left a small farming village in Russia after repeated Cossack raids and arrived in the Galveston and Houston area not long after the Civil War. Don's mother, Bessie, was born in Sugar Land in 1898. His mother, who had gone through high school and was very bright, taught Don and his older brother Paul to read and write before kindergarten, instilling in Don a lifelong intellectual curiosity.
Don grew up in South Dallas in the largely Jewish neighborhood around South Boulevard, Park Row, and Grand Avenue, near Temple Emanu-El, where Rabbi David Lefkowitz served. He recalled both the warmth of that community and the antisemitism of the era, including being beaten and ambushed as a boy. A gifted student, he graduated as valedictorian at age 15 and, with encouragement from Dallas business figures, attended the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, where he served as president of his fraternity chapter. He married Jenny, a young woman from Ardmore raised Baptist, who converted to Judaism; together they raised a blended family of children from her first marriage and their own, and hosted large New Year's Eve parties for hundreds of guests for many years.
Professionally, Don worked for 45 years in the shoe business alongside his brother Paul, a company their father Nathan had started in 1929 after working as a top salesman at a leading Dallas men's store. Yet Don considered Scouting the work he cared about most, serving 15 years and earning the Silver Beaver award. He was the first Dallas Scouter to lead troops of different ethnic and racial backgrounds, establishing troops in West Dallas and South Dallas and working closely in the Black community with figures like Juanita Craft. A committed advocate for Jewish causes throughout his life, he was proud that his daughter and his son Paul both served on the Dallas City Council, and he remained close to his four children, seven grandchildren, and three great-grandchildren.
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today is September 20th 2000 this is an interview of Don fielding at his home at 61 23 or Aven Dallas Texas my name of the interviewer is Rosalind been jet and art videographer is Ruth fabulous Don tell me about your family yeah where they come from and how did they get to Dallas well you want the real particulars I hear they're very detailed my genealogy you want to get in the lab if you just want me they came from Russia story oh the anomaly ideal great yes when and we are yes a moat there they're incomplete they're traced back as far as leaders my paternal
grandparents came from Poland I think that at one time they were in the Warsaw Ghetto time that they left I don't wanna left together it came to the United States almost like a boat or what married after they got to the United States as far as I can recall came here in about Oh 1880 something my grandfather Finkelstein and I traced that genealogy back to Poland and we got to a motel and Poland are there a lot eight different thinking stains there'd with many of them spell their names different we can notice ID which was he so I can't tell you positively about him and
grandmom think a knee hurt her she was old thing and I can't have not get anything on her oh so there they work and they came to the United States and it may have been for Ellis Island opened I'm not sure you know your own Hades it wasn't anything if what one did I was I was open to rubber somewhere around that time maybe the king could always out maybe they could have been council garden alright so at any rate they settled in New York Rand Paul Finck my trade was a Snyder renovation I had her right okay so he did that for a while
and they are gonna struggle and you pretty well know they lived in what you might call together they came together in Poland together in New York City but at least nobody was perishing in them all the time so not too long after they were there several years my dad was born in 1898 Nathan in New York City I'm not sure whether his sister aunt Ida was part of New Yorkers pointed out I asked her daughter my cousin that she said she didn't know and I was astonished that she doesn't know her breasts her brush before I asked my brother he says she thinks she was
born New York City okay I have an older brother Paul two years older than I yes the live as we were associated in business for 45 years together almost everything never had an army maybe one of the reasons may have been was my dad more youngsters this this family felt unwelcome this is one thing I want you boys to remember all your lives love each other don't fight target money ain't worth it it could do each other right he's absolutely right so god bless you so at any rate my mama's family well then then they moved to Dallas and it must have been about 1901
you have any idea why that's good a question he got the AIA grandpa I discussed that son briefly with it when I was a kid and he said just York was just strangulation it's just you know it was okay wonderful it's great to be out of there but at the same time there had to be a better place to live where it's open you know they live in a small flat and we could you know get some living so I came to Texas so whether he came here with an ax and I'm not even sure that there was one more in that family Uncle Bill
William he may have been born just maybe months before they left or he may have been born in Dallas and I'm not sure at any rate he went to first that high school building so he was he was more than maybe three something like that and I was in between 1995 and eight now Mama's family came from Russia and they measure off was older mother grandfather so he came here in the 70s not too long after the Civil War he came from Galveston and one of his grandsons told me he came from Houston it's my understanding came to Galveston I seem to have a recollection
in the back of my mind that he had said that but he shows up in Houston and that that's gotta be so because my mother was born in Sugar Land which is just west of Houston in 1898 Bessie but that was a family and you very well I'm sure have experienced the families in those days people died young and a lot of women died you know they died from either cancer that was a likely thing for them to die early things childbirth loss or anything so as any measure off Jo left Russia because he lived they were not get alized except that they live somewhere
