Ginger Jacobs
Ginger was born in Dallas in 1930, the daughter of Russian Jewish immigrant parents who were first cousins. The family name, anglicized upon arrival, came from a village in the region her family described as their home. Her father and his younger brother came to the United States around 1914, warned by relatives that war was coming and that they needed to leave Russia. They arrived through the port of Galveston, where they had cousins in the older Jewish community of Houston. Her father later brought over her mother, who first traveled to Cuba; because immigration laws prevented her direct entry, the couple married in Havana before she could join him in the United States as the wife of an American citizen.
Ginger's father built a modest one-man business dealing in bags, including burlap and cotton bags, working long hours and taking streetcars since he never learned to drive because of his poor eyesight. Deeply learned in Hebrew and Yiddish, he prized education and books, and considered his greatest success feeding his family and never standing in a bread line during the Depression. He put his children through college without scholarships as a matter of pride. When Ginger was twelve, the family finally bought a home on Park Row, which he paid off within six months. Ginger and her sister grew up in the largely Jewish neighborhood of South Dallas, walking to school and playing softball and tennis in the streets.
Ginger began Hebrew school at age five under a principal she admired, and later earned a master's degree in sociology, focusing her thesis on the development of Hebrew study in Dallas, which she turned into a book. She met her husband Mike, a recent immigrant and Holocaust survivor from Poland, at the Jewish Community Center, where she worked. Mike, the only survivor of his immediate family, became a leading voice urging Dallas survivors to speak out and to build a memorial and learning center. In the fall of 1970, Ginger founded an archive to preserve the history of Dallas Jews, which grew into the Dallas Jewish Historical Society. She and Mike raised four children and had grandchildren, with a great-grandchild on the way at the time of the interview.
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ginger 1930 Dallas let's go back what do you remember when you were little girl in the city it was a lot smaller obviously right and we didn't have a car my daddy LOL on the bus of memory did not drive and my mother lashawn did not drive listen he's a short stocky guy and they were happy to be cousins they were Josh necks and family historically had actually been landowners and Russia and then the Czar said you couldn't own land anymore there was a little village named traffic and said the name it actually was Josh sick and when the angle sighs that way came to
the United States of 1914 and at chessex eh ESN IC K and the mother my grandmother blessed memory was known to be a very I wants a handsome woman very stately and this your momma's momma your dad's back my dad's mother but my mother and dad were cousins they were first cousins so the family name was Josh Nick right and it been angle sized to chesaning so 80s and I ck and my daddy well shall live a blessed memory and he and his younger brother came to the United States of 1914 because some others said there's going to be a war and you need to
get out of Russia did they ever tell you how that trip was like obviously is on a ship right and it seems to me they were like like in they were passengers they were not you know first class passengers you know and they came to Galveston and go to New York I came in together we're cousins are they a cousins who had settled in Houston which is an older Jewish community and so they came to the port of Galveston and his younger brother Michael ed blush LOL a blessed memory wound up in Victoria Texas he had gone to work for another custom who was dealing
in first week actually they were both apparently in scrap and J&I rags and what have you it peppers right then they developed the peddlers and stuff and then somebody asked my daddy loves to loom you know if you ride bags we could sell those bags and you be able to make a living and he thought that was a pretty good idea it really studied but he wasn't really skilled as far as being a trades person right right he was well versed in Hebrew and Yiddish obviously in a Russian obviously a little both of them were well educated choose we're in I people of the book
we kind of really Ted to that and came from both intellectual families right right and both parents had finished almost schools which is really unusual and Europe for Jewish kids in those days right I had accepted Jewish Eugene education he had a private tutor didn't speak it wasn't particularly verbal generally wasn't a conversationalist and I'm one of those more social loop Danny would but very learning literally not know that your parents come over together no dad can 19 fortune just before the First World War and mom came in linking 25 okay okay now he brought her over he brought her over and he couldn't get
her into the United States so she came to Cuba and they were married in Havana Wow is the immigration laws and so then he was able to bring her in as a wife of an American citizen because he had already attained citizenship by that time yeah now that you're dead have to serve in World War one no he was nearsighted to begin with so that he was sure you study was like 52 he was they say anything about what it was like saying a bite of the family they knew they would never see again the mother was a very strong personality and she realized things
were not going to be good for choosing Russia and so let you know and notice after Anita who always you know that he always talked about she began a doctor which is highly unusual especially for a Jewish woman in Russia in those days very intellectual you know so of course learning was prized in both families right right they both had good education they were well educated now you were born right around the depression depression mm-hmm how did that affect your family do you know well dad was really not a businessman in terms of thinking in terms of growth and whatever he was more into books
and just earning a living he felt that he would be a success his measure success was fitting his family especially during the Depression because so many people were in bread lines it was claim to fame was they never stood in a bread line yeah yeah he was a one-man operation he never grew you know there were some businesses and in the bag business you produce came in burlap bags at that time our peanut bags they use cotton bags there are various types of bags primarily burlap and then also cotton at the cotton bags they could sell for dish towels so there was a greater profit
