Judy Cohn
Judy Cohn was born in 1935 in Brooklyn, New York, and grew up in Manhattan Beach, living across the street from Sheepshead Bay, where the family kept a boat. She remembered World War Two vividly, including watching her father, who served as a security guard, pace by the water during an air raid, near a Coast Guard base that watched the boats coming in from the Atlantic. Her father worked for many years for Gregg Publishing Company and later ran his own business making spiral notebooks before running college bookstores at Hunter College; after his death at 54, her mother ran the Hunter store for ten years. Her mother, a Hunter College graduate and teacher, also produced Gilbert and Sullivan operettas. Her maternal grandparents came from Russia and settled in Williamsburg, where her grandfather owned a shoe store, and her paternal grandmother came from Poland.
Judy graduated from Abraham Lincoln High School in three and a half years, accompanying Neil Sedaka on piano at her graduation. She attended NYU for a year before transferring to Brooklyn College, where she earned a degree in secretarial studies. One summer she worked as a counselor at a Catskills resort called Napanoch, where she met Norman, a waiter, and the two decided to marry almost immediately. They wed in 1956 and settled in Brooklyn, later moving to New Jersey. Norman worked in merchandising and later in the children's clothing industry. While in New Jersey, Judy launched a creative business with a friend, developing planters made with colored sands and cactus, selling to stores including Bloomingdale's and Stearns. In 1974, during a recession, a job opportunity in Dallas brought the family, with three children, to Texas.
Coming from a Jewish neighborhood steeped in New York's cultural life, where she had studied piano and dance at places like Carnegie Hall's Ballet Arts and the Metropolitan Opera House, Judy found Dallas a culture shock. The family settled in Northwood Hills for the Richardson schools. Seeking something to do, she began working at the JCC preschool, eventually teaching kindergarten and serving as music specialist. She built a private piano studio, then returned to school at UTD for a degree in arts administration, completing internships with the Dallas Children's Theatre, the Dallas Opera, and the Richardson Symphony, where she became executive director and took the orchestra to a sold-out concert at the Meyerson. She later returned to the JCC as cultural programs director, and considered the Jewish Arts Festival at the Meyerson her greatest accomplishment. She and Norman raised three children and had six grandchildren, to whom she offered simple advice: be a good, giving, kind person and a good listener.
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Judy 1935 brooklyn new york all right let's let's go back what do you remember when you were I remember living in manhattan beach in brooklyn we lived across the street from sheepshead bay where we had a boat that was docked really for a while we lived in an apartment house I remember World War two my dad was not in the army but he was a I guess he was some kind of security guard and I remember looking at the window during an air raid and watching him pace by the water now we lived across the street from sheepshead bay which led into the Atlantic Ocean now at the end of Sheepshead Bay there was a Coast Guard base with with with all the Coast Guard men you know stations watching because that they were watching all of the four boats coming in from the Atlantic Ocean right and that is something that really sticks out and in my mind what you do for a living my dad worked for Greg publishing company for many years and when Greg publishing company went out of business when mr.
Greg passed away my dad had his own business manufacturing spiral notebooks eventually he was contacted by Hunter College who at that time were giving out their textbooks to the students but they decided and they decided that it was not relevant for them to run their bookstore and they were looking for somebody to contract to come in and run the bookstore and my dad and a man named newt marmon were the people that they contacted they had been in the business and they had a really good reputation many years so what happened was that my dad wound up running kinds of college bookstore downtown on 69th
straight and Newt marmon ran the one up in the Bronx and my dad ran that store you know for many years and then he passed away when he was 54 and my mother were always helped in the bookstore after my dad died Hunter's changed their policy and they decided that they were going to sell they needed to sell the books to the students not give them the books I think they were the only college in in the country that gave students their books well they decided to change the policy and when they did my mom was running the store at that point and they decided
to build a large self-service store in the CAF on the cafeteria level in Hunter College which they did and my mom ran that store for 10 years I mean it was basically her store yeah well and that was a time when women didn't really write my mom was a teacher by the way she went to Hunter College she was a hunter college Brad she also produced Gilbert and Sullivan operettas at the Henry Street settlements while she was going to college and then she graduated with a teaching degree and taught and also produced Gilbert Sullivan operettas with her class classes wow so you remember your grandparents
at all I remember my my grandmother and yeah I'm like yes my grandmother and grandfather they came here from Russia this is on my mother's side they they were in they lived in williamsburg which then was nothing like it is today today you know it's it's a really hip neighborhood where artists live and if you can't afford to live in New York you wouldnt you live in williamsburg totally different in those days they lived in an apartment on South second Street and my grandfather owns a shoe store and that was an area where you know there were push carts in the streets right at that
