Lillian Rachelle Stemmler Goldberger
Lillian Rachelle Stemmler Goldberger was born in Berlin to a Jewish father and a Catholic mother named Teresa. Her father's family ran a grocery store in Berlin before World War One, during which he was taken prisoner in Russia for several years and grew to love the Russian people who cared for him. Returning to Berlin, he joined his brother in the film business and became a film operator, working for a company and befriending famous movie stars, including one after whom Lillian was named. Though her mother was Catholic and faced disapproval for marrying a Jewish man, the couple wed in a civil ceremony in Berlin.
As Nazi persecution intensified, the family left Germany, spending time in France before settling in Barcelona, where her father found work among fellow German-Jewish emigres and made many films. The family also lived in Portugal for a period, where her father produced a film about the Portuguese colonies in Africa. Lillian grew up in Spain living what she described as a privileged life, deeply involved in the Jewish community and developing her talent as an artist and painter. On a visit to California, she met an American man named Harry, and after reconnecting years later, they married and she moved to the United States.
Lillian and her husband settled in the Dallas area, where he built a career in retail management, joining Target early in the company's history. They lived happily for many years until his health declined following a heart attack and, later, cancer. Throughout her life Lillian remained a devoted daughter, keeping close ties to her parents in Spain, and she carried lasting grief over family conflicts surrounding their estates. In Dallas she sought out Jewish community connections and was active in the International Women's Club. She spoke warmly of a cherished cousin, Hilda, a Holocaust survivor, and expressed her wish to leave part of her artwork and estate to the Jewish community in honor of her father.
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Oh today is Monday and November 7th 9 2016 I'm Joe Rangel the interviewer and I am interviewing Rochelle Stemler nice to meet you both very good okay Rochelle stumblin both burger okay my mother was Catholic my father was Jewish my father's family has a grocery store in Berlin and in the 1913 but over the war thought that my father has to go to Russia and he was prison in Russia for eight years and he was a - two waters - survivors of our typhus came to Russia and he fell in love with the Russian people that were wonderful to him when he came back to
building he couldn't find a job but his brother was already somebody in the movie prisoners so he helped his brother he thought it helped him to do something so they become a film operator okay so he become kind of famous Conte for the company called toby's clunk film on offer he worked very hard over there and he becomes somebody and one day they had a big festival party what is the name of the big hotel in one big hotel in praveen it wasn't his order and he met my mother my mother used to be a beautiful model and they fall in love right away so
the problem was she was Catholic Ariba Jews but they love each other they couldn't do that they got married and she had a lot of friends who backed her because she marries a Jewish person no well um what year were they married when were they married - do you remember what what what year were they married and no been married in in Berlin yeah but a very civil civil court oh yeah anyway when Hitler come he still dies doing some movies he's good friends with liliane Harvey I don't know he was [ __ ] you believe in highway leading hard as a famous movie star and then
she becomes a friend of my father named her family my name is Lilian it is because of her okay and he nearly nearly finished our just about leading a restyle she was a nut swings but she was a good wishy-washy put it this way that's it you know what he lost but a lot of famous movie stars anyway with the war in German to start the racism the whole garbage he has a chance to go to our friends Spain and Portugal he went to France stay there for two months my mother safety my to meet my sister on me and then he went to Barcelona
in Barcelona he had a lot of friends from Germany who were Jews - who immigrated and they gave him a job in Barcelona he made a lot of rooms in Barcelona and maybe maybe in Barcelona and my mother my sister me immigrated to Barcelona - we had a beautiful house over there and then suddenly my father had another chance to go to Portugal because it becomes famous we went to this boy and he said in the war for five years I went to school over there - he'd eaten a lot of movies over there and while in Portugal the president from Portugal I think in
names Salazar oh come on Carmona wanted to make a movie about the colonies for Portugal so he told my father to come with a whole group with them and they said in Angola Mozambique Cabo Verde or African colonies were portable for nine months and he did a beautiful movie on the present dear Mr Price I show you the memo okay it's a big party and then suddenly my my mother liked Spain so much my father said you know that sticker that chance again to go to Spain and he's been there there was a war you know when the war ended 1940 we all immigrated to
Spain first to Madrid and then to Barcelona but my mother right Barcelona so much we save in Barcelona and my father did a lot of movies and it was very involved in the Jewish circles it was better but Franco was a bad man but it was not a bad - or Franco cartoons by the way they don't know for a pool of Jews I did that oh yes well I tell you something and Franco had something going on for the Jewish people all the Jewish people who emigrated in the time of the Inquisition if for them all to come back to Spain to be citizens