got the shoes but they couldn't live anywhere else because they were persecuted they did that's why they went there and they were like Fiddler on the Roof it was a firm very small limited farm community maybe about 50 200 people something okay he said about every six months he remembers a child the Cossacks were come running through on their hostage shooting up the place breaking everything down tearing everything to pieces and they would have to build till the next time but they came again he said he didn't think it was anything related to Jewishness he said he just thought it was a matter of them
being in barracks and some the army and I know what he's talking about because I was an army for almost four years the guys drink and they got nothing else to do so they just drop them village so that was that was a farmer well he got secretary man so he came to United States and he married and he had a son named Solomon and her daughter named Marie and then his wife died and then he married a lady named Jenny : and Jenny Cohen had a daughter named Hildy and her husband had died and his wife had died so the two of them get
together each with families and then they have five children this was typical of things in those days they have know lots of families and any right uncle Solomon in Chicago we never saw him I started maybe once or twice in my life Murray better off moving to Los Angeles she lived there I saw her when I became they both were quite well-to-do meanwhile grandpa think is making his way here in town and say Messner off even before him since he was older was making his way down the Houston area he was for all intents and purposes a produce peddler he would go to the market
and buy a big bunch of fruit vegetables and put them on a wagon and go out in some of the neighborhoods and that's how you help raise his family at that particular point in history so then we come back to Dallas where a moment they are and they made which but they were one of those high ideals because now you have to understand of course naturally these people are Orthodox on both side of the fender mother dead were raised by families they were American here in Dallas they settled in places certainly after their marriage I was a burner browser stream you know where browser Street
is browser Street is west of earthy and I was even with a big surfer over and suddenly I was not there at South Dallas and not too far from there and I was born in the house my brother was born in a hospital my older brother but she couldn't get there when I was born so I was Midwife in a house on Bradley Street so we moved over this place after that happened on for family nice place was a block from templum a couple manuals and Irv E and South Boulevard one by some leg sign up they're not going to slip to that show they'll
take the kids to the tempo okay so we became the foreign Jews know their convenience you know then it didn't make that much shivers from him mama was one through high school she was very bright she taught my brother and me to read and write before we ever got into kindergarten as a result we went straight up I had what I call I developed at that time we were reading all kinds of books Tom Swift and all that kind of stuff in the youngster books and I got a library card as soon as I got it here I hung out in the elementary school I
went to the library and books the library I school there down the library - up which wasn't I don't before from her house and draw out books and keep them over the weekend when I was about eight or nine years old they bought us seven book of knowledge which is like encyclopedia but more for kids and I had this enormous intellectual curiosity I wonder what made everything work how it worked every why it worked why the sky was blue and all that certainly so I spent a lot of time delving in that and I enjoyed it it was fascinating actually there's my fact it never
ended continues to this day I told my kids is it that what he want to do on your learn something didn't know so today I went into school and of course we have the usual persecutions you know everything wasn't nice and it's out now it was great compared to what it could have been but there were anti symmetries there William I got beaten up and I was now on that issue quite a few times when I was you I costs to be neighbor which was William Craven and his father's gave Allen one of the one of the big civic leaders in the community Christians okay
this is this kid my friend so hires two kids for quarter apiece to hold my hands behind me with an acting barge not on the thing they had big pulls and held up the barge hold my hands behind my back while he beat me up it is his family wasn't it was a very noble family I don't just do whatever I tell you how happy they were a bunch of kids at that school it was strictly an investment they should like to beat up Jewish kids they farce pretty much and I fought I wasn't big enough good ah we had enforcement's in our community to
the Steinberg brothers you know Teddy and our Steinberg huh okay if we kids will go tell them some of these bigger Christians we big enough there could never be tell out of them it happened frequently and then the payoff was that we had a guy that flunked out numerous times in elementary school and he just whipped up on there like he's bigger than everybody and a guy named Bobby Garson a Jewish boy from South Chicago moved to Dallas he didn't know this guy and he didn't know how to bully he was so he was in the show him right away new kid in school a
lot of children who was who Bobby Garcia Jeff would beat him to death chasing him up a tree pull part of his clothes it was just a total complete victory for his friends we all cheered wild it North right just absolutely great I was ambushed several times my dad wasn't shoe business beautiful cowboy boots kid's gonna steal them from me on my way home to fight me a homie no simpler and I go walk some walks and walks around to get around to go smooth but anyway so we're in there farm town dr. David left points is the rabbi welcome dear beautiful wonderful man he's right across the street southward from mining up till that was my that was one daughter that Bobby brought to the family she came and marries Amy Messer off rest up were all our mutual children she has had such a ventilator she and my mother could have been closer his sisters until he didn't have a sunshine only one daughter she's a right cross the street from trying to leave my ensemble or who's that right there store the doctor lately that's left the shirt in skis live right next door next to them live the Chaffey's
