Jo-Sandra Greenberg
Jo-Sandra Greenberg came from immigrant roots. Her mother's family emigrated from Romania, settling in New York City, where the family name was shortened to Segal. Her grandfather was an electrician who turned household objects into lamps, and though her grandmother kept a strictly kosher home with two sinks, her grandfather quietly enjoyed bacon and eggs at a corner eatery on Sunday mornings. Her father came from Russia and worked as a tailor, peddling children's clothing and mending garments in Dallas. Her mother, who had come from New York through Galveston to visit friends, was selling ladies ready-to-wear at a downtown store called the Leader when the two met.
Raised in University Park, Jo-Sandra attended Bradfield School, where she was the only Jewish child until the fourth grade and often felt solitary, riding her bike around University Park and Highland Park for fun. Her family later moved near Northwest Highway and Hillcrest, and she attended Franklin junior high and graduated from Hillcrest High School, taking part in orchestra, Latin club, and BBYO. Though her family kept the major holidays and observed traditions like visiting the cemetery, they did not attend services regularly. A powerful childhood moment came when she accidentally rode a bus to the new Shearith Israel building and, seeing sunlight behind the ark, felt she belonged there and asked to change congregations.
Determined to attend college and become a teacher, Jo-Sandra earned her degree and later a master's in special education. She married and briefly lived in Washington, D.C., where her husband served during Vietnam and she worked at the Pentagon, before returning to Dallas when he took a job with Sears. She taught in special programs in Fort Worth and beyond, spent 23 years with the Richardson School District, and later taught at Brookhaven College and the Dallas Institute of Funeral Service before retiring. She helped launch a special education Sunday program for the Jewish community and co-taught religious school at Temple Shalom. She and her husband raised two sons and take pride in their grandchildren, her teaching career, and the many programs she started that others carried forward.
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all right good afternoon I am Joe reingold the interviewer and I'm here with Joe Sandra Greenberg today is Thursday January 13 2022. hello there good afternoon good afternoon Joe okay um take us back a little bit if if you will to whatever you know about your grandparents your parents whatever you think is applicable and what you know about where where and when they were born and where they grew up my I only know a little bit about my maternal grandparents and very little bit about my father's parents my mother's parents come from Romania and the story is that my grandmother was a beautiful woman at 16 was attracted to a um a Romanian soldier who was not Jewish so she was married to a man quite a bit
older than she and uh they married and started having children every two years and shortly after that they came to America he was an electrician so everything I ever saw in my home that looked like a Vaz or a vase was turned into a lamp great wonderful but they came they had a name that was apparently longer perhaps but it was shortened to Siegel s-e-g-a-l okay where did they settle when they came here they came to New York and in uh in the city and they stayed there for many many years that's basically where you where they were where they said probably I think as
the children there were six children that survived and the crossing must have been terrible because when I found the the uh whatever it is that you see where all the names are listed my mother was six and um she said that they came over in 1901 but they really came in 1906 and she said she didn't remember it so it must have been a horrible thing um for her to have to remember okay and you said your other side you didn't know much about no um my father was 10 years older than mother not five as he said and he came from Biola Russia where
it is said that his side of the family were cantors but but he was a tailor and they met because of he was in Dallas taking clothes from various factories that had children's clothing because that was his area of expertise and he would show on buttons or fixed zippers and then go out and pedal them that's how he was making his money and mother was selling uh ladies ready to wear at a store called the leader in Downtown Dallas I'm just curious how did they settle on Dallas Texas when they came over I don't know about my father I don't know well my mother had
her best friend her name was Lillian um Jack and Lillian and I'll think about the name in a minute but they got married in New York and I had pictures of them in bathing costumes back in the mid mid teams and uh my mother could not decide whether or not to divorce her first husband so she got on a boat in New York and landed in Galveston and came to Dallas to visit Beth and um not Beth Lil and Jack are buddies and so during the time she was here her husband died of a ulcer and so she and my brother half Brothers stayed here
and that's she was here when when she met my father in the late 80s do you know how they met I do not uh Dallas I'm sure was a very small Jewish population and mother didn't like him at first he wasn't uh he didn't have enough uh get up and go for her she had Stanley my brother who was uh you know a young boy at the time and she wanted a man who was going to take care of her and he didn't seem like he had enough starch in him so that didn't go anywhere until he started dating a woman she didn't like got
back in the picture and they ended up getting married yeah I was going to say you were born and raised here so tell us a little bit about what you did as a child for fun what was your neighborhood like what did you do for amusement and just a little bit about your experiences when you were young here well I was I was raised in University Park and I attended Bradfield when it was unair conditioned and I was the only Jewish kid in the entire school until Ronnie Marks moved in in the fourth grade so I was not invited to any of the birthday parties
I did not uh I was never invited home to play with any of the kids um I was just very solitary when they uh had the students read the devotionals in the morning I was never allowed to do that until the sixth grade sixth graders did that but where other people did true devotionals I got to read a poem yeah and so I rode my bike a lot I uh rode my bike all over University in Highland Park the great fun was to climb over the um dividing fence onto I don't know what T it was but it was the Dallas Country Club and collect
