Frank Buckman
Frank Buckman was born in Eastern Europe around 1900. His father, a skilled tailor, was recruited to work in the American clothing industry and left for the United States shortly after marrying, promising to send for his pregnant wife. Years passed with no word or support, and Frank's mother eventually obtained a divorce through her rabbi and left Frank in the care of his grandfather. She later remarried and moved to England, while Frank, unschooled, was placed to learn a trade. He recounted how a man deceived him about letters from his mother and kept fifty dollars she had sent for his passage.
Frank learned to be a house painter and paperhanger in Europe and, after marrying, came to Dallas in 1912. He worked hard to learn English and to establish himself, quickly buying a Model T Ford and a home while many fellow immigrants, whom he called greeners, were slower to adapt. He worked for a contractor named Joe Steinberg when he first arrived. Over more than sixty years in Dallas he lived in the old North Dallas Jewish neighborhood, then in South Dallas on Cigar Street, later building a duplex and apartment houses. His trade earned him a comfortable living, and he took pride in his industriousness.
Frank was part of Dallas's close-knit early Jewish community, when residents lived near Cedar Springs, Akard, and other North Dallas streets amid Yiddish-speaking grocers, butchers, and shuls. He recalled the Orthodox congregations, the Talmud Torah, and the Arbeter Ring Yiddish school on Forest Avenue, where he helped bring children to classes. He gave an early donation toward a new shul and remembered visiting Yiddish theater troupes that toured Dallas. His first wife suffered ill health and repeated miscarriages and could not have children, a lasting sorrow, as Frank loved children dearly. She died decades before the interview, and he later remarried.
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7th, 1973 and Mr. Frank Buckman is going to tell us about coming to the United States for a... Well, actually, I want to tell him before I come here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see, that was a long time ago when I wasn't here yet. My mother was married and she's supposed to have a baby. And her husband, my father, he was a tailor, a trade. At that time, they have big factors in the United States. They opened up our clothing business all over. have no good tailors to work for, you see. And they were sending a man to all countries, the cities, to find out good tailors.
And he was a good tailor, my father. And he made a deal with him. He's going to give him pay for the shift card, take another thing and leave a little money for his wife and he'll take him to the United States. And it wasn't very long after he was married, young man. What year? About what year? Well, it must be seventy years ago. About 1900? Yes, seventy years ago. How old are you? 73 now. You're 73? So he come in and I'm home and told my mother, you know, something happened to me. She said, what, a man who's here from the United States and you want me to go over there and they're going to pay me good money and I'm going to have a good job and I'd like to go there.
She said, what are you going to do with me? I'm going to have pretty soon a baby, now by myself, a baby, going to leave me here. He says, well, I'll send after you, it wouldn't take long. So he went to the United States, and it passed eight years. She didn't hurt a thing, not a car, nothing. And she was I already had the baby we gone about I was about seven years old old She had received a letter from my mother from my father So he is doing pretty good. He's already in business for himself. And he wants to send after her and the baby to come to the United States.
And she was so mad at him, you know, because she didn't send a dime for all the eight years. And she was awful poor and after working hard to support the child and herself and all, and he didn't say nothing and she thought she let him wait a little bit. She says, you know it's a good idea, but I think it would be a better idea when you come here back and you visit your parents, your brothers, sisters, and then he go to the United States and she thought maybe he'll come. When he got that letter, he didn't answer it, but the rabbi answered the letter and it says there, Mr.
So-and-so, Mr. So-and-so, when you open up this letter, you will divorce from your husband. She couldn't marry again because because she was, don't know if he's alive, is he dead. And eight years ago, she didn't hear nothing from him. So she at least got a divorce. She was happy. And she got me over my grandfather's house. He took care of me. And she went to different cities, looking, working, getting all kind of jobs. And the time goes, she said. Time goes, don't stay in one place. So she was working in Kashinov, I don't know if you know that city. That was a city that was well known and a big pagom in 1904 was it, when they had that pagom, kill other huge people.
And she was living there and she was working in Kashinov. She find a very nice man there and he says he wants to go to England, to London. Don't like to be in Russia, there are pagans that are the people. If she wants to marry him, he'll go with her to England. She said well that a good idea not to lose here Is this good So they went to a gun And I was already been going out I was 10 years old at the time and they didn't send me, nobody sent me no schools, nothing, they've done a school. So the person I was learning the trade, he was writing my letters to my mother.