across experimental design of the phenols now the next corner of the herald star family who were not very cutely she almost hit him the mets occurs then across this video along this side next to us asylum fields legalizing the drug across the street Charlie by and Helene holding died two years ago her husband brother Joe had a lot more Harry Hoffman twins have my friends Jerry and Harry that whole bunch up in down south Boulevard Park Row where you could go from first out of you to South Park to park row into Grand Avenue that was going to south to north from east to west
but seeing them with a street right next to Forest High School which later became Madison High School I came around the high street not Jeff reasons that's that oncoming West all the way down to earth II Street that huge area there was populated not entitled by Jewish people but largely by Jewish did the round of Christians in there as a matter of fact I was talking about Steinberg's boys I just fell in Burke I believe it was the oldest of the bunch Mary Frances Hinkle was Christian then all the cargo right across street from from browning John Henry Brown school we lived at that particular
time on Park Brook and right leave don't think four-plex at that time there were some people they wheel with live next door to us on the corner next in school the he goes she married it's time for a guy anyway in the other side on the bottom the Catalans mr. Kaplan it's a brother-in-law of mr. Jackson mr. Jackie and mr. Kaplan we're in the pipeline business out in East Texas and with Dan Joyner brought in that big weld out there they made a deal with him because he was almost broke at that particular point and that's why he later sold out to was the big I have just billionaire each other Joyner leaders held up sold up each other mr.
Capel mr. Jaffe we're out there hustling because that was in 1931 it was when the auto fan came in that was the biggest to that point that was the biggest auto fine in the world in East Texas in Wood County and I've got old thing down there of leases which we own in Wood County all of which have absolutely no I love it I said we hold all the way out of Wood County can have any auto and any right my dad got it all about me in the 1930 1931 with Mr Rabinowitz you know higher events okay how about Darwin Robbins that was Kitty rotten ex-husband Rawlings Ron McMillion Ronald it all right they had two daughters Kitty and Sylvia Sylvia married the dr.
King College Arthur College was an obstetrician and key Mary darling Robbins doorknob has changed his name because his father Robinson was a brother to my remembrance his name's repentance they weren't doing business out there they were running to Holloway there was a parishioner after the widows came in out there in East Texas they had proration which meant that you can only take a certain amount of oil out of a place to keep it from all being taken out immediately wasted so some of those guys were in their heads with other leases and trying to make money doing this and that and so they were selling some other side that was called hot oil those things outside information better words brothers got caught that's fire and remember Meyer was the guy who survived his brother committed suicide he took the rap that wasn't Arwen's father Darwin at that time changed his name mr.
Robbins anything to do with my Rebellion's his uncle my Rabinowitz who was with my father and buying all these leases which I out here my repentance was not straighten up he was he was out there buying leases for not one about them for other people too and he would violence and lots and lots of leases and he would keep the good ones and he would give with the money that he got from these people who put money up for you and he would keep the guns and give them velocity heart launch oh he was right because those ones were marked already though he became rich
the reason I'm telling you this is this what funded North Park is his daughter married what is that - your brain action stop her pensive yeah okay that was a matter of Medicine's talk that's where he got the tall or taller is not you well you didn't play marbles when you were a kid the tall is the marble you used to shoot the other marbles that's where he got his tall to spark that nerd birthday at a trick I communicate with his wife may her soul rest in peace who passed away a couple of years all through these years because we don't sign these leases
mutually saving us whenever you bought something hit by a piece of it that we didn't know for himself in his own name and they didn't buy a piece for you in his name your name and that piece maybe nothing is good food about to be that way but we still owe me actually a lot of this stuff to go so I would have time from time to time I'd have to call her up and say you know we gotta pay taxes on this stuff every year because we honor so you got to send me somebody income you take your share of taxes her word I'd
I'd to hear from you hope you're well send me a check all right that existed all through these years I don't know just a few years ago when she passed on so I had that relationship with her I didn't have a relationship with ready because we were to business we have a cheese store over to Pressman senator and I wanted to get it in his nerve park we go would let me in so I stopped at I wasn't good enough for it wasn't exclusive enough so so that was that let's go back to your family okay did your family celebrate George fortunately yeah sure sure
sure so cause some kinds of things did you do oh the works whatever this is a vertical see all that kind of stuff I'm also mouth you have to understand this I married woman it's a Christian Baptist she came from a family older tires he's mad fact even almost Aboriginal because her great-great-grandfather was a Comanche Indian became the Trail of Tears the Cherokees from Florida on her mother's side of the family I saw a picture of it in her mother's house and our Laurel home in dealing with the brains down like this but that was great great grandfather okay she doesn't she's a little blonde
