Hy Cohen
Hy Cohen was born in 1926 in Brooklyn, New York, and grew up in a largely Jewish neighborhood, later moving to East New York. His father had an extraordinary life story, running away from Russia at age eleven, traveling across Europe to London, serving in the British Army in South Africa during the Boer War, and eventually emigrating to America, where he worked as a presser of women's clothing. Determined never to take welfare, he worked two jobs to support a large family. Hy was one of twelve children his father had, wanting a big family; several siblings died young. Hy remembered the hardships of the Great Depression only faintly, as his father kept the household fed and working.
From a very young age Hy loved airplanes, inspired in part by his older brother Saul. He read about World War One pilots, built model airplanes, and rented bicycles to ride out to Floyd Bennett Field. As a teenager he worked in a box factory and then as a theater usher, where he met performers such as Bing Crosby, Bob Crosby, and Kay Kyser. His brother, a director of flight operations, helped draw him to Spartan School of Aeronautics in Tulsa, Oklahoma, where Hy trained as an apprentice mechanic. During World War Two he served in the Army Air Forces, training as a flight engineer on the B-17 and later the B-29, attending schools in Amarillo and at the Lockheed factory in California, though the war ended before he went overseas.
Hy met his wife, Edna, at a dance in Tulsa while at Spartan, and they married in 1950. He built a long aviation career, working for the Spartan Aircraft Company and rising to general foreman and assistant superintendent, then moving with the company to Harlingen, Texas. After the business was sold to a Dallas company and eventually closed, his resume led him to General Dynamics, from which he retired. Deeply devoted to his work and family rather than organized activities, he was also active as an assistant scoutmaster in the Boy Scouts. He treasured meeting one of his heroes, racing pilot Jimmy Doolittle, and named the day he first soloed an airplane as one of the happiest of his life. Hy and Edna raised three children and had seven grandchildren and four great-grandchildren.
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hi 1926 brooklyn new york let's go back tell me what was going on when you're just a little boy well we lived in a neighborhood there was mostly jewish at that time and we didn't stated until I was five years old but the only excitement we had had one the kids lived on the first floor and the trains were that close to the window so we used to sit on the right for escape and wave at him as they go by and that was a big assignment ever they hadn't had a trauma in happen in order putty blower is hollow tube that you blow had
a friend named Philly and in New York Hall of basements you go down a staircase to go to the basement where you had to eat and all that and we can go chasing each other with the pudding blow it and he tripped that they went down his throat and he gurgling blood up and his father on the candy store in the building and all i need to do was to go get his father and the ended up being paralyzed from my brows now I was four years old when I saw that at my earliest recollection and then after that we moved who look to the
sunny side is true he went over the East New York and we had sunshine born on the house and I couldn't believe that in turn the light off what is your dad do for a living it was about to call a press inner women's clothes these big pressing machines and he'd sit there and there was peace work and that's what he did he raise my kids at that job but in a hard time you work two jobs with time and stayed on the machine so they can support us I have a lot of respect for him now nine children you were born right before the
depression do you know if it affected your family the Great Depression I didn't even know was going on my father will not take welfare from and he earned everything he could get and we would we live in a tent oh nice tenement it was a tenement and what an apartment out but we had eat we had electricity and we had a loophole didn't know little poor and everybody that could work and chipped into the family I didn't know there was a depression till my father was a rose bouquet in 1932 I recalled going on the street with him handing out leaflets give it over and
then but as far as growing up and just kids on the street what did you guys do for fun you know what do at a young age does you have something that you really want to you know any way you can make some money mom would find ways increase the vital won't we call the person when i was around nine years old and we live in the neighborhood the man came around and put together a jewish choir of all these kids better I don't we didn't have we all around synagogues we had a storefront they didn't need a choir but he put the car together
and they go up me oh the more leak neighborhood when he had a big shoes or temples and he would hire it out for the high only holidays and at that time I was a soprano and I state did that in the time of 9th 11 12 years old wow we did that in the summertime and in the wintertime as soon as I could figure out how to build an airplane model I would build airplane wild and what mother threw me out of the house is that stuffy a clue it was cold dope and it stinks then I'd be on the wintertime in a back
alley building my model flying airplanes with the way was distributed would balsa wood yeah it was it that that drew you to flying I guess I my older brother had a build named Saul he's gone for me now and he was a mom always mechanically fine and he loved airplanes I had another brother between us but he liked him them too so it kind of looked back on to me yeah and people have asked me was the first time I became interested in airplanes and then when I stuck my head out of the womb that's that the only thing I humor I did magazines and