So when it was about when? When I was ten years old. He write to him and he answer to him and they read it to me and I believe everything he told me. I didn't know about her. One day she received the letter, my dear son, my husband and me, we decided to take you to England. We're going to send you money and everything, you come be with us. And he sent fifty dollars, he sent fifty dollars in cash, and I never used to come to notify yourself in Warsaw, you over the city of Warsaw. And they got offers there with all convenience. So I got to do, she drew him the letter.
And he bought my fifty dollars the boss. He never gave me that money. He bought it. And he wrote the letter just backless. I don't want you, you're a bad boy, and I don't want to see you, you stay there wherever you are and everything, it made me mad. So he said, you don't have to answer anymore. So he didn't answer. But meantime, time goes. I'm getting to be over 19 years old. And I was working in the house from 10 to 19. How many years is that? It's nine years. Huh? Nine. Nine years? Well anyway, I was working there in the house. And he had this daughter, he had two daughters, was the youngest.
She was a 20-year-old girl. And he wanted me, I told him I wanted to go to the United States. He said, you don't have to go to the United States. You can be here you be with me in business you going to marry my daughter and you stay here I said listen their name was Bessie In the United States it's Bessie. In Europe it should be Bessie. He said, you like her, she likes her very much, and I like you too. So why not marry her? Stay with us. I said, listen, I cannot imagine, she is to me like a sister. I raised the same time she was a baby and I was a baby and I can't do that.
So I refused. Then I went to another town, left this town, another town, because they was looking for me to send me to the armies. But I went in a different town, and I find a bunch of girls and boys my age, and they have a club there. We used to come every night, singing and dancing, a lot of young people. and I would enjoy to be with him and everything. And I have a boy, which he's an educated person, and I had a keyboard and letters and everything in my toolbox. I took out my letters for safety, see, took them out and told that boy, he was very close to me, he liked me.
I said, I said, would you read all the letters for me? I'd like to know what's happened to me. I didn't know nothing about it, but what she said. So he read, it comes to this letter. My dear son, he and my husband, is very nice and he wants to have you with us. And he wants to really, me and him, willing to send you money to come and live with us. I don't want you to be in worship. And I sent you fifty dollars and that was the worship, everything. I said, wait a minute, read this again. He read it again, the same thing.
I said, this letter was a, when he read it to me, he was lying to me. I can see now, he was lying. Well, it's gone about ten years already. I tried to write. Long time I couldn't get my answer, wasn't it, on old bad words, you know. So we just decided this happened. So when I was together there, had a bunch of them, it was there, we had to have some kind of thing ever said. And I cross the street, comes over a girl, She hid herself in the closet, but the door was open. Nobody paid attention to her, and I just happened to see her.
When everybody's gone, I come up to her and say, Come on out, come on out, I know you're there. So she comes out, she comes out very tall, nice built, beautiful figure, big blue eyes, her face like a doll. It's so beautiful, but she, she has got no clothes in it. She wears her mother's old dresses, Saricene, she puts it again. She wears shoes, old shoes and everything. She never come in. And she's so nasty, you see. And I say, where do you live? She says, across the street. So I took her to cross the street. And I said to her mother, I find your girl behind this closet, and I like to know what's the matter with her.
I said, can't you dress her up and be just as good as any girl? Why should she be so nasty and have no clothes on it? She says, my husband's a Porsche maker, and we hardly make a living. They ain't got no money to care of her. I says, if you had money, I said, did you have any money? He says, I got $300 saved for her, for nothing. He was means nothing. Yeah. And then anybody come and she engaged to get married, I give him the $300. I said, if you would give me a hundred and a quarter, I'll fix this. You told her, she would never have to give money.
they give it to hear her. Well I took her in town First thing I took her they in Europe the houses there I got got no bathrooms Batten them on the bedtops a lot of things you know I took her there, they gave her a good hot bath and washed her and cleaned her. Then I took her to her beauty power. They gave her beautiful air-consens, straightened up everything, and fixed them up everything. And after that, I took her to a big apartment, so like here, a Jewish apartment. And he was a very rich man, and he had a son about 25 years old, and he said to me, You know I got a problem, I can't do nothing.
I tried and nobody can help me. Maybe you could help me some. He always comes with a shiksa. And I don't like those shiksa at all. And I want him to get mad for English and English because this is business. I'm overhauled and sick and pretty soon going over to him and he has a shiksa for our wife. wife and I don't like it. If you could help me find a nice, you can see the girl." I says, I think I've got something for you. So we dressed up the girl and he stole her. He comes out and I told her to come in and show me the street.
