Harry Weisbrod
Harry Weisbrod was born on March 6, 1920, on the Lower East Side of New York, living in a four-story tenement on Pitt Street until he was ten. His parents were Orthodox Jewish peddlers who sold secondhand housewares and placed great importance on charity, once turning to a relative for help bringing family members out of Germany after Hitler came to power. He attended the Rabbi Jacob Joseph Yeshiva and later Talmudical Academy, the high school of Yeshiva University, riding the subway across the city and reading newspapers along the way. After moving to Brooklyn at age ten, he went on to City College, studying accounting and business at a time when Jews faced discrimination in many professions.
During World War II, Weisbrod volunteered for the Army in 1942 despite poor eyesight. He served in an anti-aircraft unit, trained soldiers on searchlight equipment, was chosen for the Army Specialized Training Program to study French at Amherst College, and was later sent toward the infantry and the Battle of the Bulge, passing through Camp Maxey in Paris, Texas, his first time in the state. He was discharged in December 1944. Afterward he worked as a traveling auditor for a motion picture company, and while in San Francisco he met the Dallas-born woman he would marry on February 15, 1948.
The couple settled in Dallas in 1948, where Weisbrod at first struggled to find work before joining the IRS and later the Department of Labor, where he spent seventeen and a half years before becoming an independent labor arbitrator and wage-and-hour consultant in 1968. A committed political activist, he helped organize education-reform efforts and was outspoken against segregation. He and his family attended synagogue, kept the holidays, and held Seders, and he belonged to many Jewish organizations, serving as president of the ZOA. His sons became active leaders in Jewish and civic life, and he took pride in his five grandchildren.
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I do that when I arbitrate. Yeah. Well, so say your name. I'm Harry Weisbrot. I was born March 6, 1920. Anyway, his voice carries wonderfully, and I seem to have inherited it, which is very good at the teaching. Is it Prager? Prager. They've got the old man there. There's a Prager who is very prominent. He's a prominent, he's a one of these refugees in the 80s. Nope, nope. That would be in between my dad and his dad. You might know my uncle, though, Jerry Prager. He's been a lawyer here for a long time. I don't know the lawyer. Yeah, that's right. We just hang out with the person.
Well, why don't you say again, since we didn't get it on tape, just what your consulting business is all about. Do you want me to start from the beginning when I was born? Well, yeah. I thought we'd just do that as kind of an identifying thing, and then we'll go back to... Then I have some questions, and I'll go back and ask you about that. Right now, I do wage and hour and equal employment and self-reporting work for the employer. I'm one of the recognized wage and hour experts in the United States because I started working for the Department of Labor July 1, 1950, when the minimum wage became 75 cents an hour, and was with them 17 and a half years.
And January 1, 1968, I went on my own as a consultant. So I had 50 years' experience, with them or against them. Yes. Now, are you a mediator officially? I am officially a labor arbitrator. Okay. Not a mediator. I see. No, that's different. You're right. It's different. An arbitrator makes a decision. It's final. Can that be overturned unless I tell them to do a patently illegal act or something? It completely violates the agreement, or they can prove that they're the bride. And a mediator obviously doesn't make a final decision. A mediator makes no decision. That's right. He just is a facilitate. Exactly. Okay. All right.
Well, why don't I ask some of these questions, and we don't have to stick with this. We can go wherever we want. But tell me first how your family got to Dallas. And maybe if you the first one tell me that and if it was parents or I thought you wanted to tell me about my older background the Lower East Side Oh yeah So you were born in New York Let me start that Okay, start where you... I was born March 6, 1920, in the Lower East Side of New York, in a tenement house, where there were four stories. We lived in a second story.
There were four apartments and one toilet. and my mother would carry up the ice and the cold and sometimes she'd put in the fire escape and get a ticket. When she was spicy, she'd go to the judge and say, you put me in jail, judge, and you take care of my three kids. So he didn't do that. But I lived in that neighborhood until I was 10 years old. That neighborhood had gangsters and whatnot. My second cousin was Bugsy Siegel. The gangster. The gangster. The most infamous person in our family. His younger brother, who I knew better, became a famous doctor. Oh, good. You knew the list was your brother.
