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my name is jeff epstein it is sunday march 1st and i'm interviewing israel hartman for the one story at a time project viva shalom celebrating latin american jews in dallas good afternoon israel hartman would you tell us where you are from originally i grew up in costa rica can you tell us a little bit about how your family got to costa rica well i was very fortunate to be able to interview my grandfather before he died and he used to come from a very small stadle in poland uh he saw the writing on the wall the the degree of anti-semitism at a time and as
a very young boy he was only 13 when he left he took the first ship that he could that was coming to america and for him i mean it's not as if he had google or a travel agency america was from anywhere from the north pole to the south pole and the ship made a stop in costa rica that port looked as good as any he has ever seen and he just step up you know at the very young age i can't i can't imagine you know what what it was like and that's how he ended in costa rica do you know about what year
this was this was before the war i don't know the exact year actually it was at the beginning of you know we cannot say the beginning of the anti-semitism because there has always been anti-semitism in europe especially in poland but it was before before world war ii and he was traveling by himself he traveled by himself years later he brought his brother and that's that's pretty much the history of the jews uh the jews in costa rica they one brought another one and and a neighbor told a neighbor and a cousin called a cousin and you know there was a most of the jews initially
in costa rica were from poland and how did your father meet your mother my father well it was a very small jewish community and everybody knew each other and and my father was also he was actually specializing in medicine he was a gynecologist and the families knew each other and um they they got married and do you have siblings as well yeah um my my brother is still in costa rica uh i have a brother who lives in israel and i have a sister who lives in houston tell us about your life growing up in costa rica i i consider myself very fortunate because costa
rica was a very simple place and a very beautiful place a lot of nature and which i love a lot of love for nature understanding on the importance of preserving our resources our natural resources as in the jewish community it was a very small close jewish community um most as i mentioned before most of the founders were from poland and they were they practiced uh orthodox judaism even even though none of us were orthodox so it was a kind of a modern orthodox my grandfather used to walk to the school we used to have shabbat dinners every every shabbat but we were not really religious
we we just were part of these orthodox uh polish you said your grandfather used to walk to the show but you said your father was the first one to come here no costa rica no no no my my my father never came here i came here myself no i'm sorry to costa rica my grandfather came to costa rica and my father was born in costa rica oh okay yeah okay all right so your memories of growing up in costa rica uh of where was it a very vibrant jewish upbringing sorry yes i i attended the jewish school we went to the school we had a
jewish [Music] youth organization that i attended he was i learned hebrew at school it was yeah it was a very very good jewish education did you get married in costa rica or after you moved i i got married in costa rica and how did you meet your wife well we grew up together okay i would say i met her in kindergarten oh wow and where did you go to medical in costa rica in costa rica as well yeah now how and why did you make the decision to leave costa rica well after i finished medical school or before finishing medical school i wanted to better
myself here in the states we have the best post-graduate program in medicine and and i i decided that that's what i wanted to do now once you made the decision to leave what do the people other people in your family think about that is it's actually very common um a lot of a lot of costa rican jewish families you know who want to go for post-graduate education they go abroad a lot of them and here in the united states so some other ones go to south america or europe did you end up moving directly to dallas or were there any other stops in between there
were several stops my first stop was in florida my grandfather used to have an apartment in miami and i used that as my first stop to study for my boards then i came to dallas uh there was an endocrinologist here in dallas that offered me a job initially before starting my specialty then i went to indiana university in indianapolis to do my internal medicine specialty and then i came back to dallas to do my endocrine specialty at ut southwestern in dallas now at this point you said you were already married do you also have children by then yes we were the parents of triplets uh
three girls who by the way came to the jcc uh a lot to all the camps when they were growing up in kindergarten initially uh they came here to jccc in dallas wow so you came to dallas in what year apparently to stay nineteen 1989 and you've been here ever since and did you have any other family here or were you the first of your family to move to dallas we were the first so had you been to the united states before your first trip when you moved to miami yes um um my as i mentioned my grandfather used to own an apartment in miami
we used to vacation there a lot so did you have any kinds of issues adjusting to life in the united states well not adjusting to life in the sense that it was something different you know it was difficult we were starting i had triple triplet uh babies uh i was uh i was gone a lot working at the university as is customary when you're starting my wife had to stay home with the uh with the babies uh it was not easy you know but i i don't regret any any moment of it it was the right decision did you get very involved in the jewish