He saw her, he was excited. He said, you know, I'll pay him a hundred dollars a week to come every week a few hours, stays with him, so we have a hundred types of clothes. I says, no, this is spoiled, this business is what I think to do with her. Don't do that. I know the boy too. And I called the boy and said, come on, take a look. What are you thinking? Where did you find her? I said, this is my cousin. She comes to visit, even big sit at this. And now I tried to give her a good time. Oh, I like it.
Can I take her out? I said, sure. He took her out to different places, and then showed. He bring her back home and it didn take time He was stuck to her And the father he was so excited and so happy He made a, how do you say in English? Engagement. Engagement, yes. He made an engagement and sure. And he invited all the poor people from town to have that dinner. and everyone have a dollar in cash besides, and he made a special, and the whole city was talking about the music, was like a dilly. Then it didn't take long. He said, I'd like to meet a father.
I said, and I told him, listen, don't be excited. He's awful poor. because they live in a poor little house, often poor, furnished, so don't pay attention. But they're nice people, good-hearted people, but just couldn't help themselves. And he came in and talked to the father, the mother, nice, quiet people. And when he decided they should get married, he took their family, hers, out from the shack and put him in a nice home, rent a house for him, and he rent a store in town, not the way out there, for his business. And when they got married, the whole city was celebrating. That was a wedding, but the whole city in different cities couldn't forget.
Then the newsboy come and take a picture from me and from her and paint and printed the whole story what's happened with the girl with me. I am I discovered her you see. After she got married I said to him you know I've got a problem too. He says well I'm engaged a girl which I was the one I assure you and we She wants to go, people want to go to the United States. Why? Huh? Why did you want to go to the United States? Because she had a brother here, my wife, has a brother here. And she had wanted me to go with her to Dallas Texas But I tried to save money but it making so little there you have a very long time to make not money to go to the United States He said, I'll save you probably.
I said, what? I'll give you a thousand dollars, and I'll give you a girl a thousand dollars, that covers up, that shifts cart and everything, and then that's the money. That's for your present, what you've done to me, he says. And that was a hot thing. The whole city was talking about it. And everybody had a girl where they couldn't wait to marry. Where would they come to me ask me to help them out, you see? It was going on. I couldn't, I couldn't cross across the street. I couldn't get the dog. But everybody's coming, asking me to help them out, you see? But then was, I went to United States and she got married there with that boy and the old man was awful glad but he did what he wants to do before he died and that's the end of the story of this story.
What year did you come here in the United States? I came 1912. 1912? Yeah. You were what? Well I was already married in Auckland, I see. But I came here in 1912 It's about sixty, sixty years, over sixty years since I'm in Dallas. So you were already in your twenties when you got married. You were what, twenty-two when you got married? Well, I was something like that, you know, because time don't stay, you see, before you decide what to do, when to go. It's happened when the city where I come from, they have the same trouble, they have a rich man and he had one son and when they take him in the soldiers in the army, you see, if they're a certain amount and if it isn't, lots of them are on the way, they're on the United States.
So he lost, they take his son, only one son, and he wants to pay a good price. Everybody go to the army and then let him go home, you see. And he sent, and I was in a different town, but the town, he come to the same town where I was, and he, on the market, he was talking to the, to the not express we call the taxi caps people and they know most ever about it and asked them if he they knew me he says yes i know says if you don't tell him i've got some money for him he wants to go back in the army and they they told me he's here but they didn't tell me didn't tell him where I was and everything, and I said, you tell him two words.
I hopped in a boot, I don't want your money, and I don't want to stay here, I've gone to the United States. And I didn't go back, you see. Because when you go in the army, they don't let you go. Well that's the story from this, this. What was your trade when you came? When you were in Europe? I learned that in Europe to be a house painter, paper angle. That's what I've been doing here in Dallas, see, all the years. And I make pretty good. In fact, when I come here in Dallas, my wife has a big family here. And they was kind of leaners, you know.
They couldn't learn from them anything. They couldn't speak, they couldn't do that. And I was trying to learn faster than they do. Then I was trying to go on and try to be in my business so I can make a living. I catch the door and off it quick, you know. I learned everything so quick, you know. I was trying to make money in the first day I was to have four more payments in Dallas. I went to see yesterday, Tuesday, in the Golden Hacker, a man which I worked for him and I come to Dallas. His name is Joe Steinberg. He was a contractor and I worked for him.
So I went to visit him and I come to him and talk to him. He didn't recognize me. He don't remember me, either or not, I thought maybe I remember something, but he don't. So they seen first thing I did I bought me a Ford car you know those what they call it Shalapya some model T Model T yeah Then that the first thing I did I go into the pinkies I go away like a millionaire see I was jealous After that, I bought me a home. And all those greeners, they didn't even think about getting a home. And I bought it. Of course I didn't buy it for cash, but I bought it, paid it half in time.