Mariana market yeah but he was always a month one-man show he was not into hiring other people he I don't know whether it was a matter of ethic or he just wasn't the type of person to envision right had that vision as far as growth was concerned he felt that his measure of success was to feed his family put his thread through kids through college and that's what he did yeah yeah and we wouldn't had his attitude was I can afford to send you to school why should you take away the opportunity of somebody else having me already gone to university if I could afford
to do that so he never made a lot of money never you know as far as wealth was concerning they were accumulated wealth he bought his property which it is now what we call it still Mexico which is pretty close to the downtown area yeah area where healthy you put a 10-car guided to warehouse it was a one-man show yeah yeah but neither things the way he wanted to do them and that was why it was so you had a sister what did you guys do for fun when you were little I'm sister Sarah light sounds very bright down very pretty very bright forefront neighborhoods
were different in those days we live in an apartment house we did not own homeland I was growing up well when we were 12 they was finally able he felt he had enough to buy a home because he did not want to think in terms of buying a home he didn't feel he could afford either one an old bunny didn't want a bo-beat God he weathered the depression like I said you felt this big measure of success was being his family and so he didn't want to be in a situation where he had take it you know it had taken a long terminal life so
he waited till early enough so that he was able to pay our home off within six months hmm so we finally bought a home on Park Row yeah yeah and it was I saw this three bedroom you know yeah yeah and you ever get in trouble really your federal is all well i mean you know i guess i got my sheriff spankings you know it stayed out later than you should ever supposed to be home before dark or six o'clock or whatever you know what did you get your first car oh I was already in graduate school it was that the family car was that
your car Mike and I were probably engaged it was a 52 dodge 51 52 times it was a coupe yeah daddy never of the car in the right I've never drove never drove he was nearsighted yeah begin was he never got glasses but he always had carried a he was the literary in Hebrew and Yiddish Hebrew his conversational skills weren't great but his writing skills roar and he had before handwriting and it felt all along he's a world periodical it was initially published and odessa i believe and then moved to israel obviously with the statute of the state of this room he pull this up
and say magazine and fold it up and put it and Spock got hit he would read this I was big oh he was very conservative as far as monetary was concerned but he had all of those periodic was bound they're like 25 switch felda son Mark mammoths Wow and basically it's his Jeep signs or did she go to high school first in South Dallas South Dallas was predominantly as far as we were concerned a Jewish neighborhood and we of course the loose as you walk to school yeah about 66 fake blocks what was high school life like for you it was a fun experience I
got a tennis racket mmm there's one of these kids have always played outside anyone around but you know my sister listen there was this two biggest one and I was more interested in just outside right when I'm playing and what have you play softball is they should get you take a stone or whatever you could play in the streets and make your bases are you taking a few a lot hey you ever make your baseball the diamond and go from there you know and if you had a volleyball that man that would our tennis that that was a real luxury yeah you know we hit
roller skate that was a lecturer World War two did that affect your family at all in that I remember my dad who he went to bed sunset and woke up at sunrise so speedy worked long hours they took streetcars he didn't drive and said he was recruiting stuff but he was worried about his family surviving in Europe they were from Latvia and wafi of course had been acquired by Russia he was so there's little village basically cook leche and I grew up here in Russian spoken on the home it was really interesting because daddy's is because good well his dialect was different mothers so let's
show on blessed memory and so they spoke Russian so I grew up here in Russian huh and we start Hebrew school I was five years old because that was just part of your basic education right right and in those days when Avery school is because like I said for Hydra pinellas there were Hebrew letters of the Hebrew bus and our principal jacob levine also on the blessed memory was criticized severely for having Hebrew letters on Hebrew bus and he said it's a Hebrew school I shouldn't we have Hebrew letters on the EBUS course but you had an element analysis that were really concerned about Jewish
identity in those days yeah yeah now after high school did you want to college or to go to work no I with this in you that's Amelia okay and now I did these that was his scope they wanted to be able to have provide be able to provide and for an education for his kids without having tech scholarship it was a sense of pride event they had with himself now was it at SMU that you met your future husband no actually i'm at futurism at the center jewish community center okay so after you graduated from college then as you go to work I um yeah
I worked at the juice caboose oh okay okay we're at the community center and that's where you met Mike tell me about that gate was a recent arrival then speak much English very little English and of course i had more Hebrew training that and he in yiddish because my parents spoke different dialects so they spoke Russian which I also didn't speak Russian does the smoke English does so it was like a mixed bag in there and Mike didn't speak much English and but we worked in the same field he was a had gun back to a seminar was good athlete to begin with I'm having
survived the war he was able to go to a sports seminar he wound up in mitten vault which was a resort town in Bavaria and so we started dating and America yeah well now Mike had a tough time in World War two can you tell us a little bit about his story actually has been published the he's sharp very perceptive he had to be to survive to begin with he was always ahead of everybody and he would kind of just somewhere along the line he was able to kind of blend in with whatever happened to be and utilized whatever was available to him right right
now he was in the concentration camps he's already from my house in 1945 may the fifth ok and he speaks about his experience as if it published right right he speaks his face well a few actually he was the one who said to the rest of the survivors in Dallas you have to speak up and he was the one who said we have to have a memorial but not only a symbolic memorial we have to have a learning center or a learning facility and little by little he was able to get enough support within the community the version first survivors didn't want to deal with
