Julius Wolfram
Julius Wolfram was born on July 25, 1912 in Brooklyn, New York, a block from Kings County Hospital. His father had been born in the mountains between Austria and the German speaking regions, and had been denied admission to medical school in Vienna, in part because he was Jewish. Coming to the United States, his father worked as a shipping clerk, put himself through pharmacy school, and opened drugstores in Brooklyn, Queens, and upper Manhattan. His mother was born in Philadelphia to Russian Jewish parents. Julius decided on a medical career in the ninth grade, attended Townsend Harris Hall and Columbia College, and graduated from the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University in 1936. He interned at Lincoln Hospital, did a fellowship in pathology at Mount Sinai under Dr. Paul Klemperer, and completed a residency at Montefiore Hospital.
As World War Two approached, Wolfram joined the Civilian Conservation Corps and then the Veterans Administration, serving in Tennessee and Virginia. Stationed near Newport News, Virginia, he met Ria, a lively teacher from a large local family, and they married in June 1942. He entered the Army as a physician, first at Romulus, Michigan near Detroit. There he cared for Ed Marcus, brother of Stanley Marcus, who arranged his transfer to Dallas and gave him letters of introduction to Rabbi David Lefkowitz and others. Wolfram oversaw the closing of the Love Field medical hospital and, drawn by the city's culture and people, chose to make Dallas his home. He bought a small GI house on Southwest Boulevard, where his wife and their first son later joined him.
In Dallas the Wolframs raised three sons, Michael, Steven, and Richard, all of whom attended St. Mark's School and later Harvard, Harvard, and Trinity College. The family joined Temple Emanu-El, valued Rabbi Lefkowitz, and became active in the growing postwar Jewish community, including the Columbian Club and the Jewish welfare federation. Wolfram opened a private practice, first on Fairmount Street and later near Baylor Hospital, and taught the second year physical medicine course at Southwestern Medical School alongside Dr. Tinsley Harrison. He recalled a harrowing episode when Ria nearly died of a bloodstream infection, saved only by streptomycin he obtained from a VA hospital. He kept his office open until the fall of 1990 and watched Dallas and its Jewish population flourish over the decades.
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session yes okay not autobiographical right well yeah I know I understand Wow today is April 29th 2008 my name is Rosalyn Ben jet we are here today in the home of dr. Julius Wolfram to take his oral history the interviewer will do Roslyn Ben jet and the videographer is Ruth Andrus doctor tell me about your family my wife I was married in 1942 after World War two heads started and here in Dallas no in Newport News Virginia her home I'm originally from New York City and we met down there in Virginia and we married after knowing each other a year in some months and partly and we first came down here yeah while I was in the Army as a physician I'm a station first up outside of Detroit Michigan their place which is now the Wayne County
Airport and one afternoon I got a call from the adjutant you're being transferred down to the comperable post in Dallas Texas and I would like to help you get settled down there give you some letters of introduction his name was Ed Marcus he was Stanley Marcus's brother he had been ill with pneumonia I think it was and I took care of him in the hospital at the airfield of there and he gave us that as an introduction to Rabbi Lefkowitz his son was stationed here we established our first home before 1946 Southwest Boulevard and we have three sons two of whom were born here the
oldest was born in Newport News Virginia okay before we go ahead let's go back for a while about your parents where were they they were living in New York when you were born yes my father had been born in Austria going down to Vienna to go to school to go to college and hopefully medical school and he was denied admission because basically because he was Jewish but legally because he didn't have the requisite papers he had been born up in the mountains between Austria and what was the German could called La Linea mm-hmm sedate nod pardon me and his father had gone down to Vienna
in the middle of the 19th century and when when so many other young men congregated in Vienna and trying to establish a democratic government and the opera's Prime Minister was very rigid very that was the reason that so many of them emigrated to the United States and ambushing Collinson Milwaukee Minneapolis st. Louis and South Texas and my grandfather chose to go back into the mountains and my mother was born in Philadelphia of Russian Jewish parents and she and my father met when he came to United States and worked in New York City he worked as a shipping clerk in a department store and learn language that way that worked him spit put himself through pharmacy school I think she went to get some and then opened up the drugstore in Brooklyn New York and I was born a block away from that gross store between Kings County up halfway between Kings County Hospital and Prospect Park hmm and then
and then he moved his store out to Richmond Hill in Queens we followed some damn this is all taking isn't it I went to start in elementary school there and we lived in a two-story house and I remember Lee's death I suppose I remember going to the Armistice Day parade oh thank you very much the Main Street in Richmond Hill when World War one ended when he moved to New York City he established a drugstore corner of 140 4th Street and Amsterdam Avenue and upper Manhattan I ran that for a while and we lived up in upstairs in the apartment house and then he moved