fly and go to the library and get all the world war one Lafayette Escadrille all that kind of stuff and read all about all the different pilots that he break them back when all those guy and I followed that's what I did it because I had to work and I was working in a box factory til I was there 14 years old come under the table deal my mother was going by the theater she found out there neither of us you there they were going to the service so did mr. wife said it'd be 50 uniform he could have the job so I fit the uniforms where I got the job there it got made thirty cents an hour and that's what I did was I going to school and now now when you were working in the theater there to meet any of the stars yeah man Bob Crosby Bing Crosby balkema by brother Kay Kyser my job was when they came in on a Tuesday night they come it was in the loas circuit someone fancy big fear theaters with organ player and everything I didn't book on and he said in Brownsville and they would practice before
they want the paramount in New York City and I hours now was in the balcony squad and time anybody getting repped by throw him out of the theater and my job was that Scott then when they came in to take them to the back so I got to meet a lot of them I remember Kate cards I don't remember a weaver in the musical nuts and the Bob Crosby and I stayed there until I got ready to go to Oklahoma hammer as an airport out there still there upload Benefield fact that so needs to be well and whenever I I didn't have a bicycle my
brother sold a bicycle before I get my hands on it he's supposed to had it down he sold it and they used to rent bicycle but 25 cents an hour so whenever I wasn't working at the theater I rent a bicycle bicycle out the floyd bennett field and hang around the guys if you needed a coke or something i run and go get a pond he the windshield wipers wiped off I wiped them all and in the evening I stay around and people would come out and they rent the plane to fly around the city in the tour and most of that was a guy
in the gallop sit in the back seat so always had the right hand side was that to sort of come on how I hot mom go with us and I go fly around the city he wouldn't let me handle the controls but I didn't do that till I got the Tulsa you remember your grandparents at all no my grandparents are still in the old country okay so you're wiped out in the Holocaust sorry so your folks came over did they come over together your parents so my father had more interesting story than I did he was 11 years old he ran away from Russia put
on the desire and he found himself traveling across Europe and he ended up in London and he was on the streets and that's why he had a big family because he'd always seen he's nice leap leap people who had families and someday I'm going to have a family as many kids as I can have that's why he had 12 children because he wanted a big family and he ended up when he got to be old enough to going the army join the British Army and he ended up in South Africa fighting the Boers the term before the terms with Kitchener can old kitchen he got
captured by the boys they stripped bows were a girl or organization they didn't have standing army and they couldn't keep prisoners they were Dutch and they would capture them they take all that they need in their uniforms for clothes I take the guns away from you and take a thing and he getting strip Nick and they pointed throw the lodges your head back we catch you one more time will kill you some kitchen would send them back to England and cue he got back to England he's walking the streets and he I remember they remember I didn't know they had press gangs that may be
ended up they picked him up put him in the Navy I stayed in the Navy for a year and then when he got out and he did let different jobs met my mother and then he started he and a friend sada come to America enum wasn't doing it for them so they came the best I could figure out the either came to Canada or Ellis Island whenever they'd get it straight but they got over here started little businesses that they could do as a shoemaker and to think and i showed you got enough money to send him my mother she wouldn't college she brought her
sister so he convinced my and Finn to marry the sister to bring her over here and he became a father to the day he died she was up dr. Sarah yeah now you mentioned the 12th total kids for your dead so in he said earlier there were nine of you so three passed away two young age you know older boy my father would never talk about it and then was Alex but I seemed like he was caught a cold or something and he died Eva was a baby girl about three years old a story the story we get he wouldn't talk about it but now we got it from the older kid and be living a third floor and she went out on the prize came and somehow got over and fell to her death
oh boy slowly so he never lived in the house through 11 bottom floor Howard's as the oldest is they wouldn't talk about it wouldn't he is its history that are gone is it the third one was stillborn she was doing what was the name of the high school he went to Alexander Hamilton ok now after high school was at college service or work I would looking at the service time it's in 1943 my brother was a director of flight operations he'd been in the Air Force and they went to start this fly in school and the government in with Captain Balfour was a world war
one ace new order military and he needed a team of mechanics to start its aviation fly-in school even though Spartan was already a civilian fly in school so he convinced my brother to be could buy out of the air force before the war but brother was 24 years old the director of flight maintenance and his fly in school and I always wanted to go out there and join them before when the service I get some on his time forward and I was going to join them I didn't know what repetitive military I was going to join but I went out there went to work as
