Florence Kramer
Florence Kramer was born in 1938 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, into a warm and close family. Her father, the oldest of four brothers who all lived within two blocks of one another, was a beer distributor who had hoped to become a doctor but faced strict quotas limiting Jewish students at the University of Pittsburgh. Florence was the oldest of twelve grandchildren and the oldest cousin. She remembered her mother's very religious grandmother from Europe, for whom she tore toilet paper and turned off lights before the Sabbath, and a grandfather who was an optometrist in Greensburg. Two of her uncles served in World War II, one in the Navy and one in the Army, and both returned home.
Florence attended Penn State, where she earned certification as a special education teacher and met her husband, Larry. She recalled the strict rules for young women, curfews and sign-in sheets, and the fun of costume parties and campus life. After graduating and marrying that summer, she began teaching special needs students in Pittsburgh, including in a classroom near her home that was affected by the turmoil following the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. She and Larry had two children, Cheryl and Jeffrey, before moving to Dallas, a move she described as a culture shock that she came to love.
In Dallas, Florence became active in the Jewish community, first through the Federation, a cause her father had also supported. She worked hard to find her place as a newcomer among longtime Dallas families. Her favorite charity became community homes for adults with special needs, where young people age eighteen and up live together in supportive houses, an effort she credited in part to a mentor she admired. Her last job, which she loved, was starting the volunteer program at the Legacy of Willow Bend, a role her daughter Cheryl later took on. Florence and Larry have four grandchildren, and she takes great pride in her loving, humorous family.
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Florence 1938 Pittsburgh Pennsyvania let's go back there talk to me when you were just a little girl what was life like I just remember life always being good my father was one of four brothers and he was the oldest and the Four Brothers lived like within two blocks so I'm the oldest of 12 grandchildren I'm the oldest cousin and uh we were all very close very very close what what did your dad do for a living my dad was a beer distributor he had wanted to go to pit to be a doctor but of course at that time they only took two Jewish people and
I don't know how I got in the very Distributing business I think his parents had a little grocery store and it bloomed into I guess a beer distributor business and I always hated the smell of beer so I never never liked beer so so now you said that at Pittsburgh where he tried to go to school they they had an allotment of Jewish people that they allowed in at that time yes he had want to go to the University of Pittsburgh and there was a very very small lot for Jewish people do you remember remember your grandparents at all well my grand uh my father's
parents died very young they died in their 50s as a matter of fact my brother leis who also lives in Pittsburg still um he was born on the day that my grandfather died so he became Lewis you remember what your grandfather did for living the brothers used to talk about having a little grocery store and how one would always steal the candy and one would it but uh I really I was very young so what about on the other side well my mother's parents lived much longer believe it or not my grandfather on that side was born in America and he was a an an
optometrist in Greensburg Pennsylvania he was a professional man and uh my grandmother definitely came from Europe and was very very very religious and I remember having to tear the toilet paper for her on Friday and shutting out the lights in the refrigerator so when you open the refrigerator the light would come on and and that grandfather whose name was lwis also he died about you know I guess in the 70s and my grandmother went to live with my mother's sister now when you were very young uh World War II broke out did that affect your family at all well two of the brothers were in
the war one was in the Navy and one was in the Army these are your uncles my uncles they served overseas yes both came back back home yes do they ever have stories to tell you know it was very interesting but they never wanted to share stories especially my uncle Jake who was in Germany and they did not want to share stories okay they were just glad to be home e what did you guys do for fun we did have a lot of fun um we had a girl sari and the boys had a and my father actually was a hooa in benth and I
hated BBG and so he put my name down and once a year I had to go to a meeting but you know life was life was easy yeah yeah we had fun so what is it in high school enough time has passed so you could tell us that you would do that your parents never knew you were doing I can't even tell you what a rebel I was we stole a car at my friend's house and I told them I could drive and it was you know everything's a hill there and I'm pulling this car out and the neighbor found us we were up on
top of a roof was just the girls we just had what did you do with the stolen car well the neighbor saw it and she came running out and we had to put the car back in the garage parents were out of town and you know they were leaving their their precious daughters together and what possessed you guys to decide we're going to steal a car now well there it was in the garage so why not take it out so whose car was it it was uh Mr grummet and her Mna grummet was an old friend of mine so well after high school though uh
where did you go did you go to college or did you go to work no I went to Penn State also that's where I met Larry and uh I loved Penn State beautiful beautiful campus and lots of lots of fun oh we had such good time we love Joe pno we love Penn State's football team and I was in a special course and I graduated as a certified special ed teacher now where did you meet the Larry oh you know when you go up there were always many more boys than girls at that time so we could date you know every single night of the
week I always tell this to my kids they think it's hysterical we allowed to stay at to 10:00 as a freshman and we had to sign in when we went out when we didn't I mean they really know the fact that now they have co-ed dorms oh they just kept us apart and you'd look out the wind into this gorgeous gorgeous Plaza and the gu are all out there and we were sitting in there because we had to be in at 7:00 during the week wow yeah wow so how many times did you break that rule you really couldn't break that rule it would be
very difficult because they you had to sign in and sign out so what did Larry do to uh win you over oh he because you know we interviewed Larry and he told us that you had a lot of uh dates at she was very cute very athletic he had to do everything for the turny he had a wrestle box run he always had a very easy personality and I we had a lot of fun up there we'd go to costume parties our favorite was he was the organ grinder man and I was the monkey and I hopped on the floor with my Tin Cup and
