Gail Bruker
Gail's family roots trace to Lithuania and Britain. Her maternal grandfather came from a Lithuanian city, escaped anti-Semitism through Germany, and traveled by boat to South Africa, later bringing his brother and father and opening a shop near the mines. Her father's mother arrived from London as a young woman with her sister. Gail grew up in a Jewish neighborhood in Johannesburg that she remembers as idyllic, with children riding bicycles and neighbors sharing open gates. She attended a Jewish day school throughout her education and recalls how easy it was to live a Jewish life there, surrounded by community, Shabbat preparations, and people walking to synagogue.
Troubled by the political situation and the injustices of apartheid, Gail and her fiance Neal came to the United States in December 1985, visiting cities where they knew someone, including New York, Orlando, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and Detroit. Dallas was their last stop. A meeting with Rabbi Feinstein at Solomon Schechter Academy changed their lives; recognizing the South African Jewish community, he offered to help sponsor them within minutes. They married and settled in Dallas. Gail found the city reminiscent of Johannesburg in some ways but had to learn a new culture, including different customs, foods, and idioms, from the outside in.
Trained as a teacher in Jewish education, Gail became deeply involved in Jewish educational and social life in Dallas. She and her family belonged to several synagogues over the years, moving toward the traditional and Modern Orthodox community that felt closest to their South African roots, encouraged in part by her daughters. She preserved South African Jewish traditions, especially foods like Lithuanian-style chopped herring, and cherished strong family ties. Over the years her parents, sisters, and their families moved to Dallas, allowing the family to gather every Friday night and celebrate holidays together. Gail maintained a strong allegiance to Israel and, though grateful and blessed by her life in America, still identified with her South African heritage. At the time of the interview she had recently married again and relocated to Boston.
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it's alright okay let's take out just state your name and the date my name is Gail broker as of two weeks ago I just got married I was Gail Thurston and today's date is the 12th of November 2013 very good can you tell us a little bit about how your family first got to South Africa if you know that the origins of that yes my grandfather became originally from Lithuania from a city called libo and in fact he wrote his memoirs very fascinating but it wasn't professionally done but you know just talking about his how he suffered anti-semitism and then he went over to Germany
and kind of almost escaped through the night and took a boat down to South Africa and as it was done in those days you know then he brought his his brother and his father and they opened up a shop on the on the mines in South Africa that was my mom's side of the family my dad's mom came from Britain from London and she came as a young girl I think 17 years old with her sister and so but I think the Lithuanian influence was very strong tell us a little bit about your life growing up in South Africa what was memorable to you what
was memorable was that it was probably like America was in the 1950s our whole neighborhood everybody had gates in and out of each other's homes it was very idyllic kids riding their bicycles and then in the streets I went to Jewish day school for all my schooling I lived in a very Jewish neighborhood and I guess the one thing that I felt was very different as compared to here is that basically it was very easy to be Jewish you just could sort of lifted your nose up in the air and you could just smell the Judaism it was very easy and when I came here
I felt the responsibility on my shoulders to to carry the tradition because it was very easy to do there everybody around me was Jewish supermarkets and Fridays all the you know ladies are running around giving colors and everything for Shabbat and on the young taébem everyone was walking to shore getting dressed and going to shore so it was in some ways very idyllic neighborhood city women Johannesburg okay I just want to be sure yes so then given all of that how and why did you actually make the decision to leave South Africa well the politics in South Africa were very disturbing to to us in
terms of the safety really for white people I knew that it was only a matter of time and mercy City that it would no longer be ruled by whites and I was very concerned about how their transition would take place it was a necessary transition that had to happen the oppression had lasted for so many years and the numbers the ratios at that time it was like 30 million blacks to 4 million watts the ratios were untenable and you know with all the the uprisings the sense of uprising the so-called terrorist a and C I knew it was going to be I felt like it
was going to be violent and bloody and that there would not be a future in South Africa so my fiancee at that time Neil her son he and I came on a visit to America and we literally went to every city where we had somebody to stay with where we knew somebody and and Dallas was actually our love stuff but we knew we were young we knew we didn't want to even put up a picture in a home in South Africa what was happening at that time would they called the brain drain or the the educated professionals and then the young folks were leaving because
the writing was on the wall that there was not a future for us then what was your family's reaction and who left also well when we went it was December of 1985 we told our family we've been dating for many years we told our family we're going on a trip to America we knew we were going to look for a place to stay but we knew it would have freaked them out because even though a lot of young people were moving it was stalled they didn't want us to leave they didn't want us to leave our home so after we we found the place we
were going to be we call them and we said we're getting married and we're leaving and they understood but they were very upset not upset with us upset before the fact that even though they knew we kind of had to leave that we were going to me do you think any of them were considering it as well everybody was considering it leaving a country leaving a good life and a settled life takes a lot and so the fact that we were we knew we were going to be starting out our life it was a good time in our lives to make the change everybody thought