an apprentice mechanic when it came time to get old and up I want our song out as a cadet but we had cadets there and I'd unloved the mic the bum rides when the guy who's a flight test the airplanes had a lot of fun so I went on to join the Navy Air Force because I thought I'd advise you computer form I get down there naval recruiting I was supposed to meet him at eight o'clock I get the right next we're recruiting over the Air Force recruiting office on the weather navy guy won their heads i sat on the floor just wait for them
to come therefore guys you'll be sitting on the floor get in here is he going to go try to Knievel aviation it's a year I want to fly up a carriage let me show you something you had a big picture with care out in the middle of nowhere he says you're up here that's down there and he showed me another pic a beautiful parksdale field or one of a beautiful runways come home at night you go into town meet the girl right on the ship you're sleeping it but Tommy by the time the Navy got there I said took the test and was an aviation
to hit in the reserve and I got the you waiting for me and said not anymore I'm in the Army now that's all I joined the Air Force and went back and an April to pay 44 they called me up missed out of my cadet training but they close the program down if you work at the pre-flight they've at the same time they close the wash down the women flying car because yet they put the p51 online they get fired all the way to Berlin when they could they can do this it to a woman look for our price couldn't fly that far so they're
Germans were wait till they went back and then he shoot down the Ballmer's once they did that he shut up the look Papa pretty good and they weren't losing you name any bombers so they didn't eat that many pilots so they offered me to go they am a flight engineer school what was the best thing it could happen though did you go into Europe or the Pacific what happened once I got out of Cadets they sent me their am school or Amarillo Texas and that was a six-month course to get fully acquainted with the b-17 all the airplanes I got out I supposed to go
to gunnery school then go over to Europe when I was a top 10 of my class and the b-17g model came online as know what two totally different b-17 and they needed a train guys do that too they send me out to Hollywood California perfect and it was efforts for two months I went through the Lockheed factory school getting trained on the b-17 jeez and from there i ended up gunnery school before i completed it they needed b29 mechanics again they get the top guys in the top classes and sent it to a crash course on b-29 and they ended up at the back in
amarilla and I love amarilla great town you know I'd like the weather wait a minute you get another one and when I got through it I Marilla we went to school to Amarillo from twelve o'clock at night the six o'clock in the morning that's how they had the school running right to get enough mechanics and flight engineer my desk holds what they call the ETS guy airplane was all electric so I don't know of your wire in that place in flight case it got shut up and making repairs and why we were trading in Barksdale field going over to Kirtland a general Carla maids outfit
their 20th that point of it when they dropped the bomb on it that ended honey score know so I never got out of the states yeah yeah and then from then well then that's how I didn't get overseas okay now where did you meet at nuh I was going through Spartans school of Aeronautics in tulsa oklahoma and i was working nights in the shops because i was part time worker get more experience I one Saturday night they didn't have any airplanes in the shelter's you guys take the evening off and go to a movie or something and i was living in the dorms out the
field so i put on my shirt my time with jacob back in those days you used to get dressed up to go to the movies and i came out and there in our cafeteria was all stripped out it was the dad's going on I bigot I don't wanna go to a movie that she was going on at the dance so one during the dance and it looked around nothing excited me it just looked like idea would double or no gals were there didn't excite me by the time the door opened up and four girls came in from downtown he had gone through a YWCA thinking
it was a dance there who's that dances like that all the time and they there's one out of sports and she came with I saw this beautiful little gal I latched on to her and I wouldn't leave her alone until I met and then where did you get settled down we settled in tulsa and i got married in 1950 and our company we were doing a lot of corporate airplanes they were taking these little world war two airplanes and making corporate airplanes out of them well and we had a contract every time one of these things went down we send them a mechanic to check
it out and find out what I needed and sent a team either changing it so that's how I kept my flying up the company had a plane if I couldn't get to buy an airline I get the company plane or with a company problem we fly over there and then I get my flying time I thought I'd spend the rest of my life intelligible and we had Union problems they were another company took us over so I stayed in Tulsa from 1947 camerin 50 and then I moved to Harlingen Texas we move our company down there to South Texas and what was the company when
they become a Spartan aircraft company okay it was the division of the school what happened I was working part time I got in the people there and I stayed with them have I got out of school and I ended up in a general Foreman and assistant superintendent for a while I was the one that closed the shop down while the other guys were opening at the end yeah and then I went down at harlingen and I stayed in harlingen till nineteen seventy-seven but we sold a company to a Dallas company called out a ceremony and there was south and alastair more than southwest air motor