okay so people from Peru from Chile Ecuador Argentina they all come back the families come back to Spain and their citizens and everything was forgiven okay so he had a wonderful life in Spain wonderful I was a princess my mother was wonderful my father very successful and the thing is I know you're very something's very interesting we were having dinner at home and suddenly the telephone rang and our mate went to the telephone and she couldn't understand what these people were talking on the telephone it was the manager from hotel palace in in Barcelona but the manager couldn't stop too much English because his couple
who wanted to talk with my father I don't know why who's gonna Kate but anyway these people talk a little bit so do is what parts are produced but the top of the German my father gentlemen understand these couple come from the United States to visit Spain but they wanted to find a synagogue and nobody could find a synagogue because at that time there was not the southern work without private home all right so then look at me you've got a telephone together under Joost names and their father my father was the only quality River so the cold Goldberg and they told him manager come
to hotel to call the call purpose here the poor man couldn't understand but my father went to the telephone and talked the best he could that they stood and that father invited them to our home and ever since we were friends and they asked me I mean why am i th why do I don't do something my father said she doesn't need to work she's an artist she's at me to do anything she said let's to come to the United States he said my father no no she didn't she doesn't need to go to the United States but I become very interested and when they
come back to to the country this couple make it communicating and so far our ask Papa mama please let me go just for what let me go they'll let me call they have a beautiful ranch in San Jacinto close to Palm Springs California and over there it's a lot of watercolor paintings and landscape the whole thing and one thing i wuld are you at that time do you want how old were you when you came our mother was on that time over 27 years old yeah it was old but very young at heart 27:37 yes yes and then one day they told me I spoke
very broken English I think oh you like to speaks Spanish so much why don't you take a card and go to meö familiar with India which is close to Palm Springs India is a date they have a lot of dates and they have date festivals and I went to India under Putin partial car because it was a Saturday it was a fair of date fair on whatever kind of fare vegetables or fruit or whatever and the truth the tongue and finally I found a beautiful boutique and up up in front of the boutique I don't know windows but so3 the most beautiful dresses like a
cracker don't go in a lot of eyebrows dresses so the girl who was helping me she said where are you from Spain and I said I must banish I'm German she said no your Spanish discover no I'm German I see effect you know what Oh a manage a German do you want to meet him car I couldn't care less about your manager one of us obtain the dresses he was there on the counter because she went over there tell him girl from Germany is there and you want to meet German girls he was very handsome and then he invited me for a cup of coffee
but I didn't want to because I didn't know who it was jeopardy aboard German by Cartier young have a cup of coffee with me okay I had a cup of coffee with him and we had a wonderful conversation then he said ah let's have dinner do you have no I cannot do that I cannot do that because if people were no want me to go out with you on the evening she said I can introduce myself to these people he won't be ok he was a little pushy anyway he was determined the went over there people liked him a lot I never thought my supporting
it was family I'm gonna be done what was the name of the family that the couple that you were staying with friends Thanks and what things have Jewish trends see our imv prints of our grades and he's he divorced his wife Lady Shiva choose to Prince Prince okay it was at the night range and he was he was the recorder and there of this little san jacinto he was the mayor anyway you think I went off with Harry we went to a place called chichi chichi was a very famous nightclub dinner dance and show and we had a wonderful time dancing by crazy and that
King Cole who was starting but on the piano he went to knock him cold on a sneaking cold to try a song for me and he prayed for me Spanish eyes it was but that's it I can't tell you whatever yeah and then he took me home he said I want to get married with you and I said no chance I never going to get married and never wanted children I'm very happy about an artist I want to go back to Spain anyway I said there one and a half months in California we went out a lot of friends and one day he was late
for our date that he thought he forgot me for mother Watson and then suddenly competent nice lady yep I picked up my mother from her adventures and my mother said to me please can make my team he's crazy crazy and way as a mother and I we fall in love she said well if you don't want to get married don't get married quick come over with me to Los Angeles Auto Show your Los Angeles and introduced us to this couple we're one with and they said okay go with his lady you know a literal surgeon does a wonderful time with her and then she brought
me back to Palm Springs Center feet or whatever and then has to go back to Spain and would you believe it I went back to Spain and I forgot about him and his mother but sometimes I brought them for Christmas for holidays and stuff like that anyway forget about our thing then 13 years later 13 years later I was in North in Pacific horn which is um it's a Basque Country okay on vacation and it was I think I remembered as a six or a seven o'clock in the morning the manager from our Turks were very Pro English he said here's a comment mr. liliom that's the gentleman on October 4 she want to talk to you who wants to talk to me sir all in the morning Oh way to the teleport yep I'm harvest mmm I'm thinking about you are you still single that's it my god 13 years 38 what happened he said I called your father in Barcelona my father knew exactly who I was and he gave me your telephone number that's what he called me he said what are you doing is there nothing you just having a beautiful time here or not Spain he said would you come to visit me they said no I don't know
