Karen Glanger
Karen was born in 1949 in Pretoria, South Africa, and grew up in what she remembered as a warm, family-centered world of Sunday lunches, Friday night dinners, and street games like hopscotch. Her father, Phillip, ran a grocery store before joining a large retailer when supermarkets arrived, and her mother was a gifted artist and writer who exhibited her work and later designed and hung wallpaper for many parliament members. Her maternal grandparents fled the Poland-Russia border region for South Africa in the mid-1930s, arriving on one of the last boats before the war. Her mother's family carried powerful Holocaust memories, including an uncle who joined the partisan movement in the forest after his family was murdered.
After Karen finished high school, her family moved to Johannesburg, where her mother worked as a designer at a relative's jewelry manufacturing company and Karen attended business school, studying accounting, economics, and mercantile law. She reconnected with Trevor Glanger, her childhood next-door neighbor from Pretoria, and they married in Johannesburg around 1970, spending their first year in Cape Town. Trevor was deeply entrepreneurial, securing South African distributorships for electronics from Japan, and Karen ran the accounting, books, and warehouse. Their children, Gary and Terry, were born in the early 1970s. Urged by Karen's mother, who feared apartheid's future, the couple left in December 1976 to explore America.
Through a chain of introductions that began with a call to a JCC, the Glangers were led to London backers who helped them launch an electronics distributorship, and they chose Dallas for its ease and Jewish community. Karen followed with their two small children, and the family opened Video Land on Preston, one of the earliest video rental stores, with Karen buying the movies and Trevor marketing brilliantly. Their longtime accountant and dear friend Tony Abrams became Trevor's partner. Karen eventually brought her mother and much of her family to Dallas, cherishing large family holidays. Involved with charities, Beth Torah, and Rabbi Block, she reflected warmly on the freedom of America and her hopes for future generations.
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Karen 1949 petrolia South Africa Pretoria any rot okay let's go back tell me what do you remember when you're just a little girl growing up well I had a marvelous family I had left a wonderful life in Pretoria that graduated from high school there and then my family moved to Johannesburg okay let's let's let's take when you were a little now what did you do for fun for friend it was a different era for fun we used to play hopscotch in the street we wave to school bus we we had a lovely family outings boys used to have Sunday lunches with the whole family cousins
uncles aunts it was really a family time in South Africa we never used to work on Saturdays because everything was closed back then and of course the whole family ate dinner together every night and Lakhia and I just say that our memories of my grandmother my grandfather the whole family just having Friday night was amazing it was a wonderful way to grow up tell me about your dad what'd he do Phillip my dad had a grocery store in the early early days before there were supermarkets and eventually when the supermarket's came along there were no more little grocery stores so he went to work for
one of the huge stores and that's what he did okay and your mom was she said oh mama mama mama was an amazing artist she was at she was a very black woman she was a very talented she wrote beautifully she painted amazingly she exhibited a lot of her work and after my dad's business had to close down she went to work in a wallpaper place where they did wallpaper and she actually wallpapered and did the design for most of the parliament members so she ran the whole show another water wallpaper which in those days was very very big you know so it was great
she worked and she played and she ain't it tell me what your grandparents did my Zeta and my granny came to South Africa from Poland Poland Russia border a little place in nineteen think it was 36 probably 1936 we were trying to get out my grandfather came to South Africa actually first before my grandmother from from élevage and he started a Furniture Factory and my granny wouldn't leave her mother and her rest of her family behind she was too hard for her and so eventually and to send for her so eventually he said look I can't live here in South Africa if you're going to
stay there and he went back to Poland and things got really bad and he convinced my granny and my mother grandpa you know to come back to South Africa so they basically were on one of the last boats to go back and my mom always told me her last memory of her grandparents they were very close we're going to the station and her grandmother and grandfather just running behind the horse and the car that took them there with just tears running down their eyes and she and they never saw them again yeah so they knew the problems are your problems they knew very well and
that's actually ma granny had two brothers and my granny and then here the sister the sister landed up in New York with family the other two brothers one landed up in the resistance part of the partisan movements from that movie actually what was it called in the forest and the other brother went to Costa Rica so that's another long story but it's a magnificent story was alone well the uncle that landed up in the forest actually worked as a mechanic on the planes in the ghettos and he wouldn't leave because his mom who was my granny the one they left behind his wife and two
children were left and a Christian family kept them in the basement and he used to work specifically so that he could bring them how does not bring extra food for them in the basement and after about two years into the war I think the young daughter fell in love with one of the polish or russian army gas and told on him so he came back and he found his mom and his wife and their two children shot hid in the basement and that was when he left and he joined underground and went into the forest and that's amazing story because that's where he met his
