Flora Leventhal
Flora Leventhal was born in Chicago to parents who had emigrated from Russia. Her family name was Katz, shortened from a longer name when her father arrived in America. When Flora was about two years old, the family moved to Corsicana, Texas, because her father, a sick man, had been advised to seek a warmer climate. He worked first as a shoemaker and later ran a small dry goods business. Flora was the second oldest of eight children, including five girls. Growing up in a town of roughly 1,600 people, the family lived among Catholic neighbors and got along well, experiencing little of the hardship others faced.
Flora grew up with Jewish traditions at home even without formal Jewish education. Her mother kept kosher and observed Shabbos, Passover Seders, and the holidays, and the small Jewish community relied on a shochet rather than a rabbi, gathering for services in rented halls with two congregations, one Reform and one Orthodox. As a teenager, around age 17, Flora came to Dallas with her parents, traveling on the interurban from Corsicana. The family settled at 2912 Home Street off Forest Avenue and helped pioneer the Agudas Achim congregation, which she recalled began in a small building near her home in South Dallas.
In Dallas, Flora began working at a store called Titche's as a stock girl, becoming a saleslady and then assistant manager and buyer of underwear and house dresses. She married in 1928 and helped her husband run a grocery store; he had earlier held concessions at Hunt's Grocery, one of the finest stores in Dallas, and later worked for Ben Morris. After her children, Shirley and Buddy, were nearly grown, Flora returned to work, spending about 13 years with one employer and 11 with another. She and her husband later joined Temple Emanu-El. Widowed for about 20 years by the time of the interview, she lived on Northwest Highway and spoke fondly of the value of work and lifelong learning.
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I'm working with Mrs. Leventhal, Mrs. Flora Leventhal. It's September the 9th, 1982. All right, Mrs. Leventhal, how long have you lived in Dallas? I would say about 60 years. And how did you come to the Dallas area, or how is it that you came? With my parents. In what year? About what year, do you know? In the 1920s or the 1919s? Well, I'm going to be 80 in November. So, you figure, I'd say I'm here about 60 years, maybe a little longer. Were you, you came in when you were 20 already? No, no. I must have been about 17. Oh, okay. Okay. And how did you get to Dallas?
Well, I came with my parents. We rode then the urban and then in the urban they came from Corsicana to Dallas every hour where were you born well I was born which I'm not going to tell you I don't want to know I was born in there but I was about two years old oh okay if anybody asked me I just tell them I was born here I see they say I was born in Chicago that's why I came to Corsicana. Okay why did y'all come to Corsicana and do you know when about when did you come to Corsicana? Well I was not school age I would say about five years old.
Okay so that's about 1907. Well I wouldn't say I don't really don't know. Well that gives me some idea it gives us a frame of reference to go from. Now how is it your parents came to Corsicana, Texas? My father was a sick man. We lived in Chicago and he was advised to go to warmer climates. How he ever got to Corsicana, I'll never know. I don't know. What country did he, or what country did he come from in Europe? From Russia. Uh-huh. And why did he leave? That I don't know. I don know Do you know when he left about what No Oh well all right Do you know why he decided to come to Dallas Well I just oh well we were a family of eight We were five girls and a couple of us already had graduate high school and there was just nothing there for, after you got older, you got, came away from a little small town that had about 1,600, 1,700 people.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Now did your dad come straight to Chicago when he came from Europe? Uh, Ginger Honey, I don't know. You don't know? Okay. Um, did he live in other places other than Chicago when he came here? You don't know? I don't think so, but I don't know. He came straight after that. as far as I know because I was a baby. Now what kind of Jewish education did they have? Was there any Jewish education in Corsicana? No, ma'am. Was there, what was it like living in a small town and being Jewish? Well, it was just wonderful. We had very little problems. In the first place we mixed with all the other children.
I was raised till about 12 or 13 in the Catholic area. All our neighbors were Catholics. And we got along just beautiful. They helped my mother whenever she had a baby. There was very little problem, which you run into that all through your life. But as far as being segregated in any way, we were not. Where did you go or did you go to synagogue on the holidays? Yes, we had a, you know, the Jewish got together, the men, they always had some kind of minion or something amongst themselves. And they would hire a rabbi or a student or what I wouldn't say because I don't remember, to come and they'd hire a hall.
See? The Eltsal, the Oddfellas, and everybody went. There were two congregations, one Reformed and one Orthodox. I do remember that. In Corsica County? Yes Uh As little few Jewish families as they were Okay Did they have then they had each of them had a million of locals Oh I had no idea of that I can tell you I don't know exactly about that. Did they have buildings? Did each of the shuls have their own building? Well, the temple I think did, but we did not till way later. They built a small little red brick building. I remember that. But I was already a good size girl, 14, 12 years old or more maybe.
