Esther Cronson
Esther's parents and grandparents were from Poland, and her grandparents perished in the Holocaust. Her parents escaped, with her mother following two brothers to Cali, Colombia, where the family took up shoemaking. Her mother saved enough to bring Esther's father from Poland, and together they built a business that grew into a small general store selling shoes, notions, and whatever was in fashion. The youngest of four children by about eight years, Esther grew up helping in the store, even working as a young cashier. Her mother emphasized education, and all the children graduated high school around age fifteen. The family kept a modestly kosher home in a country without kosher facilities, taking chickens to the shochet and salting meat themselves.
Esther attended the Jewish school in Cali from kindergarten through twelfth grade with a close-knit class of immigrant children, many the children of Russian, Romanian, and Sephardic families. After graduating early and feeling unsure of her path, she received a scholarship to a program in Jerusalem to study Hebrew and religion, agreeing to return and teach in her high school. She loved Israeli life and culture, though she disliked teaching young children. Back in Colombia she entered university to study psychology, living at home and commuting as was customary. She later followed her brothers, who had come to the United States for graduate study and medical training, moving first to Minnesota and then to Texas Tech in Lubbock, where she earned her master's degree.
In Lubbock, Esther worked in mental health, directing an early day hospital program, and met her husband Harold on Rosh Hashanah, which they considered their anniversary. When he entered a psychiatry residency at Timberlawn Hospital, she came to Dallas in 1982, about six months ahead of him, and found work in Jewish vocational counseling near the JCC. The couple raised their son Jonathan, who attended the JCC preschool and later Sunday school at Temple Emanu-El. Deeply connected to the JCC over the years, Esther counts among her proudest accomplishments earning a third-degree black belt in taekwondo, through which she made friends from around the world. After surviving cancer she stepped away from taekwondo and embraced yoga, finding a warm, welcoming community she treasures.
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hello i'm joe reingold today is tuesday wednesday february 26 2020 and i am interviewing esther cronson hello esther hi joe tell us a little bit about what you know about your parents and grandparents where they lived where they grew up and what they did for a living okay um my parents were from poland so were my grandparents never met my grandparents their parish in the holocaust my parents escaped by a few years my mother went to colombia first because um two of her siblings had explored the united states now that was not doable so they went straight to south america and somehow somebody told them
about cali colombia so my mother followed her two brothers and worked somehow somewhere i really never got it clear my two uncles were shoemakers so my mother learned to be a shoemaker too she was engaged to my father um they made enough money she made enough money it was not a day and she brought my father to colombia and they started a business being shoemakers and little by little they expanded into a crazy little store where they sold almost everything but it was not like i'm not talking a walmart or target but a many meaning almost like 7-eleven with shoes and motions and um i
don't even remember what else they sold but whatever was in fashion they would sell and uh we grew up there i spent a lot of my free time in the store i used to be the cashier even as a teeny baby and i used to sell even as a baby i cannot believe that people would buy for me but they did it was not like a high class store but it was enough that they survived made more money put all the four kids through school and participated in the jewish community and send us to private school university miscellaneous others so that's basically it about my
parents um did you want to ask me or you want me to whatever you like tell us a little bit about your childhood specifically and your siblings i have three siblings my older sister at this point is no longer with us and they had those three two brothers and a sister and like eight years later i was the accident uh so i was close to them but there was quite a gap and my mother was very obsessed with education so she was pushing us and pushing us for instance i'm not 100 sure but i thank god we all may have been in first grade at
age four i'm not sure i never actually did the math but we all graduated 15 from high school um so i did go to a jewish school the jewish school did not exist altogether when my older two brothers were growing up so they did a little bit of jewish school and they they transferred to the catholic school um my sister did get to graduate from colegio every or he sucks which was the jewish school and the way it was i actually did not totally explore like a cuba or abney when i was growing up because i was not religious myself my parents were kosher but
there was not kosher fluid in colombia they would like take the chicken to the show head every friday and then my mother and her quote mates there is not a better word for it because we did have maids they would pluck the chicken and she would do all kind of brew hood and salt and whatever so she would turn the chickens kosher and they did the same basically with the meat she would salt it and wash it and whatever say some brew hot and turn it kosher but we did not mix let's say milk and meat and we follow a fairly kosher diet knowing that
