Judith & Paul Tobolowsky
Paul Tobolowsky was born in Dallas in 1947 into a sprawling family that put down deep roots in North Texas. He recounts that his grandfather left Poland as a teenager, fleeing pogroms in the late 1800s, to join a brother in North Texas, and from those beginnings the family spread across many small towns and into Dallas. His grandfather peddled household goods from a horse-drawn cart along a route through what is now North Dallas, staying with Jewish families for the Sabbath. Paul's father, Dave Tobolowsky, born in 1922, was a pediatrician who built his practice in Oak Cliff and chose to remain there even as much of the Dallas Jewish community moved north. As a result, Paul grew up as the only Jewish student in his Kimball High School class, graduating in 1965. His brother Stephen became an actor and author, and his sister a university professor.
Judith grew up in a very different setting, born in Brooklyn to parents from the Lower East Side and raised on Long Island in a largely Jewish community. She studied speech pathology and earned a graduate degree at Boston University, then worked in the Wellesley Public Schools, a job she loved. Paul, meanwhile, graduated from Southwestern Medical School in 1973, where he was class president and graduation speaker, and completed an internship at Boston City Hospital. The two met when Judith attended a party thrown by one of Paul's fellow interns. They married and moved to Dallas in 1979. They settled in North Dallas and raised three children, daughter Deborah born in 1982 and twin sons born in 1985, with the loving help of Paul's parents, June and Dave.
In Dallas, Paul built a career as an internist, choosing internal medicine over emergency work because he valued lasting relationships with patients. As the practice of medicine became more corporatized and time-limited, he chose to retire and pursue a long-held dream of writing about the wonder of ordinary life, publishing a book titled Stardust Dancing. Judith returned to speech pathology part time after years focused on family, and remains a skilled pianist who once accompanied the National Council of Jewish Women singers. The couple connected to the community through the Jewish Community Center, where Paul played basketball and tennis and made many friends and patients, while their children attended preschool there and Sunday school at Temple Emanu-El. Their two sons became lawyers in the Washington, D.C. area and another son a doctoral student in religious studies. They speak of their marriage as one where each is the other part of a shared self.
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and there we go good morning this good morning this is July 1st of 2014 my name is Pauline Revere and I am interviewing dr. Paul and Judy Tobolowsky from Dallas Texas and they are an amazing couple who actually Paul is a particularly interesting because of his upbringing in Dallas which is a little unusual and then of course for having a second career so I would like to begin by asking Paul how his family got to Texas because you have an extensive family would you tell us about their art we keep hearing new stories about it all the time but my grandfather is a teenager maybe about age 14 or so left poems driven outside pogroms and he apparently had a brother in North Texas and he came to be with
his brother in North Texas and from those two I'm told the family was fertile and multiplied and spread that around North Texas and we find him in the strangest places now they found their way to lots of small towns into Dallas where the main bulk of town velocities level um for instance some of the small towns would you hover in Texas Wichita Falls Texas where else relatives that you don't know there's just small towns yes the famous baseball player named Tris speaker of the ancient days of baseball whose best friend was at tava Bosque and some little town in Texas so interesting and was it
always dry goods or what what kind of business is my father's father I Brown Montopolis key didn't know where to bake mush when he emigrated and apparently the family kept horses and he went around selling household items on cart pulled by two horses and I'm told he had a one-week route to be backed by the Sabbath and he had a two-week route and there was a Jewish family he would stay with often sleeping on the ground or in a barn for the Sabbath night so he could be with the Jewish family on Shabbat what a wonderful story and then who came to Dallas first or
do you know my grandfather a big Topalov ski and his route was through this now densely settled area but then it was all rural the North Dallas suburbs they remember the year that he first came that the you said he was escaping pogroms about what year would you say it was in the late 18-hundreds I wasn't born until 1947 and by then I was horrified to find that he was driving a car and let's say I hope he was safer with the court with the horse and wagon and he was with the car he had one signal he would stick his arm out the window
amendment he was going to do something and and that was his universal signal and even in my young age I realized this was a terrifying that too is a wonderful story well his horse didn't need much more than that doing now I'm told the faced decision when one of the horses died whether to get another horse or get a car and at some point he decided to get a car and fortunately there was not as much traffic on Hillcrest at the time and he was able to survive to almost 90 years old was by driving the way he did it's amazing he was a colorful