And there was nice, nice furniture and everything, dressed nice, my wife was dressed nice. So they couldn't take it, the family. They were so jealous. They took the whole bunch and went to Los Angeles, left me in Dallas. I was here and more and more years come, they get poorer and I get richer. And they used to come here and they couldn't say that. How are you? I said, well, if you are a mate, you do it, but you don't know how to live. My sister-in-law, that's what she had, was so mean, so jealous on my wife. And my wife was a plain person, you know.
She didn't know no monkey business. So Senge bought us, had a sale at that time, and she bought a coat, a beautiful coat. And she went across the street, she lived and told my sister-in-law, Fanny, how you like this coat I bought on a sale? She looked at her, and she didn't have no coat for long, never ever coat. And she looked at her and said, oh my God, why do you buy a coat like this? You're going to be that they're going to laughing at you when they see you on the street. You're going to look like a Mexican. And my wife don't understand that, you see.
She comes home and got so sick of it and cried because she told her. I said, listen, you don't understand your sister-love what I do. She hasn't got no coat. Well, you get it. She hasn't got it. She don't like to see you have a coat. And that's why she's talking. And I stopped her crying. Later on she bought a blue suit my sister a blue suit and everything and she comes in and shows to my wife My wife still knew no monkey business. She said, oh, fine, twig is in dirt. You know how it is. That's a fair nice suit, twig is in dirt.
Oh, wow. And I was sitting in the kitchen eating supper, and I hear that. I say, wait a minute. I want to see that suit. I got to see it. So I come in, stand up and see. I stand up and I look, I look. You crazy? How come you put a suit like this? They don't fit you at all. They fit in a schwarze. So anybody but you? You're crazy wearing a suit like this. Oh, she was so excited. She went home, and she started to cry. I says, now, you see what you told my wife? Now you feel as she feels. Don't you never do anybody show your episode?
She says, nice, took us in bed, so beautiful. But don't be silly like you mean and talk foolishness like this. Last week you were telling us when you came here and you saw everybody speaking Giddish and you wanted to learn English. Oh, that story. You see, all the Jewish people, I don't know if you remember. Where did they live? Yeah, go ahead. They live in North Dallas. What streets? Highland Street, there. There are all kinds of streets there. City Spring. They all live in that neighborhood. Is Highland, is that Accord Street now? Acker Street there and all that, they all lived, and over there was grocery stores, Hiddish here, the rabbi, the shurkh, you know.
Wherever you go, a butcher shop, wherever you go, Jewish people. Church of the butcher? Yeah, and they don't speak no English at all, nobody. And I was there already about close to a year, and I couldn't speak anything. couldn't catch because they didn't talk. And I said to my brother-in-law, say, I am going to get so I can speak to the American people I can learn out in here what you do He says well the best thing to do he says if you if you go to the farmers you buy a wagon, put some old kind of merchandise, old kind, and you go to the farmers and stop and sell it, sell it.
In the meantime, you learn something every day of work or something. I thought that's a good idea. So we got it all filled up. There was ladies' dresses, socks, and overalls. So she takes what they used every day. And I was as far as Boxer Hatcher from here. No one said, a big dream. come and now I was stuck in the middle of the street and I don't know what to do. So I saw a light shining from the house so I come up to the house and knock on the door and then I think now I am going to ask her what I want.
I catch a few words you know but now the work matched in the places and she come out she says what do I said, Mrs. can I sleep with you here tonight? She says, what? Like this. So I thought maybe she didn't hear me. I told her again, and she come out with a shotgun and tried to kill me. Boy, I got so scared. I pick up my hand like this, and I was awful scared. And the husband saw her, said, wait a minute, honey, wait a minute. minute, don't kill that man before I talk to you. See, he comes out. He said, what do you want?
I'm not telling the same thing. I said, mister, can I sleep with you tonight? She said, he told me the same thing. He said, wait a minute, we got to find out. He said, How long are you in the United States? I'm sure, with one finger, I'm born here. Can you speak English? No. No. He said, you see, I was in the army, he says, and I've been with a lot of Jewish boys, and I learned how they speak, and how they use those words backwards and everything, and I'm used to it. And he, we don't have to treat them like you think, to kill them.