And the story is that Ben, as they call him, told his brother, Mama wants a doctor in the family, and you better become one or I'll kill you. Right. But in any event, I lived there until I was 10 years old. I went to Yeshiva there, Rabbi Jacob Joseph. What street did you live on? I lived on Pitt Street, which is between Rivington and the Lansing. I know where the Lansing is. Right a half a block away from the Williamsburg Bridge. And I lived there until I was 10 years old, then I moved to Easter York, Brownsville. where Merck Incorporated was strong. So, my parents were peddlers, and they sold second or third housewomen.
They were very orthodox and very charitable. My father, in the early 30s, Hitler came to power, and apparently he had a second or third cousin or something in Germany. and he decided he wanted to bring him over. Well, he had no money. He tried to collect all these peddlers, but not nearly enough, and he would agonize every night. And he says I going to go see Benny It a trade for money but to save a life I got to do it So he went Went for the gangster hangout where he knew He says, what do you want to see? He says, Muddle. That's what they call him.
And Bugsy called him and said, what do you need? He called him and gave it. He brought the family up. I remember that family. The younger daughter didn't like America very much. she's disappointed nobody made a big deal out of her she thought she was an awkward singer so but that's a way that's a way we were brought up with charity being such an important part of our lives and I'm glad to say my sons have heard of that but I used to ride the subway all the way to when I moved to Brooklyn back to the east side 10 years ago I was riding the subway and then when I graduated from high school I went to some other high school Yeshiva about a block away on the east side then quit after that and went to Tom Whitaker Academy which is the high school part of Yeshiva University and I'd take me one hour and ten minutes by subway every day to go there and I'd read newspapers people get off the pod square, they'd get away the newspapers, I'd read them they had nine newspapers in New York City I probably read five or six.
They had these questions, 64,000 questions, and I knew them all. You read everything. Yeah. So, uh... Now, you said you left the Lower East Side when you were 10. Did you move somewhere else? Moved to Brooklyn. Okay. Moved to Brooklyn. Which was just as bad a neighborhood. Oh, it was. But we... But they... These had a private van and one van, and we had hot water, stuff like that. Yeah, steamy. But we moved there, then we moved back to New York for a while because of the Depression, then we moved back to New York. And I lived there when I went to City College, which was on 23rd Street and Lexington Avenue.
It's a business administration. In those days, I mean, it's now called Baruch College. Ah, you see Baruch College. Which is still part of City. It's part of the big system. Yeah. It's an independent entity. Okay New York has changed quite a bit And when I went to City College I say 95 of the kids were Jewish And when I went there the city was considered the poor man Harvard University And it was all Jewish, except uptown, the engineering department, because Jews couldn't get a job as engineers in the United States. graduate and had to go to South America, so I had a job. And by the way, I took accounting, and in those days, the big firms would not hire a Jew.
They didn't do things like that. Things have changed quite a bit. Yes, a little better in that way. Oh, yes. So, while I was at City College, I belonged to the American Student Unit, which which I thought was a communist friend. And I was very interested in politics. And everybody's interest in politics was either a communist or a socialist. Or a Trotsky, I think, except me. And you weren't. No, I wasn't. You were a business major? No, well, I'm talking about the business. Oh, and the business. And they would argue with me and try to convince me. I'd tell them any time I could go to the streets of Moscow and say bad things about Moscow, about Stalin, I'm not getting arrested.
You can convince me of that, I'll join your party. They never could convince me of trying. So, I was the opposition guy. And I recall that when Russian invaded Fintan back in 1938, 1939, the communist newspapers used to come out twice a day those days. I had an evening edition, a morning edition. The evening edition had Finland invades Russia. Even the comrades couldn't take that, so the morning edition had a change. Red Army hurls back, finish invasion, crosses border. Well, when ASU looked for Russia, I said, you've proven to have that threat. I was there in 39 when the war broke out. Germany invaded Poland and the war broke out.
And then all of a sudden you have Stalin to make a pact. Conrad didn't know what to do, but they supported it, and they didn't want war or anything like that. And in 41, Germany invaded Russia. And I recall, I was on a frip waiting for the daily worker to come out. We didn't want a conrad standing around. We were just waiting to see what the line is. The line was open on the second front right away. Changed. Yeah, I was through all that. We saw all these conrad's in the streets. I know they're part of mine, so I have a lot of fun with them.