character indeed you mentioned Hillcrest which is in the north part of Dallas but where did you grow up what we grew up in Oak Cliff our family did I'd mentioned to Ferrand is really the cornerstone that fared Israel is t my grandfather from his children but my father Dave Tobolowsky who's been interviewed dead was born April 15th 1922 and dave was a pediatrician and he had started a Pediatrics practice in Oak Cliff the baseball team the minor league baseball team was in Oak Cliff and the zoo was in Oak Cliff so that the kids would have an activity and so he started his practice in
Oak Cliff and then when the rest of the Dallas Jewish population moved to North Dallas he faced the decision of whether to give up on his practice and start from scratch in North Dallas or to stay where he was and to keep his practice and he decided it was too hard to start a medical practice from scratch again so he elected to stay in Oak Cliff and so I turned out to be the only Jewish person in a Kimble high school class of over 800 we graduated in 1965 so my friends weren't Jewish I didn't know what it was like to take a Jewish girl
the only contact I had them had with other Jews was in Sunday school and we went for a while that the ferret is real and for a while to temple Emmanuel and other than my cousin Martin Toby everyone else in the class I didn't know and they seemed to know each other so it being a teenager awkward times t on being in this group of people that I didn't know if you all seem to know each other and so it was it was awkward but I had an idyllic childhood really my parents were just wonderful people and I don't know going to what extent you've
got to meet them but my mother June Tobolowsky was just so fun loving and everyone she managed was she was just so joyful and my dad was just yes still a fabulous person he's 92 now and was always my role model so any flaws and they are not due to my parents they were was very blessed Paul did you have any siblings I have a moderately famous sibling my brother Stephen Tobolowsky is an actor I'm 65 Steven would be 62 now and he's been living in Los Angeles it made a nice professional career as an actor and he wrote a book as well and he
was a Tony Award nominee back about 15 years ago in a play called mornings at 7:00 on Broadway and I have a sister who's a professor at the University of Texas at Arlington and she's been in higher education as hers specialty and then you as an internist what and a very talented family it sounds like being the only Jew in a class of 800 and they went through the same type of education it sounds like you didn't suffer too much you are all you are all successful well my dad was as I say my role model other than he was a pediatrician and in those
days they there were selva doctors he was a solo doctor he was done call essentially all the time people would call our house all day all night and he never was off-duty it eventually came to pass that he would be exchanging call with another doctor Thursday afternoons she had a few hours off each way but I decided that was all work in no fly and would be not the lifestyle I chose so I chose to do an internal medicine because I wanted relationships with people and so I did that I made that choice it was a very fulfilling career and I got a chance to
meet you I'm delighted you make that choice and Judy you have been sitting so patiently you are I have seen you when and Paul does his speeches about his book and you are in my view of the the perfect the perfect spouse you have your patient you look interested and and you're very attractive and I just learned that you're from New York could you tell us about your upbringing and how you got to Texas well mine was a little bit different from Paul's my parents my grandparents both came in to lower Manhattan to Ellis Island and my parents were both born in the Lower East
Side of New York they met in Florida and got married and I was born in Brooklyn I lived in Brooklyn until I was six and a half and then we moved to Long Island where pretty much everyone was Jewish my school was all Jewish my elementary school my high school was all Jewish they were multiple synagogues and temples in the area so we never occurred to me that I would be living anyplace it was different I didn't have that experience that's called Jewish we I went to Boston for graduate school to Boston University in speech pathology and I met Paul after I was working there
for a number years we started dating and decided eventually that we would get married and moved to Texas and here 35 years now how long ago was that that you came to Dallas 1979 and you were there for school also I graduated from Southwestern Medical School in 1973 and I was class president and a Southwestern Medical School class of 73 Upjohn award-winner graduation speaker dad 1973 wonderful I think too young it's a jump yeah so I enjoyed working at a City Hospital parkland and I got lots of responsibility as someone training at Parkland Hospital and I thought I will pick another part of the world
that I might not otherwise have a chance to get to know and I will apply for an internship at the city hospital there so I ended up the Boston City Hospital which no longer exists but Lake Hospital it was a big rough ragged Hospital that was tough place and I learned a lot it was physically and psychologically challenging but one of my fellow interns threw a party and invited me and he invited a friend of Judy's and the friend of Judy's mentioned it to Judy and I am ever so by the Judy crashed the party that's an exciting story too good for you I wouldn't
say she exactly crashed it she's not exactly I knew somebody the person that is wonderful so you came to Dallas you told me earlier that you thought you would be an ER doc and had trained for that and then you switch did that cost you anymore time travel time I actually trained in internal medicine but during the years where we were just trying to decide what to do after I finished my internal medicine training program we were still living in the Boston area and I on a month-by-month basis did ER work to support myself so that ended up three years of emergency room work and