about it it took some courage to pick yourself up and you couldn't take a lot with you there were all sorts of restrictions but we were gonna be a young married couple we didn't have anything anyway so so you said Dallas was one the last place you visited so how did you consider finally coming here and settling here oh through the places that we went in the United States New York and Orlando and LA in Philadelphia and Detroit we we kind of looked through my ex-husband's qualifications we needed to get sponsored by someone we needed somebody to sign papers that say they needed us and
would give us a work visa because otherwise we would have to come into this country illegally and when companies hear the word sponsored they thought it would cost them money in fact we've we footed the bill for all of it the lawyers and all the fees and everything but companies were skittish too to take us on and when we came here to Dallas we came to stay with Neal's cousins and they said to me why don't you because I hired her training as a teacher and Jewish education they said why don't you you try kale go to the the Jewish day school but we made
an appointment and we went to Solomon Schechter Academy and we asked to meet with the head of a school there it was rabbi Feinstein and within five minutes of meeting us he changed our life he said the school was founded in many ways by South Africans I know what kind of community you have there you are a young Jewish couple I will do anything I can I don't know what I have to do I'll sign everything I need to sign I don't even know if I can give you a job but I'll do what I can to to sign the papers you need so we
I mean he just transformed our life after we've been traveling all around in like 12 seconds he's really within five minutes of meeting us because he knew who the South African Jews were and he knew what kind of community he came from so it was like we weren't just anyone he had a context from where we came and I will forever be very grateful to remember ed Feinstein for for doing that for us okay in general to having come to Dallas and having seen other cities which if you can think back what were a couple of your first impressions of Dallas as a whole and
what were some of your adjustment situations and problems well initially I thought to myself it seems similar to Johannesburg in some respects there's like the north the south you know suburbia we like the fact that it wasn't a New York or in LA because we felt like you know in some research that figure was always at that time 20 years behind just in where it was as a society and advancement so we felt like it was a slower place to begin more conservative and then coming here it's hard to really quantify coming to a place where the culture is completely different everything was different the
taste of a chicken was different the the cultural mores that you guys just knew by living in the place by osmosis we had to learn from the outside in social interactions stuff that you learn maybe going through the college experience in the education experience yeah it was all completely different I would say that our culture was more British based and so while we had the same language to an extent I found myself often talking to people and then getting that telltale blank stare and I knew that I'd said something that was either a British idiom of a South African idiom or it was just simply
the wrong word to use in that setting so the language primarily was the same but the culture was vastly different what type of occupation did Neal was he looking for well he started off in the restaurant business and then he went into the sports collectibles and memorabilia business and then he went into the pharmaceutical business and he's been doing that for about the last 20 years did either of you attend any kind of school here I don't not as professionals but going back to take some classes or anything like that any type of college situation here in Dallas um not not formal college classes but
I've taken classes throughout the years and the community college and Neal's taken many management courses just to to up our skills I'm curious overall your talk you've talked about Dallas but specifically in the Jewish community how did you feel did you feel welcomed did you feel like there were other types of barriers or overall did you have a pretty good feeling about it all in the Jewish community yeah you know as I look back I'm at year 27 and a half and so it's hard to really think back 27 and a half years ago but especially since I've now I relocated two weeks ago to
Boston and my husband he just saw how in our time that we were courting here had embraced I was and entrenched in the Jewish community here and how supported so it was I was since I was in Jewish education I've been involved in just so many Jewish educational things Jewish social things my whole life has been part of this Jewish community here and I guess that's I feel very embraced by it did you try any of the synagogue's did you join any of those yes yes yes I started off you know we were longing for something similar to what we had in South Africa which
I would say was me sort of traditional Modern Orthodox so we started off with Orthodox rich or heavy Shalom and we felt that wasn't as inclusive as we would like we went to Sharon for a while because at that time sheriff and Solomon Schechter Academy were connected that was a natural connection and then for a long period of time we were at to ferret Israel which was closer to what we were used to being a traditional synagogue and there was very nice at the time I switched to sheriff for a while when rabbi Cohen left to fare in Israel and my daughter within the year
was coming up for a Mitzvah and I asked her where would you like to have your bat mitts because tafero didn't have a rabbi and I just needed to be settled and organized and she said she wanted to go to Sheraton so we were there for a couple of years and then for the last five or six years I've been a member of charade - fela and the very modern orthodox community and my daughter actually my older daughter was the one that sort of got us into that community she attended Yavin Academy and she would ask me mummy please can I spend Shabbat in the
Arab and please can you come with me - sure and so when your teenage daughter asks you to go to show you join that short immediately and this was it's a wonderful wonderful community what South African if any Jewish cultural traditions have you continued here have you maintained can you think of any examples I would definitely say the food first and foremost the lithuanian based chopped hearing and mock crayfish and trying to think kill my mom make skittle but it's not the kill then I sometimes have yeah it's very delicious killed to have with the chopped herring so we you know I for many many