it wasn't kosher uh however i was a little bit on the rebellious side and i thought that was ridiculous so and my mother used to humor me so when my father was not around i was allowed to have like some sort of salami and i don't know how they bought it that was kosher but they did anyway in a little cheese and but i had to eat it in a paper plate i couldn't use their dishes so she would humor me a little bit because she knew that was a little rebellious um and i don't know where that came from but that was rebellious uh
i got along quite a bit with my brothers and my sister but i was not super close because of the age difference and like like when i was eight my sister left for college so i cried like crazy but eventually got used to not having her and with my older brothers he was even younger because they were like 10 years older than me and 11 years older so i didn't have that much contact except when they came home we lived in a little neighborhood there were a lot of spots where like five or six jewish communities would live uh and my mom was one of
them they were like one two three like seven jewish kids in that block uh we went to the same school all of us uh school had all the way from kindergarten all the way through 12th grade so we were different ages but we would quote wait for the bus together and the boys would play uh soccer with pebbles the girls would try to be nasty i don't remember what we did but we had a great time it was pretty awesome and i loved it i i loved it um what kind of activities did you have in school do you remember when you were young um
we didn't have anything well first of all we did have a school where i forget how they called it but we had the prayer in the morning first thing in the morning all the classes from kindergarten 12th grade we would go to like a little area i don't think we had a torah or anything like that but somebody led us in prayer and then we would go to the same classroom all of us there were 28 of us went from kindergarten to 12th grade there were some changes here and there there was a girl that moved to israel maybe in sixth grade there were some
kids that uh what is that ignoring there were some kids that failed a course before us and joined us and some from our class that joined but for the most part i would say the 28 of us were together um there were some clicks of course as always and i was part of one or two you know like three friends here and three friends there and we would go to each other's houses after we columbia believe it or not at that point felt safe or my mother was in la la land i don't know but i was expecting you no because i was able to
walk to my friend's house without and i made keeping me company or anything so i walked all over cali by myself i uh if i missed the bus my mother did not worry and she just gave me bus money and i took the public bus and got to my school so things feel safe even though it's not a safe country anymore but i did have a lot of friends we had no television i think television came when i was maybe high school even though i graduated at 15 and i think it didn't start until six o'clock and i think we didn't have but one or
two channels so we were always on the phone or at each other's houses or eating i mean we were like always socializing with each other um different things i had like a friend that was of turkish origin and her father had the best turkish restaurant so i would go there and she would feed me and she thought matzo was the coolest thing in the world we would trade matzo for a peta so i have nothing but fabulous memories about that time in fact i still stay in touch with those people that's why and we're talking 60 years ago i don't even know how much more
and now like um the public may not know i just had a surgery all of my friends called me especially with what's up we have each other's cell number we we stay in touch we wish everybody a birthday we wish everybody should not or whatever i don't do two wish but that was a little too much for me when they send me all that tuition stuff um i did go to school my their the way that colombian um jewish community was divided is nothing like the united states we were the sepharam the ashkenazi and don't ask me why the germans they had a little branch
a little floor a little part of the ashkenazi synagogue and that's where they pray a lot of my friends were separated and since my father was religious at the beginning he was a little resistant because they ate rise for passover and they don't quite have the same diet but eventually he accepted that my my friends were uh sephiroth and he would let me spend time with them but it took him a little while to to process that uh but all of my sephirahi friends went to school actually i don't know they call it jewel but they did every friday night so that was part of
my routine i was not so ferrari but we would all go together i don't remember what my parents did they did the chickens for sure because they that left an impression on me they would go to the showhead every friday and um cook the chicken and it was not a good chicken my mother was not a good cook even though she tried everybody told her she was a good cook but i didn't like her chicken it was overdone so i did spend a lot of times with my friends and a lot of times on the streets and a lot of times doing the most ridiculous
