Edith Taub
Edith Green Taub was the daughter of Levy Green, known as Louie, who came from Romania by way of New York, San Antonio, and finally Dallas, drawn by friends in the city. Her mother also came from Romania, and her uncle was Julius Lichtenstein. Edith had a brother and a sister, both of whom died before her. Her father was a fun-loving man with a great sense of humor, remembered for once fitting sled runners to the family buggy in the snow and driving downtown to her uncle Jake Green's Busy Bee Fruit Store. He loved opera and was a fine cook.
Edith came to Dallas in 1902 and first lived in North Dallas, on or near Alamo Street, where most of the city's Jews then lived. Around 1906 or 1907 the family moved south to Romine Street, then to Cleveland Street about 1914, and in 1920 bought a two-story house at 3401 Wendelkin Street, where she lived until 1948 or 1949. She later built a brick home on Kenwood. She attended Colonial and Forest Avenue High School, and after a business course at the Metropolitan Business School worked as a stenographer for the Texas Cotton Growers Association, then for Dun and Bradstreet, which took her to New York, and later James T. White Publishing.
At the urging of her father she returned to Dallas and worked for the US Veterans Association and for cotton broker Louis Tobian. She married Hyman Taub of Fort Worth on June 20, 1926, and lived in Breckenridge before returning to Dallas during the Depression. Her husband worked in produce and later sold menswear for A. J. Smith and worked for the Finkelstein family at National Shoes until his death. Edith later worked at Harris Cuthbert in retail. She was a lifelong member of Temple Emanu-El, active in Hadassah, and recalled rabbis including Lefkowitz, Olin, and Klein, along with the temple's music and choir.
Full Transcript
This is Ginger Jacobs. It is January the 30th, 1986, and we're talking to Edith Green Tobe. Mrs. Tobe, how long have you lived in Dallas? Since 1902. And did your parents, what was the first generation of the arrival? Where did your parents come from? My father came from Romania. And how did he get to Texas? How did he get to Dallas? He came from Romania to New York to San Antonio to Dallas. How did he happen to come to Dallas? I don't know. What about your mother? Where did you meet your mother? was born in Veceraia and I don't know the whole story about her coming here.
Well do you know some of that story how she came to Dallas? No I don't but I could find out because Julia Schlittenstein was her brother. Do you know what the circumstances were that your father left Romania? Why did he leave Romania? I never did know. I didn't have enough sense to ask you. And do you know how he got to Dallas? Well, from San Antonio. What brought him? Oh, he had friends here. Oh, okay. And then he came in 1902? What are your earliest memories of being in Dallas? How old were you when you came? I remember that we lived in North Dallas where all the Jews lived Was that Alamo Street Could have been yes Yes And at that time my father wanted to buy a piece of land And so of all the land he could have bought in Dallas, he went way out south of Dallas to Roan Mine Street.
And that neighborhood never did develop anything, as we all know. When did you move to Romine Street? It must have been around 1906 or 1907. And how long did you live on Romine? Until what year do you remember? around 1914. Where did you move? We moved to Cleveland. Okay. For I guess a short while. And in 1920 they bought the house on Wendellton Street. Do you remember the address on Cleveland Street? No. Or Romine you don't remember. What about on Wendelkin? 3401. And up until about what year did you live on Wendelkin? In 1920 I went to New York for a short visit and stayed three years.
And when my father died, I inherited the house and sold it in... You live in the house until 1949 on Wendelkin? And where did you live afterwards? Where did you move to? From Wendelka? I live now. Where? 69, 20, Kenwood. Okay. What was Jewish education like when you were a little girl? About what years Give you some time 1902 Would you remember I can remember that part of that I do know that I was sent to the temple when it was on Irby Street. And my family didn't know that it had been sold to a church. and they sent me there to Sunday school and when I came home they asked me what I learned and I told them all about Christ.
About what year was that? About how old were you? Do you remember? Well, what time did it start going to Sunday? About six, about five or six, I don't know. I think I was about ten. I would say. And about what year would that be? 1912. I'm not sure of any of those figures. That's all right. I believe Temple opened on South Boulevard around 1913, so you're very close. Before South Boulevard. They were way up on Irving Street, closer to town. This is before they moved into that South Boulevard area. Right. That was just before. Right. And then did you go on to Temple on South Boulevard?