I don't need to come to this if you why should I I just wanted to find out how you doing well my mother we're talking about you and I just the coffee ID or maybe you want to come to a visit I'm Jessica well we wanna think about and then either telephone him all the time okay and one day he says are you sure you the one to come out no but every year are used to go to Ibiza I better know very be saying it's an island in your name I used to go to vacation there every year and then I went to the
travel Bureau and instead of buying a ticket to a bit about a ticket to the United States to San Francisco I promised Tom you know I called him yes you're listen you better pick me up in San Francisco you better pick me up because he said I'm sure that's a yes completely sure anyway I went to so I took at that time you had to go from Barcelona to California through mmm New York so I went to New York they took my passport I look at my love it but these people were very slow and then I lost my airplane and I called the manager
from the airport that he spoke Spanish it was so Mexico thank God if you fought because I lost my plane I don't plan to pay another money for another flight and besides I don't have too much money with me anyway don't you've already talked before it's our fault you in two hours you could have on other flights and then you could not go to San Francisco I waited two hours on the airport and I told him to call mr. Harish termina who was waiting for me telling my lover the day off because of that fault he was pay provides of a night so I waited at the airport now I I used to change my head all the time so tell you read something blonde - whatever I thought my head was very clean and with a reborn on one week and I think about teaching but not recognize me but you know at that time we didn't have the Rams we have now at the airport there was a big window and the Empress had another to go down that they are not allowed to watch this
to the terminal anyways I look I looked through the air Prescott who is having a bacon categorize him up to 30 years but anyway I come inside at the airport he recognizes me right away and like nothing happened and he took me to the airport Marina Hotel which is a very nice hotel and I remember yet red roses about champagne beautiful cake and we were celebrating to see each other again and he said I have to leave you now and said why don't you like me he says no I have a business in Fresno I have a meeting over there but very important by the
vanity clear up tomorrow morning are you sure positive if you order and see what you want but I'm gonna pick you up and then you wouldn't believe it you gave me the most beautiful kiss when I said to myself you decided he's just lucky you were still single and then this money come he picked me up and you know he took me to his mother you know what it was assessed she's about time she said thank God I'm leaving I can timepiece anyway didn't think if one company thought my god I think we're going to rest in DC oh yes ok well let it go
okay do you think if I stayed there one month I am wonderful time wonderful time and then we decided to get married but the had second thoughts because I love Spain and I love my life and I really never wanted to get married but he was so nice so nice and so polite and at that time I was very religious because it was raised in a Catholic school and he must have Jews he was not religious at all and then he took me to the church I had to swear that the Cossack yeah I went back to Spain I told my father my mother brother
get marry would see is that I'm crazy but I'm gonna do it you don't even know if you don't know how much 20 years don't know anything they say he's a wonderful wonderful doesn't help got to know what's going on but you know what are these sizes affect my things and that a lot of my paintings are from Spain whatever it is I come to the United States because mate in Las Vegas we wanted to have a rage in the Tahoe but it is tougher it was snowing we could avoid so his mother came and I went to Las Vegas party rating was very hostile
and then after one not after one and a half years I was various religions all the time but if civil is not for me I have to get married in church so we decided to get raised in church have you ever imagined Church in San Francisco and then I wanted to let my divorce I was not happy not happy with the United States I didn't like it I was used to the old fashioned way but one day I was lucky one day he never wanted to me to work it was the old fashioned way that one day I was walking through a Samba tail and
I so remember Jack LaLanne sir Jack LaLanne club I saw Jack LaLanne I'm gonna see some gym our insides of the gym are not calm as it was the the traditional mafia whatever and then next to me but lady of my own age she looks at me she said are you from Spain his 30s nope but I live in Barcelona she said I'm from Madrid my name is Carmen is red yellow she said he want to have a couple coffee with me since we are in Spain butter absolutely yes and she took me upstairs we had a wonderful conversation she says next week I'm gonna
have a big party in my house he invited me said but I don't know you cut that moment I like you you are we are from the same country what's the difference so I went to a house of wonderful time with all the girls and then I decide is to say in your attic say I don't get the divorce she said you cannot learn the American Way and I can people are their friend from us but they were not like them they're good people and you become close friends and then she loses her husband - my husband he used to be the president Rudy Filipino
F Airlines very wealthy people and I tell you the story what Carmen can you do that ok Turkish you wanna give up go ahead I'll start it off this is important yeah yeah you're gonna tell me about Carmen yes and they're watching me she was my best lady of the church for the wedding of the whole thing but your mom was helping with Carmen anyway my husband was managing white front in California white front of us beef discount department store on this apartment went broke the Omaha Saluki was looking for another job here another job they could even like it and then he got a