his store over 200 and 42nd Street a hundred 48th Street and I am stir damn you're right across the street from City College and we lived in an apartment house block and a half away mm-hmm and where did you go to school and my high school was Townsend Harris Hall which was on the campus of the City College of New York mm-hmm it was a three year school and you had to get in by yeah and you had to be admitted by I don't remember special examination or recommendation but it was not part of the Board of Education of New York it was a separate
entity for no hire or the council or something rather of higher education which included the City College of New York and Hunter College and I graduated from there in the usual three years and instead of the four years in the regular high schools and I was admitted to Columbia College of the University of over the Columbia University or that graduated them there for years and what did you study in college I took the usual pre-medical courses and also so you were already interested in medicine I was in true I became industry of medicine in the ninth grade now let me see how about that happen
when we first started doing some dissection no frogs or something like that having biology mm-hmm and I'm sure that my father's history and interest and his profession influenced me my father I remember that my mother wanted me to become a dentist because she said they have an easier life and they make a lot of money but I was an interested in dentistry and I did fairly well in college and then went to medical school also fairly close to our home we lived in the same apartment house that we lived in while I was in high school because there was only a block and a half
or two blocks away from school and he used to walk up to or I could get the subway up 268th Street and Broadway where the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University was located and I had my four year graduation there and interned in a place called Lincoln Hospital in South East Bronx and that was of interest particularly because it was also a school for african-american nurses that had been established soon after the end of the Civil War but the hospital grew up and it was a meta as a municipal hospital very busy and after the Germany at the end of my internship my
two-year internship that was what was usual at that time I worked for a year as a fellow in pathology at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York where I had the pleasure of working under and meeting the great dr. Paul Kleber one of the outstanding pathologists in that part of the in that part in that time and what year would this have been approximate I graduated from medical school in 1942 so this was a few no no 19min correction graduated from medical school in 1936 1942 was the year of my book marriage in 1936 and of course the troubles with the Nazis in Germany had already started and dr.
Klemperer used to disappear from the hospital from the laboratory so many days and we learned with those of us who worked there learned that he had been going down to the docks in New York City and welcoming and vouching for Austrian and German physicians and other scientists because of that time you could not get into the United States from one of the Central European countries unless someone would vouch and state that you had not become a financial burden and here all of these things arranged he was a great man he was a humanitarian as well as a great physician now Mount Sinai there was a
Jewish hospital around Sinai was a Jewish Hospital yes what was it like being a Jewish doctor in those days when not all hospitals accepted Jewish doctors on their staff well that's a little bit of a fairy tale is it yes there were of course Sinai mm-hmm there was no problem better right but in the Lennox Hill Hospital in New York City an excellent hospital this had also been established by German Jews earlier and there was no problem whatsoever and some famous surgeons had worked there one of the early thoracic surgeons established the department of thoracic surgery there and there was another Jewish Hospital downtown Beth
Israel I'm not sure I'm not sure the name anymore and there was a Brooklyn Jewish Hospital but there was certainly there were Jewish physicians on the staff a Presbyterian Hospital which was the hospital for my medical school for the Columbia Medical School on the staff and on the faculty and also practitioners about hmm about perhaps 20% of my medical school class was Jewish and there was no question about discrimination at least these people were just ordinary guys who applied I didn't have any poll or anything like that we were just accepted I don't know how it was elsewhere but to jump ahead well he came
down here to Dallas I found that in time perhaps not at the initial time that the chief of ear nose and throat at Baylor Hospital was a well-known Jewish physician Lyle sellers and he did great things for Baylor Hospital let's go back to Jewish affiliations during your childhood how did your family celebrate Jewish holidays well mostly a negative sense the things they didn't do we didn't have Christmas tree and we didn't celebrate Christmas or Easter we bought Christmas presents and I was I had a Bar Mitzvah and I reformed Jewish congregation on the Upper West Side of Manhattan but I must admit after I was
through with bar met my bar mitzvah I didn't have much Jewish activity really at all until I met my future wife and started attending services in their conservative congregation in Newport News and she was from Newport News Newport News Virginia mm-hmm her family had been there for quite a few years and she had a big family there was many many I think at one time she had 30 or 40 first cousins all living in Newport News Virginia to jump how did you meet to jump back yes I will do that when I got through with my internship doctor Clara said he would try to get