thing which was walking like a major quote avenue which is not even like hillcrest or a royal it was more like maybe north haven but it was a big street and he had a couple of restaurants and he had a couple of other things so my friends and i would walk back and forth have no idea how many times many hours that was like sometimes we would stop at a restaurant have a burger or a milkshake or i don't remember what exactly but everything was very very very friend oriented all of us what did you do after high school you said you graduated early i
graduated early i was very immature i still haven't believe it or not i didn't know what i wanted to do with my life i always linked or when i was younger kindergarten i would not like it now and i wouldn't like it even then but i thought kindergarten i even went to her psychology i wanted a psychologist but i was very confused and i really don't remember why there was a movement to send a lot of us to israel so many of us got scholarships to go to israel even i and i say even i because i was not a stellar student so when people
say here that i got a scholarship they think oh maybe she's brilliant you know but they just wanted everybody they wanted us to go and get the israeli um immersion learn hebrew they actually there were some of us not all of the people that went to israel went to this um program but they were like four or five of us that went to this program to learn hebrew in religion and that women was not a sign agreement but there was an agreement that we would come back and teach in our high school because our high school had a hard time in elementary school because we
actually started hebrew from grade one so um given that they couldn't keep the hebrew teachers because i think we were nasty to them all of us from first grade to 12 we we just didn't want to study hebrew and we were all rebellious it was like a class of immigrant kids kind of playing with the system most of us were immigrant kids most of the parents were from russia and romania and and even the safar adams they came like from mexico i think they were they left spain i actually never found the story of whatever happened to everybody and how come we all ended up
in cali colombia but we did it so i did go back to colombia and i did teach for a while second grade and it was the worst experience i did not like teaching little kids i they didn't care for me to teach them hebrew just like i didn't care for the teachers to teach us hebrew i did find it very surprising in here in israel that i learned hero in no time it it was like i was like one of the dumbest students in hebrew and i became professional here in like three or four months very very proficient um were you what university were you
connected to it was a jerusalem university but it was a promise site specifically for it was called which is an institute for teacher for outside israel so they were preparing us for that and i actually found the studies interesting bible i found bible interesting and i'm like i resisted it all my life but it didn't do what my father won and my father wanted it for me to convert to judaism and be a good jew and that it didn't do because actually israelis are not very religious themselves so i fit it righty and it was excellent for me i love the israelis i love their
culture i love their loudness i love how they live live so for me it was a wonderful two-year program and came back and at that point i said okay let me try university again university is very different from the united states or it was back then i'm talking years ago i don't remember the year exactly but i did prepare because the way you enter university is by taking a test and since i wanted to go into psychology then i also had to do some things with the school of psychology but i'll tell you later but i had to restart everything because they test us it's
like a two-day test on everything math geometry history uh spanish it's very intense very very intense and as an aside my brother um one of my brothers got like a 99 percenter and they called him back because they thought somehow he cheated so they gave him the exam like right then again another one and that time he made a 98 he went down by a point so when i took my test i remember all my cousins and uncles and everybody else asking me so what percentile did you get i said i don't care i got in a minute well i need to know every percentile
in my life but i did get it and then i had to pass the other tests with the psychology people because supposedly i had to not be whatever i don't remember what so they gave me all kind of personality tests and oral tests to make sure that i would make a good psychologist eventually and where was the university which one the cali my city university so did you live at home at that point yeah yeah people live at home until they graduate um yeah yeah you never rent an apartment i don't know if things have changed but no you that is like really no i
thought maybe you had gone somewhere else adam's no way i went to university i live at home i commuted i mean the idea of commuting was not an idea until i came to the united states i mean you just take this bus and transfer to that old bus and you get there and maybe you get there early because you're very social and your life is a lot of your friends and you know like a lot of my friends always said your major is cafeteria because i used to be in the cafeteria not even drinking coffee because i'm not that crazy about coffee but i would