What was the religious education like? What are some of the things you learned about? And was it only on Sunday? You learned Old Testament, of course. I don't recall what it's like. I can't describe it. Well, how long did you go? Until what age did you go to? I was not confirmed. Do you remember about how many years you went to religious school? Do you remember if there were a lot of kids going to religious school at that time? Did most of the kids go on? Oh, I know why I didn't continue. Why? The children in my class were Blanche Mittenthal and Stanley Marker and What was the same girl name Francis?
Francis. There was more than one, I don't know. There was more than one, uh-huh. And that girl... And they were going to dancing school at the...what's the name of that hotel that's part of the...that was on the park there. It was the Parkview Hotel at one time and then it became the Ambassador Hotel? No, before that. It was before Parkview. I think it was the Park Hotel. Park Hotel. I'm sorry, probably the Park Hotel. That's where they went for dancing class. And I said, Mama wanted to take dancing and she said, no, you take piano. Okay. I took piano but I can't play. I have no talent.
So, all right, how did that, how did you feel about that when you were going to the religious school and the girls were going to dancing school and you were taking piano? Frustrated. Of course. Did the boys also go to dancing school? Did Stanley Marcus also go to dancing school? I don't think so. I mentioned his name, I don't know, but I'm not sure, but he was in that crowd, you know. What kind of dance did they learn? Did they learn ballroom? No, no, no. Dance and dancing. Okay. And did the hotel offer those classes at that time? Thank you. I don't know. I doubt that it was offered by a hotel.
I'm sure it was somebody private just using the studio in the hotel. Did that happen often in those days? Did people do that? Mm-hmm. That was the usual? Yeah. What about the downtown area at that time? Do you remember what it was like in the downtown area? Tell us about the downtown area. Well, you want the whole thing? Yeah. My father was Levy Green, nicknamed Louie. He was a fun-loving man with a great sense of humor. One time when it snowed, he took the wheels off the buggy, put on slides, filled the buggy with hay, loaded the family, and drove downtown from Romine Street. he called Romaine because it came from Romania, to my uncle Jake Green's Busy Bee Fruit Store located on Irving where Neiman Marcus is now.
The snow melted before we got home. How did you get home? You can still slide home. Slide home and race parks. I remember that very clearly. What about some of the other stores that were downtown? About what year was that? I would say that was around 1910. What were some of the other stores downtown? There was Rivas and there was Sanger Brothers. And there was... Was Teich's down there yet? Teich Gettinger? Yeah. You know it was Teich Gettinger. Yeah. Was Lynn's down there? Lynn's brother, Everett's was down there. What about the location of some of these stores Everything seemed to be centered from Irving Street to the courthouse I'm sure Elm was there, but I have no recollection of those stores.
And it's Elm, not Elm. Yes. Now the courthouse was where? Where it is now, the old Red Cork house. At the byaduct at the end by Sanger Brothers or past that where El Centro is now. What was the main street in those days? Main Street? Main, Elton, and Palmer. Those three were all? There was no Pacific. Pacific had a railroad track on it. Was the Medical Arts Building, what was in that area? It's now the Republic Bank Building. Was there anything up there at that time? Do you remember? There was some furniture stores if I remember. Okay what was, let's go back to the school now and what the education was like.
What about your schools? Well I went to Paul Hill Hill and then there to... Forest? Forest Avenue High School. When did you go to Forest High School? You expect me to remember a lot. I don't know exactly what day. Was it in the 20s or the end of the 17? Was it during the war years perhaps? Yeah, yeah. In 1920s when I went to New York. Okay, okay. Was there anything going on at the high school as far as the war is concerned? Did you do any type of activity? Yeah. What were some of the things? Well, cadets. What did they do? They marched, they drilled.