Uh, did they have any type of Jewish education in Corsica? No, ma'am. No, ma'am. None at all. That I know of, I'll say it properly. We never had a rabbi. We always had a shurkhard. You know what a sherry is? Yeah, sure. Yeah. I don't know. Even my kids don't. Did a lot of the people keep kosher then? If you had a sherry up there? Well, it was not easy. But there were, yes, some of them that were very religious. The Woolens family, they were very religious. And every once or twice a week, Ginger, I don't remember exactly, the, the, should I say, good, sure, Gentile.
Yeah. Well, either. The Gentile market, the man I remember was whites. Okay. We would have, he would give you one block, you know, Yeah. and the Sherkett would go to see that the meat was kosher, killed the kosher way. Right. And you would go, he would stay open, say two hours only for you to shop. He only waited on the Jewish who came. I see. And I was a small girl and I used to go to that market early. And one of the older men, his name was Golden, and they may be one or two, I think that that generation were older than me. I think they're all gone.
He used to say wait on her first cause she's got to go to school. See I was the second from the oldest of eight children so you know I did a lot of I was growing up I say at 10 11 years old Were the kids born at home or were they born in the hospital No they were born at home Did they have a doctor or midwife No ma a doctor Dr Miller I even remember his name Um, well let's go back to the Jewish education. How did you get a Jewish education or would you say you got any Jewish education growing up? I never did get any.
Now I knew we were Jewish and my mother kept culture. Yeah. And we had the Jewish neighbors, not neighbors, but friends, the Wallinses. They were real close to my mother and good to my father when he first came to Texas. And everybody was just like a family. Of course, we learned a lot of people at that time. Sure. And everybody had three or four or five kids. Nobody had one hardly. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. See? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, what was the observance like in your home as you were growing up? Well, I could tell you my mother kept kosher. We had Shabbos. We had Paso Seder. We had the holidays.
We didn't go to school. I would say just normal. Uh did most of the kids stay out of school and go to show? Did you go to show on the holidays? After they built it but we went when they had the services in that. We went, yes. We did. Did they use a home or how did they have the services before they built the or did they just I could not tell you. You don't remember? No, I don't. Okay, that's okay. Now what was your father's name when he came to the States and was there a name change? Did he anglicize it? Well, yes, our name was Katz, but what it was some longer name that was cut off after when he first came here, I'm sure it has.
And what did he do? Well, we had a business. He was a shoemaker to begin with and of course he progressed and we had, you know, the small dry goods and all of us did theft. Um, did he always later stay in dry goods business? No. We moved to Dallas and from then on he suddenly retired. He never went to business here. Now he's been a shoemaker in Europe as well? No, I don't know. I sure don't, honey. What about secular education in Corsicana? What was it like? Did you go to grammar school and high school? I sure did. Did you go to any night school or night classes when you came to Dallas?
No, no, no I never went to any school after I came here. Um, now, was there a change in your observance of the holidays when you came from Corsicana to Dallas? I would say no. Because my parents weren't ever fanatics or anything. Did they join the synagogue when they came to town? Oh yes, sure. They helped to pioneer the good of Saha. Oh, okay. And I remember, you know where I lived? On Home Street? Yes. Right around the corner with some little buildings? Yeah. It started right there. Oh, how did that start? That's how the Goodest Stockholm started. Okay. Well now, was it in a house or what?
No, it was in a little building, store or whatever. It was empty, I'm sure. I don't remember to tell you exactly. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Do you know perhaps how long it took them to get enough to get the Goodest Stockholm? I had no idea. I had no idea. But that's how it originated. I see. That's where Guttasakram originated. Do you know if the men had been members of other shuls or had they just gotten together? I do not know. You don't know? Okay. Can I tell you? Okay. Well, that's interesting. Now when you observed the holidays, you know, as far as did you observe sukkahs? Did you have a sukkah?
No ma'am. Did you folks have a, did they go to show for sukkahs? Not that I know of Not when we were all small and lived in a little town country What happened after you came to Dallas and then they joined the Guttasacham or your father started the show Did he go for all the holidays? Well I'm sure we went for the holidays but that's all I could be sure of. If he did I don't think. Did you have observance of Purim and Hanukkah? Well, when we were young, I'd say 15, 16 in a little town, we always had a Purim ball and you masquerade and went to Purim ball.
That's as far as I can tell you about it. What about when you came to Dallas? Not any more than that, I don't think. Even that I don't think so. Did you go to Shul for the Megillah to be read? No, I don't even know what the McGillie is. The Book of Esther. Yeah. Well I told you I had no Jewish education. Sure, certainly. Now I could have gotten it since I'm an adult, but I had never. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Has your observance changed over the years? When you got married, did you join a congregation? Yeah. What congregation? I joined a good asylum, but I didn't stay there very long.