me he would get me a position in doing research with one of the other people in Mount Sinai Hospital when I was in medical school I had done a little bit of research on the adrenal cortex gland extract and anaphylactic shock in guinea pigs I wrote a paper which was published after my internship and after I got through with the residency the fellowship rather at Mount Zion height I had a two year residency in internal medicine and modifier hospital in the Bronx Montefiore is an Italian translation of Goldberg and it was called Montefiore because it had been established through the philanthropy of Sir Moses Montefiore
of England and it became known as they just hospital for chronic diseases it was an opportunity for intense study of any particular subject of any and every person who was admitted to the hospital and there was some famous physicians on the staff but at the same time was easygoing it was pleasant there were tennis courts on the grounds and it was pretty routine after the evening meal to go out and play tennis of the appropriate time of the year and there was the midnight suppers being served also and we act quarters there we lived on the and the hospital grounds and it was obvious at
that time that the war was coming on World War two my father had become ill while I was in medical school and with kidney involvement and I was looking for something to do they would keep me fairly close to home because I didn't know what my father's illness would do to him eventually and I wanted to be fairly near to my mother so I investigated group practices in the neighbourhood of New York City and found one down in New Jersey and bound for New Jersey and I interviewed with them and however I wasn't entirely taken with that group and I applied for a position with
the Veterans Administration how small system because I knew that there was fairly study steady under that I'd be paid something it was probably going to be necessary to support my mother because I didn't know how long my father was gonna live and they first they had they gave me an assignment in Hampton Virginia but it was going to start for about six months so in the interval I apply for and received a position in the Civilian Conservation Corps one of President Roosevelt's babies and this was to help you with help young men do some worthwhile work and keep them out of trouble and so they
sent me down to Chattanooga Tennessee to get oriented to the life of the Civilian Conservation Corps it was my first trip outside of New York down in the south of south of New York City south of Philadelphia actually and after a short time there they stationed me up in East Tennessee somewhere near Johnson City I was there for a while and what were your duties there no so camp physician I took care of the young man mostly giving giving in typhoid shots and keeping them out of trouble and treating Mona nucleosis and respiratory infections minor stuff and that didn't look like anything physically exciting then
they sent me down to my life my Veterans Administration position became established and they sent me first to Pittsburgh Pennsylvania to get oriented to the VA system and then to the hospital in kiku-chan Virginia which was right near the city of Hampton and the city of Newport News and it was there at a young Jewish women's organization party and I met my wife Maria wolfram and she was a lively young lady a teacher a terrific dancer and very active in the entertainment of the young men who were stationed of the military establishments nearby because that was part of the thing to do at that time
I became how I should say almost integrated into her family I took frequent trips between the VA hospital and her home coming back at midnight on the trolley car eventually she suggested that we Li buy a car and she got one for me through one of her friends and actually she taught me to drive I was very well satisfied that this was the girl I was going to marry after a very few dates and I think that perhaps she decided that also and we didn't really decide on a wedding date at that time one of the things I remember that we did together we drove
up to Richmond Virginia to see a Metropolitan Opera performance of La Belle Haven the first opera that she had seen and of course it's everybody's favorite it's still her favorite of mine and then she also drove me up had a later date to Richmond to take the train up to New York because I've received a call from my brother that my father was dying I want to get up there in a hurry and I got up to tour the apartment just in time to see him dying went back to Newport News and said what can we do now well this is this changes of the
situation and I remember my father Lord telling me that one does not put off happy events because of a sale event and so we got married in June June of 1942 and we honeymoons very briefly up at the Williamsburg in Williamsburg Virginia historic area and then we went up to bound baroque where I had joined that group that I mentioned earlier it was not a particularly desirable position I thought but again I thought it would keep me new in here in New York City and my widowed mother for a while before getting into the services I thoroughly expected to we lived in an apartment there
and rather enjoyed it an interesting sidelight my wife got a job with the government at a location somewhere east of where we live south and east of where we lived and she had to and thought what one of her duties was to be a courier taking material up to some place in New York City about the Manhattan Project no because of course the Manhattan Project she was going off to Manhattan that seemed long we never got never never gave that another thought but I decided I wasn't gonna stay down there in New Jersey very long I wasn't very happy with it and I knew I