Any arguments I learn when they argue with these guys. Just like an Orthodox Jew, an Orthodox Muslim, they have certain beliefs. No matter how ridiculous they are in some respects, they can't go away from that. That's a lie. That's their bottom line. And basically, you look at it from a historical perspective, the Communist Party, those that joined it, were like a cult you have here. And they could think of themselves under certain things. So, that's the way I grew up. My parents, when I went to college, would give me a quarter allowance every day. cost me a dime car van. And fifteen cents, you could buy two hot dogs and a drink.
So, my sister, my older sister, who died in a little con just... So you have, how many brothers and sisters? My older sister died when she was fifty-fifty-two. And her daughter and her husband died before My husband died before that, and I put her daughter through law school, and she died a couple weeks ago, and went from the warrior service. The daughter died? I'm bringing the lady, and I bought another one this week on Sunday, Saturday, Sunday, in New York. My other sister, my youngest sister, never married. She went to Israel, and lived in Israel for 45 years or so. And she is a radical on the opposite side.
She's one of the women in green who's always demonstrating, you see. And when Rabin was in power they have these meetings and she show them pictures She a judge and she grab them He guilty of treason Somebody who assassinated I said don be the irresponsible of creating that comic line We never said he should be killed. But she demonstrates her love. So she's a right man. She's a right man. Is she like who? Or is she right of like who? Like what? Right of like who? Or like who? Oh, probably right of that. Yeah. I mean, if you know anything, the women in green seem every much right.
Mm-hmm. And demonstrating the role of the place. Wow. You've got a very political family. I'm not. Politically astute family. Well. Whether you agree with them or not. Well, that's right. Mm-hmm. And so then I went to the Army. This was after City College? After City College. I was waiting. I got out of 41. I got a job temporarily with a New York State and a plump insurance waiting for the Army to take me. In those days I had very big classes. I had cataracts and they'd like me on that for a record. Then the Army said make an experiment for limited service personnel. So I was a first volunteer.
My records don't show me a volunteer, but I am. Was this during the war still? It was the Second World War. Yeah, that's what I mean. When did you graduate? I graduated in 1941. The war started December 5, 1941. I was in the Army in June 1942, volunteered in the service. And they had me in the anti-aircraft division. Of course, the Army's not very efficient. They had me search that unit. I could hardly reach it. They had bad eyes. I could hardly see. Good thing nobody came to that. That's what I was in. But then, and I'm very mechanic with this inquire. I know I've learned how to take a pot of gun out of me.
So this is brand new, you know what I mean? They were just beginning to mobilize. So this unit I was in with was going to split and have a new unit. So the captain there, I don't know if he's the lieutenant there, he's going to be in charge of a new one. And the colonel told him to pick a candidate who would be corporals and sergeants and they draft the rest of them Well, this guy decided to take his worst soldiers and make them officers, because he thought he'd say the other one would get rid of them. I was one of them. So I got promoted.
I got promoted and I was in charge of teaching these people about this power battery power machine that does a searchlight and does a searchlight hell I didn't know anything about this but it's just like I heard them just like an automobile I get these recruits from the farm I say how many of you know how to drive a car everyone knows how many of you hell they have machinery and whatnot So he just operates just like an engine of a car. And they all start taking part in it. And then they have these observers seeing how we train them. And I got awarded him as the best trainer.
So maybe you're underrating yourself a little bit. It's a joke. So I got promoted to sergeant. And I couldn't get along with one lieutenant. He was from Mississippi. I get a ton of old things. So I told him, the trouble with you is you think, sir, you think, you think that you're in Mississippi treating all these colored people that way. Hope you will. That's what they call them that way. But I don't think he meant anything. And these guys are free white people when they're going. We're just not getting along, but it's easy for me to have equipment on the side. They busted me and they'll request.
They're private. I tell everyone I was in support, I guess in some ways. Then I got picked for the Army Specialized Training Program to study French and be a CIA agent or whatever. I think what they wanted to do was keep these universities alive. I went to Amherst College, high-class school at different city colleges. And this is for Army training? Well, I was in the Army. They took me out of the Army, promoted me to PFC for private. and you had four dollar raise from 50 to 54 dollars. I got in just when they raised the wages from 21 to 29 to 50, you see.
I got it just in time. So I was in the Army Specialized Training Program studying French And I was terrible with the French at the City College but that what they picked me So, French language was a great experience. We were there about eight months, and then they abolished the program and sent us back to various places. and I ended up all over Massachusetts in the Army House, who knows why, having different jobs. But I went to go overseas. I went to go overseas in an office job or something. So periodically they examined your eyes and in those days I had a pretty good memory.