letter and dollars for target the target company so here's what the target company is another discount store my husband everybody reputation they're talking right away that's why we cut $2 today 45 years ago okay a long time we were very happy here we had big houses or nobody saw them all because the thing did my heart had a massive heart attack and after the massive heart attack he couldn't work anymore so but well anything but they do travel a lot have a good time with the Germany family on friends and here we are and I always wanted to get involved with the Jewish community but
I think associative Catholic they're not they're not gonna accept me anyway so but uh but I have about two Jewish friends here from the International Women's Club it was around beautiful have not a problem and here we are but I wanted to tell something more important important my father mother come here over a five times I love them a lot but I like better California it was different you know different lifestyle but the like this place you were to you they were very happy but the last time I saw my mother one year later she passed away my father supervised every two years and I'm
gonna tell you a story about my mother you wouldn't believe it my mother and how you caught up in innovations loiter hold an order of the ultimate villain role and explain of what it would operate on her but it was too late operator here so Papa to tell took her on a cruise and on the cruise is very strange on the cruise mama called me telephone she said mom I have such a beautiful time with your father and I hope to see you at the end of the year we were to come to visit your game I said okay mama I've gotta see you soon
three days later the captain called me he said your mother's at best away your father cannot talk to you because he's crying he's eating comes he's he's desperate okay but I've gotta tell you your mother says I'm so sorry so I took the airplane my mother took the airplane we went to visit Papa in Barcelona my favorite mama to think it but told us but my mother oh yeah they went to the cabin Papa mama after dinner went to the cabin mama went to bed I pop up to give a glass of water because she started to cough momadunc a little bit of water and
she fell down that and they think this Papa said if a strange the whole ship become the light went off suddenly the light went off and Luis come in a nurse come in and took her cross put the very hands was he imagined my mother's name was Teresa she was a very religious but she was a wonderful person but if they say that the wife went on but the nurse would have a newer put across in the hands of my mother that's a very strange thing you know you know whatever and then my father forgot about beautifully beautifully I'm not father always wanted to come
to the United States or live with us but my sister that a problem she was an alcoholic my father didn't want to leave her that the problem so my father one day become very ill again we come to visit him to explain he was my hospital already he was very very very sick but he said I'm going to be strong again at this time I'm gonna leave your sister alone because they're gonna take anymore I wanna come with you but then we said there for five days one day Papa wanted to heaven and me my brother any month and any my money and he was
supposed to have water yet or breathing also the doctor didn't want them to have him anymore but to think he insisted and he passed away really into me okay my sister's ever one of the house and she are the house people who killed her actually kill her kill just my sister the problem is Sheila husband my father my mother and this person was the port of foster house and he my sister over the drinking the English was very unhappy and he threw away he'll have made so he and his wife took over the house and then she signed a paper leaving me everything we don't
know in what she was doing and I used to call my sister every week but always when a quarter this man always come to the table worker why does my sister cook the telephone why do you all have to answer she said he said she doesn't want to talk to you anymore she's not interested in you anymore it's kind of impossible a mother self is very strange we took their friend we went to Spain he did not leave us in the house I insisted and assisted finally said he can only stay for one hour my sister just come out from hospital she liked that she
didn't recognize me at all and that he she went to another room he took up a bunch of papers he said look at this one these all this is mine nothing you don't belong here and we are visit by property be careful with people yeah after all right that's right and he says how it is possible well you don't belong here it's all his mine and that's a Colonia from muscle or northern New York I couldn't do anything I could fix this thing because took second order painting I took a little bit money but not very much but it was he took everything under law
is painless oh by the way I wanted to meet the person who signed with him that a paper because it was a parent attorney he happened to be death he died it so I had no chance at all but when it was very sad situation you know and then and then I wanted to ashes for my sister and he wanted two thousand dollars worth I said why should have pretty eyelashes for my sister I bought a wiser but this wasn't about which can he throws in a garbage can now believe it if the two is the true history reality mm-hmm but anyway my husband become
very very sick you went to the doctor they found out he had cancer of the column and besides he has a very very rare heart the identity later and a very very very long for the water kill mermaids on him so he tried to do the best it could the doctor said he only has six months to live but he had such a look forward to leave he lived for one more year then you are impossible we died the thing is my husband's family his father was Catholic only model with jewels his mother's family the compliment brought us the department stores when the war erupted