this past it was very painful to them really said you have to be able to deal with the past because the world has to know what happened now where was he living when the war started he was important he's in Poland he's from a small town called coinin which we have since been back to right and the community there was i want to say over a thousand years old I've been Jews in Poland well you choose had been in polis free her years you know yeah yeah now what what happened to his family you know when doing their living in Poland can you kind of
tell us about what happened well first they were put into a ghetto and then they were gassed he lost everybody he lost everybody oh yeah he's the only survivor were his immediate family and one of his childhood friends also survived you got anything overlook these things lytic Brzezinski is now me since passed away or so what's the memory but they were the only two of their contemporaries that I could think of offhand that survived and we used to see him so when he was liberated at that time that he know his family was gone or he didn't know yet I don't think he knew what
was it like for him to acclimate back to better life really somewhere along the line he must have had a tremendously secure childhood he was the youngest of six kids and he's the cause of a scrub it was the one that was scraped out a lot mr. a very six years childhood in bed very strongest and within himself he's a very strong person to begin with the driving force he was the one who said to the Restless survivors we have to have an institution here in Dallas so people know what happened to us do you think that that's helped him the fact that he speaks about it helps get through it still to this day oh I think so yeah I think so yeah he's going to be 90 at the end of the year and he still he'll go people we have kids coming to the house periodically doing research papers on Holocaust
and when have you and over the years of course they've come and he's always been very open about his experience was there anything in the camps that he talks about often a particular incident or way they were treated or something p much he's always upbeat he has really talk about the horrors they did indeed well talk about some of the things that he's talk now seen what have you experienced but he's always been very positive in his approach and you know he tells the kids hate do you tape what's the happiest time in your life I kind of think God every day just being I'm
the oldest I'm the only survivor of my immediate family and I had an older sister Alicia Lowe blessed memory and she developed a brain tumor was gone before she was 35 oh there was another child goloso and she was like eight months old and suddenly she there must have been a crib death or something and I think my parents never got over that tragedy mmm is a tragedy yeah now you started the Jewish Historical Society yeah we started as an archive because I wanted to preserve the history of Jews in Dallas I felt that was very important because we've survived as a group I mean
obviously we survived for thousands of years history is very important we try to learn from history i'm not sure we have over the years and we were still going to war unfortunately conflict in the world so some things people really don't some people don't learn for some whatever reason and I guess is they're always be conflict because you're always going to have differences and but that's part of life and just take one day at a time do the best you can I thought you can do but I felt that it was important that we have an understanding of the community here in Dallas and how
it developed mm-hmm and is it then what you've envisioned pretty much yeah and when was this when you started it it was probably in the fall of nineteen seventy I was in graduate school I was fortunate in that when I was five years old we had a Hebrew school and our principal of our Hebrew school of us a better well Shalom was a excellent educator he was about 50 years I have his time and we had Hebrew school letters even that is our Hugh school bus and those days you had a lot of anti-semitism and juice people were very you know Jewish people that were
here in Dallas were worried you always had this division if you will right as far as identity was concerned or crystal or farm were more concerned about assimilating into mainstream you as far as the divisions of you know Judaism in itself and Hebrew school every favorite he studied Hebrew in the language and the context and so when you moved to every school you started learning me off bed in those days was all with babies because as well hadn't been established at that point in time so it was the gnosh callosity was a the dialect was different european is supposed to inspire they which is Spanish
yeah there's a slight difference in appreciation the dialect have you seen the Jewish community grow in Dallas it's more diverse on one hand and yet it's more unified on the other hand you don't have this tremendous separation between the Orthodox reform and of course that's Israel is attached to the state makes a difference it's made a tremendous difference and as far as attitudes are concerned tell me about the book you wrote I felt it was important to have a document about the development of the study of Hebrew in Dallas so I decided that I had to do something about it and so I started my
god this a new because I think my parents were rather surprised I even made it through school but I did then I went on to graduate school but as far as my thesis I'd today my Master's was in the history develop that the Jewish could be via the house and you said sociology so out of that a domestic yeah you know collection of pictures and records and what have you and so I was able to have a book fun invention came along in your lifetime that would have came out you went wow how did we ever get along without that I enjoy television but I
remember listening to programs you know on the radio we got a radio that was a big thing we'd have regular kid he got a radio until I was I was probably 12 years old by the time we had it ready well right around that time I guess was when Pearl Harbor was attacked for your mind do you remember listening to Roosevelt talk about it oh yeah yeah he's huddled around the radio mm-hmm everybody got it around you kick cross street January we actually had a radio it was a floor model first radio we got was a floor model right yeah and that was a big
thing in those days now in your lifetime you've seen so many momentous occasions lived through World War two of course President Kennedy assassination Israel becoming Israel the moon landing for the first time in 69 tragedy of 9-11 was there something that really stood out that you knew exactly where you were the day it happened I want to say Pearl Harbor yeah big time in our history now you and Mike have four kids three boys and a girl and you have four grandkids and you're about to become a great grandma for the first time what advice does great grandma to be have for the next generation
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