was gonna get into the army I didn't want to be drafted so I volunteered we spent a few happy days in New York City I remember that we saw Man of La Mancha the great musical show about Don Quixote down in down to Greenwich Village and then I received my assignment and they sent me up to an airfield an Army Air Corps post called Romulus Michigan outside of Detroit and it was there and I took care of I did mention ed Marcus already did I not they took care of him in the hospital and he called me up one day to tell me about being
transferred down to Dallas and I remember I called up my wife who is working at the Judge Advocate General School in Ann Arbor Michigan where we lived and told her about Dallas she's oh no mean Eamonn Marcus Neiman Marcus which didn't mean a thing to me except I knew that that was owned by the family of Edie Marcus whom I had met it was the adjutant I'm getting rather completely biographical on how mm-hmm history so you arrived in Dallas in 1946 you said so we received this assignment to come down to Dallas we live in an apartment for a while and I worked at Love
Field which was in an Army Air Corps opposed and then Along Came VE Day the day of victory in Europe and everything changed the orientation was for Japan I was transferred from this post down here to the School of Tropical Medicine in Washington DC and Walter Reed Hospital had a wonderful experience down there learned a lot and I asked where I was going to be sent after that and I thought I was going to the South Pacific having learned tropical diseases but they transferred me back up to Romulus Army Airport again and we again lived in Ann Arbor Michigan my wife was having some problems
with dental infection and also urinary tract infection and they said that she oughta go back to live with her parents in New York City because you couldn't guarantee that she was going to be taken care of because of infection we had so little to treat with at that time so she went back up to New York set up to Newport News Virginia to live with her parents for a while while she was an orphan her first pregnancy and I stayed up there at the Army Air Corps post then I in November 1945 I got a call from my mother-in-law while I was in the Army
Erica and the medical barracks they're saying readjust gave birth to a beautiful little boy and that was November 1945 so of course I raced down there pretty soon for the bris I'm not sure I made it for the bris but anyway I got down there and then I went back and the war was wearing down I think VJ Day occurred while I was back up there and they wanted to keep all of the doctors aloof MBA and the army so they said well would you like you gonna you can't get out yet but well would you like to be transferred to next so I said
Dallas Texas there was a veteran group down here that have been third ferrying group up and out up outside of Detroit so I came down here and presided over the closing of the hospital F Medical Corps Hospital of Love Field and riah came down I'm not sure of the timing of all of this now but again she became pregnant rather no the first time was this this first pregnancy and she went back up to Virginia to live with her parents for a while because again my status was not definite when I got out of the army I made arrangements to buy a little house a
so called GI house on Morningside no I forget oh good lord I forget the street in southwestern Boulevard which was where pardon was that University Park at that time no this was north of University Park it was just west of the Cotton Belt cotton belt railroad hmm and I remember my wife Maria flew down here from Newport News Virginia and her plane had to return to Washington Airport twice so that she was expected down here early in the afternoon but she arrived around 10:00 p.m. or so at night that was when I first saw on my first son standing up a little ten-month-old baby standing up next to his mother while she telephoned her mother to say that the cheetah arrived always miss Dallas like at that time Dallas ended it as Lovers Lane there really wasn't much north of that except for very few big homes belonging to among others prominent Jewish people who were most of whom were associated with the Pollock Paper Company we became acquainted with a number of people and were invited to Colombian court to join the Colombian club and to go out and visit there I was
a social club that was then held on garland Road and we were also invited to join outings in this group of homes in the northern part of the city north of Northwest Highway they're owned by Jewish people so we've made many friends there originally when we're stationed down here when I was stationed down here we attended High Holy services High Holy Day services at Congregation share with Israel which was then down on somewhere south of the main part of town and that's when we know let me let me review and go back I had received letters of introduction from adjutant ed Marcus when I was
transferring down here the first time introducing me letters of introduction to Rabbi David Lefkowitz his son and his family and also to several members of the staff of the Neiman Marcus tour when we did come back and live my wife became very ill with lower urinary tract infections and also a kidney stones and uremia and a bloodstream infection and at one time she was not expected to live penicillin was available but it was not available to civilian patients and I remember very well standing outside her room and the doctors taken care of her saying she has a bloodstream infection does a Wolfram know how bad
it is the other thing yes of course he does and we were talking about what possibly could be done to save her life a new drug had just been had just come into view streptomycin and it was thought to have the potential for controlling the kind of infection of blood stream infection that she had which were surely would have killed her we called the drugstores the doctors called the drugstores and I call the drugs towers around town nobody had it it was available only to military personnel up at the VA hospital in McKinney Texas and also the other VA hospital in downtown Dallas way of