drink a cough and just yapping up and up and be friendly with everybody so that's always been my major talk a lot but i did start psychology and there were some political problems but not super bad but i was saying that things were not moving quite there so i decided to move to minnesota because i had two brothers there oh this is family you you have to live with your family so i live with my brother who was married at that point what brought them to minnesota well one of them the first one we kind of follow each other for a long time but the
first one was at that point looking into a phd in engineering he had gotten a degree in medieval masters in engineering in colombia but he heard something about university of minnesota is fabulous so the second one was looking for a residency because he's a doctor and he said okay leon is there so i'm going there and then when it was my time my sister dora had um um finished college i think that in israel she became extremely orthodox so she moved to new york because she couldn't take colombia how non-orthodox it was so for her it was like appalling but i didn't want to follow
that route i mean it was very evident in my family that we were all a different level of orthodoxy like some kept kosher but we go out to restaurants you know and i was like no kosher all restaurants all food didn't care so i followed my two because that's what we did for quite a while i hated it hated minnesota with passion uh too cold the people were cold um were your parents still in colombia yeah they stayed in colombia as of now um [Music] then i graduated from university of and as i was telling somebody i'm never quite incorporating the united states which is
very odd now because i'm dr google i have to google everything but then i really didn't pay attention to how things are i said okay i'm going to graduate school but i didn't know i had to take a gre and apply and i mean i thought it was a little more automatic um so i did take a gre and went back to colombia for like a long summer and i was enjoying myself and came back without knowing where exactly i was going to go and a lot of people like miami and so i stayed in miami for a few weeks and i went knocking on
the doors of the professors of the university of miami and say ah can i join you guys i said no this is not how it works okay so my middle brother had gotten a position as a professor at the university of texas tech so i went to lava to stay with my brother again you know so in the meantime i did take my gre it was not wonderful because so far i did not speak that good english if at all actually i spoke some english but it wasn't superior so i did real well in math and real bad in english um in like in the
united states technically well at the graduate school level is not but undergrad you can anybody can go in colombia like i said it was only like certain percentage and the rest couldn't get in uh so i made the cut in colombia so i thought it was going to be the same but then i realized my english was back so again real casually i did not even dress up put on a t-shirt and maybe blue jeans i went to the department of psychology in texas tech and knock on my couple of doors and knock on this guy's door dr anderson and i said hi i want
to join you guys i want to go to grad school here and he uh believe it or not this has been kind of strange he picked up my accent and he said my son is in the peace corps in cali colombia oh wow so we just talked nonsense for a while he didn't even ask me what i know psychology or what my grades were which were good at that point um he didn't ask me what about my gre i just said well i didn't know much about it you know you know how colombians are is yeah i know how colombians are so um he said
yeah i'll put you on probation just uh there was another guy that was professor says go talk to him and see what he thinks so i went and talked to him never fly as usual and a week later i was in school and i got my masters there so um from there now once i was in the united states with my brother my brother was a little difficult about judaism he still is so he wanted me to at least go to school there was only one show in lubbock and it was actually a good thing kind of um because i went like the first friday
after i had started the week in school and there is this lady that was in school with me and we were like george joey oh how wonderful so we became best friends from there her husband had gotten a job teaching at the department of philosophy and she was a little older than me but she had decided to go back to school and get her master's so the two of us were like all together very friendly the whole time even though she was married i was not bothered by the fact that sometimes i would go to dinner with a couple it never occurred to me that
it was a third wheel or anything and they were very welcoming of me so oh so i spent my two years got my masters boy i'm almost embarrassed to say it but once again i went to a conference and i met a cuban psychologist he was not jewish but he was cuban and he's oh i work at the image more and we really need people that speak spanish so this is where you said well i'm actually looking for an internship i said oh come intern with us so i did what city was that he was in lubbock he himself was in love it was a
conference i don't even remember what it was but his name was pedro maybe that's all i can remember once again i went i did my internship um had a lot of friends always been very friendly and i was very lucky in that department that things went well i was really in love i was very active with the latin americans and there was not too many jews my friend eileen and i did a lot together but i don't know if there was a jewish community of my age at that point at the university so i did not have a lot of jewish peers but there were