We got to explain it, we got to talk to them, tell them how to say it, be nice to them. And he talked her afterwards and she got kind of soft. She took me in the house, gave me a nice bath and I got supper. Then he put the horse in the stable. and next day she called up all her neighbors and they come and over and she told them the story and everybody is laughing and laughing and in the meantime they brought out all the merchandise everything they got done, all gone and I said, thank you, thank you she said, come back again, but don't tell me what you said Yes, that's the way it happens sometimes, you know.
You don't know the language. It's awful hard, you know. What were the shuls like when you came here? Huh? What were the institutions, the Jewish institutions like? Very, very orthodox, orthodox, you know. The old-timer, they come from Europe, they awful kush and awful everything. you've got to be so and so, otherwise they wouldn't like you. What about the Abba the Ring? How is it that that was formed? Well, the Abba the Ring, I've got a picture, won't you see? You were very active in that, weren't you? I was not very active, but I was trying to help, you see. And the auditor was existing, he had a...
Yeah, we were very, very close to each other, and then I was celebrating my 25th year anniversary, married in Wayseri. And I was, I made everything 25. I started it, come on just perfect. I started, I was 25 years married. I was 25 years in the United States I was 25 years in Texas And I brought and I invited 25 couples to the party and everything 25 you see When was that? About what year? What year? Well, it must be, I was that 25 years married, and I was married in my five, 35 years. And she died later, oh, must be about, about 35 years ago.
And I want to take a picture from everybody. So I went to the furniture company, Enders' furniture company. I remember I bought from them furniture 25 years ago for $25. I come to him and tell him, you remember me? He says, yes, I bought from you furniture. look at the book? He said, yeah, that was the 25th date of the month and you bought a $25 furniture. I said, without one now, to rent from you 25 chairs. I've got, I'm going to have company but I got enough cash for them. He said, you know, I like that idea. I'm not going to charge you for sending you the chairs and tables and I'm going to take a part of this pilot and he sent down men with the taken pictures and then a reporter but he writes he used to be a reporter the news that he used to write in the end like this believe it or not it's happened and you all the article you see but I've got it now everything 25 I got a picture there fit in the house I like I'm not as sure to you sometimes.
See, that's what happened with this. I didn't go too far. I think we were going to eat in a person, fifteen minutes after. Well, there's so many things I went through in my life. I can hardly remember everything. I think I remember more than anybody I know they remember Can you tell me something Let go back to the shills You started talking the shills in the community and what about the shul which shuls were organized and where were they I tell you something yeah This shul was here in Elkris you know To Farrak Israel. Yeah. That used to be the first one, used to be in North Dallas.
And most of them belonged to the shuls. but some of them they didn't couldn't afford it so it belonged to a shoe cost money. And I was not very long in Dallas about two three years at a time. I was living in a house for one, Weinstein de Malomet, I don't know if you heard from him or not, he used to be a rabbi for children, learning them. So I used to live there and from by, going by the shul to go in town after come by the shul inside of it. So they have a meeting there. Now before, before the meeting I was passing by, my brother-in-law said he wanted me to go with him because he's gonna have youths and his fighter and maybe they showed the one, They got that ten people at least.
So he went in to the shul and they had an old man staying by the door. He looked at me, said, what are you doing here? I said, what's your business been doing here? I want to come, I'll come. No, you shouldn't come. I said, I didn't have to ask you. I want to come. So later, next time, happened, I passed by And they have a meeting in Shul. They bought a lot in City Springs to build a nice new Jewel. And they have members there, everybody, whoever, whoever he wants to donate it. And they saw me coming, and I don't know if you remember Ben Abler, I used to live in his house.
And he said, call me and let me see what he do. Call me and I come in and see a lot of, all the people. He said, and he showed a list. You see, all those people donated for the Shule. How much can you do? I said, I'm sorry, I can't compare with them. I just a short time in the United States and I didn make that money to give away but I got in my pocket It all the money I have I can get no money in the bank But I'll give you a donation at $25. He said to them, you know this is the best donation we ever had for a whole day?
They promised us, but who knows? You got to go and collect and then they wouldn't give you the money. they come back again, this you got the cash, $25,000, it's the best collection. So I give it to my end and they start, they didn't build that shoe. Our old company bought a lot and made a guessing station. And then they moved the shoe from the City Spring in Eckers. And I take it, yeah, maybe second. And they build a new shoe, a new shoe, and South Dallas, you know, lots of them move it back there, you see. And some of them, most of them move away from South Dallas, you know, move to South Dallas.
And that's the way the whole family, I know lots of which I've seen them. I was at the Goldenecker's and they saw me there. They remember me more and I remember them. Everybody come to me and, oh, my God, I haven't seen you so long. How you doing? And I looked at them and I don't remember. It was long time. About 62 years is a long time. I mean, in our time when you live here, see. What about the temple people at that time? Temple people, I never was connected with them, you see. The temple, first temple there, and I come to Dallas and Hervey Street, South Hervey Street was the first temple.