time do you know what they came to this country they ever tell you stories about what it was like not really what about your grandparents on the other side I only knew my grandmother who make a from Poland and I was I remember them telling me that there was a bridge named after them in pole somewhere in Poland's really what was the name was again ski do you know why it was I have no idea but there's a bridge in Poland that same for your grandpa that's what I was told so I don't know if there's an agin ski bridge somewhere in Poland but that's
what I was told what did you go to high school I went to Abraham Lincoln High School in Brooklyn and Brooklyn okay what was high school life like for you it was it was an enjoyable i graduated in and three and a half years decided to go to summer school went in to push it up to graduate faster and my college my high school senior graduate program or senior graduation I played the piano with accompanied Neil Sedaka there were a lot of very famous music people you know people in the music business that came out of Lincoln and out of Brooklyn actually so did not
as you know Neil yeah he was a friend of my brothers yeah what did you brother think when Neil Sedaka became a star I don't know my brother is a musician he took six months of bass bass lessons and then played at the Stork Club my brother also owned several college bookstores throughout the nail akerian yeah so he stayed in the family business so yeah I had another brother who was like my mascot he was 11 years younger than me and he he died when he was 18 and a car crash coming back from California he was he had finished one year of college and
it would be a horrible time it was horrible yes yeah yeah well after high school was a college was it after high school I went to NYU for a year was commuting and didn't really like the commute and I wound up transferring to Brooklyn College where I got a degree and in secretarial studies so that was a two-year program now what you did is gradually I graduated from high school and 1953 and then after and I when I got married in 56 okay after I so I got the I went that's that summer after graduation I worked in the Catskills and what did you do
there I was a counselor at nap and I country club and nappin acne arc now there was a lot of famous stars that would go play in the Catskills absolutely never see any of them um not really I mean I'm sure they must have they had comedians you know and singers there but I don't think napanoch was you know maybe the Neville II which was the hotel that was pretty close by napanoch was kind of a family hotel except for the big weekends when they would have single buses of single singles coming up so I met my husband up there because he was a waiter
and I was a counselor and so who spotted who first when I first got up there I was dating yet bellhop and then norm my husband was dating somebody started dating somebody else one day the gal that he was dating Audrey was sick and he was keeping her company and I went over there to see how she was doing and there was a they were going to do a movie at the live Michelle moving in there in the rec hall that night so Audrey said you know Sid is working the bellhop why don't you and norm go to the movie together so you know looked
at him we looked at me he said she know sure good idea what transpired was that a bunch of the waiters were going into town to the movie and so he said you want to go and I said sure so I went with him and that night we decided we were going to get married that day that night said I'm going to marry you and the next week he went home and got his fraternity pin after he served dinner got back before breakfast the next day and the rest was history but it wound up that Audrey and Audrey and Sid the guy that I was
dating and the guy that he was the gal that he was dating wound up getting married as well how'd you guys ever stay connected we stayed connected with for many years when did you guys get married we got married in 56 where the week after he graduated from the University of Vermont and then where'd you settle down and we settled in Brooklyn we lived on eastern parkway in a building right across the street from the brooklyn museum and a building that had norms dad worked for the owners of the building what did norm get into worked for Gertz department store merchandising okay and then eventually
he went to work for one of his college roommates dad's max Seigle incorporated which is a manufacturer of children's clothings children's dresses and what brought us to dallas was in 1974 when there was a recession and there were really the company that he was working for went out of business and the garment industry was pretty dead and we live we were living in New Jersey at the time big house that three children my kids were were born in new york and new jersey we needed an income and i had been in a business and I had my partners over for dinner one night and the
one of the husband said to me you know there's a job that Norm would be perfect for in Dallas and he told me about this job and the fact that the man who had the job and his wife were killed in a car crash oh boy and and that Jerry Frankel was in town interviewing to fill that position and he was due to go back to Dallas the next day and everybody knew what this guy was making which was a nice amount of money and I said well for that money out moved to Dallas and no I'm I said norm you know he was downstairs
uh speaking to some people and I said come on up here you know I said did you do know about this job he said yeah but once go to Dallas I said well for that money I'll go to Dallas and the next day I mean they set up an interview and they Jerry Frankel broughton on to Dallas and showed him around and what company was this chair Al Jarreau and what happened to the company you were working your business though I was a tennis player and one of my friends it was a tennis player her husband was in the schmatta business and he was out
