Gary Wolff
Gary Wolff describes himself as a melting pot who identifies most strongly as a German Jew, or yekke. His father's parents, Erna and Edmond, came from Germany, his grandfather from Nuremberg and his grandmother from a small, deeply observant community near the French border. Fleeing before and during the war, they lost their wealth and independently made their way to South Africa, where they met. His grandmother worked with the Red Cross to help people obtain papers to escape, and family members scattered across the globe, one even boarding the wrong boat and arriving in South Africa instead of the United States. His mother's family included a Lithuanian grandfather and a grandmother of Russian descent. Both his parents were born in Johannesburg, where Gary and his sister Jodi were also raised in a strict but loving home.
Gary was a shy child who found his footing on the sports field rather than in the classroom, and his mother worked tirelessly to support his learning, including speech and drama. He earned an undergraduate degree at the Aristotelian College of Marketing while working in fashion retail for Truworths, eventually being offered his own store. Growing up during the end of apartheid shaped him profoundly. He was in South Africa when Nelson Mandela was elected and in the United States when Barack Obama was elected. Formative moments, such as a housekeeper refusing to feed his black friend at the table, taught him to value humanity over external difference and to believe in leaving a better foundation for the future.
In 2004 Gary immigrated to the United States, following his sister to South Florida with two suitcases and six hundred dollars. A recruiter named Jordan and a mentor named Bradley drew him into professional Jewish life at Hillel, where he spent five years in Broward and Palm Beach before becoming executive director at the University of Connecticut. He later rejoined Bradley as chief of staff of the Federation, work that eventually brought him to Dallas. He met his wife Tess, born in Peru and raised in the United States, through a friend, and together they are raising two sons, Mateo and Nico. Gary hopes to pass on the values his parents instilled: that family is everything and that giving back to community is essential.
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you're ready good afternoon this is uh November the 19th 2015 we're at The JCC in Dallas and we're doing a roots to boots interview with Gary Wolf thank you Gary for being with us this afternoon and I appreciate you taking time to do this interview I'm going to start with asking you to tell us what you know about the immigration of your either your parents or your grandparents from what I would assume would be Europe or Lithuania or Russia or someplace other than South Africa into the South African uh community so I am uh second generation South African my parents being first my grandparents on
my dad's side were were both German uh what my grandfather was born uh well spend most of his time in nurenberg uh my grandmother was from selham which is near the French border and dur just during the war just before the war they independently went to South Africa and met there my mother's side my grandfather there was Lithuanian and my grandmother South African but from Russian descent so I'm a Melting Pot but really Define myself more as a yaka as a German what's spring that I do any anything else um my dad born in Johannesburg my mother born in Johannesburg uh myself the same and
you say you're on the one side they came from Germany was that right before the second world war um Second and a little bit during um my my grandmother was very good at working with the Red Cross to create um passports and paperwork to get people out um my grandfather's father was in daa when juw was still able to get out of daa we have some documentation on that um and slowly but the family moved he was one of four brothers one went to the United States he thought he was going to the United States got on the boat that said USA which is the
union of South Africa at the time got on the wrong boat um the other one went to South America the other one stayed in Germany and um so went the family so this is the first time that the South African wolves and the um American wolves are actually in the same country from the same okay and the lithuanians at uh what time period did they come not sure um my grandfather was very much um he defined himself as a South African so I I I don't have dates we don't know okay not so your parents were born in South Africa and you say that was
in both in in Johannesburg yes ma'am okay um and um tell me about the uh what you can about their life um how they grew up what kind of schooling they had what they have told you about their um their lifestyle during that period of time um my dad's parents and my mom's parents had very um different Lifestyles uh my grandmother who was on my dad's side erer who was born and grew up in Singham uh came from a very religious Jewish Family um small town one of the few communities that were there um so observant that they had their own slaughter house in the
back of the house where the MH used to come to make sure that the food was towards their freshness and level of kosher that they wanted um my grandfather um not as much he was in the textile industry um very much on on the clothing side so good that he'd be able to look at your clothe and tell you just the strands what was cotton what wasn't it was very much his area specialty um during the war lost all of their wealth um do whatever they could to get out and went from a comfortable lifestyle to not so much my dad grew up um in