a lot of latin and we hang out together and had a good great time and so i did my two years i did my internship and um the people that i work for the name mark said would you like a job after you finish i said yes but i don't have a visa so i said apply for one will help you so they went ahead and they said they really needed somebody that's that spoke spanish and they helped me get the visa i was unemployed for a while um because i couldn't i didn't want to work even as a volunteer i didn't want to break
the rules so i volunteered at some gym and i led some exercise classes and you know it was kind of fun but as soon as the visa came through i didn't get that job and i was the director of the day hospital which i think is still called the hospital these days it was one of the first nations um so i didn't know what i was doing neither because it was a brand new concept right now you may or may not know that people with mental problems usually are not hospitalized they are put into what's school day treatment and that's what i did at that
point so way ahead of my time but i didn't know it and at that point my husband's father uh moved to lubbock because they are from new york jewish he couldn't he was also a psychiatrist and he couldn't get an extremely great job in new york because of the recession he was more of a psychoanalyst a regular psychiatrist so he was kind of switching careers too in her my husband i wanted to get go to med school and people told him that in new york there would be a lot of competition so i think somebody said come to texas and apply so they came and
oddly enough it was they came a little bit for rosh hashanah and i think that there were two he had another brother and the other brother didn't come i think the four of them went to school and my friend eileen said she was going and my brother is always putting pressure on me go to shoe so i went to show and i met my husband on rosh hashanah so we actually considered that our anniversary because we met on rosh hashanah perfect yeah yeah for two fairly reformed almost almost secular jews to me a temple is quite uh quite different so i had my job and
my husband had not because he had taken a different route he was going to be a psychologist also but when he finished his ba he said why should i be a psychologist when i can open my doors so he said i'm going to go into medical so he moved to texas to take pre-med and women at that point so we were dating through it of course he was very focused so it was not like dating all the time i mean i still kept a lot of my friends and went and had a good time with them and we did other things but my husband and
i started dating around then he was extremely focused on his career and extremely focused on getting into med school and um he did get into med school and so i decided i was married to lovebook at that point too because i had to wait four years uh we got married before you start med school wow um and um anyway i continue working in lubbock uh case manager daytrickman what kind of positions in mental health and when he was about to finish medical school we decided to um well he decided to apply within the site of blood and at that point there was a hospital that
is no longer around and actually is not a good name because he had a whole bunch of real bad years where they lost their reputation but back then it was one of the top psychiatry programs in the nation and that was timberland hospital so he got a residency there um a little bit shocking to me because we came for a week and he interviewed we got home we barely unpacked at nine o'clock in the morning they called him and said you got it and i'm like you said yes we didn't even check anything else out and i'm not sure i like dollars you know that
kind of thing i didn't i didn't have a chance to process whether or not i like alice and timberland was in the robot part of town and we stayed near them so we didn't get to see anything kind of fun so then i was really afraid that i would not get a job i don't know why i was always so concerned about getting a job because quote unquote i'm married a doctor but at that point but i always felt like i needed to get a job and i needed to do something so back then we still use papers and i got this on the papers
uh and i started applying and i got an interview like a few days my first application and uh it was the jewish federation building under uh under the part of the jewish family and jewish vocational there were two branches back then and i was hired by jewish vocational counseling okay so i came ahead because i didn't want to say oops i'm in the job for six months from now i need a minute now i i started like the moment he heard that timberland hire him so i came by myself um and i worked at jewish vocational and it was next door to the jcc now
and so i was very affiliated with the jewish community of course at that point we didn't join a school until late later and we didn't join for too long we joined when weren't kid was um little uh so that was it then later on he came and then we did the four years of timberlawn and then we decided time for babies and um we were lucky enough to have one and uh he was our gift we named him jonathan got gifts and um let's see so what year did you come here okay i came a little ahead of my husband by six months in 1982.