wife who had a similar story her two children were murdered and she also joins us a strong Polish woman and the two of them met after many years fell in love and lived in the forest until they were all you know till the war was over a my uncle sent from them for cost from Costa Rica the brother and they loved their for the rest of their lives Wow amazing yeah um why did they pick South Africa your family well does where they could go to you it wasn't really a choice they didn't have anybody there but they'd heard it was an amazing country the
streets were lined with gold open and that's rather basically but they were taking me they were allowed to go there and that's why they would be what about your grandparents on the other side my grandparents from my father's side lived and were actually from South Africa they originally came from lithuania but there were long generation South Africans and they both passed away before I was born so I never met that fact I never met any of the grandparents on that side we say the family you knew that came over did they ever talk about what that trip was like saying goodbye to family and knowing
you wanted to see them oh my gosh mom mother was very literate she spoke Russian and polish she wrote Russian early she wrote ebru Yiddish as well so she would keep in touch and I still have her letters we she wrote in Yiddish to all the family members until they lost touch so what actually happened with the ones that were passed on we're actually trying to find out my cousin is going to through the archives of Burano vich and we were planning to go to Poland to actually revisit my biggest regret is that I never did that with my mom yeah before she passed away
why did you feel like him to run your harness burger my dad actually worked that point in pretoria and my mom's brother mesh owned a huge jewelry manufacturing company and she was a great designer and he needed help she was a wonderful business woman and the factory was in Johannesburg so we all moved after I finished high school the whole family to wear today where she worked and my dad commuted backwards and forwards what was the name of your grammar school okay yeah there were there any teachers that you might remember that you feel like really helped you in growing up you know really that
was wonderful school years not one mrs. be Kenan met she was the sweetest old lady but in those days we used to do every morning least to do the Lord is my shepherd the Lord's Prayer you know it wasn't the you couldn't do it because you were Jewish whatever and it was a wonderful time to grow up in high school what was your high school at was pretoria girls high just a very strict school all through our high school years will aunt junior and preschool we all wore uniforms everybody wore uniforms what did you guys do for fun in high school boys off to school in you know in those days used
to do piano lessons allocution lessons we all had lessons in the afternoon so it was really used to do I Stafford's music at stanford's JS but that's it read it now when you graduate high school you guys moved to your highness for a while did you go to Walker to go to college actually went to business school and I graduated from business school and after it was called stella bella felt school of accounting and in those days we actually had what we thought were computers with his massive rooms of computers and so we looked you know how to work them all in all the equipment
and its high school elicited economics and mercantile or just two of the subjects i chose so i've always enjoyed business now when did you meet trevor trevor was my next door neighbor for in pretoria before Jax good we went to high school he went to pretoria boys I know when to cricket Oriole girls are obviously and he would walk me to school yet I was yet his bicycle and I would walk with my suit my Panama hat and his family were friends of mine they moved in after us so we became friends and we were friends since we were 16 I moved to Johannesburg and
Trevor when he graduated went to Europe for a year and he traveled early worked cleaning chickens and loading roads and doing whatever it took to see Europe it was what he wanted to do and i continued i went on an overseas trip and then I continued to work in a medical distributors company so I still run one of their branch then in nineteen seventy he had come back to South Africa from travels and his parents had moved from Pretoria to Cape Town and we actually got married in Johannesburg and then we our first year of marriage we lived in Cape Town okay what was Trevor
doing fill up trevor was very entrepreneurial he really was so from a young age from the time he was 16 he worked in a camera store and they used to say just do not pack the cameras and do whatever and before long they got very busy on a Saturday morning and they said just put on a shirt and time and he outsold everybody and they said you've got to join us off so until he left for Europe from the time he was 16 he worked only on saturdays on the weekends he worked there and when he came to after you know when we first got
married he worked at a store I'm where he actually ran their Department and then he'll ended up going into business on his own and he was the first person 21 to go to Japan and bring agencies back to South Africa for tea at Cape be a big reel-to-reel tape recorders and maxell tape and Sony so we had um soul distributorship for South Africa from the time he was 21 well yeah men were now worked with him and I ran the counting in the books and the warehouse and whatever needed to be done and that's how we started our business no are your children war yeah
Aeryn Sun yes in 1972 so our first child gary was born and we still had the business then called may fee sales and at this point he had a lot of reps working for him around South Africa and he built up we built up a big business and then my daughter was born and we were all of I guess 27 when 26 27 when my mom said because of her background from Poland she said I don't like what I see in South Africa there's the part 8 and it's not a good thing and you can't continue to live here and bring your children up in
this kind of environment and at that time Nelson Mandela was still in prison so we felt like we didn't know that he'd ever get out and we said that was just the wrong kind of it you know society to bring and to continue we found South Africa at the future actually today I'm thought is it did because he got out of prison and thank goodness for that because he was an angel of a man and he came out with no animosity he was just incredible and he turned the country around I believe right so I'm back to within at that point in time decided that