a place called da Fantine where his parents an Africa public schooling you pay for um his parents put him through school um he has a a sister so my dad was himself his sister and his two parents family of four um my dad slept on a couch till he was 26 until he met my mother and when they got married Cody's first house my mother's side of the family my grandfather um so my dad's parents ER and Edmond um my mom's parents uh Daphne and Luther Luther was a barber um very artistic but he was a barber my grandmother Deany who I was very close
with um was very much on the business side Finance accounting um there was a area my parents both went to to public school public high schooling system um my dad grew up in DW te my mother grew up in Orange Grove so 15 20 minutes from each other my dad's sister um Susan set my my mother up with my dad my mom was my aunt's headdress her at one style my dad was traveling the world he came back had a welcoming home party introduced my mother to my father the rest is history um my mom graduated wly girls high school went into the cosmetology business
and was cut here for many years until my sister was born and then she got involved in the insurance industry uh my parents lived in Johannesburg until 2009 and November 2008 2009 they moved to South Florida my sister um same schooling as I had she went to Primary School publicly she went to high school publicly um she got a degree in Communications um and Industrial psychology um and and psychology and then we have family that lived in Florida she came for a for a family wedding and never left the country and I followed my sister so uh so tell me about tell me about your
child then um family of four mother Sandy father Harry my sister jod myself uh very very close family um I would say that as strict and from both of my parents um my mother pushed me in school I was not an academic at all um give me a a sporting infrastructure a sports field I was very very happy um I was very very shy until I was close to 10 years old 11 years old so I couldn't ask for help in class my mother found every way possible to have me not only tested to see how she could be supportive and help me grow but
found a way for me to get involved as the school recommended in speech and drama um my parents made a lot of sacrifices for my sister and myself and they never questioned it um it was very much about how we as a family I'm going to say together and they've instilled that across and I I want to believe that who I am today both professionally um as a father and personally in how look at all my relationships very much stem from the relationships my parents have had together but what they've instilled in us so um if anything it it was positive and I hope that
I can leave a little bit of a legacy as my parents have left sounds fantastic so after um after high school did you go on for your upper education in in South Africa or did you do that here in the state I did in South Africa my my mother really pushed me to do so I was really not interested in tertiary education my mom made me go and get my undergraduate degree um where did you go I went to a school called the Aristotelian College of marketing it's Affiliated to The Institute of marketing management which is networked internationally through the American Marketing Association um and
the asian-pacific marketing um I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life today I'm 35 years old I have an idea what I want to do with my life but there's still so much more that I can continue to dream um I think I I learned two things in school your ability to sit and listen to the people around you could teach you more than any lecture and the second is if you don't practice what's been given to you you don't have the ability to implement it and school was not easy for me so to sit down and study was not my U
my primary use of my time so much so that my parents found every opportunity to figure out how to get me to study um South African Community I lived at home until I moved to the United States which was June 22nd 2004 it's when I landed actually June 23rd 2004 I started working here was in the ironically enough in Fashion retail uh and clothing stores so it seems that I got a little bit of the of the family lineage and blood when it came down to clothing um who did you work for I work for company called Tru wordss International Limited I started off when
I was 18 as a tool operator and I slowly but surely moved um to supervising casual stuff and by the time I was 20 20 21 years old the company offered me my own store I was studying at the time and my parents said go and do it but you have to finish um but if you're going to work you're going to help pay for the rest of your schooling to make sure that you finish it um I was there until uh until I was given an opportunity to come and work for Hill the foundation for Jewish campus life which I knew nothing about at
the time I was driving home from uh school one from work one Friday night on my way to sh and my phone rang and it said I know one on it and I got excited I thought it was my sister and it was a man by the name of Jordan tanbo who today is the chief development officer of the Holocaust museum in Washington DC he was working for H the foundation for campus life and he called to ask me questions about how the Jewish Community secures itself and what Jewish engagement looks like at a younger population um and he called me every single week for