it was that's a nice area to do emergency room work I did 24 hour shifts which at that young age was something else used to I during the course of my internship and residency often it'll work longer shifts than that where you're every third night on call all night and all the next day so I was used to being white 36 40 hours at a time and working on that time so I did seven 24 hour shifts a month as an emergency room doctor leaving me lots of free time and I had a girlfriend what a thrill I was after missing decade I was 29
when JT was 28 and we've had lots of fun since then I agree with you that she was she was an ideal friend in real life with indeed well now tell us that you have children yes and how many three children so I just wanted to tell you it was a kind of a difficult decision to move to Dallas I had a job that I loved speechpad Southwest ecology I worked in the Wellesley Public Schools and I loved the job and I loved had a lot of friends that I was very close to in Boston my mother was sick at the time when she died
just before we got married making it a little bit easier to leave my father was still there but we moved here and then in 1982 we had a daughter Deborah and in 1985 we had twin sons our commander well that must have been exciting for the entire Topol ops team family and yours I'm an only child so it was very different for me but I had wonderful they had wonderful grandparents who took helped us in every way possible isn't that wonderful that's exciting where they for journal or identical journal Paterno's is wonderful gram counts for my parents June attentive unfortunately Judy's mother as she mentioned
had died we actually got married twice once unofficially when we realized that Judy's mother wasn't going to live long enough to make it till our scheduled wedding so their rabbi was kind enough to go through the ceremony with us but he pointed out that it didn't count as an official service but we went through we celebrate that ceremony as well as our real wedding day and our official wedding date and then we moved back here my parents have been stranded when my brother and sister also left to pursue their careers so my parents were delighted to have family back in town we there's the biggest
in Bhutan Polaski family too but they're somewhat in look there's a big extended and almost a film like yes and so my my parents always have that but once we moved back to town and they had and children they made two super grandparents isn't that you're so fortunate aren't you are you now were there any special challenges what moving back to Dallas was it and and coming into the Jewish part of Dallas in North Dallas was there any particular advantage or disadvantage to that would you say because you didn't know a lot of people right but I was aware that there was that whole in
my life that I wanted to fill and the Jewish Community Center I heard had a basketball leg and I'm the typical Jewish basketball player in that I like a one inch vertical lake but I was very competitive at sports I'm not competitive and other aspects of life that I had a wonderful time playing basketball and tennis at the Jewish Community Center legs and my lots of friends many of which became my patients many of which became our ongoing friends and so the JCC was a great place for us to finally hook up with a lot of people in the Dallas Jewish community that that is
certainly a wonderful tribute to sports of course and the JCC so and our children started the mother's day out here and went to preschool all the way through kindergarten so they're used to it and they come over or do does anybody live in down Oh so were you grandparents to know whatever Suns is getting married in a year and we hope eventually to have grandchildren one hopes but that does not always happen and did anybody follow you into medicine Paul no we have two more years amongst our three children we have my daughter and one of my sons are lawyers in the Washington DC area
and their other son when it's religious studies he's a PhD student at Brown Newton in Providence Rhode Island and he's finished all of the dissertation part he should have that done within a year so then he'll be job hunting yes what type of force would he do he knows he knows thought about history of the ancient Middle East and a lot about ancient religions so stay in academics but that's the world he likes and good good for him and he's been to Israel of course many times does he speak Hebrew fluently or no okay there's not too much about it there is a difference there
there is well I am ass making an assumption that when you were young Judy that you did not have do you have siblings and certainly okay so you you did say that you were no only child when you were in school I am assuming since everybody everybody almost everybody was Jewish that you didn't have any anti-semitic cracks or comments to deal with okay and and school let out on Russia Shona and yom kippur fascinating isn't it and she'll have a different experience pardon our children had a slightly different experience really okay can you tell us about that well we moved to North Dallas just behind
Medical City and there were some Jews Jewish families in the in the neighborhood but when our children started first grade when I daughter started first grade she was one of four Jewish kids in the class and it was there that at some point in her early elementary age L by G brave she was asked if she believed in Jesus and was told that she didn't believe in Jesus she would go to hell and I had never encountered anything like that and there were another a number of other a slightly not such nice things said not really anti-semitism is as such when I was a nun