we would come and look around in America and see because my mom kept pushing us you gotta go and actually the year before we left my father passed away yeah he had a very sudden heart attack and was gone in 30 seconds so for us it was a huge thing and very difficult to leave my mom behind but she absolutely insisted so we left in a bad December 1976 to tour around America this is 26 year olds and see what we could find with that how we actually landed up living here we arrived in New York as country bumpkins from South Africa in December straight
from a warm climate because it first you already know are we I landed in New York with no idea about snow or anything like that so we had our little jackets or little and we got off the plane and said oh my god this is freezing we can't even walk around so we went straight to the hotel and I'll never forget there was a little coffee shop downstairs and was New Year's Day said what are we going to do we can't this is freezing here all the stores were closed so we had coffee at mr. Feldman who was downstairs in this little deli and he said what are you doing here without coats he said to Trevor you take my coat he says because at one o'clock corvettes is opening and you can go there a bar code for you and your wife and bring me back my coat and that was the most wonderful thing because everybody is it how to New York be careful you know it's very fast and here was this wonderful man it took his coat and gave it to my husband and said go and buy yourself didn't know him from Adam so it was amazing it was welcome
to America we were traveling around and we were had family in Baltimore and we visited them and then we said we're going to go to Houston and see we heard about this huge beautiful Houston and I said to Trevor well we don't know a soul yeah what should we do so I said you know let's call the JCC and see if there's anybody that we can meet you talked to in the electronics business so we poured and I spoke to a woman and she said you know I have just the person for you his name is Mickey Spillane he lives in Houston not the writer
he said I know he'd love to talk to you he earned a huge huge electronic company called Sterling's in Houston and they called him and the next thing Mickey Spillane call Trevor and Anne said what are you two young kids of 26 doing here in Houston Texas by yourselves and he said I'd love to take you guys out for the natural art with his wife and they did and they were amazing and they said to Trevor enough we well you can come and work for us because they asked us about our background bosses what we did but we really like you to meet a fellow
by the name of Jack Burma he lives in Los Angeles and he's also got a big electronics distribution business and maybe he can do something with you and they're called Jack Berman and traverse it as a matter of fact we were going to California we'd love to meet him so we did after the next few stops New Orleans wherever we went to California and he was just a delightful man he was in his 80s at that time and he said to Trevor Anna I really need you to meet my friend his name is Brian above but he lives in London and he wants to open
up an electronics business in America so is he said but one problem he's in New York at the moment he was at a trade show and he's leaving this morning which was now Los Angeles time and New Yorkers three hours ahead back for London so if you call him maybe you can make an interview with him so I think was 30 dropped in the morning we both work up with enough phones and call brown or burb who was just walking out of his hotel in New York and he said Trevor I'd love to meet you but we're we're going to London are you coming back
through London traversal I guess we are now and that's basically what happened we went back through London and he was the chairman of the board of a British public company and he said I've had no luck with my distributors in America and I'd love you to come and open up a distributorship in electronics the only problem this is simba you need to be there by March because there's a big electronic show wherever it was I can't remember maybe it was vegas so trivial lack of my whole business in South Africa do I have to I can't just leave it at that time we built up
the really huge business so he said well this is what we have to do you buddy good stuff so I went back to South Africa and he had a wonderful accountant who did I counting his name was Tony Abrams Trevor said to him you and Karen wrap up our business I'm going to go to America but before I do that he says Tony you have to come with me to London chris tony said to him look what is this British public company one with the South African to go to America this doesn't sound right to me there's a real typical accountant so Travis it I
you know it sounds right let's let's just go together so that company sent them both first class air tickets went to London and they both set the board of directors of the British public company and they offered Trevor to come here with Tony said Tony this is legitimate you have to give us all your records all your background and then you come and Tony walked out of the meeting with Trevor and said ganja I cannot believe that this is true well they said team you can choose to live in Houston or Atlanta or Dallas Tony and Trevor went to Houston Atlanta and Dallas they didn't
like Houston Atlanta day couldn't get your group so there was a lot of green and they never saw anything when they love to Dallas because it looked easy streets back in 77 easy to get around just after tomia let's say rocky and they said could you please drop us to wherever there's a Jewish every like I'm to north dallas back you know in 77 Dallas wasn't what it is today and that's how come he chose and time you went back to South Africa and I was there and we sold our business to somebody else who continued our mayfair sales Trevor came here and I backed
up and left with my two small children to come and live in dallas texas never saw the Jewish community embrace you in the beginning this we worked too hard so I got involved with the neighbors and I you know that all the original things was wonderful Dorothy Grenadier who is I'm sure you remember her she's an amazing lady and she she really kind of took us under her wing as then I met one after about living here about eight months I started to meet the other South African said were the early ones we both from the moment we hit the soil we started to work