So I memorized the charges. I read too many damn lines. Next thing I know, I'm in the infantry replacement going for the Battle of the Bulge. They sent me to Maxey. That's the first time I was in Texas. Paris, Texas. Yeah, one of you in Texas. Oh, yeah. Well, when I get out, I hitchhike. One way I go to Paris, the other way I go to Utah, Oklahoma. But I must have been there when they... I must have been there also when the Normandy invasion came because I recall the headlines in both newspapers. Texan crosses channel. I mean, Eisenhower is born here. Lived here about two weeks in Denison and moved to Kansas.
But that was a headline. Well, we had a bunch of very hardened soldiers here. Now, you were training for infantry there, am I correct? Allegedly. And we had some very hardened soldiers who had been in North Africa, been in some some of the toughest battles. They were wounded. They were promised they would not go back. And all of a sudden, they'd be trained to go back. They were very bitter. When they saw those headlines, oh, were they furious? Yeah. Texans. Right. Okay. Well, I decided if it's used that for me, I had trouble getting that gun apart. Yeah, they're too heavy for me. Wait, I just went to 25 grand.
So, I told them I can't see too good. and you don't like to shoot your own guy. Well, they made it hard for you. They made you do all kinds of, pack everything away as though you'd be, just to make sure you don't go on sickly if you shouldn't. Doctor said, I, the guy examined my eyes, just, how the hell did you get there? I said, one of your colleagues put me there. So, they took me out, and just at that time, they had a new policy, which said that they had too many people on there, limited service and waxing, can't do any work, they can cut So they sent me to Fort Dix and discharged me on December 23rd.
It's like two and a half years. So everybody says I planned it. I planned it. The reason why I didn't have it was I planned all this in advance. And I felt real bad about it. So you really didn't want to be discharged at that point? No. I wanted to go overseas. I wanted to go overseas as a... Just to do something that you could do. Yeah. Then I applied for a job with UNRWA to go overseas. Now, what's UNRWA? It was United Nations Relief. Well, it was some organization serving the army. It was during the war. But then they said my eyes weren't good enough.
I mean, that was ridiculous, but because it was a civilian job. So, eventually, I got a job as a traveling auditor for the motion picture company. I traveled all over the country, including San Francisco. San Francisco, I went to the Jewish community center and met a woman there. And I got interested in her. I was there about six or eight weeks, and I went to New York, decided to marry her. And my story is that I met her in San Francisco. I'm from New York. I decided to pick a place halfway in pain, which was Dallas. down by sheer coincidence. That was her hometown. And we have compromised that way ever since.
So she had parents here? Yeah, she's born here. Her grandfather moved to Shofa Peshera in Israel. Oh, wow. You may know some of her family, Stanley Kaufman, Kaufman family, were cousins and all that. But in any event, she was there visiting her brother, who was living there, and decided to live there for a couple of months. That's my mother. But she's from Dallas, and she went to SMU. Amazing. So that her So we went back after we married we went to New York found a decent place to live so we ended up in Dallas In Dallas I became the pariah because And when was it?
1948. 1948. Married February 15, 1948. And like I tell everybody, much of my wife's chagrin, she went, that the worst mistake I made was not waiting too loose for February 29. But you could have a leap year wedding. Then I introduced my 38-year-old son on my 10th anniversary. Right, right. She did it like that. Right. But so we came to Dallas and I had a hard time getting a job. They told me, I remember going to the insurance company, they said you have no Texas experience. I'd say, does that mean I know how to add and read and correct? Stuff like that. The day after the Truman election in 1948, I got a job with the IRS.
So I worked for them about a year and a half. And then I went to the department later. But I was politically active all the day. When you got to Dallas? The whole time, after you got out of the army? I was always active. And the only time I ever missed a book was in 1948 when I came to Texas and they had the poll tax. You had to buy that poll tax in January. Can't vote in July. Oh, I think you were going to go through that one. So where did y'all live when you first got here? We lived in a brand new duplex group they had by Bob O'Lix.