gal and father's name was tipped into the city and Oklahoma named for him tipping Oklahoma didn't other generations and generations in poor people farmers the land cotton farmers know my kind of efforts and Jenny came to Dallas that's where her mother and she had two small children yeah we got him Harry and then here after we got married she came Jewish now that was a struggle because we got married course unbeknownst of us we went to leave Iowa which is knocking noise not Jewish she'll have to study and take the test on wouldn't have time for that lady had two kids we had to get
all of it so we have Judge bill Richman it was a friend of their families it's a JP we had Mary and then she became Jewish but she did not grow by climbing with Marius either of course you know they marry Jews and Christians now there's no problem but then they wouldn't do it she never forgave me for my life although cheese there she is right there she's a sweet and lovely person a little bottom lady said the best of all most children that's hot right she's been a man with sister 50 years it's it so but we celebrated Jewish holidays Christian holidays and we
made a decision this is the interesting thing I said Jenny I don't think if you read that thing that I read about I don't think we should impose upon these children either of the Baptist religion from whence you came although she said she just absolutely couldn't her dad was a deacon in the Baptist Church and he was a straight man and she ever saw in your life I mean he was a fine Christian gentleman I might say and he never took a break but the people she knew she was old enough to know what she thought of that church that the elders in that church
were drinking they were Baptist they weren't supposed to be drinking they were cheating Ryan's feelings she said and she just had her fill on the Baptist because she said they just weren't honorable people they presumed to be the doorman I told her the human beings not really did enough out there today or she could not abide them so she left them without regret at any rate so we decided taken with inter terian church our children by this time were married several years we have four children now we get two more children I got up on a girl I got Jenny and then I got two
more boys so this they are the two boys that are natural boys are Jewish okay my eldest son is agnostic he's not sure he thinks religions for he started like Karl Marx the opening of masses that was Karl Marx's thing that the people are bound by religiosity to something that's moved for the people who expounded but not necessarily for everybody is because it fails although it's ideal with its premise it fails in the actual orientation of my daughter if you will ask her what she is I asked her the other day but she married a Christian man who was not about the Christian so who
are you and I'm she been going to the Dutch Reformed Church and then they closed the church was always there being our congregation to sustain it she said I'm a Jew material it's thought said that's right you know of course the cheese on the City Council you know but her brother Paul it's on the City Council some years back and judicially speaking Paul got into it because he know into a big fracas down there because he Jewish that's when the Khalid Mohammed Farah Khan he was opposed to it while I walked to let them speak here and I organized their group to counter large against
them if you want that in this fine if you don't want it that's fine too because that's a restrict lots of political fighting it's a religious groups religious name to us but it's a political thing as far as the politics that Tamplin concern it was long and drawn out those big buckles Black Panthers and then school board meetings that after the Black Panthers game and then they brought colleague Mohammad speak at that was Black Panthers did that's that's when we had the big blowout and that's what Sam homes you know example says Sam exam homes is a farce and absolute fortunate my next-door neighbor is
Reverend old Bryant who went through the Perkins School of Theology a respected mentor he said ministers in that church like say opponents what reasonable they couldn't keep saying person towards himself his own self-aggrandizement a call well he was absolutely right on that because I had worked with Sam homes in this community for the black people that when I first started in 1961 at school I spent hours and hours and hours in the black community and I was known out there's a matter of fact council of Cheney saw me the other day other than a suit council building City Hall and he said Oh Godfather it
that that's what he referred to me I can people say I said sure I do I love them and they love me nobody's gonna bother me you know whatever did I had total freedom out there I knew every precinct chairman out there we worked out through our work with Juanita craft and her kids and have that whole bunch out there and samples I thought it was my friend and we gotta do this thing I call them Sam home I said Sam you're a manner that's respected like many you ought to say that these people hate Jews as you know they do they do that say
that publicly and that you do not abide he said I can't say that I said why Charlie I choose either I said Sam you know I've been friends for 25 years he says yes I know that was still going to do it said thank you goodbye and that was that let's go back to Dallas when you were a teenager what was it like then more like any other teenage situation in the world I mean everybody was dancing at school and all that starts up and incidentally as an aside to that I might tell you we had a guy there named Aaron Spelling yo Aaron Spelling
is and he was madly in love with my wife I think he meant before work by that time she had come from Ardmore to four and I have a postcard in my file where he's written to her he's in the service in that particular time and telling her how much he loves her too all I kind of strapped now I can't have a crowd at that time but she said he was he was self-serving he was really no bird you don't kiss me but you love me sorry thing and but he was good dancer she loved to dance we danced we rammed it I had