awareness of the things that could be said that would be not taken well when she heard that and she answered and we're certainly proud of her for not we're not just saying yes I do done the easy way out were there any other repercussions did the kids isolate her or or anything no no they only I think she's been very proud of their Jewishness having going to the JCC they had a strong sense of being Jim Jewish so they did go to Sunday school at Temple van ul the only other thing that happened a male in elementary school from high school actually is when they
are the Jewish holidays of course they would take off and I'd have to write a note and he just did some teach of understood and we're very accepting of and others were not as accepting of it so there was a test being taken that day they'd have to make it up very very soon afterwards they were no excused it was an excused absence but I had to ask year for it when I when I grew up in Dallas I was not really bothered by the fact that every day would begin with a blessing over the loudspeaker which was usually a Christian prayer at Kimball high
school you know cliff and then at lunch there would also be a prayer before before lunch every day and again it just slid off me I didn't pay attention to it or feel threatened by it I just thought that's the way the world works or at least that's the way the neighborhood works and no one ever said anything to the one Jew and they in the class no one ever made an anti-semitic comment everybody was friendly again so I have no complaints my father this generation was different where he went to the medical school Southwestern Medical School Parkland Hospital training program and they only had
a couple of Jewish slots and one of which he got and so he knew what it was like to feel prejudiced and I and I never felt prejudice against and I were you as athletic in high school as you were when you came back as a younger sir well I played sports every day but you may have not noticed public but I'm actually really scrawny and those high school football players are 215 I decided been hit by a 250 pound person didn't really figure into my long-term picture what I wanted in life so I would play football with my buddies or basketball or tennis or
baseball depending upon what about the basketball that's where you seem to excel as an adult I probably am best tennis because it's not violent there no one knocks me and so I still love playing sports but I have quit anything that requires keeping score so if I play tennis with someone we just hit the ball around I was as I mentioned very competitive about sports of my younger years and that changed from banging I feel I got allowed to if they liked that I did not love and I got to where I had trouble watching sports and participating in sports that required keeping score so
I still like if some will throw a baseball with me after this interview I would love it but that's probably not going to happen that's I think you very addled you and tennis is a great sport oh what's your life like now no I know that you went and had a successful practice I certainly know that from experience oh and then you retired now tell us about that well you know my secret I during my years working as a doctor I had a revelation and it started when I was a child learning Bible story since Sunday school and I thought why do all those biblical
miracles not happen to me why do C's not part for me like they did in the Bible and my home even as sent out of us and was that at some time in my life I would have one of those biblical scale miracles happen in my own life to me and the miracle of choice I selected was the burning bush story I wanted one of those burning bushes that's not consumed by fire and those are hard to come by it would say but I came to realize and I should have realized that decades before idea that all of us are burning and not consumed by
the fire we literally are metabolically burning and not consumed by the fire so it turned out that the miracle that I had been seeking my whole life wasn't me and I discovered this when I was about 40 years old or so so I hoped at some time in my life that I would retire and have time to explore this and write about how amazing how miraculous we are without realizing without realizing that our ordinary selves or so am I saying I want to come back to that for just can can we put a bookmark in there right right there because I want to go to
Judy at this time he comes in he's about 40 years old or a little older and he comes in with this revelation and he starts talking to you about it and how are you really feeling inside well he always wrote when we before we were married he wrote songs and after we wrote a poem for our wedding he always wrote he was always writing parts and parts of the chapters that would be hoped about ultimately would be a book and I met all versions Otis see did you understand what he was saying most my aunt and I don't have a really strong science background so
I learned a lot of science over the years I heard it enough times read it enough times that I understand it you are miraculous you are the perfect listener you listen to Paul as though you've never ever heard it before and it's wonderful because everybody in the audience looks at you and there you are just attentive and nodding and they know you if you act as his booking agent as his bookkeeper so much when he he had an editor for the book and I've also helped edit it so that between the three of us we edited the book and I kind of consider myself his