And the next temple, they moved to South Boulevard. That's the next one, you see. I remember that. But I used to, sometime I used to go there, and there's some kind of celebration or something. But I wasn't connected with it. Did the people that went to temple also live in the Akard area or McKinney or did they live South Dallas already? No, they moved in South Dallas, moved in. After the, after the war, Some of them made money and they bought homes and they moved by, farther away. You talking about the Second World War? Yeah, after the Second World War. And what was it like after the First World War, 1918?
Well, they, they was not rich, very little. A month, you should have rich at that time, you know. but they was very close to each other, not like today. If they know anybody needs some help, they used to help each other. But now you could be a neighbor, and you're sick or you need some, you wouldn't pay attention to another. It's life today. What about the Arbat the Ring Shula? How did they decide to farm it? Well, they decided we have a Hridish organization. They're talking in the meetings, Jewish, and it's nice. The children growing up and they're supposed to know our language, write us when they get older and talk to us.
So they decided they're going to order a teacher from the Yorge, which we learned the Jewish, the children reading and writing and all that. And that's where started the shuling, you see. Everybody gives them money. And they bought a building, a Forest Avenue. Remember that building, Forest Avenue. They have that shul over there, you see. Oh, they're lots of entertaining because they need money to exist, you know. And it was going on for a long time until everything gone to nothing. Why did it stop the Shula? Everybody, some of them moved away, some of them, the older people died, the younger people didn't care for it.
And that's the way everything goes, they go to pieces. Did the kids speak Yiddish? Did they come out speaking a good Yiddish? Well, if they belonged to the shula, they did, you see, when they was younger, you see. They speak Yiddish read Yiddish and everything but later they didn care to read and speak Yiddish They thought their parents was crazy to talk in Yiddish Yeah that right Did they? Yeah, they didn't like it. Why? Well, they thought, we here in the United States, we've got to speak American language. That's what they did. And I said it like that. Did they speak Yiddish in school, in the Shula?
Did they speak only Yiddish? No, in Shula, yeah. In the Shula, in the Volksshula? Yeah, but not in... Not in America, yeah. Yes, regular school. Did they go to Shula after school? No, they didn't need to go, and they have got to the Shula most of the time, afternoon after school time see and i used to bring lots of kids in my car after the and then i take them home you know i enjoyed that to do and i've been doing it a lot of kids children they remember me i used to bring them in like like yesterday did they go to hebrew school too then or did the kids that go to Shiloh didn't go to Shiloh?
No, just Hiddish, not Hebrew. Hebrews, they called this the Talmud III, and that was in the arbitrary, too, you see. It was. But some of them, they don't care for Hebrew, just want the language they use every day, you see. And that arbitrary is most of them is disappeared, not going on now. Then the kids that wanted to learn Hebrew went to the folk show and learned Hebrew, and the kids that wanted to learn Yiddish went to the Yiddish? Some of them, they learn Hebrew, some of them, it's too hard for them. Learning in the day school in English, then you come to the library learning Yiddish, and Hebrew is too much for a child, you know, for everything.
So they done the best they could, or they can't learn. Was there another Hebrew school too at the same time? Oh, they have the... At the same time they have the arbitering Was there another Hebrew school They have some school They call it the Talmud Torah Well who had the Talmud Torah Who was the Talmud Torah The Shul The Shul They organized the Talmud Torah, and they have rabbis, they call them, like teachers, you see. Yeah. Which they was Orthodox, you know. Yeah. They were learning the children, you know, read and write and speak Hebrew. When it comes to, when they get them 13 years old, they get the bar mitzvah, you know what that is.
And everything, yeah, but it didn't exist too much. People get older, bigger, they don't care for it, you see. When they was young, they was doing for his mother that they wanted him to do it, you see. In other words, they didn't care for it. What about the kids who went to Hebrew school? Did they have a Milan too that would have done them to the bar mitzvah? Well, it was, this was the shul. That was the Talmud Torah was connected with the shuls. Which shuls? Any shul have a Talmud Torah. Any shul... Did the Pharaoh of Israel have their own Talmud Torah? Yes, they had their own Talmud Torah.