of a job and she was looking for something to do every Christmas we would go to Florida we would drive and spend Christmas with my parents or snowbirds well they are well in florid I met a girl who was in a business and she was there she lived in Columbia Maryland and she was there because she was going to she was looking for places nurseries where she could get cactus and succulents for this business that she was then and I asked her to describe the business and she said that he had bosses with colored sands and they would make designs in the sand and then
plant the cactus or the succulence on top of the these you know really pretty San designs I came home and Mitzi she couldn't find anything and she really needed to I said I had learned about this business that this gal was in and maybe we could see whether anything whether there's anything like that here in New Jersey so we went to different plant nurseries and n2 florists and nobody ever heard of what we were talking about so we started making phone calls to see if there was such a thing as colored sands and we call 3m and nobody knew what we were talking about so
we decided by sand right and Diet ourselves and see if we could how to make those designs okay just play with it and then we would go to nurseries and see if they would sell to us you know so we went to this place and we bought sand and it was wet it was out in the back you know it was wet sand and we'd brought it to my house and we put it in the in the in the oven and weird right to dry it out and we then we you know we had bought some food coloring right and dyed it and then we
took the spoons and forks and different things to try to see what we could do with playing around with making designs that was one part of it then we would go to the different nurseries to see whether they would sell us and they said yeah all you need is a is a you know a number I'm tax number I guess oh that was no problem one day we got to a nursery and I noticed on the floor there was a big box and it said fish gravel so I took the number down and I called this guy and I said you know I said we're
looking for I told him exactly what we were looking for and what we wanted to do and he said well you've gone come to the right place he said any of the first ones in the Dell in the new york new jersey area too to do this he said because we're shipping to columbia maryland we got into the station where we ran down they were in Newark I mean they were or Union they were like 20 minutes away from my house and here they're shipping to her and Columbia Maryland ones and they packed the whole back of my station wagon with all different colored sands
right back in my basement the next thing we had to do was look for containers so we went into New York where they had a lot of glass manufacturers and lucite you know manufacturers showrooms and stuff and we've got them to sell us a small amount so that we could play with it and see where we would we took it back to the basement and we started playing with it then we had a market we went to bloomingdales we went to Stearns which was an allied store nearby we went through several lots of smaller you know flora sista and Bloomingdale's took an order and Stearns
took an order and we were in business I mean and and to the point where on Mother's Day we get it we hired high school kids to come in to my basement that all of this was in my basement what he was this what you was this was 1973-74 because it was right before we moved here I mean what we I wound up selling my part of the business to somebody else was that because we left was it you know did you have any trepidations about leaving that business from the dell i really didn't because you know the the greatest the greatest part about it
was the doing the research right yes and putting it together you know from scratch and the excitement of finding that sand you know and how long your partner stayed in business maybe maybe in a year and right after that you know we in fact we've been talking about possibly seeing if we could develop a do-it-yourself kit and that's exactly where it went yeah yeah after I'd I know you come to dallas from Brooklyn correct folder shuttle from New Jersey New Jersey Photoshop throwing up an absolute culture shock absolutely especially since as a child I studied piano at the Greenwich as music school in New York
with a protege of tenerife ski I studied dance at carnegie hall at ballet arts which was Agnes Tamils school it so I was so involved with the bow of that new york at the cultural aspects of what new york had to offer i studied dance for a while at the Metropolitan Opera House the old one which is no longer there and then I studied dance with a protege have Martha Graham in her in her beautiful brownstone opposite the museum of modern art and knock on the roof she had a studio coming to Dallas yeah it was really culture shock well there was nothing here I
mean I remember having to go to what we were looking for a Chinese restaurant and we had a go to northwest highway you know to find chinese food there were there was no ethnicity here right right what yours is though 74 74 okay so where did you guys settled in in dallas north dallas we settled in northwood hills north dallas we had we had some names of people jewish people who we said you know coleman what's old school them and you know find out get the lay of the land and jerel had a gal that they used as her name was elk on a real
estate agent who took care of all their Jewish clients and knew the Jewish neighborhoods and etcetera etcetera and so they put us in touch with Zell and and what was Gerald's business jerel was a women's clothing okay okay so now you guys get settled in town and how did you get involved you had your young children I had young children and and we were we were living in northwood hills and you know coming from the area where I grew up I mean even the elementary school mean I think there was one Italian maybe two Italian kids in the school everyone else was Jewish so isn't