Did they have the ROTC then? Yes. THAT PROGRAM WAS ALREADY IN. DID YOU FINISH IT FIRST NO I DIDN GRADUATE BUT when I was in New York I took some courses I have enough to graduate. Is there any reason you didn't graduate or why is it? How is it? Because I was a poor student. Okay. Okay. Did you decide to leave school? Is that it or what? Oh, I took a business course. Oh, okay. Where did you take your business course? At the Metropolitan Business School. And the first job I got paid me $10 a week. I was so happy. Where was that and what was that in Dallas?
Yeah, yeah. Where was it? It was downtown. Where was your first job? It was the Texas Cotton Growers Association and the office was in a hotel. And one day my uncle showed up to see what I was doing in a hotel. Okay. What did you do for Texas Gottena Growers Association? I was a stenographer. Those days there were stenographers, but now everybody's secretary. About what year was that? Around 18, 1980. How long did you work for them? Not long at all. Then where did I go? Now, you went to work for Dun & Red Street? I went to Dun & Red Street and it was at that time I clicked and went to New York.
And got a job in New York with Dun & Red Street. Oh, okay. Did you know you were going to go to New York for that job? No, well, you just figured if I had a job in Dallas, I'd have a checkmate. and they hired me And then I got a better job with James T White Publishing Company And they published... Okay. They were biographers? Uh-huh. Okay. Now what time? I mean you said they did write-ups on people? Yes. Okay. And people paid them to do it. That's interesting. And after I worked there several years I got a letter from my father and he said it's time to come home.
I was 20 years old when my papa says it's time to come home I came home okay and what did you do when you came home so when you came home you worked for the US Veterans Association here in Dallas and they transferred me to San Tom. I was living there and having such a good time that I got circles under my circles. And I decided it was time to come home. About what year? Oh, go ahead. About 1924. I would say. Okay. And when you came back, I worked for Lewis Tobin Cotton Products Association and I soon I met Hyman Tobe from Fort Worth, who was at that time living in Reckonridge in the oil fields.
I met him one evening. A boyfriend of mine came to see me that I didn't care about. Mama says don't throw away dirty things for you. her tit washing water until you get clean. So one day this small friend came to see me and there was a seven passenger shooter vehicle car out in front and I said who is that? And he said I'm just crying to mine. So when he left I walked out to the car with him and and I got out out of the car and measured himself up against me and went back to Breckenridge and wrote me a letter and asked me if he could come see me.
And after some several days he asked me to marry him. And on June the 20th, 1926, we were married. And I lived in Breckenridge. How long? About how long? So you were in Breckenridge about how long? Or until when? About 1928. in 1929 the bottom fell out of the market and we went to several little towns of Texas looking for jobs and eventually came back to Dallas and I got a job with the thank you so he got a job with the Muslims in the produce business okay and He and Jake Molderson drove a truck to Oklahoma at night to bring back produce. He used to walk.
We had no transportation. She would walk from Wendellton Street to the produce market in order to be there on time 3 o in the morning That was on potatoes then Do you remember where the street of the produce was No market area And okay then what happened How long did he work for the Mosesmans Several years. I don't remember exactly. And he eventually got a job selling menswear for Ed Smith. Was it A.J. Smith perhaps? A.J. Smith. Downtown? A.J. Smith. And you remember it arrived at the beginning of Deep Elm Street. And then what happened? About what year? Do you remember whether it was in the 20s, no was it in the 30s?
In the early 30s I would say. Okay. Little 30s. Okay. And then when I got a job for Finkelstein's with... What did they do? You got a job with who now? With National Shoes. What was the name of the family? Finkelstein. Finkelstein. Okay. About what year? About when he was married? Well he worked there until he died. Oh, okay. And up until when? When was that that he passed away? Ten years ago. So that would have been 76? If he had lived till June, he died in March. If he had lived till June, we would have been married 50 years. Anyway, what happened to you after that?
Well, I was still living in our home that we built on Kenwood. You built the home on Kenwood? Let talk about the houses the types of houses that they were through the years When you lived on a row mine when you first came to Dallas and you lived on Alamo Street what kind of house was it That I can't remember. What about a house on a row mine? A house on a row mine was a box. Okay. Wood, brick? I wouldn't have. Did you have any brothers or sisters? I had a brother and a sister. They both died. Did other people in the family live with you?