groupie like all the talks and I'm always a little different so I always enjoy listening to how he changes it and I learned a little more each time he does his own bookings for the most part but I keep track of the monetary aspect of it you know taxes things like that that's it's wonderful because she truly is your partner and that's a very exciting thing to see good as excited very we went to about your 20 years ago on Jewish marriages and I forget the Hebrew terms but there are different kinds of Jewish marriages and one of the kind is where the other person
is the other part of yourself it said that there's some marriages that are wonderful marriages but the people are very different and they're always having to make trade-offs and that you're the luckiest of all of what you find is the other aspect of yourself and your spouse and I felt we were blessed having that kind of marriage and I can't think of me without thinking of Judy she has been on the part of me that I'm not and I just can't believe might get buck a specialist I say I wasn't exposed to Jewish girls for most of my life most of my dating life and
defense Judy was then I can't imagine my good luck I still can't believe it that's so romantic yes it's very sweet it really is and you I don't know how old you were when you got married but it's pretty obvious that you reciprocate those feelings too yes I was 30 got married 35 years the dedication by my little book there start us dancing a secret guide to the miraculous yeah one reason that I wrote the book was to be able to write these words than the acknowledgment you know in addition to taking the cover photo of the author babe GB Tobolowsky contributed the book in
many otherwise she co-edited compile be announced and bibliography assisted with word selection provide a much needed wisdom and support the freedom of self publishing this book allows me to admit that I love Judy Tobolowsky and always will and so I wrote a whole book partly expressing myself but it gave me the opportunity to give thanks I have been so blessed in this life marriage devil life mate I think anybody who's watching this video will we'll have some tears and sterilized hearing that that's truly a love story is wonderful we've had we've been very blessed with our children to wonderful children now the one is getting
married and what did they do we've already told you that two of them are lawyers Oh - oh that's right I'm sorry - are the lawyers and then did anybody follow you no nobody followed now somewhere isn't the one who's getting married isn't what is getting a PhD and that's right you did tell me I'm sorry Judy have you ever done any of Hillar of your pathology your speech pathology work I worked for 10 years in Massachusetts before we got married and when I came here I worked for a year and then I retired for 20 years well we had children then I went back
part-time I guess it's about 14 years ago now so I worked for time I still do and you're still part time that's terrific what's the part of it that you like most I like working with kids I like being able to help them and it's always different every child of course every person is different and when you see some have some success it's very gratifying it's not instantaneous success that no it's it's one is long-term sometimes and you have to adjust your goals accordingly so that you see I really enjoy the challenge of it I enjoy being trying to figure out how to help good
for you to still keep your hand in because you don't want to lose all of those years of training and experience yes I did retire for 20 years but I used to keep track of all of our children's warrants when they were very young well that's that's a wonderful compromise I would say between professionalism and then moving into a professional side of raising children yes and then going back to go back that's very uh it sounds like a good way to do it too many have I was very lucky that I could do it no left unsaid thus far as Judy's also skilled pianist and
you can tell about your piano career the part she doesn't remember is her mother who was also a pianist encouraged Judy to apply said someday it would get you a husband and she was right about that but you know what I always had that was her belief and they had help there were a number of years here I guess in the early 90s that I was the pianist for the National Council of Jewish women singers and they would go to different nursing homes and different facility and I would like and then you make more friends more Frances terrific and has music continued to be part
of your lives do you do Symphony do you some time to time we do we do Symphony we do opera Paul plays a guitar all the time because I'm a terrible good wait when we dated our cheap date was she played the piano and I would sing and that was actually lots of fun and we we don't do it as much as we used to like I don't sing as well as I used to and she do you sing better than you play guitar yes I wrote about 20 to 25 songs but I wrote them must lay before I became so joyful about my there's
not the same we drive to write songs when you're really happy when I was living by myself and one room of apartments in Boston and it would be went to her feet - Timm degrees and snowing and dark at 4:00 in the afternoon that's the stuff you write song somehow she ruined my son writing career by making me happy and so I thought but I still write occasionally write a song you wrote a song have you ever recorded it well we with today's technology we can make recordings and so we have recorded my various times doing some of the songs including the one that I