some really good girlfriends most days not sexually but girlfriends just like I had boyfriends when I was Margaret Helen golden did you know the golden family they write it right cross street from temple of Magnum Harry golden and his wife and I'm pretty sure they were Sheriff this and already I'm gonna used to pal around pal ground rules I know you know roughly comes from Citra head she lived that same earth about block away pal around with her all the time and we just we just had wonderful times you know we got to be 14 years old you to drive until 14 lessons in 14
we drive around and drive around you know came in early you just you know talking them and all that kind of stuff oh and the wrong takes now I live just a stone's throw from me now I would most on board at 2904 this particular point by history and next door to me with Inka winces they move down the Reference Room and across the street was have leaned Nathanson who became happening in Harrison the marital town and cost even heard of Jack sax the next door there were there always got some Lily robbery two girls Kitty fantastic dancer used to go over to her house
in the afternoons after school turn the radio on and Lily the mama sometimes she was there sometimes she wasn't she knew everything was ok and we danced in there two or three couples that right next door with the Saxons that's Jack sax he married Fang a tall girl whose brother of coaches text Fagin Jean that you know his wife they came from Wichita Falls by way of Ohio both of them Tex got his PhD at Ohio State the geology is dead with geology us today before you seen your packet over and the whole Fagin all and she called her husband belt that's grandma off she
called me back now she didn't know track suit is called bad was a awestruck the family and they gave us no office started a relief and the family for this day but ever they see me say on a white American that dog the skull she's no I've never lived just me just absolutely me but we have lots of good fun just like all kids today it was always fun but whatever got any trouble may I help you the Sun okay sure sure so and then I I read that you went to University of Pennsylvania how I think okay so how did your folks on the
Delphic kinda how I felt I was they were Leopold Stokowski once the house probably after he retired what does they have of a simple and you could go when I was a kid to the symphony without consumer penalty students they have a deal for us there I am valedictorian at age 15 youngest employers for their process right my brother salutatorian his class and he was a lot smarter and how did you decide to study there well there was a group around here let's say Felix Norman senior you know who they were they were kind of brothers old Jewish family people going on his son is
still a very dear friend right now his wife Josephine she was in Israel told speech in the next block for us she married people Pete's mother was Christian and he was raised really as a Christian but I don't know what I think he's a Christian now she's still married Josephine she never left Judaism that's for sure and they are lovely people okay so Felix : and pink Kramer Murray's Kremlin that was in the Harris family and any kind you know any comment he wasn't talking for his business his family was for you yeah you know we have that kind of exchange ability downtown 217 stories
high we did Texan devilís was an enormous copper center at that time and of course that disappeared as time went on we want to get into that no no I didn't because my grandpa told me I know you have a store on Elm Street that they bought bales of cotton declined them down Elm Street I have a picture of that because a couple of farmers couldn't get a decent price for it and they had to have some money it's all the merchants talk about so they can buy from the merchants you know the merchants sold the cotton flavor of any rate sold Edmund Kahn we
also are several other guys they were all the Wharton School graduates and here they have a kid 15 years old it's graduated valedictorian this one would go to work at school so they team up on these like a fraternity rushing party see they said you need to go to work soon well there's no problem again works I went there she'd never called me it becomes a misfit for totally different world now make good grades like for instance as a warden student I took electives I took 16 English courses as an undergraduate as electives in addition to all that accounting business law and all that comes
tough and I was reading you know Shakespeare and all of the novelists from the 18th century English 18th century Scandinavian novelists will encounter you know a whole bunch just all the time in there it's a matter of fact when I was in college I got up at 6 o'clock every morning I found out I see a building and its deadly socially speaking there are two fraternities were very important to the city of Dallas a social church one almost tied to a pie pie pie well I have read that roster it was there were some kids in it they were from sure dental oh come of
course they were socially the closer were from Sacramento I'm gonna see the whole roster of all the guys levy boys time to max Tonkin you know the toppings were Max is still over the temple cool carols and the Joseph Chamber Joseph and his son bunny these guys were all five six at the University Texas college money and we're all packed up our adults I told media dollars if it's some of a sign aversive time to use it as a national concern had a big chapter in the world and I have in my records I had the I have a book that they put out for
that and I have the roster at that particular time it was like well I'm gonna say 60 guys at least all tuition course and then for years and years and years generations the five six kept going down at the University of Texas and like my brother went down in Texas he was a five-cent at the University of Texas however the tries to get the first Pennsylvania okay and we working and I haven't I haven't involved here whole big bunch of things in it I was I was a mensch in the fighting I was I was a president of my fraternity chapter there at university and
