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Jerry 1935 Haverhill Massachusetts let's go back right around the end of the depression right what do you remember when you're just a little girl well we lived in a two family house we were upstairs and my grandparents were downstairs your grandparents on which side my mother's okay parents and it's interesting I mean my father was from Philadelphia and he was a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania and his father was a doctor and he was part of the German Jewish migration you know who thought they were pretty special and my mother's parents were from Russia we don't even know we think exactly where a lot
and we don't know exactly and they met but what was so wonderful that my grandparents the immigrants my mother went to camp summer camp she went to Ohio State and somehow we're not exactly anyway she met my father I think when she was in college somehow and and they moved to Philadelphia but when the Depression hit and my father lost his job in the bank then they moved back to haverhill where the immigrant had a really good business so that's how we ended up in haverhill how did your grandparents on either side ever tell you their story of coming over to this country counting set
up not really now your dad went to work for his dead or your mom's dead my mom said okay what business was that it was the leather business haverhill at one time had a hundred shoe factories it was an industrial revolution town but eventually because trying to get cheap labor the factories move up to Maine they move down south and then you know why where they move after that overseas where did you go to grammar school I went to crawl Street grammar school where I the only Jewish child but it didn't seem to make a difference where was high school high school is haverhill high
school where I was oddly Jewish child in the group that was the group now when you were a small child World War two broke out how did that affect your family well my mother who was always very resource a little I think knitting shop when war broke out my grandfather rush down and said Ruth you have to close up your shop because if you are if you are married and he only have your only sort and your husband is a certain age and your only source of income is his income then he won't be drafted but if I mean shouldn't have been making much in
this little mini shop but if you have a little business than your he would be drafted so she closed the knitting shop and the other way it affected me I had three uncles and they all were in the Air Force and none of the one overseas I don't know exactly what they did but I remember having this terrible dream and the youngest one was still living at home though he was graduated from college and working you know where he was on a ship and he was this very vividly the ship was torpedoed so the war was there and but it you know I was seven
years old or eight years old they mentioned your mom went to college what college did she go to she went to Ohio State because she had met she had gone to camp Somerset which was a pretty well-known Jewish camp and met the boys from Kennebec and anyway she went to Ohio State High School life what was that like for you it was good for me because I've always had the ability to be friends with whoever I want to do so it was fine it was the era where the Jews wanted to date the non-jews and the non-jews wanted to date the Jews and the parents
weren't liking that very much so you were rebels were saying Oh sorta but I didn't go out on dates per se after going out with one boy one popular boy who wasn't Jewish and he didn't even take me for a coke we just he just took me to neck so I figured yeah who needs that so so I went with a group I enjoyed high school and I made very good grades now after high school did she want to college or was it the earth okay where'd you go to school well I had applied to Wellesley Connecticut College for Women it was the era of
the woman's college goucher college because my mother at prep school had met a girl from Baltimore and somehow got into all of them except Wellesley which was the top women's college because the top girl in our class got to women's college and haverhill being an hour from Boston we didn't think that they were going to take another girl from so my mother when she had been a prep school had known somebody from Baltimore and we went down to see goucher and we liked her right away and I went there yeah what was college life like college was terrific well in those days they put which
was really smart a girl from a small town in the north with a girl from a small town in the south so surely my roommate who I had a little trouble adjusting and shirley was very everything was wonderful everything was great yes but anyway we became extremely good friends lived together after college her boyfriend but who became her husband brought my husband up to meet me so but she she wanted to compete good grades now when you say brought your husband you like what do you mean oh well I we were living in New York and you could tell find a job for seventy five
dollars a week which didn't pay for a lot but took care of your you know it wasn't expensive and she was dating somebody Bob and who was in the shoe business and Charlie was the shoe buyer for Levine's department stores and he brought him up to me and I was it love it for a site and we started dating and I was 21 or 22 and he was 39 which is a little bit of an age difference and we went to see my parents and Charlie was derivative and we went to see his parents and then he got cold feet I'm so much older she's