brought the day our daughter was born very happy occasion so I'm very very been up all night you know it's a very happy occasion what what a wonderful challenge I have so you have not only the talent for writing books but you also are composer that's extraordinary the the melodies are simple in their lyric ribbon so it's the poetry of it I think that moves the my songs forward but I still like them and I sing in the shower guitar like you consider and you realize this this tape is going to earn you this video it's going to go to you it's going to be
on our website and it's really for children grandchildren people in the community people who are studying would you consider singing like you were in the shower just one apart a portion of one well I'm horse this morning Dave the the one that we talked about when there was one my baby child oh dream beyond believing a magic of creation eternity unfolding and so on that's a lovely that is beautiful it's beautiful Thaddius beautiful daughter has a copy of it good good we should run instead for our sons a window was lignin have stopped doesn't that's exciting now let me focus in on Paul and get
Paul to talk more about his about his book because it's obvious that he didn't have to retire he retired because he wanted to write this book so tell us about that would you well I partly are retired because I wanted to write the book Pauline but partly I retired because during was changing I think you were aware of this the I had started as a solo physician and I could set up my own schedule and I would take two hours off in the middle of the day so that if I didn't have hospital work I could go home have lunch play with the children if
I knew a patient was going to take a long time I could give them a long time and then I found myself in this more corporatized setting where people would be given 15 minute appointments and I have no control of that and it was not I still really enjoyed the people part of it and it became difficult for me the daughter would take time off from work and bring the 85 year old mother into the office and they'd have a list of 15 problems and they'd ever 15-minute appointment so the way I normally have would have given that person an hour if I had control
of my schedule so as it was the way I practice was basically becoming obsolete and not not in a scientific sense obsolete but it just didn't work out that I could spend as much time with each patient as I felt I needed to simply wasn't satisfying for you.they I would work right through lunch to catch up from how far that I'd be getting more behind this morning would go on I couldn't tell someone let's take the top two problems off you're less that I am Mike another appointment said the time become where it was really right for me to retire and so the book gave
me a project to look forward to and you know as I said once I had my breakthrough the ordinary life was miraculous then I had to do a six bar ordinary life and yet turned my ordinary life into just a playground I started looking at all the things that I used to walk past and thinking what was going on I could look at a tree now or I could look at grass and think about what's really going on and the that grass people have measured the roots that a little tuft of grass would have hundreds of miles of root structure that's going on out of
sight underground but I mostly thought about people and how amazing we all are and I had discovered that as a doctor and so as adopted the way I practiced was I realized that this person that I was dealing with was miraculous and I thought well I miraculous too so I would try with the miraculous the sense of the miraculous within me to engage the miraculous with the on by patient and then I realized it doesn't have to be a doctor-patient relationship it can be any human interaction so I started thinking of all the people that I know all the conversations that I have in interactions
that I have in terms of how miraculous this is that we're able to share the world together and speak and understand and each other and I still just look at my life as a miracle in a world the miracles and I have divided people such as yourself have been nice enough to offer maybe the chance to tell people how amazing they are I like your title of your book tell us about how that came to pass Stardust dance and refers to the fact that all the atoms that are now us were once floating around the galaxy so we literally are made of Stardust in fact
the entire Earth is these atoms that were floating in the galaxy or gathered together to form the earth so all the atoms of Earth or once floating around the galaxy siii can either think of the planet itself as Stardust dancing and the way that some of these atoms of the planet bunched together and form webbing things you can likewise think of yourself and everyone else you know as Stardust dancing the that Stardust atoms from space can become people like us who have the opportunity to appreciate what the mazing thing it is to be alive do many people get it do they are they just sort
of stunned to hear someone who's so confident so contained well you're not I wouldn't content to sort of a bland word but you who is thoroughly enjoying his life and who has written about something that should be something that we all know but it's not and have you found that people can easily accept it or what is the reaction that most full hand I think almost all the talks have been great fun I think there's a different degree of understanding in any group but for some people it's just the right talk in just the right book and so I have had people buy 15 copies
and give them as gifts and there will be other people good friends of mine saying that it really didn't understand parts of it so I think actually Judy and the editor were selected for that role because they were not science people that were smart people and had wanted them to my show that it was fun for someone who didn't understand science and as you say I'm just talking about ordinary life but if you think about what your eyes did what yours do what your heart does it's it's also seemingly impossible so improbable all these things that are everyday parts of what we do that we