they sent me to other chapters to help those chapters we're having some problems and matter of fact I got in on the first integration of one of the chapters our dental chapter after I already graduated was taking a black boy they got me a speaking thing I said oh boy you got the wrong way at any rate this this was a social thing which I think was extremely important because we do all kinds of party and and I gave a list my wife and I started getting parties New Year's Eve parties about 1959 and we invited 300 people there's lotsa people to this house New
Year's Eve the ideal part that was was it everybody was going so around a turkey so they didn't stay most of them did not stay at a particular place all night although we did find that some of those people didn't have any place to go did stay here all night so we had these 300 people every year we gave the same for at least 12 years so finally I said in Jena you know they're much burn the house down it was the basement smoke they burned up our upholstery our hooked oh my of course I study I said oh we need to stop this way
we kept redoing the house every three years I said this got stopped that's what we finally stopped but it was one and everybody enjoyed it it was a wonderful time I remember teaching read a can that's come in cans like you know calendar you can that's the lens family they was right down the street bonus in South Ellis how to do the twist in the in the den up there and they were playing that twist music come on do the twist you know and I'm trying to get rid of it to shake her hips correctly and we have a phone work for us but when
they throw me out chamber and he in a way from wife we they would help us they were among several people who helped us is help on the news tea party and finally we don't walks out there and she's let me show her how to be we that got em I'm Cecile this black lady everybody just loved it because she show everyone twist a little bit about your professional life well the kind of work I did professionally of which I was most concerned for the most time to was city clerk voted number one I was I was in scout program for 15 years achieved the
highest honor the scouts that you can get as a volunteer scholar the silver paper I was the first Scouter the city of Dallas that had was a Scoutmaster of troops of ethnic or racial difference I decided I was I've known about seven or eight years I became the president of the North Trail District I've been a scout measure and North tradition consisted of Park Cities North Dallas plain old Richardson and Plato 4,000 Scouts a thousand and some Scout leaders at cetera and so forth and and that meant that didn't give me when I thought I needed to achieve what I needed to achieve was to
get scouting where scouting we really ought to be I'm saying myself these kids don't lead Scout II they really don't do develop character responsibilities you know the guy they're raised in homes that do that I mean it on places worried about so I went to West Dallas in the first place professionally I was in the shoe business with my brother and we remained together for 45 years I have an already a beautiful relationship and God bless it just wasn't anything it was like my father whatever I wanted to do see I'm all this city where he enabled me to do it because he never said
a word I'd say Paul I'll be gone over the weekend taking Scout mm I'm going to the International Jamboree for two weeks in Greece cold lesson page you're good all that sort of thing so I had this back at home so I went out the brother Bill Harrods we started with no heroin provided shoes for children out there in West Allis there's always the shoe bills and that thing began to grow every New Year's Day he would have a be over anybody who had one her shoes could come to his mission in West Allis her brother Bill Taylor he was a reclaimed street person and
found Jesus God bless you he's trying to find Jesus for me us that's our relationship right and I said look from bill I love you you know we've got a wonderful relationship we're helping these kids that's the important thing and he said but God he said unless you accept Jesus he might help I said you said sure exactly I said I'll see you there good at that sorry get their name so after I establish that Scout Troop there he was going along with I took him out to camp Grady spruce out of the possible Kingdom in the summertime oh that was a while oh you
think I want to tell you about that those are the kids that never well they've been away with me on a weekend without some only time that ever been away from their families this is for a whole week out there the first day at the end of the first day I'm in my tent which is about half the size of this all these boys are about eight to attend around there by midnight I've got everyone in my temp to the last one my Timmy but it's just paper scared to be out there he's perfect I couldn't get in the shower so I made him go
swimming every day but it was a wonderful thing a wonderful experience so then I moved and forgot that was established over Martinez Center now you know because Martinez with the first Chicano was on the City Council and they think that Center on Recreation Center on West Allis were very very nice facility and I established a true player and then after I got that started nets down I got a Jewish guy to take all that treatment brother bills Larry Tabak you know Larry table ruk back took over that trip when I was 11 yeah then I went over to Martinez Center but I was not a
true player I didn't go on good I got somebody else to take that one I forget what it was he took that one no I got that one take it over I went over to South Dallas in front of me a black troop and it was at a company out there big industrial company they opened the gates just you know you know here's our building and use our building for meetings and so forth we'll put the money to finance the troop and all I got they were wonderful and then for some reason or another I can't remember why they it was that just at the
time when they establish this recreation center in South Dallas called it will need a craft center so I said well this is a better place for those always but certainly a lot more black people you know there were not night black people at this building that they may have had some employees but there was not there in migrated like that where either crab soon might get this over here with some black people and I could get some more black leadership over there so move them over ready to grab Center that was something my experience that should be the school was a fruitful room I mean