6 months came December I met I came to visit my sister and Jordan met me for breakfast where I met a man by the name of Bradley lay who ended up being my first uh my first employeer in the country so July 1st 2004 I went to go work for hilal of broud and Palm Beach where I spent 5 years of my life engaging students um programming getting very involved I then became an assistant director in an acting director and in 2009 after Tessa myself got married we uh we moved to Connecticut so I could be the executive director of the hillol of the University
of Connecticut where we were for six years uh both of our beautiful boys Mato and nio were born in the same Hospital St Francis which is in hardford Connecticut and 6 months into Nico's life Bradley tried really hard and he decided to bring back a relationship that we work together for a long time so it's nice that my friend and professional Mentor became my employer again and I joined him as the chief of staff of the Federation so someone who was actively involved voluntarily jewishly who never thought would work in a Jewish Community or Jewish profession he seems to be working very much involved in
that IDE of strengthening a strong and vibrant Jewish Community which is something which I hold personally very very dear tell me about your wife tell you met her in Florida tell me about your wife so I met my wife Tess through a friend of mine named Joel U Joel and I work together at Hill Englishman in a South Africa you put them together and then you've got Sports which lay down the foundation um Joel was dating a girl by the name of Alyssa um Joel and I would spend seven days a week week and then he met a list and he disappeared for a for
a few days at a time I wanted to know where my friend was going and he was special enough to to take so much of his time um Joel set up a blind date over breakfast where Tess wanted to meet Joel and I wanted to meet Alysa long story short Tess and I met I asked her for her number she's going to dispute this conversation but I asked her for a number she said no I asked her I think gave her my number at the end because I told her she couldn't have tooo many friends in the world um I went back to South Africa
to see my parents for three and a half weeks we stayed in touch we started dating jel and Alyssa broke up uh Tess and I got married um I could not be happier I fortunate enough to have not only a a woman who's as beauti beautiful inside as she is outside but she's by far the better two-thirds of my relationship she's smart driven ambitious um both professionally and personally I've never met somebody who's as brilliant on a sports field as she is as a mother bringing up two kids I'm not the easiest personality in the world and she not only balances me but helps me
understand the world and ways I don't necessarily see it very fortunate to have her did she grow up in Florida uh Tessa was born in Liber Peru one of the few Jewish perian that was there she moved to um the United States with her parents when she was one years old old and spent the first nine years of her life between Los Angeles and Maryland her dad my father in- La Ronnie is a gastroenterologist they moved for um for his residencies and at nine when she was 9 years old they settled in South Florida so Tess lived there and didn't really see cold until she
met me she got married and the rest is history but yeah it's just great we have two beautiful boys uh today potato's three 3 and a half it'll be four in March um great great kid is my Doppel G gam as a young kid and smart intelligent driven um proud We have Nico the same um you have two darkhead people who have very blue-eyed blond haired kids um I was blonde until I was 20 and then went very dark so if anyone know where that's from that's why um but I I canot be more blessed I have a a job that makes me think and
challenges me daily I have kids that I look so forward to going home to every single day who I love with every essence of my body and a a wife who balances the world and gives me the ability to see ways that I couldn't cannot complain about that you mentioned Sports were you actively involved in sports as a child very much so and still very much into sports when I was 6 years old I very mat 6 years old I acquired the love of a soccer team called Liverpool Football Club um I've been following it still to this day so M ni hopefully one day
will continue to love the passion and drive I played soccer I swam I played squash I played tennis I played field hockey played rugby for a very little bit of time um being active still today is very important to me was very important to test we we're an active family um but yeah we we if you're in the house either the TV's on sport or it's on the news or maybe one of there's the ability to to disagree and I'm not one that walks away from Challenge and I'm not one that walks away from confrontation or disagreement I believe that if I differ from your
opinion then I have the ability to learn um I may not agree with you but I can learn your your point and maybe shift my mind a little differently um a Bas is is split Tess as friends that you grew up with um or into school with University Florida that I live here in Dallas I have a friend of mine that I grew up with I hadn't seen hadn't seen in 20 years um Jackie Dorfman Felder who lives half a mile from us so who we diverse as a little bit of a taste and feeling of home within the Jewish Community especially the South African
