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I'm Susan Luterman. I'm a research volunteer for the Dallas Jewish Archives at the Community Center, and I am going to attempt to have a telephone conversation with Fred Time concerning AZA Chapter 715 from South Dallas. The date is April 19, 1987. I did that project for the archives. So what can you tell me about 715? I was telling Rose when I watched that, I felt like I never existed. Well, in all my research, I never came across anything on this number. Let me tell you something. We were the only AZA in Dallas. We were the only one in the 50s. Can you pinpoint a year?
In the 50s. Well, but when? The reason I ask is Monski was chartered in 51, Catherine was chartered in 52, and Brandeis in 55. Well, let's see. I'll have to go. Maybe I have a picture with a date on it. Uh-huh. But Monski and all of them were splinter groups that came after the Jews moved to North Dallas. Uh-huh. That's what I'm trying to determine, because I know about ACA 130. which was you know formed here in the in the in 29 and i knew that that stayed here probably until sometime either right before the war or right after the war and after that i you know everything the trail gets dim and there's nothing until 1949 with the establishment assessment i'm going to remember it because i represented dallas in the national convention in michigan uh-huh Uh-huh.
Uh, I, uh, we were the only ones that represented the Southwest here in everything there was. Okay. Can you do the chapter, have a name, or did it just go by the number? It's 715. 715 Can you recall other than Mitchell Rosansky and Peter Fonberg and you said Edwin Siegel who else Jerry Criss Uh Uh Alan Eberstein Uh I trying to think I think Norman Luterman was in it Okay well I can ask him Teddy Siegel Yeah Tommy Spiegel. Okay. Murray Oxman. Lane Kalman, Jerry Kalman. I think I had some pictures. We even had a band. That's what Rose was telling me, that you had a band and you went up to Michigan.
Yeah. And what I was trying to find out is, you know, like I said, I can give you the dates that these other chapters were chartered, but you're saying that they were splinter groups of this original chapter. See, what happened when the Jews moved to North Dallas, they formed their own chapters out there. Right. We still were there. Okay, and how long, I mean, when did you move from South Dallas? Well, the thing about it is, it's not when we moved because most of us stayed in South Dallas and the AJA was still there. What happened to the chapter, do you know? I don't know.
What happened to the number, do you know? I think what happened is, I'm just going to guess this, when everybody moved away from South Dallas finally, it just disbanded. Because what I can do, what I will do, is I can go to International, which is National. Right. and asked them to give me all the information they have on 7-15. I think Dr. J. Beck was in that. Uh-huh. Larry Klein, Ben Schnitzer. Uh-huh. Those are all doctors? Yeah, I know who you're talking about. Oh. Well, I'm sure National has it. Well, don't be too sure, because when I went to look for Kaplan, you know, over the years, the kids have lost their charters.
And I did all that research to put the charters up in the archives. And I went to Kaplan I went to International for a listing of charter members for Kaplan and he could not find it He could find no record of Kaplan even existing And that, you know, so that will tell you a little bit about National, but if he has anything on it, I mean, he'll be able to tell me. I get really what the important thing is, what you remember, because that's really where I'm going to pick up. You know, I'll tell you something. I saw something in your archives there with Brian Eberstein.
He went to another child. He was younger than we were. Right. Well, Alan was older. He was mine, yeah. Right. Alan Everstein was your age, and then Brian was, I think, a year younger than my Alan. Right. Alan Everstein, from what I remember, eventually did go to Kaplan, but Brian was in Kaplan with my Alan. Now, Mrs. Everstein is still alive? Yes. She'll remember that 715. Okay. I mean, when Rose told me this, I just practically fell off the chair because, like I said, in all my research, it had occurred to me that there might be something, but in all the digging I had done, nobody had ever said anything about it.
I remember this. I don't know if she told you. I was Bo of BBG representing. I was the Bo. Okay, but which one? Can you tell me that? Which BBG? Uh-huh. Which everyone Rita Goldberg was in. I don't know what one Rita was in. You know her? I walked for her, remember? Oh, that's right. Ask her. She'll tell you. She'll tell you all about 715. Okay. What about, well, there was a BBG 300 in 1949. Listen, I'll tell you something. I may even have a dance card. I'll have to look at it. Whatever you have, you know, I would love to see them. I mean, if you could loan them to us, let us duplicate them, picture anything.
Okay. Because, you know, this is very, it's important to our research. You know, I felt terrible. I'm going to let it ring. I felt terrible when she told me that I had never come across this. I never knew anything about this. She also has the name down here, Sip Sue Collinger. Yeah. She will remember that. What about Joy Burke? Or Jay Beck? Jay Beck. Okay. What about any other girls that would be in your age group that might have been in at that time I don know She not here Gladys Goldstein Okay Hannah. Hannah Lambert. Uh-huh. She would know. Okay. She would know. She would.
I think she would. Oh, by the way. Yeah. I think Lambert was in it, too. Okay. The reason I'm asking is, again, the only BBG chapter that I know of that was here in town. The first one was 1949, and none of these girls are on the charter list. So what you're saying is there was another BBG, or very possibly the forerunner of what is Zesmer now. Yeah, probably so. Because they did not have names right off the bat. But you see, there was no North Dallas then. No, I know. Well, Mom and Dad moved us in 1948. I think the last Jews that I'm aware of that came out of South Dallas were in 1955 or 1956.
Now, after that, I honestly don't know. And that was Rocky that came out, that moved north in 55 or 56. And honestly, if there was anybody else there after that, I don't know about it. I wonder if Ginger, I think Ginger knows about that, too. Well, you know, she's in charge of the archives. She knows about that BBG group. She's just a year or two older than I am, if that old. Okay, she was born in 30. Okay, she's three years older than I am. Okay. She would remember that group, though. Oh, I'm sure she would. I'm going to go down to another AGA member, Sol Drobny, a professor out in San Diego now.
Okay. Anything else that you can remember, you know, if you can call me, I'd appreciate it. Okay, just a minute. Let me get something down here. Okay. And I will call International and find out what I can from them. Okay, give me your phone number. It's 363-9011. Okay. Okay? Very good. Okay, Fred, thank you very, very much. I'll look it up. And just whatever you remember, please let me know because I want to get it out there before the display goes off. Okay, thanks. Thank you a lot. Bye.