it provided mix of living for me from life we cut our children in early on its partners in it and then I finally Paulo my brother had son my nephew Randy if he was in it and I had oldest son Ronnie and we were so so about a particular karate riding with a hunter of an official and Larry got time off that's what he did so first I retired which was about twelve years ago my brother couldn't stand it a few years later without me there he retired and after that wash them that's just so because down so we had we couldn't gave the rest
to charity and split up the money that was left over in the business but my dad started that business in 1929 hit work for um can you remember um cam okay you can was right across the street over the bar from singer singers sang her brothers it was singer brothers of that but they became secular heifers that's what the singers and a Harris United say your Harris but iam Campbell wasn't the finest men's store town my dad went to work he was a teenager as I just a kid pick it up soon he became a computers time number one salesman that he ever came it
was just spectacular personality lovely person everybody loved him you met him five minutes he was your friend okay that's a great attribute for a salesman he knew every big guy in Dallas I don't care Bob Thornton the whole bunch the whole crowd they were all his buddies because they're all bought suits from and they loved it and and he got my home just fine so then he decided after laughs I'm gonna go eight from herself so he opened she stole on Commerce Street right next man groaning door to and in 1929 when he started the worst time ever he started got sushi and he succeeded
it I mean with a few years time he was doing well I would say with the five-year two biggest men she did some business in Dallas what's the name of the National jobbing company at that time when I came in to abrogate or change international shooters because actually when they first started out here brother-in-law is he was I was aunt Tilly's husband that was the folks who lived across the street from Troy leave behind David Lefkowitz and they were very close mother till work and uncle is he would go out all through Texas into small areas merchants at the end of each season whatever issues
of it himself bring him back to town how was the job he aspect I then decided soon and within a company to three years that that wasn't gonna work was you didn't have the kind of sizes that you media you got out to the insta-tox what you needed was middle sizes once it's said primarily sizes you got remember what I said didn't sell so he started seeking regular manufactures radio manufacturers were her together because they had accounts all of them in Dallas who were selling at regular price retailers and dollars were selling a regular price been long anybody selling at off price which is what
they have been it's an awful price that's why he did so much business okay but it's time grew and in through the Depression more of these manufacturers needed more business so they begin to get in with the better manage someone better many factors and until fight and I thought this the whole time I was in the business of getting people to keep and we would have a time so it would be like a very good life and it was a very high price brought to us by a company called French rain earlier the guy was carrying French rain earlier which was a Boston helps him
a very distinguished Orion was carrying this is a sideline this was a middle Western pine he was kind of a sideline consultant but so they came to dabble in solving as the French friends he said by this line from him dad bought it and we built that line of how in Edmonds was the mainland and once it got built up the Dreyfus which was a big story that story came after you they have a kind of a police department there and he wanted like so he said well also a trigger price and so it gave him the money and took away from us but we
fought that all the time and I get a glance taken away from this we had a lot of good lines and they weren't doing too well in this area we pulled them up in this area and that's the way it said we'll take a little silver regular price Boyd from we almost got into litigation with it not to get but you know drivers that was saw Dreyfuss was the brother cartoons public key importance married to Kalani large Bob jr. was in the contemporary money we buddy together played football together he went to Cornell he was I - I used to kid about used to be Carnell we stood that but we were good friends surely not surely folks you know Phelps might be public swap she was good friend Herman her brother Tyler Hansen something I want to see her yeah he's very very Korean and her folks um it's a devil who was a good friend of Malcolm Bachman who was a good friend of mine general Brockman's the Brockman's were from Fort Worth a very substantial to expand me there Oh Malcolm went to Yale about
a bachelor's degree you know went to Harvard got a master's the PhD at Harvard he was just an absolute brain just an anime that was a bridge player he played bridge professionally he played World Championship rich and his wife member was very bright - she was a master Richard or herself they're both deceased Malcolm died with him this year and then they died a year before him we still got contact with their children they're all gone from Dallas that was a cactus that was her oldest son departments and the pollak like Ronnie Pollock son was money the third he was a buddy of my son
of Paul was our youngest son and so all these families you know were intertwined over the years after generations I'm at home and he was like I say well we got to be older you know all these people over neighbors havens wonderful occasion and many of those people were my constituents when I went into politics and for one of two reasons either because they liked me and I was a trend are because they believe the same way I believe now let's get back for just one minute to where this all started I was a kid about years but we were living in apartment when I