Then what happened? We went to Temple Emanue. How come you changed? Well, we were older. Our daughter got married. They belonged to Temple Emanue. And to have transportation and so forth, we just joined Temple Emanue. So we'd have a way to go to be real honest with you. And besides, I couldn't read any of this in the Jewish books. I didn't know what was going on, even if I sat there. And I didn't like that. You sat in one end of this place, and your husband sat on the other side. And I didn't agree with that. Now that's the truth. Thank you. Did you not join Temple until after Shirley was married?
Well, just about the same time I'd say, when they married, which is 28 years, and we joined the temple when Rabbi Olin first came. In South Dallas Yes Do you remember the rabbi that was a member was the rabbi of the Agudasachem when you left there I wouldn't know. I don't remember. because I we'd already gone and gotten away from that because I lived in South Dallas up till I'd say the last 20 years. Now you're just members of Temple now then you never had dual memberships or did you ever have dual memberships and you know at the time before you had both No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
What was it like living in South Dallas? Oh wait a minute. Let's talk about, um, you know, where did you live in South Dallas when you moved to Dallas? I lived on Home Street. And the, do you remember the address? Yeah, 2912 Home Street right off the Forest Avenue. Okay. Did you always live on the same location in the same house when you moved, when you came, from when you came to Dallas? Same house, till I married. Ah, and what about after you married? After I married I lived in an apartment one year, then I went to the house on Home Street. Okay. You went, was that the same house you grew up?
No, no, no. Down the next block. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Remember? Okay, okay. Now, where was the apartment? What year did you marry in? 1928. And what, where was the apartment that you moved to when you came in? Oh, Cleveland. Just a block over. And then when you moved back to Holmes? Yeah, because we owned the house when we married. And we lived in an apartment for $35 a month. And we were getting $75. And that day and time, that was a lot of money, wasn't it? A lot of money. Right, right. How is it that you owned the house? Well, at one time, my husband was very successful in his early life.
and he just bought that house, I guess, because he had plenty of money or what that I can tell you But we owned the house I mean all full and paid when I moved in it when I married And then what was the address after you lived on Cleveland? 30, oh on Cleveland, I don't remember that. No on? On Home Street. Alright on Home Street. 3109. Okay, okay. Well Cleveland wasn't too long a street as I remember it. Well, I think it ended at Forest, I think, but I don't remember Ginger. I don't remember everything either. That's okay. Now, when did you move from Home Street?
What year? Well, I'd say I've been away from there 20 years at least. Did you move in the 50s? I really don't remember any. Okay, where did you move when you moved? I moved, you mean I moved to an apartment on Claridge, East Claridge, right off the limit, Inwood Road. Okay. That's the next door too. Okay. Do you remember the address? No honey. How many years did you live there? About 13. Do you remember the year when you moved from it? No. On Claridge? No, that's when I moved away from South Dallas. Yeah, yeah. Well, now, where do you live now? Have you moved from Claridge?
Oh, yeah, obviously you've moved from Claridge. Where do you live now? I live on Northwest Highway. Was that where you moved to after Claridge? Uh-huh. Okay. Okay. Do you remember perhaps, where on Northwest Hill? 6411 West, Northwest Highway. Okay. Do you happen to remember how many years it's been since you moved from Claridge off on it? Well yes, I've been here 10 years where I live now, past 10 years. So that's like 72 would be? That's right, 72. So you would have been out of 62? Okay. Now what type of home have you lived in? Were they all single family dwellings? Yes ma'am. Yes ma'am.
Were they wood? Yes ma'am. They were wood. They were wood. Both. The first when we moved with my family, further up Home Street that towed 2912. Sure. Everything was fine nearly. What about on Claridge? Was that also wood or brick? No, no, no. It was brick building, just like what I'm in now. Exactly. Now, are you living in a single family dwelling now on Northwest Highway? I'm in an apartment, darling. Okay. There's four apartments in the building I'm in. Oh, okay. Okay. All right. Um, now, um, what about the Jewish? You've got to sign that up in Lurit. Oh, okay. We'll go, we'll finish next time then.
What, just tell me about Jewish organizations. Were you, did you grow up in any of the Jewish organizations? Well, I used to belong to, I think, the Hadassah. Then after I started to work, when my children were, I'd say, surely ready to get out of high school nearly. And then I belonged to an evening one. I think that was from that house called Starlight or Star or something. But I didn't stay with that. Then I belonged to Sisterhood, a good asylum and so forth. I was never real. I wouldn't push you, I'll say that. What about general activity? Did you go to all the meetings and did you participate in discussions?