okay made a few friends originally i was not too fond of the jewish community but then they were not too used to people from other parts of the nation much less other countries and i did not get to meet too many jews other countries or the few i met were at a different stage of my life than i was you know like i had a cousin here but even though she's my age she was married to a another physician that was like 10 years older than her so most of her friends were easily 10 years older than us in a different stage totally different stage
so yeah we did a few things with them but it was not like oh you will get to go here today we tried but you know after a while i finally said this is not for me um i'd rather do something else so so that's it for the years of timberland a lot of our friends for other psychiatrists it was rather boring um did you join anything else here in the community whether the secular or the i did out of you know you actually originally had said you wanted to know the involvement of my parents in colombia and they were very very very involved my
father oddly enough i'll tell you this story because it's like totally bizarre he had that story that i told you about and somehow he also owned the upper part and i don't remember exactly what he did with it if he rented it out to somebody or but he kept a room and at noon every day i don't know maybe not exactly not online but at some point in the morning or early afternoon all the jewish people that worked around my father's store would come and say the prayers and i also remember my father every morning waking up and putting all the thing in the head
and the thing that sticks out and i don't even remember the names i'm embarrassed but i'm not because i always was a little you know like it looks like blue michigan stuff and but he did that every morning of his life and he had a mini show it was not with a rabbi but there were at least 10 male jews that got together every day of the week for something uh in the upper part of our store so he kept a lot of judaism in his life they were members of the synagogue they were on the board of directors of the school my mother belonged
to a lot of things even though she worked with my father in the store but she was in the whistle and she was gonna ask if she was in whistle yeah i don't remember what else but i think whatever there was she was in it so when i came to the state at some point somebody says you want to be in hadassah i guess so i mean i did a lot of things for guild for my parents and i don't know if i would do it over again or not so i did join hadassah and i i found that meaningless the projects did not have
anything to do with anything of what i was interested in so i think at some point i dropped it i did a little thing a few things with the psychiatric community but even after i had enough of that so um always been at the jccc one way or another but mainly actually exercise my little boy um started mother's day out at the jcc he i graduated from kindergarten at the jccc then i tried akiva for a while and it was too much for him and it was too much for me even though i could help him with the hebrew i just i just didn't like
half of the secular and half a day oh hebrew even because even in my own high school we may have had three hours of hero a week maybe three hours of religion it wasn't as intense as japanese or akiva or any of the schools here this was way too much so we did pull him out and then i don't know when but around some time we decided most of the synagogues are too religious for us so we went with emmanuel and he went to sunday school there for a while but it was mickey mouse i i hope you don't belong there and i'm sorry for
all the people that like and maybe at this point and the robot lives around the block and i like him a lot but uh i think the sunday school was mickey mouse for jonathan um so we pulled him out in uh we had a big conflict about to bar mitzvah or not the bar mitzvah so we did join a program where we would travel to israel and he would say a couple awards somewhere but then the work got real bad right then and my mother-in-law who was still alive backed out and then harold and i and jonathan we were on the fence and we said
okay let's cancel we were nervous so he was never quote per mitzvah percent he went on birthright and they did a little somewhere i forget i think maybe masada i don't know okay um i don't think he was significant to him because he never showed us pictures or anything so whatever you know however he is quite more religious than us um he's always begging us to do passover and i'm like i don't feel like cooking uh his uh he comes here and he brings hanukkah candles and he wants to light candles with us and so and he expects presents even though he's 30 something so
anyway when we had a dog he wanted us when he was little we had to buy seven presents for the dog too so anyway he's a little more religious and more jewish than us even though he is dating a non-jew at this point and i don't think there is talk of her converting and i cannot force it because i would not convert to anything else myself so tell me through the years is there a particular project or something that you've worked on that you're extremely proud of it can be personal it can be professional anything you want i will tell you something that is not