the teas from that tea box and then get out of there before you got caught great I would I was a tomboy did you stay in that area in Highland Park throughout your schooling throughout High School no I left uh when I came home from camp in the eighth grade we lived in another place mother sold my baby grand and my books my childhood books and we lived on Bandera just near Northwest Highway and Hillcrest and I went to Franklin when it was a three-year junior high and I graduated from Hillcrest when it was a three-year High School wow okay so what kind of activities
did you do there when you switched to Franklin um well I was in the orchestra uh I was in the Latin club I was in bbyo what else did I do went to the movies loved always to go to the movies went to the skating rink the dewback skating rink it was on the curve where Presbyterian Hospital is now on Greenville there was a um a Sandy bottomed pool there and it was wonderful there was um there was that and miniature golf right there and the skating rink what kind of Jewish background would you say you had and did your parents belong to a synagogue
in any organizations when you were growing up so my grandfather was very Progressive and my grandmother was not she had two sinks one of them was always kosher I mean her house was kosher God forbid you should put something in the wrong place my grandfather on the other hand mother told me would come uh home and do everything my grandmother said but on Sunday morning he went down the street and had bacon and eggs at the corner place to eat so mother grew up that way and although she kept she kept the uh most of the rules of being a secular Jew so she kept
the major holidays we did not attend Services regularly um I remember as a very young child the one thing we really did do was go to the cemetery for uh cover a vote and we would as a very young child I stood near my father's Senate uh grave [Music] and then we would go ahead no I was just going to say so they did not they did not belong to a particular synagogue are you saying I think I think we belonged to I just don't remember I I don't remember as a very young child belonging to anything I remember one time we went to uh
Sheriff Israel on way down on Park Ave Park row because I remember going upstairs to where the women sat and it was very dark and it was very quiet and I had to be very very quiet but after that we went to Temple Emanuel on South Boulevard Rabbi Klein scared me to death because he had bushy bushy eyebrows and he was a very dark man and he had a five o'clock shadow at nine in the morning and we would meet every Sunday to have Sunday morning services we did you know the Friday service on Sunday so we get used to it and get up there
and he dressed in robes and he'd stand up there and the way the lighting came down on his face his whole face was covered up with his eyebrows so he just there's hardly a face there and if anybody remembers Rabbi Klein he was adorable and he was wonderful but you know until you got to know him he was a pretty scary looking guy correct it is a great memory and I do remember Temple Emanuel and then I remember going to SMU while they built the new Temple and at that time you used to go to the Village Theater and get on a bus and go
to the uh synagogue excuse me I am so sorry well I apologize okay I'm glad you can cut this out and one day I got on the wrong bus and I got to the new share with Israel I remember walking in the building where the drop-off point was and I smelled the paint I can still smell it in my mind and walked down that hallway between the um place where they opened up for all the extra seats during the high holy days and the main sanctuary and I happen to look through the doorway the Sun was shining behind the ark and I felt this shiver
go through me and it was like oh you know what you really belong here so when they called my mother to tell me I was at this other place she said do you want me to come get you and I said no I think I'll stay here and uh when I got back I said you know I think I think I want to change and so we did and so I went to uh seventh eighth ninth grade I was confirmed there sang in the choir under Al Turner I was married there and confirmed and then married there and it was not until we had children
and I insisted that we had to belong somewhere that my husband was more comfortable at Temple Emanuel that we went back there very good so the light Shone and it was like that's amazing it really was yeah that's quite something tell me a little bit about college and then what you did after that and what kind of work you did foreign I always wanted to go to college I never wanted to just graduate from high school go to work although I started working at 13 in address Factory in Downtown Dallas in a sweatshop actually yeah but I went to college because I always wanted to
be a teacher but when I got to college I was more interested in the degree than the learning so by the time I finished College I did what everybody else did in four years it took me five years and three Summers and when I graduated I had just gotten married so I went to Washington DC where my husband drove a car for the motor pool for the Department of the army and uh at the Pentagon and I ended up getting a job at the Pentagon as a nobody you know like a typist uh because nobody would give me a job as a college graduate with
a husband in the service during Vietnam and so I did that for a little over a year but I got to work as um I got a promotion I got another job there when I came back to Dallas I worked for the Department of uh no Corps of Engineers for a while then I worked at the Fort Worth National Bank and then I worked at I don't know a couple of other places but I always wanted to teach so I went back and got the few hours that I needed and started teaching at a special program um in Fort Worth and then I did a
special program that was at Carswell Air Force Base and then I did when it the ill-fated University of Plano with special needs adult kids going to college before they really did that sort of thing and I fell in love with the idea of students who needed extra special guidance I get something extra in the classroom so I ended up going back and getting the Masters in special education where I stayed I was at the Richardson School District for 23 years doing that wonderful and when I left there I was at Brookhaven College and then I finally finished I retired last year from the Dallas Institute
of Funeral Service where students were are taught to become funeral directors and uh and bombers I talk English College English writing wow just before we go on back up just a minute and tell us how did you get back to Dallas you just said when I was backing out but how come you decide oh after my husband got out of the service he was employed by Sears so we came back here very good did you did both of you or either of you join any organizations when you were back here and get involved in anything yes we were in Fort Worth and uh Ernest Cohen