And the Bittisachim had their own Talmud Torah? Yes, sure. And the Pharaoh of Israel had theirs too? Oh, they still have it now. Still have it. Well now they don't, they don't take as much Hebrew. Hebrew's just one part of the thing. Well, I just told you about it. Everything is going away, bit likewise. Disappears, you know. But the first time when they just come to the United States, they used to do that in our country, go to the dormitory, go to the shul, down and every day you know you know what feel later and everything till they got used to it and tired of it lots of don't care again did the people who came did they still the older generation the ones that came to the United States did they always like filling or did they go and did they go to show regularly or did they give up when they were here a longer time?
Oh, they, those people when they come here, they didn't give up so quick for their children when they grow up Then it everything disappeared But the older people they always take care of that jobbers which lift and all kind of things what they believe in Go to the shurich and kill the chicken or go to the kosher butcher shop buying meat But their children, they didn't care of it no more. Disappeared. Was there more than one kosher butcher here when you came? I have several of them. Used to be in McKean Avenue, North Dallas. There were several butcher shops there. I remember Shep's Bakery. When they just opened up the bakery shop, she was helping her husband, making all kind of cakes and bagels and all kind of stuff.
and she with this one, his name after this, he was helping her, knocking door to door, selling those, baking everything. That's Jewish chefs you're talking about? Yeah, chefs. The one we named is Osprey. So he used to go. And everything, you know how it is. Later he got rich, threw it away, and knocking the door no more. Was he a from boy when he was growing up? Huh? Was he a former mensch when he was growing up? Who? Sheps, Julius Sheps. He was talking and being from a kid. Well, did he go to Hebrew school? Well, they go, but when they go out of school, they don't care what's happening.
Was the family very from? His family? Yeah, his father and mother, she was... they was from, yeah. But you know what? All the children, when they grow up, they go in a different way. I think I've given you the best I can. Well, you've certainly done well, yeah. What you going to do with that? Oh, I'll have it for other people to listen to it and have some idea of what life was like. Listen, but I like you when you have time to come. I live here on this street not very far. across the street from there, the garden, such a beautiful point in the line, and that was my mother.
When she sent me a picture from England, was a pin, a little colored pin. And when I was wearing it, all my friends, the young girl, was making fun. They were all making jokes about it. They thought she was just as young looking like me. They thought she was my sweetheart. They were making all kinds of jokes. So I quit wearing it. Then when I remarried here lately, I took that pin and went to Singer Brothers and made a big picture like this, you know, hand paintings with a nice frame and everything. And that picture is a beautiful picture, and I'd like you to see that.
And then I got the picture, what I told you about this, some of, what I say, from the Khasad-e-Rod. It's three pictures, I'd like you to see it. Can you come see it? I would like to. How about telling me about the community when you came and what it was like? Well, what we like, they all come from the old country and what they do here, most of them, they they was peddling. Oh peddling with all kind of vegetables and all kind of merchandise you know to try and make a living. And their children what they have later they was going in different lines because they learned the language, they learned how to read and write.
They go on that line and they go on this whole line. So that was the old people left in their old life, and the young people, some of them got lawyers, some of them got doctors and all that, and so different lives. What about the Yiddish Art Theater? Well, the Yiddish Art Theater, they didn't have...you mean art theater? The Yiddish theater that they have here. They didn't have too much of that. They had a few of them. But we used to come to Dallas from the big cities, Jewish theater. Yeah? Oh, yeah. Used to come here every year And it was very nice to actors too Yeah Who sent the people down What troops How did you get them to come down there They go on a trip along the United States.
And they write to their organization. They want to come to send them a check. And they come here and they have trips, you know, stopping different spots. See? And they have a Yiddish theater at the Abbot of Abbot. Not long ago, it was very good. Yeah, yeah. What about the Yiddish theater here, though, that they had locally, that Mr. Tankus used to be... Well, he used to, he used to like to be an actor. He had a brother, a real brother actor. He likes to be like him, you know. He knows something about it. But he didn't have much change to prove his good years because it doesn't exist so much like it should be.
You know, like in a big city, they do that. When you came to the United States, when you came here, you said you lived in old North Dallas, like in McKinney and Cedar Springs area, North Akron. Where did you move from there when you lived here longer? From there I moved in South Dallas. You know where Goon Street? Then South Eckers Street goes in that line and then Cigar Street. That's where I bought a home, Cigar Street. I bought a home there and fixed it up nice and I have, we have a three bedrooms house so you always went part of it you see and used to have as a couple here I try you know but she don't want to come see me surely the first name is Shirley father she she married a boy which his father's It was a junk business.