Community but we're also an American American family um Mato and Niko our first generation um we we laugh we call them a little africanamerican Hispanics did I speak Spanish T speaks to them Spanish every day um it's important I think when you understand where you come from and who you are uh it will help solidify who you want to be and it's up to you to continue what that Legacy looks like so for me I look at you know DNE and Luther and amond and nna and I look at my parents and I look at the values that was instilled in them I look at
not only their personal sacrifices that they had to make to move to South Africa but what it took to bring up a family and I don't think it was easy you know I my parents grew up during the heart of apte schools were integ graded when I was 12 years old um so it was very different I was in South Africa when Nelson Mandela was elected president and was in the United States when Barack Obama was elected president so I have I can say it was in both countries when when history was made but you take that base of Challenge and proud of your culture
and and your background but not necessarily proud of your history and know that you have the ability and if not obligation to leave a better infrastructure and Foundation moving forward you were in the public schools in South Africa yes so when when hael primary actually okay so when the schools were integrated um what if any impact did that have on you personally I didn't know any different you know I my parents were were very welcoming as most of the African homes doesn't matter your social economical background there's normally somebody that works in the house twice a week three times a week 5 days a week
Liv or not um I was young I was seven8 years old when Mandela was released from prison I remember vividly sitting on the floor of my parents friend's house watching the the news feed of him of him being released and the comments that were coming out of some of the families that were around the floor and my father expressing how negativity and the way moving forward um so to me you know integration was less about race it wasn't you know it was I went to school one day and I went to school the next day and we had black people in our class and we
went and we played sport we during break we normally kicked around a soccer ball or we played cricket and the white Community played here and the black community played separate until somebody came and took the soccer ball away from us and it became a physical fight it was the first time that I got into real trouble in school for for being in an altercation and I got home and my parents were disappointed in the fact that I was involved in an altercation and it wasn't because because I was white and he was black it was because this kid took away the soccer ball and didn't
want to play and punched me so I punched him back it was for us it wasn't about about race it didn't affect we I didn't even think about it um until I brought a friend home for lunch and Lizzy who was my who was our Ma at the time refused to feed him at the table and she knew as she as I always to bring a friend home that if I'm bringing a friend tomorrow please ensure that we have lunch at the table and colani came to sit at the table and Lizzie wouldn't feed him she said it's not your place to be at the
table and it was the first time I really had to think about it I was like he's my friend why don't you and I was actually embarrassed that my friend was treated differently at the table um we were in a very politically active family you know I know that the Jewish Community even though it wasn't very well Des spoken was very much against aparte right um but we weren't an African National Congress family or you know against you know activism we were against theart as a movement knowing what our family had taken care of in Germany and Europe we didn't want the same um so
how how did you handle it when your um um housekeeper wouldn't feed your your black friend we spoke about it she told me that that you know she if she wasn't know for a long time that white people and black people didn't e at the same table wasn't okay my argument was but my mother said it's fine so it's fine so did she finally feed him she dided good she she fed him it was it was an interesting conversation and we learned from it but I'm a jur South African who English is my home language I'm learning Africans in school and maybe a little bit
of zulu by the time I'm in high school um you know 1994 I'm 14 years old um English and Africans are no longer the only two official languages in the country so you have to pick an African language at that time in order to learn at the same time all right and Lizzie spoke Zulu so I grew up learning the Zulu culture a little bit of the Zulu culture but Kanani wasn't Zulu he was suu there multiple dialects and differences so it was the first time that I had the ability to learn that how we operated as a white Community culturally wasn't necessarily accepted in
the black community we sitting here having a conversation and we look at each other eye to eye but if you were an older black person and I'm in South Africa I can't look at you eye to eye it's disrespect I have to look down I told to who to the to the black it's disrespectful to you as the black person I have I have to look down only if I'm older than you or your age an age issue it's it's a respect issue uhhuh um as a as a white male we didn't hold hands as we walk down the street to each other you know