course no way across Oak Cliff desperately we called there I guess I must have sounded very pitiful and the officer later hit a doctor down there said when we asked him yes he could give us streptomycin so I raced down there across town I don't know how I managed to find the VA hospital but came back up with the streptomycin her fever came down the bloodstream infection was controlled but she was still ill and weak we lived in that little house on on southwestern Boulevard there was big quit there was great question as to whether or not she could become president pregnant again because of
the urinary tract infections that she continued to have but a new drug came on the market self a fella Dean and the urologist who had helped to take care of her said that if she took that for several months and she managed to do fairly well that it would be safe to try it for another pregnancy our second son was born here in Dallas at the Florence Nightingale Hospital which was a little maternity hospital on the campus of the belly University Center and I remember he was borned and we came home and we enclosed the little porch on the side and that two-bedroom house that
we had on wet southwestern Boulevard to make it nursery and a bedroom for him mother-in-law came down and visited she was ill very ill with rheumatic heart disease and diabetes and she never took care of herself and when when she was at the point of death I remember that one of the members of the family called and said comment see what you can do maybe you can do something more than and she was in the hospital and I remember she died a few days after I was there and sometime after that my wife returned to Newport News to take care of her father who was
also ill with diabetes and I was getting weaker I stayed here opened my practice so you ended when I was in love when I was in love we first came down here in the young station of the army I met several Jewish physicians and one of them was an internist and he learned that I was interested in teheran medicine he said come to medical Grand Rounds we have medical Grand Rounds of the different hospitals on Sunday mornings it was then that I met doctor Tinsley Harrison who was the professor of medicine and Dean of the medical school the new Medical School which had just been
started there had been a Baylor Medical College here stationed at Baylor Hospital but that moved down to Houston and the new Southwestern Medical Foundation Medical School was established in the old Parkland Hospital and in army barracks that are on the grounds I don't really know why they were there and when I met dr. Harrison and he called me by name by first name having known me when I was in my second year of residency up at Montefiore in New York I was hooked on hunt on Dallas and we had enjoyed Dallas when we were here and we learned that had a symphony orchestra during peace times it had a public library it had an art museum and there were various other cultural activities and we liked the people we met and we decided we were going to live here and that's how it came about but I asked to be transferred back here and I bought that little house on Southwest
Boulevard and my wife Rhea came down to join me when our son Michael was 10 months old I'm repeating myself I know now and your children then grew up oh no children I grew up in Dallas they what we joined sample Emanuel well we greatly appreciated rabbi Lefkowitz and then how do you think the city has changed since then the population of course has increased greatly and the Jewish population also increased greatly after World War two it was a mixed group that came down people from the New York area people from the Middle Chicago with Minneapolis and Cleveland and it was we became acquainted with
the man who was the what was he famous I forget the name but he was the director of the Jewish Federation the Jewish welfare federation of Dallas and of course I made a contribution of that Herman while I was still in the Army when I knew I was going to live here and also we knew several other people who are active in Jewish social welfare activities got to be very close for the number of them okay and you went into private practice well I did I did mention that I had been stationed at Love Field yes and while I was there several Jewish physicians in
town warned that I was there that I was interested in going into practice and they had an office on Fairmount Street downtown little building and they offered me a space I said if I wanted to go to practice they had room of their for me and I did accepted the offer and practiced there for I forget several years I think and then I moved over to the section your barrel a hospital we're Dardenne for stalling where officers had been built and I took an office nearby there near be a hospital I'll remember I read I remember looking out of the back window that office one
night and watching a tornado come straight up in Wood Road from Oak Cliff fairly near to our house by that time our a our oldest son was about 10 or 11 years old and he was playing at sunrise house not far from where we were living and I had the horrors I drove home and picked him up but he was safe I didn't mention him I've been I've skipped a good deal after we lived in that little house on Southwest Boulevard we looked not the home because it was getting too small much too tight for us and we bought a house on edlin Road which