I don't know if anybody will ever remember her name but she this is in Fort Worth she tagged me to become a charter president for a neighbor's night group in Fort Worth so I started that with her guidance and then uh I don't know what I did when I moved back here I'm sure I did something I've I've been connected with Jewish stuff always so how has your family grown we have two sons and three grandsons and two granddaughts and where are they now each of them uh the dogs are in Pennsylvania and the boys are in uh Maryland okay and what do they do
uh the three boys little boys go to school my sons one works for the federal government the other one is a veterinarian obviously the one with the dogs yeah good okay now since you've been here a very long time tell us about your feelings about how Dallas the Dallas the city of Dallas has changed and then also the Dallas Jewish Community what it was like when you were younger and what do you what do you see it it adds to being right now the whole thing because you know when you're in a place for a very long time you don't really see the change unless
you leave and come back well and I haven't done that well you came back at one point though I know but that's like 45 years ago okay right and since then things have changed I think the one thing I've seen is that the size of the city is so large that people can be isolated in various parts of the city with with groups but they are not necessarily uh engaged in the larger picture of the Jewish community unless there's something that ends up tying them together I started as special education uh Sunday program for the city with Judy kogut in the 90s and that Drew
people from all over the city it ended up as at The JCC with Laura Seymour you couldn't ask for any better but during the course of doing that we pulled people in from all over the city and so there was that kind of connection but you know what I mean there was not it wasn't like I don't know I wasn't aware of bbyo very much because my boys were not active in it so I don't know how it worked it's changed a lot too I imagine it has it has listen since you lived in Fort Worth I'm just curious can you just briefly compare your
life in Fort Worth versus when you came back to Dallas after that in my world in my mind Brett who is uh the 50 year old was born in Fort Worth and we lived in Fort Worth twice each time for a couple of years but really a long time ago and the big difference for me was that Fort Worth was real and Dallas was sort of plastic that was just the way I felt about it I don't know if that has changed any because it's been so long since I lived in Fort Worth but I would imagine with the growth and the population again that
distance makes it difficult for people to live in the kinds of communities where you're five minutes away from everybody you want to hang out with I just don't know I think there's just a different dynamic and how you live here um I think we don't all live with Jewish friends that much anymore I don't know about other people I'm not sure we all go with Deuce doctors you know I I just think there's a different way of living are you involved at all in anything in civically in the city itself other than Jewish activities when you say civically you mean with um uh I don't
know uh politics or neighborhood associations or you know something other than Jewish activities I am part of my neighborhood association that does not require you to uh keep your grants a certain height we are civically involved in the city of Garland and we were we're one of the first neighborhoods to pull together and create a neighborhood association so we are are involved with our neighborhood and we've run awards for the way we handle our our politics if you will very good um that particular neighborhood to live in Fort Worth was not as expensive as Dallas when we moved and we needed a place to live
when we moved back we had Brett who was turning four um and we knew we wanted another child but we wanted to live in the Richardson School District because that was where we wanted to live and Garland was less expensive than Richardson houses were going up a thousand dollars a month wow a month so the house that I bought for 27.5 yeah for the fortune now right it is worth my time going to talk to them about taxes because it's you know silly um along the way who would you say if anybody was your role model in life for anything or for being Jewish no
I'm it's up to you it could be both it could be either one whatever you think anybody that really stands out that you were trying to emulate or that you were very very close with that you know that really shaped things in your life anybody I think for being a human being I had a professor during my graduate degree time Ed hammer he was very uh noteworthy in helping me develop into the person I wanted to become and then a friend of mine uh named Bennett Miller opened my interest in that very type of Civic activity you're talking about we ended up co-teaching religious school
at Temple Shalom back in the very infant days I had Jay was a baby and he didn't have the time to to teach every week so we taught opposite weeks and that's how I got to meet him wow he was very uh he was very early on in re-revitalizing downtown I know the name and I I got to know him pretty well interesting man yeah yeah very good okay now here's a really good one what are you most you can say your family but I'd love it to be something other than what are you most proud of for me personally yeah you have quite a
few good accomplishments what what do you feel is the the best thing you've done in your life so far well I'll tell you Tony Morrison said her children were her best things and I have to tell you that has to be it but if it were anything else it would be the fact that if you dig around where I have been I have started a lot of things that other people have made into better things and they have taken the credit for it and I'm delighted for that that's very humble you should well no I don't know they they made it they made it so
they should get the credit for it and I'm delighted okay that's wonderful before we close um we've covered several different areas but is there anything else you'd like to add about your family or about anything else hobbies anything that you're involved in or anything you'd like us to know about I love to quilt I love to read I'm not finished I may be retired but I still have things that I can give and uh watch me now that's fantastic thank you thank you very much for letting me say this yes absolutely and I will see you Sunday