going to move to Dallas what if she doesn't like it and he had had a failed first marriage and Charlie was from Dallas well he was from Texas originally was from San Antonio yeah and so on he went to see is and he was now diddling so I when he went to see his mother and who was sick at the time she died of cancer the next year and she said to him I knew you were dumb but I didn't know you were stupid so he called me up and asked me to marry him they got married well and then I moved to Dallas yeah
but you moved to Dallas and what was that like for you you know telling everybody in New York goodbye and coming to dallas terrific because Charlie work for Levine's department stores which was Bill and Morris Levine bila venes daughter was rose marienberg I don't know whether you heard of her or whatever she was just terrific she was the Chi take a person that her kids went to Greenhill so she was president of the Green Hill Association she belonged to temples of she became president temple emanuel and that family they were crazy about you they just pick me up and it was really easy and then
what did you guys get into we had a family I belong to a council of jewish women no just the usual maybe we had play groups which are coarser for the mothers not the children right now but Charlie went off and started his own business eventually he did okay and what was it well because Levine's had been bought by coit and quite went bankrupt so Charlie was a forward-thinking person quite went bankrupt like on a friday and Levine's oh and footaction opened its first store in wichita falls on a saturday the next day his idea was remember he's competing against the Foot Locker was to
go into small towns that had malls he Wichita Falls opened up them all and he was one of the first tenants he went into temple he went into it became a large company eventually I was just something that you guys were planning all along or was this something no this was something that that he knew quite was going to go bankrupt than he needed to do something and we a little bit concerned about that Thomas I can't explain it i think when you're young and no i I just thought that it would be okay tell me about your involvement with the Jewish community I wasn't
that involved really until toe and then when my children were little I just needed something interesting to do so I went back to SMU and got a master's in history so real wolfram who knows everything new that I had done that and and quote rabbi Klein I asked my favorite president Henry jacobus for money for an archives and so Rhea knew that I got a master's in history so they asked me to be the archive archives chairman can I thought oh this is so interesting I think I'd like to be the archivist so I became sick of us that's how I became the archivist what
are some of the most interesting stories you can tell us well I got to know people that I would not normally know we had a very prestigious archives committee and Hortense Sachs was fabulous she was married to morton's Sanger part of the Sanger family and she was fun she was smart and she became a best friend so and then I met Adlene Harrison who was best friends with Hortense and then Edna Flaxman became my archives chairman who was fabulous and wonderful that Susie agreements mother and it was just interesting and gave me something to do when I'm still doing it which is really wonderful right
is there some storyline that you have you know in your work and research and everything that you went while this is really unique to Dallas well I wrote a book a light in the Prairie tell me about it I just decided lo and behold that I wanted to write the story and so I did it took me a couple of years and I'd never written a book before and at the same time that I was archivist a temple i became involved with the Dallas historical society and then I became president of the Dallas historical society and I still see friends from from there Dallas is
really a terrific place to live i think because I guess because I was really lucky and I met really people that I liked and then you can become involved if you want to well lots of people do a council Jewish women or democratic party I'm involved in that your lifetime there's been so many momentous occasions on the national scene Mike you lived through World War two President Kennedy assassination something good the moon landing the first time in 69 of course the tragedy of 9-11 was there something that really affected you that you know exactly where you were when at Kennedy I have a Kennedy exhibit
at temple now and they archives that really really effectively where were we at the time i was on the street watching them come back okay I saw him there actually is a National Geographic programmer they interview people on this friendly with people who are interested in history so the people at the sixth floor knew I was on the street and that's how I got into you by National Geographic now what did you see I saw the Kennedys did you see the actual assassination no I was on turtle creek in lemon so I wasn't even downtown and then when you found out about it you just
couldn't believe it and you came home and watch television yeah now where were your children born here you're in dallas hmm i have interesting children I have my sister I call it the philosopher because she says they do what they do my younger daughter has a horse ranch and cedar hill and that's what she does my younger daughter her husband decided they have a restaurant and bandera and so she's moving to mandir we have the two children six grandchildren what advice does grandma want to leave to the next generation number one would be marry the right person how you do that I don't know but
I did and then find something you like to do yeah that's great advice thanks for doing this study you're welcome