Anybody outside of the immediate family? At one time Uncle Jake and Uncle Julius both lived with us. When was that? I would say around 1910. Now was that on Romine or was that on Wendell? On Romine. Oh really? Uncle Jake and Uncle Lewis was, I think their last name was? Judith. Last name. Jake Green and Judith Lichtenstein. Okay. Okay. lived on Roanoke. Okay now what kind of house did you have on Wendelkin? On Wendelkin it was a two story home and the house was built around 1901 and it still stands. Okay. And then was there a house between Romine and Wendelkin? You're in Cleveland. What kind of house did you live on in Cleveland?
It was not brick, it was a wooden home but nicer than the one on Romine. Bigger? Was it bigger as well? Was it larger? More rooms? Yes. And when you moved from Wendelk and you went to Kenwood, what kind of house was that? It's a brick. Now what about your synagogue affiliation when you were a child It was a temple Have you always been a member of temple I am now. You're still a member of temple. Did you ever have membership in more than one temple? It was only always temple? Did you see any changes in temple through the years? the service? Have I? What are some of the changes you can see?
Well, Lefkowitz, who was beloved by everyone as far as I know, and a wonderful, he was an orator and he was a thinker. And when he retired, and I think he was teaching existentialism at SMU. Gee, I said that word. And that was Olin. Isn't that Olin? Yeah, that was Olin. And Olin was an orchard, but not as warm a person as us were. And then Klein, who we all love. And I don't know, I can't tell you about Zimmerman. Zimmerman? Zimmerman. Do you remember the rabbi before Rabbi Lefkowitz came? How has a service changed at Temple? How would you say a service has changed?
Or has it? All right, let's talk about the service a little bit and how there's been change in the general feeling of temper. There was always about the same amount of Hebrew used in the service. Some of the rabbis were more intellectual than others, and some of them were ministers rather than- I mean, they ministered to the congregation. In what way? They would call on the sick. They would visit hospitals. They would go out to Golden Acres. And now, I guess we're too many people. What about some of the other things as far as the not using or not wearing yarmulkes in the temple? Well, long ago I can't remember that there were any yarmulkes in the temple, but now you do see some.
Do any of the people, or did any of the people wear to lacing at any time at Temple? Are any of them wearing to lacing now? You still don't see to lacing? I don't see any at all. What about the organ in Temple? Has that always been there? Yes, but not on such a... It seems to me that it wasn't as... That the organist was not as good as the one they have now. And the choir is very beautiful and well-educated. Go ahead Yes And Sargon Sargon has added quite a bit to the beautiful services That's helpful. Let's talk about the choir a little bit now.
Early memory or your early remembrances of the choir, the choir, I believe they were not, or were they all Jewish or they're not Jewish or what percentage? No, they were not Jewish as far as I know. When did they start having Jewish members? I don't know. What about the choir? I have an idea that Rosalie Senator Alexander? May have been the first. That's just my idea. I don't know if it's right or not. Is it all Jewish today? Are all the members of the choir today? I'm pretty sure they're not. Are most of them? I don't know. Okay. What about your affiliations as a child?
Were you a member of any of the Jewish clubs when you were a kid growing up? No. Were you a member of any groups? Hadassah. Hadassah? Were there any other groups? That's the only one that I was active in and really the only one I'm active in now. Were there any groups for the kids at Temple that were in the Temple Emanuel congregation? Was there any social group? Sunday school. And that was just strictly Sunday school? As far as I know it. What about as an adult, were there any groups that you were members of? I don't remember. I wasn't a member. And after you got married, were you and your husband involved with any groups?
No. Have you been a member, or you member other groups? What do you member of me? other than Hadassah Yes No I can only have one financially Okay. Now you said that your uncles lived with you when you were on Romaine Street when you were a little kid. About how long did they live with you? I don't know. Did anybody live with you later? No. when you lived on Wendell Street? Yes. Okay. During that period of depression. Oh, okay. We had people living in the house with us. Can you tell me? We were, we roomed and boarded Okay. These people. Okay. What was the arrangement?