in Germany the comfort family decided to come to the United States without anything but they have money in the United States okay in Switzerland and they took all the United States with a chauffeur to find out the place similar to Germany that landed in a gene Oregon Eugene Oregon had the same climate up in Germany yes summer winter out the one or whatever you know and they decided to offer that to not three departments Aaron Kaufman brothers and the common brought affair very much involved in the synagogue in energy and when their guide their home become a retirement home for elderly Jewish people wow that's
wonderful very very nice what do you know and I still have aunt oh he's good me seven oh six sisters and one of the sisters that girl which is Hilda preciate my cousin she's wonderful she's not 92 years old going on 30 he's pitching my best advisor ah and she's very happy that you do they come here talking what you want that you brought me to little bit here anyway I think is she fixed control of my life she gave me the money we want to know you know and she was in a concentration camp today today is in stock I've been there 20 verse
17 years 17 years old and another juice couple took care of her and she was not very pretty but very capable girl and they used a sir that's how you call that as a nurse for the early people who were dying that's what she did at the center to the owner of the department store when oh when the war ended in Germany disk in everything too you've come to the United States she did she learned English and she put a safari up for those doors so where did she land fill up on you was she in California right here well where's Eugene or no she's
in still an artichoke body on yes yes and she wanted me to uh study over there but Eugene Oregon is a very beautiful but it's a small town I don't like small towns or that big city no it's not a lot going on there right right according three times a day she is wonderful I don't hope she'll be 200 years old that's right 120 we say listen I wanted to ask you I know you were you were here for over 40 years so just tell us a little bit how have you seen Dallas change what have you seen and notice here me darlin is not
very close what all of them but a very impersonal it's like Los Angeles each other big city but if you want to do something that I love a lot of activities if you want to get involved right okay right if you want to have a job and you're careful won't you get a job only the lazy people don't get jobs put it this way you know oh you have to be very stupid I don't know but I like Thomas I really do I'm serious I like it a lot of friends they're very good to me what kind of things are you involved in now you
said you were in the International Women's Club what else I think you're something the International what was good-looking went broke nobody wanted to be a leader anymore you know why when I love everybody I don't care what the relations are not really sure I don't care the think is not a Muslim woman coming in the club nothing against the party because they want to tell your story but they want to take the over I wanted to that all their own point of view I know what your matters anymore so that quick but as I guess something five months ago I had a massive heart attack
and there was one I was one week in a hospital on one weekend recuperation I can barely walk under to walk again no the only person who really was absolutely marvelous from all these other nurses was a Muslim girl she was absolutely island was Fatima she always was smiling she was helping she always a praying with me and they all were afraid of my own way wonder they say fasting my could you do me a favor she said what is it can you take off your scarf I couldn't do that my religion doesn't allow it she said please God forgives you please do it for
me mrs. Tilford you take it off she's took off a shawl she was supposed to throw sheets it was off a beautiful girl she'd to put it on right away but she was so good so good so good never forgave a she was Muslim okay good no it depends on the person of course that's the ways days you've had some fabulous wonderful things in your life just tell me what is what's one thing that really is outstanding to you what's one thing that really stands out that you're the most proud of what rather my father my mother my husband whatever whatever are you you yourself yeah where
do you myself that got put Mindy's world but because I think it's something I thought I was a mistake according to my mother was a mistake it's true she told me about this I mean I I mean I swear to God you know I do not pretty good yeah that's right not pretty good I think she'd be very very proud of it I don't know what the beautiful thing I think God helped me all the time but you know you have to know yourself what helps you but I think I always try to give an example always no matter how bad a person always try
to be an example always known at a lot and people want to accept that one is I don't accept it maybe you before that died there be what I told him no no yeah couple things that is so important and salutely that's what that's a problem water very good on that note thank you so much for sharing this with us and alexis is going to go take pictures and photos of all of your beautiful artwork and see what we can do okay well if you want them you know I just got the idea if my father the Jews on your bus no I think it's
wanted to know I want to have a legacy for him of course deserved it he really deserves better I feel good I don't know that is something between don't tell anything because these things may change I what I die I'm gonna leave some of my stuff to the Jewish community I'll have it on my will okay and the other just a little bit was never going to leave it to the church because my mother was Catholic had nothing to do mm-hmm so that's what I want to do that's beautiful legacy thank you you you