And she was a kid just about two three years old Is that Oakland Oh yeah Oakland is her husband Yeah So when she was a child and they lived in my house on Cigar Street and her father was in such a person. He never paid attention to the child. He never said hello, he never kissed her goodbye, he never gave her a kiss when he came home from work, never bring her anything, just a selfish person. And I was just a betteress. When I came home, she was waiting for me for a block. And when she got close to me, she jumped all over me and grabbed me, kissed me, hugged me.
And she called me Ma Ma, because my wife used to call, here comes Ma Ma. And she told us my name, you see. She called Ma Ma Ma. And she was so happy then, after when she cried, then she was looking at my pockets. She always wanted something. I had a pocket for her. her. So she loved me. And her father, his name was Davis, told her his wife, you know, you don't tell your daughter who's her father. She don't know who's her father. She knows the difference. She says, well, why don't you do like Mr. Walkman do? You act like a stranger. How can she think you're a father?
You don't even kiss her never. You never bring her anything. You never say goodbye to her. Well, this, you call yourself a father? You're a stranger. So he got met and moved away. Take the whole family. And the time passed, you know, love time. So later, oh, seven years, his wife died. And he got sick and he was in gold makers. And I thought, I'm going to visit him. And I like to see those people when they get mad at me, you see. So I went there and I said, where is he? Come to him, knock on the door, he comes up. Oh my God!
I said, what's the matter? I would never believe you come to see me. I said, why? He said the way I have he says the way I treat you and you come to see me I says I sorry Mr Davis I not mad at you You was mad at me You moved out I didn move away I come to see you because you been an old friend of mine And I think that's nice to see you and find out how you feel and everything. And then he smoked cigars. I bring him three good cigars. He said, I will never believe you come to see me.
He says, I've got so many kinfolks and friends, nobody didn't come see me, nobody. You're the only one to come see me. And I says, I've got pleasure out of it. See, that's where you... And you know her? She was a little kind of ocean. Was she crazy about people? But how long did you, when did you move to Cigar Street from... I moved after the first war. After. And how long did you live, about how long did you live there? About ten years I lived there. From that Cigar Street I built a duplex, 12 South Dallas, and what street there? Driscoll? No, Wendelton. The Deftsco is one way and the next is that street there.
I live in Defton. Wendelton? Was that the street? Defton was going this way. This was going this way. Let me see what that street was there. I forgot. Anyway, I built a duplex there, a big duplex. Colonial? So I had in the corner of Colonia and I got there, that's what's up, getting older you forget the names. So I moved there, built that duplex and I was special. Think, well if I'm able to have it at home, I'm going to show you what I can do. And I built our place and I made some decorations there, some antics which I used to do in North Country.
And everybody come and look they said it seemed like it, you see. And I have a long time. Then my wife got sick over there and I bought a apartment housing in another street, South Bulwark, in Fort Teganyam. I bought a four apartment house. And I have three tenants and one we live. But she's got awful sick. When was that? That was, that was, I see, about 35 years ago. About 1935. A long time ago. 38. So I built that house and everybody in the house was nice tenants. So after she don't feel good, feel a waste of all the time, I moved from there to another the four apartment house which I bought.
And she lived there on South Boulevard, the 4th Avenue. They were, she moved here. She was often going to the hospital, coming back to the hospital. And the trouble was the sickness that she had. I had the best doctor there in Dallas, Dr. Thomason. I don't know if you remember him or not. He asks you, Doctor, I want it through. Tell me, what's wrong with my wife? Can she have a baby? No. I say, why? Because she has a, when she gets pregnant in the fourth or fifth month, she scares that. Every time. She can go on the higher. She never had a baby. And she could And on top of that she used to go to the doctor have my clinic and no time she was again going to have a baby And in a short time, she loses.
So she couldn't have a baby. And she knows I like children, very much. They're children like me. So, she has a, we have a discussion, I say, you know something, I think you're foolish with you. You have to have a baby, you own me. We could adopt that child. We could get a child adopted and be just as loved, just as good as you own. Why don't you do that? Now, she says, I'll tell you why. I know when you ever adopt that child I know the child will love you or wouldn't love me so much as love you and that will make me feel awful sick because she's nervous often, you know and then she tell a child something get mad, you know and the people will say, aha if it was her child, she wouldn't holler once she adopt a child, she don't care for it So that's why she don't want to adopt a child.
I said, I don't think so. So after that, later on, I was working for the Sherchett from, remember him? And his daughter live in Waco. She come for a Pesach visit. I was paper and painting there. And she had a little girl about four or five years old. And that child was, got a text to me just like that. And one day I told her, I told her, I joke. I say, Rosie, it was her name, Rosie, would you like to be my little girl? I just say that.