No, not very much. No. In the first place I went to work, Ginger, when Sherrilyn and Buddy were ready for college, you might say. And then I worked for Mr. Ray about 13 years and then I worked for Clifford 11 years. I've just been retired I'd say about 10-12 years. I wish I was able to work now. I think it's good for you. In more ways than one. If you know what I mean. Well I would guess as far as activity it gives you a chance to be active. Well not only active I think you just learned how everything has progressed You just stayed home all the time You just stayed in one place didn you Yeah See Because I would say I learned a lot more after I got through with school in a little town When I went to work.
You learn how people live. You learn a lot from observation. You don't have to get it out of a book. I don't think now. If you're smarter than me, why sure. You should be. You had more advantages, honey. What was it like working in a small town? What did you do when you went to work? I never did work. Okay, did you work? Oh. When you came here... I never worked in a little town. Okay. I came here and told you I must have been about 17. A year older and I started to work at Tatchez as a stock girl. I see. Okay. You just graduated high school?
Yeah. Oh, maybe six or eight months or a year. I see. Okay. And then what did you do? I mean, you know, after you worked as a stock girl? I became a sales lady. Then I was assistant manager in the buyer of underwear and house dresses, a big department. Mr. Z was the manager of that department and I was his assistant. When I got ready to get married, I left. I see. I see. Now, they wanted me to stay, but I did not. Mm-hmm. At that day and time. Mm-hmm. You didn't work like the young ones do today. Yeah, tell us about the attitude about women working then.
Oh, I think it's the greatest thing in the world. I certainly do, Ginger. It is. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. What about when you first got married? What was the feeling? Well when I first got married, my husband was in business. We were in there. They had a grocery store. And I helped him. See, then when Shirley was born, that was, I quit. And I never went to work until they were just about grown, I'll say. Mm-hmm. Peacefully I could say I had a very good life What about the family structure over the years Did you ever have relatives living with you in the household No ma'am. No ma'am.
We didn't have any relatives. Okay. That we knew I'd, everybody had an encyclopedia, we didn't. I'm sure we did, but many years ago, the biggest part I think we killed in some epic then became Europe and Russia. My grandparents, I remember that. But we were a big family and we had everything of our own. We had all the play kids to play with and everything right there. And of course all the kids in the neighborhood played together when we were children. What about, you didn't have any other relatives that would come and stay for a long period? No ma'am, no ma'am. We didn't have no room for him.
But we didn't, I'll say it that way. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Um, now your, did your mother work outside of the home? Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. No mothers worked outside the home that day and time, Ginger. Did you work in the dry goods store that your dad had? Sure. We had sold shoes and a lot of things. Sure we did. Not very much, but I did a little bit. What were some of the other things you sold besides shoes and material? Underwear. We didn't sell material. No material? Underwear and socks and gloves. I don't know. Too many years ago, honey. I was too little.
I don't think most people know what dry goods are today. That's the truth. You used to pin it up on the ceiling, honey, and hang the handkerchiefs and the socks down. You sew them, you pull them off like that. I still think that the children of today miss a lot They don know that milk comes any other way but in a bottle And there a lot of things that when you grow it in a small town you don know a lot more It's very true. Of the natural life. It's very true. It's very true. Now, you said your husband had owned a grocery store. Did he always own a grocery store, or what happened?
Well, in his earlier young life, he was with the, had concessions at Hunt Grocery, which was the finest grocery in Dallas at that time. What type of concessions? Food, vegetables, all the fancy things. You didn't get cantaloupes and watermelons Christmas like you do now. He used to order them from I don't know where for his rich customers in Highland Park. It was a lot different Stan Hunter than today. Yeah, most people don't know about Hunt's Groceries. Tell us about Hunt's Groceries. Well, it was the finest grocery in Dallas. It was owned by John and Jim Clemster. And where was it located? It was located when at first, which I did not know my husband, on Elm Street near the palace I think the palace wasn't there then then it was moved on Pacific and Irving at one of the finest stores in Dallas and I believe one that did the delivered groceries at that time.
What did he do after that? Well we went to business ourselves but in the He left. About what year? I really don't know. I'd say that might have been, I don't know, maybe we were married five, six years. I really can't say. Then he went in business himself, by himself. See here he was at Hunts. He had the concession. That was his business in Hunts. But then he went into this business and then he went back to Hunts, but that was just to work for Hunts. About when did he go back to Hunts? Oh, I don't know. I guess Shirley must have been. seven or eight or maybe.
And then what did he do after that? Well, Ben, he went to work for Ben Morris. And I won't say nothing else, because I don't want it down there, but I tell you sometimes. Okay. Was this, did he go anyplace from working from Ben Morris, and how long did he work from Ben Morris? Oh, gracious heaven, Simon. He was there up till the end there. I'd say he must have been there 15 years or more. How long has he been gone? 20 years. 20 years. Last week, 29th of August. It's impossible, but it is. Well, um, I gotta go, Ginger. And he's early light, and he just