true we were we live among the Jews yeah and here there was no such there's no Jewish neighborhood so to speak and but we wound up in northwood hills and there were some Jewish people there and we were told specifically they are because of Richardson schools we needed to be in an area where they were Richardson schools and was we want us then the kids to private school which we did not want to do and in the meantime you know I kind of felt at loose ends I mean the kids were all in school Lori was in fourth grade and the boys were in the
junior high and I was looking for something to do and I had a degree at that point in an early childhood education and I came to the JCC and they they said you know would you like to work here and I said sure in the kindergarten and I was I started working I guess three days a week and I the way I managed it was there was a tennis player and we joined Brookhaven and I also found out that there was a that the the Dallas Symphony had we're doing breakfast concerts on Friday mornings so I was able to arrange my schedule working in working
here in the preschool so that I was able to play my tennis on Tuesdays that's when the tennis tournaments were and and Fridays go to the symphony so i work monday and wednesday and thursday and then played on tuesday and friday and two until i guess that i wasn't when I remember first kind-- ago and at that point I eventually went to work full-time in the kindergarten right and was also music specialist for the priest for the whole preschool those are the days when there was a kindergarten here when they burned them and there were no kindergarten in the public schools now you also is
the executive director of the Richardson symphony oh well there's a whole story after i left the i'll tell you why i left the kindergarten because one of the teachers her daughter was taking piano lessons and she hated a teacher and she said judy she begged me will you teach her I don't want her to quit and I said well you know I really never thought privately you know piano and she said please please try so I finally gave in and I said okay we'll try and so I started teaching her and when two of the other teachers found out that I was teaching her daughter
piano they went out and bought pianos believe it or not and before I turned around I had 20 students at which point i left the preschool here and was teaching piano however that was i was doing that after 3 30 and when the kids came out of school so i was bored so i went back to school i went back to i went to utd and I got a degree in arts made an arts administration and did after I graduated from there I did a lot of several internships with the dallas children's theatre and the dallas opera and and then I did an internship at
the Richardson Symphony and I knew that the gal that was there was pregnant and was believing and I made myself very available and when she left I got the job and was there for the two years and and one of the I guess the second year I was there was the year they opened the the meyerson yeah and I took the symphony the orchestra down to the Morrison and sold out and had a 10-page waiting lists so that was it that was a big success and then you came back and then I decided to leave there and came back to the Jets cultural programs director
what do you feel was the biggest accomplishment for the biggest program that you did here at the community center probably the Jewish arts fest at the meyerson we did that for many many years and I had gone to Kansas City because they had they had done one music arts fest the music and arts fest and I went there to do the research to see you know how they put it together what exactly they did etc and came back and there's was her event and I came back here and I thought and I contacted the Cottonwood festival which is in richardson which is also an outdoor
event and I said to them put them and I and I asked them what they did in case of inclement weather and they said oh if it rains you know we we bring in bushels of hay and I got into my car and I spoke to my assistant at the time I said you know what I said I'm a city girl I'm not bringing in bushels of hey we are doing this indoors yeah and at that point i went down to be one's answered the meyerson and met with them and looked over the facility and thought you know this would be perfect and and that's
how it that's how it started do you remember when you got your first television set yeah we were living in an apartment house in Brooklyn and 40 show Boulevard and I redo remember that when we got the first syllables I also remember when we got our first washing machine the original I mean the electric washing machine because we had a big gray enamel washing machine where when the clothes were done he had to put it through a wringer and I remember getting of getting that dryer and sitting there and watching the clothes spinner right do you remember what it was like in that TV came
in the house I remember that we were very excited and we were one of the only ones we lived in an apartment house we were the only one one of the only families in the building that you know that had one so you became like one of the favorite neighbors in the absolutely you remember the TV shows you watch back then I remember ed Sullivan yeah that's the main one that I remember now in your lifetime you've lived through so many momentous occasions of course world war two and it affected your family in New York right you are a little girl of course the Kennedy
assassination something good the moon landing in 69 of course the tragedy of 911 was there something that really stood out that affected you that where you said boy I remember where I was the day that happened well I remember 911 because I remember I was getting ready to come to work and standing in the kitchen I had a TV on the counter and and when that plane crashed into the building I mean it was just you couldn't believe it it was just so unbelievable well you and Norman three kids six grandkids something tells me you're the fun grandma what what advice do you want to
leave to your grandkids in the next generation be a good person big giving person be a good listener be kind the treaty you did a great job today well thank you