you high five each other you give home but as a black friend of mine my age you hold your hands together and when you walk down as a sign of solidarity down the street it's just culturally there was a very big difference um there was a lot to learn and I think having the the privilege of of growing up in that change helped me understand that being a humanitarian and believing in humanity is very important and that it doesn't matter your external but it very much matters about what you can do to make this place a better place place and your internal intellect is what
we should talk about and this that will be our Common Ground agree to disagree or educate but you don't judge a book by its C sounds like you had a very privileged experience having gone through that I mean a lot of people left because they didn't want to experience that they fled beforehand they didn't want to be any part of it but having it sounds to me like going through that was really a privileged educational experience for you very very much so look I'm I'm very fortunate I have aunt and uncle in in South Florida that no in Carin that really went out of their
way to get my sister jod and myself into this country um you know I arrived here two suitcases a backpack $600 um my sister had an apartment we made a deal we'll go 5050 down the line I had seven weeks to figure out how to make my money L my aunt and uncle you know gave me my bed and they you know gave me my mattress and my bed and and figured it out and I was able to take the drive and the passion and grow so yes I I was very privileged if I think about what the experience was in order to learn and
I think maybe some of it was Financial we weren't a very wealthy family um my dad worked really hard my mom worked really hard to have what we had we didn't not have what we needed we we were very comfortable but wer you know we weren a family that could pick up and relocate to another country and and not change our lifestyle and my parents you know in in their 60s sold up everything won the Green Card Lottery and moved to the United States moved to South Florida 6 months before I got married um they still live there I don't think this is the lifestyle
that they had figured out that they would have which was know in Johannesburg live together you stay as a community you born in Johannesburg you marri Johannesburg you die in Johannesburg you 20 minutes from your family it's very much a Family Circle and I live in Dallas and my sister lives in South Florida you know my parents live near my sister my my kids through FaceTime and you know four times a year visits whether we going to Florida or they come in here have a relationship with my parents which I think my parents would prefer being around here and being part of their life cuz
that's who we are family is everything so you still have relatives living in South Africa my mom's brother Kenny his wife Joanne their three kids um Carrie Tracy Craig yes my dad's sister Susan um her kids Mark and Michelle have you taken your family to South Africa to what not yet it's a part of it is financial um and in distance but when my kids are older and they can appreciate it we will take it they how about to Pro uh we've been to Pro a few times we're actually taking Mato and Nico for the first time on Thanksgiving um we'll go for a few
days Tessa's grandfather and and grandmother are still alive um I think it's very important for our kids to meet and know a little bit of their lineage so will go to them I think my last question to you um in terms of what Legacy you'd like to leave for your children um what's the most important thing you'd like to say to them for them to remember in terms of um what you think is important in life and what you'd like to pass on to them I think family is everything the relationship and the ability to communicate Comm unicate and be together is the most important
thing you can take because blood is thicker than water in other words from Mato and nio if they don't have each other they don't have anything because Tess and myself aren't going to be here forever you can make money and when and if you do doesn't matter how much you have give it back to your community be philanthropic volunteering both time and and money and any way that you can cuz what you put into your community is what you're going to get out of your community what you put into your family is what you're going to get out of your family don't settle for second
best just don't settle status quo is not okay we come from a a family and a foundation that loves each other we agree to disagree with each other but more importantly we will stay together and we will stick together and we will push any way that we can but the impact that we make today lays down the roots for the future so this is roots to boots I think it's very fitting it's at what point does your root get uplifted in order to move or as I like to see it what additional root are we laying in order to ensure that our tree just gets
stronger so don't get it done thank you so much Gary it's been a real privilege interviewing today you today and getting to know you appreciate your time thanks for the questions and the opportunity and I appreciate what you do thank you very much thank you