what you would expect i've done a lot of projects i've always been involved with projects uh where the persian war was in fact i joined a lot of jewish women and we package a lot of like for soldiers and we wrote them notes and i sent them novels and candy and a box of um this and that and peanut butter and i don't even remember what else so i was very involved on that but that was like a little something project i've done a lot of little projects and a lot having to do with the jewish community but if you ask me other than my
family which is pretty high up uh what's my biggest accomplishment is actually being a third degree black belt in taekwondo i spent close to 50 years doing it i got to meet people from all over the world all five continents my best friend at that point well i had a lot of best friends and i hate to use best friend work because i have so many best friends that i don't know how to call them but they feel like my best friend so um under that cat under that whatever the word is i have a lot of best friends and i know that makes no
sense to have so many best friends but my one of the best friends back then was from manchester england my other best friend was a male from utopia uh i had another best friend from vietnam in a lot of friends from all over sweden uh other parts of asia other parts of the united states it was just fascinating all five continents represented all people represented there was a gentleman that we were not supposed to ask who does what for a living or what do we do and we're not supposed to use jewelry uh but through the years you do find out there was a gentleman
there was a busboy in a restaurant and there was a guy there was a neurosurgeon so it was fascinating that we were all like at the same level there in what really matter was the belt and you were supposed to um by the philosophy of taekwondo always be of assistance and you could be immersed in your own practice and if somebody came and tapped you on the shoulder and said please help me with my form you were to stop doing your thing and help the other person i i love the philosophy i i love the scent of it because it was very calming and i
loved all my friends there i was not crazy about the master that was another story uh the masters from korea are a little chauvinistic and they have a hard time with women and definitely have a hard time with women that talk a lot which is me you were supposed to be in silence the whole time not talk to anybody and i tried it very hard but i almost couldn't help it so i was always talking something here and there so yeah that's my major accomplishment have you continued it here uh no actually i did it here but i at some point i stopped mainly because
of um a sad story i got cancer and i survived it but i was bruising up a lot in class and i was scared um so i decided to quit it was i didn't want to worry all the time if i was having a recurring eye cancer or not um but i'm i'm alive and i'm here so we're glad about that yeah one last thing can you tell us a little bit about what the dallas was like when you first got here and how you see it now okay well i don't see if you're talking about dallas dollars um well the city of or and
or the jewish community i tell you both the city was lovely um people overall were friendly but there is this texas thing of oh we'll get together and that seems to never happen it's still happening you know like oh let's get together i'm like okay at this point i don't even think about it or plan it because i know the cult will never come i don't know if it's only me but that's my perception i thought the city was lonely lovely i don't quite love the growth it's just getting too big for me but i managed to stay within 20 minutes of my house i
don't go too far don't like to drive too much it's not my favorite thing um i hate what they're doing with the houses that they're destroying it and building those mashems really don't look normal but who i might say it it's not my role in the jewish community when my son jonathan was in preschool again i felt like people did not quite care for me i think the americans overall and maybe some of the texan people don't like loud people and i'm loud it's it's just my personality i don't mean to inhibit anybody or be obnoxious but it's i talk with my hands i talk
with my body i am full of hugs and kisses and at the beginning that didn't go well it's evolved right now and i love it i love it i love it i love that the jewish community opened the doors to everybody i love that we have asians blacks christians indians well indians are asians okay um i love that we're open because at this point i'm meeting some of the most interesting fascinating loving caring people i love that they open the doors to a lot of classes i have become fun in love with yoga so i do a lot of yoga classes the yogis for the
most part are so caring and so loving and so they've taken the place of my taekwondo friends in some ways because they're just as welcoming and loving and so in fact when i had this operation and i i knew i would not be in yoga for a while i was so sad but one of the first things that happened is that one of the teachers called me right before class started and everybody yelled hi esther we miss you and that afternoon one of the yogis came with a card and flowers and so it's been sweet it's nice it changed a and i would say for
the better that's good other than the mushrooms but i cannot fix them i know none of us can but thank you esther it's been a pure delight to interview you and best wishes and heal quickly and get back to work back to what you're doing no no you're good