Bob O'Lix is not there anymore. Sonja Drive, it's off Adams, south of my bird lane over at Easton Adams. We lived there for about three years. Were there any other Jews in that neighborhood at that time? I suspect there were. Yeah. Then they, we moved to Casa de U. They had these GI homes. Two bedrooms were about under 9,000. Three bedrooms were under 10,000. I got the three bedroom time. Mm-hmm. G-I-F-H-A-L-E-N. Oh, yes. Those two. Four percent. Yes. Showed that a year later moved to 4031 Park Lane this is is Western Midway Three bedroom one bathhouse cost Then I bought a lot for $4,000, about a quarter of an acre, right up Boca Raton and the toll road.
The railroad there would be the south, east corner. We built the house. Total cost was less than $20,000. And when was that? So when did you? Never been in 1955, I suspect. So you were moving quite a bit in those years, every two years? Yeah, but then I stayed in Bucklewiton for, and in between I lived in an apartment after I saw a part late until I built the other house. I lived in Bucklewiton about seventeen and a half, eighteen years. Then I moved to Healthsome Way, which is a... It's right off Hillcrest. It's Hillcrest Village, they call it. It's a 100-home townhouse community. It's really cool.
We lived there for 24 years. So we moved to this new addition here. Hillcrest and Forest. Forest and Lakes. Lake Forest. It's just east of Hillcrest, right? Yeah. That's a nice area. Yeah, it's a closed community. But in any event, when I got here, I didn't like the politics here at all. You know, you'd go on a bus, And I'd be sitting, and the whites would sit in the front, blacks would sit in the back. And I'd get on the bus, all the seats up front would take it, so I sat in the back. My driver stops and says, oh, you know, that's for niggers.
I said, do you discriminate against whites or no seats up front? He just drove on. My neighbor shut me. He says, you, my wife, you're going to drive us out of this town. Well, I, then I attended all the precinct meetings. I was very active in the days when we had the big fights between the so-called conservative and regular Democrats. Were you around those days Ah yes Oh God yes What years are you thinking of Well I thinking about all the years before let see how three ran in 19 Oh, yeah, 68, right? 68, that so happened. Until about 72, when 76, when he left the party.
Mm-hmm. When the government was running, I organized the infamous Legutton-Wallace Coalition, the 8th, I was in charge of that. And we got the two of us together. We'd be concerned, which was a crazy call. Yeah. But I attended every precinct convention after that. After 72? After 68. Oh, after 68. And I never was elected to a delegation. That's a mentality. But I had a little pioneer effort in that. I negotiated that. Yeah. Well, when you were raising your family, were you, how religiously observant were you? I know you grew up in an Orthodox family. Did you continue to keep kosher? No, no, I didn't keep kosher.
But we'd go to synagogue and members and all that stuff. You went on the Holy Days. Oh, yeah. You had a Seder. Oh, yeah, always a Seder. All the holidays we'd do. And I'd like to cook day and night for that. And I was a member of all the organizations. I can't think of it, I was a member of the... I was president of the ZOA. Oh, you were. I didn't do anything. They drafted me. I was a member of the ZOA ever. And the American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress. I think I've been Jewish on the education committee before. I haven't been for a long time.
I didn't like the way that my Sheriff of Israel, I didn't like the rabbi they all say. I guess I should have put that in tape. But right now, I think Sheriff of Israel is great. They're good at passing jobs. The kids, the mitzvah is way better than it ever was. I believe that the devil is as good as what Israel was 20-30 years ago. But I always go to the York side and all that stuff. And the last few years I go fairly regularly to the synagogue. Shabbat services? Saturday, Friday. Did y'all do any kind of Sabbath ceremony at home when your kids were growing up?
My kids were growing up. We did that. We did that. We had like Sabbath candles and all that. And I wish we did it, but she had a white coat. You did, she. Camp Hawkeye and she did not. No, no. Yeah. Well, let's see if there's any other questions on here. We didn't come. I think we're getting pretty close. I'm an American Jewishist. I'm a member of the Dallas Jewishist. You make the name and I'm a member. Uh-huh. Okay. So, you have grandkids? I have five grandkids. Yes. And they're all here? You just have a few sons? Yes. My girlfriend's from that one. They're all here.
One of them is eight. Eight, a boy and two girls. One of them is 11, the other one is 12. He'd be my mistress. And then a kid 14 who's now with JCC traveling on a bus trip for two weeks. And the other one, Eric, my oldest one, who went to that trip to Israel last year. Oh yeah, I love it. And he's a big shot in the youth organization, they do something called BBYO. Yeah. And Les was a big shot in BBYO, since he's grown up. So he was like a president of a chapter? Oh yeah, a regional director, a regional office owner. And he also, when he grew up, when he was a lawyer, he did volunteers as one of these, what do you call them, advisors.