Sal's name of the country we started a company called verb BRB hifi accessories and Trevor had to put roots on throughout the whole of the United States and he did that for two years and I ran just like I did back there I ran his warehouse and and they're counting and the books and of course we reported to England and they were amazing wonderful people that we got into our partnership with from London and we're stuff and I'm so very close to them today but after about two years of him traveling around in the United States he said I don't see any video stores I
don't see any things sell just this new thing for the Earl recorders and tape recorders and he said I think there's an opening for that and he went to visited Callum and back then was Curtis Max and they said no you can't just sell video recorders and tape recorders and that you'll you'll never make a living you've got yourself fridges and stoves and he said 'no i think i like this business and we both went to a trade show because we're already at electronic shows through the other business and we started the first video store in dallas which was called video land and our first
or was on preston opposites years and i bought all the movies for the library so i guess i was we were the first video movie library and rental library in the United States before Blockbuster and we had lines out the door it was just the very early days before Highland appliances before and the store was amazing and trevor was a hell of a marketer so he'd have a big screen in the parking lot and they they recorded it was one of the boxing fights that was you couldn't get sold our tickets for somewhere the parking lot was jammed and then Tommy Abrams who was his
accountant they traverse it Tony I need you in America you better come yet and he said next time I can't i'm not going to be your fountain i need to be your partner and he came here and he worked with jerry candy as an accountant and then when the business started to grow him and ice do the accounts of that he joined Trevor as his partner and they were like brothers they never ever had an argument to this day here an accounting he ran the finances and i bought the movies and trevor and the marketing in the business oh yeah was it like for you
in your family to come to America saying goodbye to family your kids are having to adjust what was that like I have to say quickly so hard I would kill to have my mother here her family here that the South Africans that we met became family we did pesach together we did rosh hashanah we became a family because they had nobody either so we did everything together your school holidays i used to send my kids South Africa because i was working ja mama and she missed them desperately she was an amazing woman and her one letter that she wrote back said Karen I'm living in
Johannesburg I visit all the supermarkets or the little coffee shops and i'll see you all the grandparents with their grandchildren and i'll look at them and they four and two I said I wonder how my Gary interior and she said along to breathe the air you breathe and that really you know since we can't live like this apart by that time we brought my mom here I'm very involved with about a planar rabbi block but through the years we've always been involved in part of whatever charities there are I was on it for 13 years and they did a whole thing for me and I
work with Yelton little bit Jonas not work with but now do what I have to do we birthed it those are happiest time in your life so many happy thoughts and a wonderful laugh my children doing all the things we've had with them at rubs being able to do having the ability to have my mom here bring my family here the heavy Tom's are having the whole we brought a whole family here as a result of which we have big yawn Tufts big Russia sean is big everything with the family and markets for them I you know what's a life like difference between America that
you become accustomed to and what it was like for you back in South Africa there were there obvious differences a good question the Chris hindsight you know I've lived here longer than I did they I lived it when I was 27 and I've lived here for 37 years so though I sound South African I've actually lived here most of my life the obvious differences are things that you can't change and that is the easy way of living the stressless were you know life has changed again South Africa's changed it because there it was a lot of family a lot of free time we'd go with
the families to the kruger box we'd have a lot of it you know no cell phones well today these cell phones in South Africa know the fast life was not the fast life that it is here that's the obvious difference when you were back in South Africa to the Vietnam War mean anything to us on Kennedy assassination I remember the Kennedy assassination but though the Vietnam wouldn't because was another country we were dealing with our own issues which was apartheid and that was the big thing at the time because you know I had people working with me because that's how it was but it was
a very awful situation where we couldn't you know mark my cousin for example my late dad sister's daughter went against or ever she believed she was part of a university group that went against the government and most of the people was sent out of South Africa or they were hung because or thrown in prison so you you the big difference when I came here was wow don't say anything for somebody's listening you know because we always were very paranoid about somebody they listening on your conversation yeah the first thing we came here Carter was being inaugurated then I watched the TV and I said can
you believe those people are talking that Jimmy Carter that he's not good and he's doing this wrong and I said they shouldn't do it because I get thrown in jail you know so that was the obvious huge obvious difference the incredible freedom in America now you in Trevor have the two children Gary and Terry and grandkids what advice to the gramma have for the next generation stop looking on your office I'll worry about the next generation because they're not as literate as we were when I say that say they just they don't talk to each other like we did they don't have the conversations that
we did they text each other so of course I fear for the next generation how will they ever do an interview like this you did a great job thanks for doing this you're amazing