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June 19 five Pittsburgh Pennsylvania let's go back to when you were a little girl what do you remember I've remembered growing up in Wichita Falls Texas okay so you had moved when you're young we moved to Texas when I was three years old my father had graduated from the University of Pittsburgh as I guess a petroleum engineer and he went to work for a company called van mix oil company out of Pittsburgh my mother also graduated from Pittsburgh University and so we came to Texas that was at the time that they brought in the first big oil field in Wichita Falls your grandparents do you
remember them at all my mother had her mother and she lived with us for a short time but I don't remember at what stage at a time and also she had a maiden aunt or maiden sister I should say that lived with us and what she'll Falls you know at all what your grandfather's did for a living even though you didn't know him did you ever hear what they did I suspect that he was a rabbi but I'm not sure and what about your grandfather on your dad's side my father of my dad's side was a very wealthy man he lived came from Dora hoi
Rumania mm-hmm and he had tavern or an N or something and my father and all of his brothers and sisters were highly educated my father had gone to the Sorbonne in France as a math student before he came to the United States all educated so your dad was born in Europe Romania okay no he may not have been he may have grown up and or hard to me Romania I think sort of remember hearing about I don't know whether it was my mother's side or not somebody came from that Netherlands at one time it was my mother's family also came from door hurry Romania and
her mother maybe it was my mother's mother of mothers families there was somebody that was Spanish a Dutch that had come from Spain to Holland and then had come to Romania now does your dad ever tell you why he came to the United States he came to the University of Pittsburgh as a student okay and to learn about the oil business because at that time in Romania they had brought in that tremendous oil field and so he was a math genius he and one other man from Dora Hawaii are that from school came to the University of Pittsburgh to learn about engineering now was his
intent to go back it was his family's intent to go back and he met hit my mother who lived in Pittsburgh and they were married and that was the end of that his father never really never forgave it until the second world why do you say until the second world war well he didn't go back home he was in contact with his family but his father wouldn't talk to him because he didn't come back home and what was it about the war that changed that I don't know I can tell you that he had my father had a brother that was a lawyer and lived
in France he had a sister that was a pharmacist who ended up in Argentina he had another sister that I'm supposed to have looked like but I never met and then his father had remarried and had a second family two other children one was a son that ended up in Israel and one was a daughter and I think she also Linda ended up in Argentina when we took a trip to South America once I tried to get in touch with them and a son of the mother came to the hotel to meet me and said his mother couldn't come but that I looked like her
and that was it that was our association let's come back to Texas now you're a little girl what do you remember doing for fun when you're just little we went to kindergarten quite early and I started school before I was six mm-hmm I remember that we had just had a good life I guess my father was very active in Wichita Falls and he became pokeman Tiger to the shrine which I think must have been very unusual and I do remember it we went to national conventions which we were excited one was in Detroit and one was in California at the same time a movie star
by the name of Harold Lloyd was potentate of the shrine in California and my father and Harold Lloyd became friends at that time I do remember that my father also greeted President Roosevelt who came through Wichita Falls as a representative of the shrine in Wichita Falls how old were you at that time I must have been 10 or under somewhere in that vicinity your brother Sam older younger than you Sanford he's three years younger than I am now where did you go to grammar school in which show Falls now when you were just a small child the Great Depression we had a tough time but
we managed and my father at that time was no longer working for Van Dyke's oil company when he came to Wichita Falls he was with them for a while and then I don't know what he did then he went into business for himself yeah did they ever discuss the depression time with you I know it was difficult in high school where did you go to high school which I'll follow senior high school there was only one high school all right tell me about high school life for you well I graduated when I was fifteen then when I came to Dallas before I met jack I
stayed with Regina and Lee Pierce on Forest Avenue leave Pierce worked in the oil business and my father was a big shot at Wichita Falls really and any Jewish person that came into town or checked into the hotel they called my father and notified him and he would invite them to our home so he became friends with a lot of people in the state of Texas my father was also instrumental in forming something at the University of Texas for Jewish students and I went to the University of Texas as a freshman I did not like it the reason I didn't like it is that I
had been very active and participated in a lot of Gentile things I was member of a Gentile sorority I was one of the futures and probably the only Jewish person that was a member of the shortie and when I got to Texas University the people that I had I lived at SRD and the people that I had been friendly with it was like you were segregated at SRD the Jewish people able to choose people and the Gentile people a with Gentile people and my friends that I was friendly with well we couldn't do things together until we came home at Thanksgiving it was it was
a sad situation and I was very unhappy so I couldn't wait to transfer schools now when you're a young woman also world war ii broke out yeah my husband was in the service now has you met your husband before the war I met him on a blind date here in Dallas okay and when was that it was a summer before I went to college he was a senior at the University of Pennsylvania and I was just going into my freshman year at Texas and how did you meet him I met him on a blind date and so what did you think when you saw him