so easily take for granted so I find it pretty much every talk there will be somebody there for whom it's just the right talk and I really have not had to work at booking in the sense that someone who goes to one talk will invite me to give a similar talk it in another place so at least at this point it's been self-sustaining and I hope that continues I hope certainly hope so - is there a thought of a follow-up book or a new book not really I get asked that but I think I'd keep writing the same once you realize that that's I feel
like the book was written roommate Pauline I feel like it's not as if I Paul Tobolowsky sat down had these ideas I feel like somehow these ideas were given to me and it's my role to spread this little bit to the few people that will be my audience I'm not famous I won't be a national figure like my semi famous brother who people know around the country and around the world so all my talks have been in the Dallas area to this point but it's the same being a doctor you get healed the world you just have hope that you could do the best you
can with the people who find you and there was there was someone who posted on the Internet two nights ago encouraging people they've got to buy this book and this is someone that I haven't met I hope to make them someday so I it's not like any other book or any other song it's perfect for some people I am just so grateful that I have this opportunity this life-changing experience because it's really elevated what I do before before I realized how miraculous everything was I thought in terms of diagnosis and treatments and like doctors do and I didn't think about miraculous me trying to sustain
this miracle that I have the boy the busing the opportunity to try to to sustain him in the patients that came to see me you knew you knew my most amazing one very well and I so it's changed my life and I hope to share this message as long as I can share the message I think that is truly extraordinary and it is very rare to meet someone who has successfully done what he set out to do and do it twice that is really remarkable thank you for an extraordinary interview thank you for being such a wonderful part of my life following with you you're
so important to me too and I'm very grateful that you're the one that got to do the interview and I thank you do you want to talk about that because I I don't want to cut you off if you if you would like to talk about the a story or two stories or anything or shall we leave it well I think Pauline was blessed be married dr. Leonard gravure and Leonard and I had every now and then past in the hallways in medical city hospital we didn't really know each other and one day Leonard became ill and Leonard's regular doctor was out of town and I was covering and Pauline brought Leonard in and he had what's called toxic stress syndrome and I had never seen a case up but but unfortunately only a few weeks before this the the puppeteer Jim Henson had died of toxic stress syndrome and it became something that doctors who have not previously had too much consciousness of this condition found themselves digging through the literature to read about
it so when Leonard came in with this condition I it was fresh on my mind an amazing coincidence so he wintered survived and thrived well Paul made the diagnosis and I think you had a team of you were directing a team of about 16 coming in and out and I know that the first night our son miles read the diagnosis the first night when Len was in the emergency what am I trying to say was in intensive care and and the diagnosis said patient is not supposed to it's not expected to live through the night and Paul was the man who directed the whole team
so it was quite an extraordinary event because it was so new and had nobody really knew about it so uh I I say he saved my husband's life and then and then your mom what's an equally amazing story so lucky to be a doctor see we would never amount and when we had these incredible interactions but Polling's mom was found unconscious and she was about a hundred years old at the time and I'm not exaggerating right there she wasn't here nothing that you see is and so she was brought to Medical City and she stayed unconscious for several days and she'd been unconscious when you'd
visited with her a few minutes earlier and I walk in the room and she's just talking to me she's sitting up talking and most casually and she's just fine and she has no idea that she's been unconscious for three days and what could be more amazing than that so I was aware of the miracle of all of this and I'm not using the word miracle and the way most people use it I feel like something scientific happened that helped Leonard recover and help your mother recover but I think I don't like to know anything about the cause of causes and through what means the cause
of causes burns but for a while I was a doctor through which whatever cause of causes worked to to try to sustain people's physical lives and then I became an author through which that cost of causes help me spread the word to the extent that I can that that we're all so amazing and our opportunity to plant in this amazing world that's not something we should take for granted so I've been blessed many times over by by having such a wonderful marriage and such a wonderful wife and the people I keep all named that I've had the opportunity to made if sell enrich my life
is a moment and I think that we have just heard from a man who truly has lived his beliefs and is living his release and I applaud you for that and I say here's to a really fortunate man all right thank you you