years I couldn't use any American cookbooks because I just couldn't relate to them so we would just bring all our favorite cookery books from South Africa because that was the food that we knew so food would be a major piece I'm trying to think of other specifically South African customs it would probably be interesting to ask my children they say to me mum I wish I wish we wish we were born in South Africa because obviously we've bought we've brought all the best of the traditions that we that we do and they that and I think you know a cheap one of them is very
close family ties and I was fortunate over the years that a large number of my family members in community my parents and two sisters and their families were moved here and so you know that the care and the concern and the selflessness with regard to family that all of us have is something that that we do and of course I mean we see each other for sure every week on Friday nights and celebrate all the holidays together and how long have they been here family started coming about eight or nine years after my ex-husband and I we're here and so I not been here 27
years I think my parents came about fifteen or sixteen years ago so we've had you know seven years to to have them here my children to have their grandparents here and it's been such a blessing that's why it is so far away and you know we just wouldn't have had that the blessing of having my parents and you know the family so close we just wouldn't have had before they moved here how often did you get to see them in my early first years the fourth family was here I pretty much would go back every summer I was teaching at Solomon Schechter and I would
go back every summer for a month because I had all my system and this is a nephew my parents all of them were there once they started coming over the frequency dropped I still do have a sister and her children living there but they come here rather than us going there so yeah I haven't been for about 12 years I know most South Africans that I know are very very conscious of and follow everything going on in Israel they're very scientists how do you feel how important was Israel to you and your family growing up the Jewish community they was I guess what you would
call liberals Democrats we didn't although we did enjoy the fruits of apartheid we didn't agree with the oppression as whites we enjoyed the fruits of it but there are many South Jewish South Africans that were very active in the movement for for freedom for blacks in South Africa so I bring that up to say that we did not agree with the government and we did not regard I did not regard South Africa as my primary allegiance to South Africa was not primary allegiance to Israel was primary and I can remember in elementary school and I have a memory of this maybe it was about you
know what the fifth grade every Friday we would have assembly and it was a Jewish day school and so we had to sing de-stem which was the South African anthem and Hatikva so there were the two flags and I remember when it was time to sing destem which was symbolic it was in Afrikaans symbolic of the oppressive nationalists white government I wouldn't say and I would sing her tikva with all our heart and soul so we definitely were Jewish South Africans with a strong allegiance to Israel and and you know pocket because we couldn't love the governments that was ruling our country so we didn't
have that Allegiance I probably have more legions to South Africa once I lived it then when I was there along that line is there anything that you can think of that you still miss about your life in South Africa overall no I I lived as a newly married only two weeks after I was married and so I did not have an adult life there my whole adult life has been here so as much as someone longs for their childhood the carefree days of your childhood possibly but no I don't miss anything okay is there anyone still there besides your sister of course who is living
there is there anyone else that you can think of that you would like to help come here or talked into coming here and maybe perhaps you know persuade it's not an easy thing to change cultures change countries I would never persuade anyone because America is not a cakewalk it's hard it's hard to make a living life is hard I mean I've had a wonderful life but life in general wherever you are there's no paradise one makes sacrifices one way or the other and the sacrifices that one makes are very personal it's it depends what you want out of life and so I couldn't tell every
anyone you know what they should want out of life they would need to decide that for themselves because it's so specific to each person since you've been here so long first of all are you do you have your citizenship here yes okay so here's a tricky one do you consider yourself an American or not it is a tricky one I still probably say I'm South African because so many of my traditions and the way I raised my children you know if people say will be but I am American I'm American I'm Jewish American South Africa all of those things so bottom line Gayle are you
glad that you have come here yes yes I feel very blessed and very grateful whatever trials and tribulations as I've gone through the process of life as everybody does they've all served to bring me to the place where I am which i think is at least the beginnings of the best Gale that I could be because we're never done until we six feet under but the opportunities the growth expansion I don't know if I would have gotten that or done that in South Africa I don't know because I didn't live my adult or professional life there but this country does offer anything to anyone you
just need to season get up do it be self-motivated and so yes unequivocally unequivocally I remember actually in the early years when when we came it was hard meal and I were these two little kids I mean in our early 20s you know on our own in a new country and I remember you know during the hard times thinking two things thankfully after back home supported us during this supporters emotionally and you were doing the right thing and we felt unequivocally that we were doing the right thing for our future and that's what got us through the early tough years because when you know you're
doing the right thing you can enjoy anything it's when that's when you're well maybe it would be better there or maybe I should've gone to Australia or maybe I should've gone to Israel to London or but we felt at that time absolutely unequivocal in the fact that we were doing the right thing for our future and our children's future why thank you for this wonderful interview and best of luck in your next chapter thank you you