was north of Northwest Highway and one you know the music incident about that and it's relevant Maria's relatives in New York and Virginia rather were dog lovers and they sent us when we first moved in about southwestern Boulevard a beautiful little white and sand puppy and she grew up with our boys our third son Richard was also born in Florence Nightingale Hospital I'll never forget I didn't witness his delivery there because I was over in the main hospital pulling fluid out of a woman's chest doing a chest aspiration is necessary for an elderly lady who was very short of breath because of the fluid and
I remember after got her straightened out I raced back over and reah was very apprehensive about vision because her older brother Jesse had been born blind so she was also always concerned with all three children is the vision all right and it was obvious that they followed hands appropriately they they looked and they saw so that was great No um all three children went to religious school at Temple emanu-el we had moved into the house up on Edlund Road after a few years - the one on Southwest at Boulevard and are you still practicing today or are you doing research at my office open until
the fall of 1990 mm-hmm and practice Baylor hospital almost until that time and I was asked in my second year here when I've been after having been an instructor at the Southwestern Medical School over and that was barek like buildings near Parkland Hospital I was asked to teach the second year course in physical medicine at the medical school physical medicine is listening looking hearing touching and so on the second year course and I gave the lectures there the Faculty of that time consisted only dr. Tinsley Harrison the man I had mentioned before and a well known researcher hearthat Rowland originally from Hopkins Medical School that was the reason that I was asked to give that second year of course very soon thereafter the faculty increased and my connection with the medical school just became that of an instructor seeing people in the clinic mm-hmm tell me about your family today your sons all live in Dallas no I've been concentrating on me haven't I and my oldest son we lived up on headland roads which I said was north of Northwest Highway boy I forgot to mention I mentioned the dog that was sent
to us when we moved from southwestern Boulevard to to inland road we took the dog with us of course and when we got up in the morning she wasn't there we drove around looking for it went back to the old house on Southwest Boulevard sure enough she had found her way back there so we brought her up to Ashland Road and she never wanted away again she was a beautiful dog and really the children all grew up with her dog with with their dog with and we forgot to ask what year you were born pardon what year were you born I'm sorry what year were
you born I was born in July 25th 1912 in New York do you have grandchildren no well yes of course I have grandchildren like no you know came that article automatically I was thinking of males since all my children were males but a first son married and he married a girl from no they were jumping and heading myself again our children went started in school and in grade school at the Pershing elementary school which was a new school with a wonderful new principal and if it was just like having them in private school there was so much attention given to them we got to know
all the members of the PTA mm-hmm and we took an active role in what was happening at the school and when our oldest son entered junior high school he went to the one over on Hillcrest Road right near the new Hillcrest High School and he was pretty good in school and when the teacher gave an assignment and asked about coronary thrombosis and said that was a stroke my son Mike token said no no no my father's a an internist an audiologist and that's a heart attack cerebral how many cardiod coronary thrombosis and a heart attack my teacher said well on my class that's gonna be
a stroke my son came back home and told me about that and we laughed and we thought I was so ridiculous and meanwhile we had been thinking about he's going to st. Mark's school and that was the finish and finishing touches so he entered st. Mark's school private school and I don't remember what grade he entered in he entered as a as a freshman in high school pretty soon my second son Steven who's been going to elementary school approaching elementary school was told by his teacher there you ought not to go to the high school in Hillcrest High School you ought to go to st.
Mark's so eventually all three of our sons eventually Richard also went to st. Mark's at a younger grade Mike was admitted to the oldest son was admitted to Harvard when the admissions officer at Harbor came down to visit st. Mark's nowadays you have to go through all sorts of application forms and so on to get into college he was admitted to college when the additions officer for Harvard walked across the campus with my son with Mike and the headmaster and the headmaster said here's our best merchandise for all of it and he said I agree he took him and he started in then he wanted to become a doctor but he decided that it was too much he didn't want to spend so much time in the laboratory he want to be with people so he changed to become a law student and while he was
up there at summer school he met his future wife who is from whorfin Massachusetts right near Harvard Steve went to Harvard and then Richard went to Trinity College in Hartford Connecticut so we've had our connection with the Northeast all along but they all came back to live in Dallas no no no no none of them came back to live they all think that their home is Dallas but Michael the oldest now lives out in California Steve the second one married and had three and had four children now lives in Paris and Richard the youngest is also married now lives up an old when it's Connecticut
there are all lawyers they all thought about becoming physicians thought very seriously I believe it's okay