community when you first moved here no no i i didn't i i didn't have time to do to do that i was very busy my specialty requires that you work hard and you know and when i was not working at the university i had three little girls so i used to i used to do extra work a lot uh what we call moonlighting so i used to work in the emergency rooms all over all over the place so now i didn't have time to i wish i had but i didn't have time to to get uh too involved but you said your wife and daughters
would spend time with the jewish community yes they were here all the time they were here quite a bit did they did they get involved in other jewish activities do you remember of course yeah okay uh since then as you've lived here for now 30 years have you gotten involved in the jewish community in other ways we yeah we are members of the gcc we attend the federation uh activities we we have uh a lot of friends in the jewish community to that extent i never took a leadership position that's what what you're asking in the jewish community but yeah we're we're involved we're very
involved do you remember any differences if any between jewish customs here and when you grew up in costa rica it's interesting that you asked that we were a very homogeneous group of jews in costa rica when we were growing up we were ashkenazis with polish roots who were orthodox that were not orthodox and we came here and it was a shock to see all the different sizes and flavors of jewish communities that you have here and we didn't really know how to define ourselves because we when you used to go to the school the prayers were you know in the orthodox tradition uh in costa
rica uh but we were not orthodox so we went to orthodox jewels you know it was the same the same um prayers the same um see the ring the same customs but the people in the orthodox shoe were not like like us i mean we were not uh schumer shabbat and we didn't you know we we were not 100 kosher and so there was um there was a discrepancy between the show and and the traditions we went to the reform school and the people were like us in the sense of customs and traditions but the prayers were different and the civil rights were different and
so we didn't really know where to where uh what was our best fit um and finally we decided that uh the reform show was uh our best fit uh since you know shabbat and actually you know we used to go to the only occasionally and for the big holidays and that was our best fit are there any foods you remember jewish themed foods you remember as a child i like costa rica um i mean our religion wouldn't be a religion without food and his is uh basically you know the the european polish foods you know that my grandmother my my aunt used to cook and
it was delicious any particular ones were your favorite i remember my my grandmother used to make uh excellent russian soup and i as a doctor and endocrinologist i wouldn't recommend anybody to eat that he had probably you know 5 000 calories per serving full of fat you know but it was delicious now how important was israel to you growing up in costa rica well it was very important actually before i come to america i went to israel and i served in the israeli army we we grew up in a very zionist environment it made sense my my grandparents survived the holocaust because they left europe
in time and i grew up being 100 convinced that if we had the state of israel the holocaust wouldn't have happened at the time um you know the reason why we had the holocaust is because the jews didn't have anywhere to go um they were rejected even here in america we were rejected um my grandfather was lucky uh he had a vision he was a visionary and he saved himself so uh and i am i am 100 convinced that if if we didn't have the state of israel today we would have had another holocaust right now i'm sorry i didn't quite understand the chronology you
said you served in the israeli army at what point in your life was that when i finished high school i went to israel and i joined the army and how long were you living in israel three years and three years and you served in the army yeah and what did you do in the army i was a paratrooper paratrooper there yeah and then after you finished i went back to costa rica i went to medical school and that's when you went on to medical school okay okay so did are there any traditions that you grew up with costa rica that you have seen it important
that your daughters continue as they go into adulthood well i think that it's important to recognize that we're jews i'm not the religious person i believe in god i believe in tradition but i think that it's important for them to recognize the importance of judaism import you know our heritage our history for them to know the roots and it's important for me uh to educate them that you know there is a god and to teach them you know right from wrong and and i think that that's the most important thing i can teach you well thank you very much today for coming and sharing your
story with us i'd like to give you a moment now if there's anything else you'd like to add well uh i think i think that uh i would like to add that i have been very lucky i grew up in costa rica i have seen the best of both worlds costa rica was a great place to grow up i chose the best state there is texas we we love it here and i don't see myself living anywhere else so i have seen i have made very good decisions coming here to texas was one of them texas has been very very good for me and my
family it gave me an education gave my daughters an education and opportunity to succeed in life and for that i'm very grateful well thank you again for coming here and sharing your story with us today thank you you