I mean how many? Papa was a cook. Okay. And we had a maid that was paid $5 a week. Okay. Who cleaned house. Okay. And helped with the dishes and stuff like that. and that girl was still living. Her name was Isalene Butcher. Do you see her? Yeah. When we moved into the house that we built we invited everybody who ever lived in the house including Isleene's butcher for dinner. How many people lived at the house? All for now. How about telling us about the general family situation when you were on Wendellkin and you had borders. You came back to Dallas then and you lived in your father's a house is that it?
My father's house. And your mother was no longer? No, mama was sick at that time and my sister and my brother lived there and we took care of mama as best we knew how, took turns staying with her at night and eventually we lost it And what type of illness What did she die of A cerebral hemorrhage. So you knew that she was having troubles already. What about when did you start taking in the rumors? Had you started before she passed away? No. Okay. And so what happened? How did you go about having rumors? Borders. What happened? How did you do that? Let's see. How did it go loud?
Good, Dad. All right. Let's talk about that a little bit. As far as the early years in the Depression, In the early years would you say 1931 is where it hit Dallas or 32 or 30? 1932 I would say. And what did your dad do at that time? He had a vegetable store. His location was on Greenville Avenue across the street from the Arcadia Theater which is still there. He had Highland Park people as customers and My father was a good cook and the ladies would come to buy vegetables from him and they would ask him how to cook them and he would tell them.
Wonderful. And when I was on my father, he loved the opera. he would buy a ticket for himself and go to the opera. And he used to tell the story that the people who knew who they were would come sit down next to him and talk to him with people who hadn't made it. I didn't know him. I like to talk about my father because he was outstanding. Alright, now then, you commented that after your mother, Alisha, died, is when you took in borders. Yes. Well, now you had also commented about with the vegetable, then he started feeling the effects of the... Yes, he's got rheumatism, you know, and you have to wash the vegetables in cold water, and he had rheumatism in his legs and he couldn't stand all that time, so he stole the store.
Okay. And then we went home and he did the cooking. And he always liked to cook. He and Mama would bite into each other which dish we would like best, his or hers. That's wonderful. And he would make tinnous, let's see, it was a sweet and sour. And Mama would make something that she thought was outstanding. And if we didn't like it, which one won? So about then when you start taking in the borders you come in. Where did we get the borders? I don't know. A.J. Smith had two nephews that came here from Ireland. Okay. And they lived with us for a while. Okay.
And it was about that time that Yannick lost all their money. And Shivel and Ray and Felice had to live with it What were some of the other answers Who others So you commented on the Kirschbaum Mrs Kirschbaum and what did she do Well, she worked as Tango Brothers in the Interior Decorate Department. and I don't remember why they knew but eventually they did and that's all I remember. You commented that she worked in the draperies part of that? Draperies, uh huh. Did they sell fabrics or did she actually design or did they do these things? No, no she sold the fabrics. I see. And the daughter also?
No. Oh she didn't? I don't remember what the daughter did. Was there a husband? After her mother died I think she married and I lost track of her. But then there was room and board at your house. Yes, and when my father died, actually the butcher said, I can cook, I've been watching your father. And she took over and she did the cooking. About how long did that, what period of time? Then did it last during the early part, till the early part of the war or up until when that people roomed? The later part of the war, things got better and we made a duplex out of the house.
And we lived upstairs and rented downstairs. And we had no more borders. that you didn't have borders anymore after you made things got better and so you rented the bottom part of the house. Now in your own career after you worked for I guess Louis Tobian and the Cotton Exchange or Cotton his cotton broker what did you do I got married. Oh, I'm sorry. Did you not work when you were married? and we moved to the Reckonry. And a lawyer asked my husband if he knew anybody that would work for him as a secretary. And he said, well, my wife was in the secretary. I don't know if she wants to work or not.
And a little town of Reckonry had very little to do, so So I was glad to get the job. The man was a lawyer and he got his help from Fort Worth and he couldn't keep any help. And when I came in to interview him, or he interviewed He was sitting with his back, the wind was to his back and I couldn't see his eyes. And later I realized that his eyes were dilated and he was mean to the girls. He started cursing me and I cursed him back. And so he threw his head back and started laughing and everything was fine and ran off.