Yeah, for BBJ or BBWO? BBWO and he was president of the Jewish Family Service for one year until he got divorced. So your kids would stay involved and active? Oh, and a major contributor. Yeah. But he was on the committee, and Mary Zell was co-chairman of this drive. That's right. He gave a million bucks for the name of the Jewish Family Service. But Les is the one of them Yeah Well good for them Good for them I mean that they done so well with it Yeah and Carl he was active in the youth group and the Federation something they call me so have it in New Dimensions or whatever Oh, uh-huh.
That's right. That's right. Jamie. The English group. Jamie Pinky, who owned Bootham, her family owned Bootham. How old are your kids now? I'm trying to figure out who they are. What is 50, what is 46? Oh, what am I? What am I doing? Where did they go to high school? Hillcrest. Hillcrest? Where did you go? Wine. Went to WT Wine. When it first opened. Oh, yeah. Yeah, WT Wine. I remember we, uh, they served at WT Wine. Okay. Well, we had that. I was a coach in those days to get ahead in the Dallas school system to become a coach. And then she became a superintendent.
The court ordered desegregation for ground versus for education. So Dallas somehow managed to get a few segregation, one year at a time, starting to be the first rate in the same grade. Do you remember that? No, I don't. Okay. Well, Carl is in the debating team. He was not much debated. He was at least debated. But he was not debating teams. Sandy Press, much more. Oh, he did. And their partners were Jesuits. They were very brethren of Jesuits. The debating team had a couple of blacks. Well, they used to have debates at Sunset High School in Oak Cliff, which was white man. I think it was a white neighbor.
I see. And they invited Hillcrest. And they invited judgment. And W.T. White heard about it. He took away the invitation to find judgment And here what his explanation was We have many fine Negro children in our school including our high school Yet, they cannot take part of this. And they will be manifesting under there to these fine young people, not to allow them, but to allow blacks to vote to death. Why couldn't they take off? They were just going to... I've done it. They're logic. Oh. I've done it. They're logic. Oh, that got me so good. That's awesome. I gave everyone a hell. And I remember talking to Sandy Cressor's father about it.
He didn't want to do anything about it. I called all these people. Even if Dallas won and Lou said everyone can buy. And it's good. And this was after he said her attention? Yeah. They do it one grade at a time. Yeah. Imagine that logic. Well, I remember I was like, I think I was in the seventh grade before, maybe even older, maybe like the ninth grade, before we ever had a black child. So that was already, you know, the most exciting. Yeah, right now, completely segregated, especially more than Pershing, which is just, which is, like, the sales that live there and the people who don't pay insurance.
Their kids went to that school, Carl, for instance, went with a carpenter girl, and they had a ranch, which is now Las Colinas. They'd invite them to go there. Wow. You know, but these are the people that went to the pub. Right. Right. I know. I mean, in my day, everybody went. There were a few people at Hockaday and Fakim. That's right. But most of them didn't. Yeah, well, my lessons kids go to Hockaday and St. Mark. Mm-hmm. My old kids went to Publix and Wool. Yeah. His daughter just got admitted to Hockaday. She doesn't want to go, but he already paid money with him, so you couldn't go try it out.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So, changed the evidence thing, that busing thing. Mm-hmm. Yeah, my mother has experienced that more than I did. I was already graduated from the University of America. And apparently there was a lot of racial tension. Is that what you referring to Yeah well people are having to At first what they wanted to do was buy some kids bus the kids from our neighborhood out to the Projects Hour on West Island It would kill these kids I mean these kids would be in mortal danger really So, they didn't do that. Well, I think we've covered a lot. I think we've covered most of what the parents would have come on.
I appreciate you coming and talking. Well, and I really... I don't know what kind of hysterical stuff you said. No, you had all kinds of good stuff. And in some ways, I think what the group wants is just like what this day-to-day life's like. And, you know, as much of that, it doesn't have to be a big event or anything. You know, any particularly Jewish stories of day-to-day life? Oh, one more thing. We really organized the League of Education, that's written in Dallas. The League of Education? That's written in Dallas. Uh-huh. They were the ones that fought for the school board and finally elected some of the people and broke it.