I thought he was snippy and he put me on the bus to go back to Wichita Falls and was full of servicemen I was going to flirt and he gave me an ice cream cone and here I'm holding two ice cream cones and good into it adult onset how long did you guys date before you got married to get married before he went to war no it was all long-distance I he finished school and went in the Navy and I went to transferred and went to a higher State University where I graduated through okay so he's in the Navy you went to Ohio State graduated
no so afterwards did you go and get a job then no we got married while he was still in the service at the tail end of the war I'm came to Dallas jack at the time was not my husband he was in the Navy and his parents had a party to introduce me to his family the mother came with her sisters to this country in 1890 her father was Philip Aaron oov who at they lived in South Dallas the father was a shoe salesman he traveled on the road selling Saxons shoes the shoes were named were had boxes that were had his name on it
and he traveled in the valley I think he came to this country when he was a young man and stopped in many olla before he came to Dallas and he was also related to the Siegel family which in turn was related to the Toby and family from what I understand the Toby and family came from the same shuttle in Russia that they that Jack's mother's family they are and our family came from all right tell me about your mother-in-law that she was founder of Edessa here in Dallas her name was Becky Sachs a Rebecca Saxe she had a large family she had two brothers who
had the first picture show in Della's his name was Joey her enough she also had a brother Barney Aaron Auer who sold shoes and was well-to-do another sister was married Nathan and she was secretary to the president athlete valses hotel the war I guess was almost over or maybe over right at the time that we got married okay now did he go overseas at all or no yes he was overseas here was he and Mauro tie he was a PT boat commander okay skipper okay and then he comes back you guys are married and where do you settle down we well first he was in
the service and we went they sent us to Boston where he was not supposed to have gone and then we ended up in New Orleans and we lived in New Orleans for three months and then he he was stationed at the standard I think the standard building in New Orleans he was phased out of the Navy and we moved back to Dallas okay what business did he get into then his first job was at Sears Roebuck he was graduated in absentia from University of Pennsylvania what career did he get into in Dallas he ended up being in real estate he was at Sears did not
like it and went out into business for himself your husband was involved in development real in real estate and he and his brother bought a piece of property on Cedar Springs right that later turned into the gay community right and his tenants were the gay people they loved him they there was a nightclub there and I don't know four or five other businesses and they thought he was just the greatest landlord they could imagine his tenants were members of the gay community and he donated space for them to have their meetings and he gave them funds so that they would not starve he was just
a good person for to help them did you go to work or did you stay home to raise the family I stayed home and raised a family before you met Jack you were dating a famous painter well I was dating a lot of men that were Ohio State I was quite popular tell me about the famous painter that what was his name Lloyd let's just eat okay and what happened he was just not my choice where'd you guys settle down in Dallas we when we moved back to Dallas it was impossible to find a place to live and we lived at 1313 North Prairie with
my brother-in-law now were you involved with the Jewish community at all at one time secretary of the sisterhood of temple Emmanuel and I did a lot of volunteer work for the council they had stores I places where we sold clothes and things like that and I did do that but I taught also taught Sunday School and you were involved with the Historical Society yes it was it was started by Ruth Andrus what did you do for the Historical Society yeah I just participated okay what's the happiest time in your life being married and having nice children in your lifetime there's been so many advancements in
technology and whatnot it's something come along that you said Wow how do we ever get along without that you probably remember the Iceman coming I do you know before refrigeration I do in not only the Amana bakery man used to come to milk man Tennessee dairy I think what was the music you used to like when you were a kid well I played the piano and I didn't like to practice but I must have been good like everybody told me it was good but I didn't enjoy practicing yeah but was some of the music you listen to probably the musicals in your lifetime you've lived
through so many momentous occasions personal world war to the Kennedy assassination here in Dallas something good for the first time the moon landing in 1969 tragedy of 9/11 of course was there something on the national scene that you know exactly where you were the day had happened you remember when mr. Kennedy came to Dallas I was standing on loma alto just below the shilova after shopping center to watch him go by and did you see him go by and again and then how did you hear that he had been assassinated I left there got in my car to go home and heard it on the radio are you shocked or anything well that he was shot yes it affect you at all that weekend I was very sad you and Jack have three children five grandkids and four great grandkids yes what advice does great-grandma have for the next generation I'm scared to death for them I think the situation in the world is very sad it scares me I just like the fact that of course the whole world always blames it on the Jewish people and I feel like we may be getting into another situation as a result of that and that's I think things will not be as pleasant or is wonderful for them as it was for us he did a great job today thanks for doing this you