Did you work with him all the time you were in Breckenridge? Yes. When you came back to Dallas now, did you work again? Yes, I worked at Harrison Cuthbert. Did you do secretarial again? No, I was in charge of the town table with Carla. And how long were you there? When did they sell to the Federated Department? In the 60's. Well, I just worked in that department after that because they knew the town of Fayetteville and I retired Now is there any intermarriage in your family Has there been any intermarriage No. What about some of the things you've observed with the Jewish community over the years and its change?
What about the Jewish kids in the neighborhood? Were there any Jewish kids that lived on Rowan Street? No. Okay, what about the kids on Colonial, which was just down the block from you? It was more than down the block. Okay. It was like, I would say, a mile. Okay. And later, not as a child, but later I knew the Goldsmith family. Okay. And that's the only Jewish family that I can remember. Where did they live? They lived on Sloan. Sloan. Now did they go to the same temple or did they go to the sheriff's? No, they went to Shul. Okay. Were there other kids that you knew that went to Shul?
Well, I'm not in the neighborhood, but I did know the Wolf family, you know, Francis, Elise, Jenny. But they didn't live in our neighborhood, but I knew them. Their family was friends of my family. What about the Jewish kids at school? Were there many Jewish kids that went to Colonial? No, but there were forests. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now, do you remember about what year you went into Forest Times when you graduated Colonial? I didn't graduate. From the grammar school? Oh, I thought you meant from. No, when you finished over at Colonial, about what year? Were you the first class in... Go ahead. Okay, the kids at Colonial then, you started, you were going to tell me about how it was when you started.
Oh. My birth is in October and school started in September. So my parents had to pay for me to enter that September. They paid for a semester. Right. And then you went to about seven years in grammar school? Uh huh. So you started Forrest High School about 1916. Uh huh. And you said that there were more Jewish kids in forest time than there had been over in Florida. Were there very few, would you say, in colonial? I would say few. Not many? Nothing like it later. Okay, so the Jewish population, would it be safe to say that a lot of the Jewish population moved in that area after those years?
Okay. When you were little and lived on Alamo Street, do you have any idea about what the Jewish population was like? Jewish population? Yeah. Quite a bit. You know, most of the Jews lived in that area. They called that North Dallas at that time. And that where I knew the Moses room Ray Casper and Becky and Becky Eli Big Becky What was the life, do you remember anything about the times on Alamo Street as a kid? What are some of the things that you might remember on Alamo Street that had more Jewish population up there? The greater population of Jews in Dallas lived in that area at that time.
And I remember there was a little grocery store and everybody used to congregate in a little grocery store. I can remember that I think it was Ray Casper was riding a bicycle and fell and hurt herself badly. Was there any kind of Jewish community center up there? Not that I know of. No Jewish I can't remember if there were. They may have been that I wasn familiar with Do you remember the synagogue up there Yes Okay tell me about that The Romanish Shul Yeah, and my father belonged. And we knew a lot of people that came from Romania that belonged to that shul. But I can't remember their names.
I think the Ravenowitz family belonged to that shul. That's all I can remember about that. Do you remember anything about the shul? No. Well, what about later then when you moved from South Dallas, or you lived in South Dallas until 1948, did you see any changes in South Dallas in the years you lived there? Well, the population was changing. The Negroes were riding places. And we had an opportunity to sell and so we put advantage of it Let go back to North Dallas Do you remember Do you remember when Jewish people started moving out of North Dallas other Jewish people Do you remember I wouldn know what year Okay.
Anything else you want to share with us? Anything? Any other things you can think of that you want to tell us? Are there any other things you want to tell us? Okay, was there anything else that you can think of about the Jewish community and changes? Were you ever in the old Jewish community center in South Dallas? Where was it? On Pocahontas. Isn't that where the sheriff is? It was right around the corner from the sheriff's room. Yeah. Were there any activities that you, what were some of the activities? I wasn't a very active person. and I didn't mingle very well. I guess that's why I don't know a lot of people.
Okay, I thank you very much.