They went out of business some years ago. Mm-hmm. And Toby Ann, Toby Ann is the president at one point, and they claimed he ran it, but he did not. but he did not. He came in later. Roland Kaplan was the first president. But B organized, he was organized in our house. As a matter of fact, it was so reactionary, what I'm saying, that when we put up our slate of candidates, the first slate, which includes Bob Hayes, the name Chevrolet, and Louise Wells, who was the president of Elizabeth Hayden, and I don't know if somebody else. Here's what they had a big ad in there.
They said, don't be misled by Louie. One of their candidates is a wife of a labor lawyer who represents a painter. And then they have other faculty. On the bottom is, a mailing address of the is a residence of a wage hour investigator. The wife is a lead vice president. Was this the news that printed them? Both pages. The ads are ads. Oh, they were ads. Full page ads. So, yes, that was... That feeling was very active. That was so. You know, his son went to jail and he got a bum wreck because I'm a father man. I don't know about him. The main thing against him was he took a drug crime.
He asked for just baloney. Because we were there, all this negotiation. I live right north of that, where I live right now. And I wasn't bothered with that. No way, but he did. He had some clients who were trying to get some business. And there was still... It's a long story behind it. But he... Also, he had another... Bankruptcy type thing. Maybe a bank, he's building. I don't remember. Back on this part. Apparently it was a thing that didn't need to judge on closely. But he was a father to me. So what was Lee's purpose? To get the piece to the school board members. He finally got Emmett Conrad elected the first black elected.
What they did was they got the election change from the school board, right off on a Saturday to Tuesday, thinking of blacks in that book. Wow. They all came up with tremendous turnout. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Excellent. And so they stayed in, leave with the active until then? I forgot when. We left the half a while. And what happened was they elected some unitary minister in fact this minister president And a guy by the name of Hernandez no good boy in here Frank Hernandez has all kinds of troubles and strikes claimed he should have been elected because he wasn because he was Hispanic This guy resigned and then he became president.
Mm-hmm. That was him. He never caught himself in meat. Oh, so he was a perpetrator. He ended up killing him, you know. Yeah. Not action in any organization. Right. They're dying. They're dying. They need to reorganize it to have something like a name. Oh, they really do. It's so needed. I don't know what happened. It was right after, when Johnson was running for president, And B was a volunteer there, with Dan Wise in charge of their damn good, of Israel Act of the Jewish Congress. And they take polls a long time. I always proposed when you're back in the vision. The leading mayor, I predicted that Bruce Alton was a Congresswoman there, terrible Congresswoman.
He's the only one that voted not to give Churchill out of every citizenship. I mean, I hate it so much, I didn't want to get the federal bill again. So I predicted based on that what percent of the poor jobs was going to win what percent of was going to win and that Cabo was going to win And I was with less than 1 of the people Looking at the pole? Oh yeah, they used to pull a pole in there. Everybody thought I was a genius. Just did I. So about a week later, I kind of had a line of some result against my assumption.
I found out every one of my assumptions was wrong. Yeah. So you meant you were lucky? Were you lucky? I was lucky. Every assumption was wrong. Oh, gosh. I thought they'd be strong every week about you. Yeah, yeah. So much more. But when I tell these people about that, they thought that was my last thing. But it's the truth. I thought they had all wrong. So in other words, you had a basis for your predictions, and none of those basis paid out. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. But you still got what they wanted to say. I got their reputation. That's great.
Well, we, you know, when Jim Ash was first elected, my son, Les, was a, he's going to Claremont College. Claremont College had a year with his junior year. He'd become an intern for the legislature. I said, what do you do there? I do it here in Dallas in Texas I talk to Jim Madge Judge Elected He got it Then he organized a house study field and they had a wash in it where all the moderates chipped in a couple hundred bucks from the budget and they analyzed bills. And he was ahead of it. Here he was, a college kid, ahead of it. They hired Carl, who just graduated from college, from law school to be a lawyer.
And it became a very powerful institution. As a result of that institution, Maddox had a reputation and became a congressman. Then John Bryan took it over and he became a man. Later on, it was the Conservatives took it over. But for a long time, it was quite an organization. Yes. So they've been quite active. Right now they're behind the scenes in politics and they just give money. Well they've got a busy law practice and their families. Unfortunately, money is so important in politics. You know, I was for campaign reform all along Thank you so much. Well, thank you for giving me all your time and thinking about so many people.