told you danced with with kidney probably some homework this apartment we were right next door the hemp pills but once a Jewish family probably lovely Christian people and on the other side of us which is right on the corner Michael sweet Hadley Nathanson was the acre which is and then later the reference the reference as a matter of fact have a storm Littlefield Texas where my grandpa think how to Stover there were competitors out there but their family million dollars and it must be good maybe the next generation anyway there was a big for apartments upper what were my parole oversize law and the back
home across the back the one who was a building wooden mill and it had the garage on first of all on second floor were habitations but black people one afternoon they had fired everybody two or three fire trucks and some big fires a wooden structure and pull out in one house keeping in mind it was like late and she had one ball so she everything she always it shouldn't happen which was my tree I hoped she had little ball just gets her own along she brought this out and she said okay so that Furman Franklin truck and a little dog is yapping and fire so
the farmer tells the police whenever police out there - and the fire missile tries to chase the dog well the dog wouldn't go over keep you got me anybody was annoying like understand I couldn't understand that when I was kid so the policeman pulls out a gun he's gonna shoot the dog the black lady runs out and she grabs a policeman the policeman puts a handcuff on the black lady it starts twisting he did that I started to cry I couldn't stand the crime to this day around during a grab my life because I've been her load she's not hurting you she's not gonna hurt
you that dogs not like that man leave him a little bit below and just at that moment my mama when the fire started could call dad and dad jump in his car and came driving out there and he walks out while I'm grabbing this policeman this policeman since kid get away off but I hit you across the mouth and my dad says officer I think you'd better unhand that woman and take the head cut off you said the piece Chief of Police very dude spread the lemon and I have your badge number and I don't think this is appropriate conduct and he did and my
dad took me aside he said son doctor things all the work I've gotta tell you something he said like people don't get respect that it's accorded them by Constitution he said in the first place the Constitution said that there were three fifths as good as whites when the Constitution was written in your life and that the voting of Americans by the Constitution would be considered on the basis of blacks being three-fifths of a person as far as setting up districts and so forth so a population let's move on to six six minutes okay tell us about your family today well we got Paul fielding our
baby it was on city council he beaten record over drive home to get that seat and then did a longtime friendship with punching McConnell you probably punching real godfather of the mexican community he was a big Democrat he was a a labor leader and pulled Democratic Party as a result he set himself up as some kind of a nonprofit organization it was getting free cheese from the government he's give them that free cheese Chicago's out that neighborhood and as a result they want all the elections because they do I don't get the free cheese and then folks from the triangles but Paul fielding went out
there and he were in in that district and I said Paul this is a friendship I'm out of this man for years and do not run against him please you're not well Paul said this is this is a big opportunity and I've been around with and I would meet him the district was actually one-third by one-third Chicago and one-third what and he said the blacks would turn against you she said so with the white talking and he was right to be in and Ponca man me of course no I know he was going to that's a punch on me I asked you about the right
subject anyway so after that that was not I mean you know a regular family I've got four children seven grandchildren and three great-grandchildren and we get together about once every two months and we celebrate the birthdays of whoever is in that month and we have a big party we used to have it here at this house you know we're talking about 20 people sleeping in that room table it's pretty tight so we a good tackle season a big one after the our oldest son left the company company was closed he took his money and he bought marina at Lake LaVon it has a big bunch
of boats out there he rents out boats to the Hudson efficiency and so we go out there and have these big celebration clothes his son and my grandson Ron jr. who is the eldest of the ranch oh he's 42 now has a restaurant about 50 yards all this arena out there is that so it's very convenient to advance customer school in his restaurant and so they're both thriving out there and that's wonderful my daughter as you know was a city council person now she is married to a very fine deaf man that was a civil engineer and a vice president how many Parsons Brinckerhoff which is a Dignan dollar engineering consulting firm he is working big-time stuff secret secret it looks almost present time has been over three years Paul fielding now is in the cosmetics
business with a partner they have a national brand of cosmetics which they sell all over the country you know a place called - Rakesh a uh it's a very fluent Japanese store in New York City it's it's it's a super name of markets or any other just everything's so expensive they're the number one line in that talk of the show in New York they're into arch - I'm going to be a favorite Marcus and racing in this orbit so he's the cosmetics business Linda doesn't have a master's degree from here she takes it out and that's in that image it's a wonderful beautiful thing I
love them that's the essence of my life is there anything you would like to add well I'll tell you or take about six more days and then I have about time so that's that but we're Jewish it might tell you this yes I have fought for Jewish things all my life I have people who are anti-semitic how holy shall as long as I live as long as I draw breath I'm belong to organizations I think the World Jewish Congress it's name is very good too because they do that anything else fine but just it's not as good you