and it became combined Cooper pessimist took a moment and I stay with them until nineteen eighty-one when they shut down became aviel into a small company somebody sent my resume out a hatchet with my daughter was working for a company that she lived in Fort Worth and she worked for a company of sending out applicants and she sent my girls my resume minute they slowly background that I had they called me and they hired me and I went to work for General Dynamics and they're retired from them nineteen eighty you also met Jimmy Doolittle that was an interesting story there's a motel what across the
street from general dynamics i think is green cream something my buddy my neighborhood cleveland was a manager we were both on a hot project we're working together I need to get tickets to all these dip in their affairs on the Thunderbirds he's coming to town date of a dinner for my went to visit with the Thunderbirds all they said well I got a good one when I go tonight and I what is it Jimmy doodles Raiders are going to have it over here that's what time you want me there so I humming them there and we had a dinner and I had a greater at
every table and then they both showed movies and there was a funniest thing you see it on TV with all these guys took up with a flaps up he almost went in the drink and he was there and they were resident that's with funny you get the so we got to Jimmy set up there to greet the people at boo guests and I said I want to go meet Jimmy doula I got to shake his hand but he wasn't my hero for the raid he was my hero when he was a race pilot back in the 30s she worked for Shell Oil Company was a
vice president or two she'll affect the one for Jimmy we wouldn't had airplanes but on you're locked in yet and whoever's didn't have 100 and you'll get me technical again but now I got on the line nobody said what do you go talking about st. go talk about the rate I'm going to add some how he liked it was a little airplane to that time called a gb racer it was about this big had an engine about that big and stubby wings and it was the fastest thing but nobody could maneuver it Jimmy could and I went up to him I said he liked you to call him Jimmy he didn't like you to call him general as the Jimmy I'd you likely flying on gb let me tell you about that day maybe get get yourself killed in that there he said upload one time when I parked that me and
the guy that always crash didn't turn up when we SAT they talked about different busco turning all them guys that he knew them I didn't know that you just want to talk about racing when the people will line they're almost gone up and finally said you better move on his wife was still alive by cooking her name was Joe buy you an aetna did you guys have any involvement with the Jewish community malaria budget I was so wrapped up in aviation and growing through the chairs I never had time like that I work 12 14 hours a day yeah i was involved in Boy Scouts
I was assistant scoutmaster the boy scout troop well that's how else i did it's a kid out the boy scout yeah and then I ended up joining a military organization so I'd like an ROTC so I get ready for the military which really paid off yeah now in your lifetime you've lived through so many momentous occasions of course you know World War two President Kennedy assassination in Dallas the Vietnam era the moon landing something good for the first time in 69 of course the tragedy of 9-11 was there something on the national scene that really affected you where you know exactly where you were when
it happened yes sir nine thing I got up in the morning turn the TV on well okay let me back up a little bit when out Furillo in New York a b-25 flew into the Empire State Building and then the 40s and I was down the street and I heard the crash and was in all the papers you know I'm a 20-pot client too low I turned a TV on over sudden I see it said that building is burning attempt one of the twin towers and solder somebody must have flown into the building all of a sudden I spot another airplane going know what you
know and taking pictures of it and he fluid riding in a bullet i wouldn'ta state of shock and i never got my eyes off that team he said all the rest of the day yeah that did really got to me was the happiest time in your life I could happiest time of my life other than my family the day i soloed the airplane yeah but head instructor got out of that airplane that airplane got quiet I could screw up on where nobody yell at me and finally sold on I took it around the field and one out there and I landed i'll tear it up
and I was I couldn't wait to get home and tell everybody and where I was boarding and i soloed that day it is I'd have to say I'm not counting family right right everything with the family of supreme do that but what I liked best was getting my solo flight in there that means I could go out and be burned Rippetoe now you in the edna have three children a boy and two girls seven grandkids and four great-grandkids what advice does great-granddad have for that next generation my kids I raised them what they could think for themselves my son his own 2016 and he retired
from kmart and he's now working for he were dental company managing a doc in the bog places Aspen Dental give him a pilot plug and he works you were heated shop kid my oldest daughter wanted to know what she should study and I told her you ought to be a teacher she loved to teach the kid at a younger sister and she said why would I want to be a teacher it's always a job going to cannot find a job doing it so both my girl two teachers they're all good kids all my kids are great well hi thanks for doing this today wasn't it
that's it you did a great job man