when we got back I had Life Savers and nickles and dimes it was my kids are in my grandkids are in school now they really have to study really really have to study it's hard to get into school I don't know if we ever studied we must have we got out of school but uh I got a very good education there for for special ed so after you graduated now uh when did you guys get married um the summer after I graduated okay and did you work then too MH tell us about what you were doing I um here I was just out of college
and I'm a special ed teachers there were seven of us we had about 2,000 job offers m w and of course I wanted to go back to pittsbur Park so I drive over the Brady Street Bridge one of the rivers and I walk into this classroom and there's 20 special needs kids in this classroom and in the secondary room there was a loom which was something that we knew nobody has ever to use and it was very difficult because you know this is where they put emotional problems people that can't learn and I think it was the third or fourth day I was teaching and
I had a student lovey Lee Tate and she was probably about 200 lb and she had a grandma and I really panicked I mean I took care of it but can you imagine you're out of college two months so uh then I had my uh first child and my second and I wanted to go back to teach and I taught at a school that was close to our house and uh was torn apart by Martin Luther Kings when he was killed and you know we they built back up and we lived through some very strange times yeah now you come to Dallas was that a
culture shock for you it was totally a culture shock I love Dallas I think the greatest thing about living here we love to travel and wherever you go and they say where are you from you say Texas and they have a conversation they still think there's Cowboys and Indians I mean it's it's three of the largest cities in the in the country and Texas just has such a ring to it I just love it yeah I think it's so much fun now when you moov down here did you get involved with the Jewish Community well yes I mean it took a little time because it
was you know here we were living in this combined almost brothers and sisters and my father decided to go to Florida so everybody decided they were moving out of Pittsburgh and um Cheryl my daughter she would she had a very difficult time she didn't understand why they all had horses I mean they only saw a horse in the zoo and uh Jeffrey because I was this wideeye liberal they had started a school in a um in a public area public education where they brought the kids in bust them in and it was open classrooms oh it was was not a good experience and so then
I bring them to Dallas and they're sitting with their hands folded and he always Tau too much anyhow and I was at the school 2 hours he after we first day he was sitting next to the teacher cuz you know they used to get up and walk around and do what they wanted so it was an interesting now were the kids young enough to adjust easily or did they have a no I think Cheryl had a harder time but you know Jeffrey I hope he never hears this cuz I say it was second grade he says it's first grade we've never and um can never
win an argument with him anyhow and uh Cheryl had a harder time because she was and still is very Jewish and there really were no Jewish people people where we live we were off a Meandering Way and uh that was hard for her now talk to me about what you finally got involved in in the Jewish Community well I guess we I first got involved at Federation and um was very interesting because at that time everything was done by the Dallas sites and really you know we were far north at the time which was past Belt Line and it wasn't easy for an outsider MH
to come in and uh my friend Susan and I we just wiggled our way in and then you know everything changed here and uh I had always believed in Federation my father was a hooa in Federation and so now you know you mentioned uh the Martin Luther King assassination that affected you it's very turbulent time in the 60s in this country um did all of it affect you with the protesting the Vietnam War both Kennedy brothers were assassinated during that time how did all of that affect you well the Martin Luther King affected me personally since they tore my classroom down I was in Huts
the school was down there and uh the special ed was up on the hill and we were in a uh black area I had all black students and loved them and the Kennedy just I was heartbroken I have a son that works in New York and I was going to Melton at the time here at the J and so you see it you cannot comprehend what you're seeing so I get dressed and I drive to the J from my class and there's like six or seven of us here and we're looking each other what are we doing here and we got back in our cars
and went and I knew Jeffrey wasn't in the commercial down in that commercial Financial District but I knew that he took things down there till we got a hold him it was terrible terrible and his wife she was a beauty editor and she was on a a high floor until they got out and ran home and there were terrible stories friends who died that whole the Jewish firm that was on the top floor there were so many friends of theirs and nobody to this day really knows why was there an invention that came along in your lifetime that you went wow how did we ever
get along without that the iPhone the iPhone runs everybody's life my uh boys come over for dinner they have to put their iPhones on a desk and not touch it otherwise they sit underneath smiling at you and clicking their iPhones so I think that's the biggest I guess TV and all of that now in today we're C in 50 years of The Beatles 50 years of Bob Dylan 50 years of The Rolling Stones when you were a kid who was the music that you liked oh the Four Seasons and the they were all you know groups and I think the music was we understood what
it said and it's it's different yeah it's different what's the happiest time in your life I quite enjoyed living so getting married having children I loved all my jobs that I did I said I always had three different lives um having friends met wonderful people in Dallas the High houses community homes for adults which we have started actually Carmen Michael who was such an icon for me it's my favorite charity here and we have children young adults from 18 up who are special needs and they live together in a house and we have four houses now and of course all the state laws have changed
got into everybody's business but they have such wonderful lives and you see them here at the J I saw one was on the picture with the men's Federation somebody had Tak and him and they have terrific terrific lives lives with meaning and it's it's fabulous well you and Larry have the two children my daughter is wonderful my last job which I loved I was I started the volunteer program at the legacy of Willow Bend MH and then very interesting she got a part-time job down at Preston Hollow and and so I decided to retire last year and they looking and looking and one day Andre
comes up to me and says well I think I have the person right here and I said who she says Cheryl I said of course she's perfect she is doing a fabulous fabulous job she is all over the community she's a wonderful mother she's a wonderful daughter she and her brother I would put up against any comedy team in anywhere they're hysterical and so we have a very loving family and four grandkids right what advice does Grandma have for the Next Generation oh right now study it's very difficult for the kids come out don't know what they want to do if they're not focused it's
a much harder world yeah much harder well thanks for doing this today you're welcome