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19:28 Corsicana i have no recollection of course the can i think i was like 15 months when we left there where did you guys go my dad was an entrepreneur I mean he like went from one thing to another and travel the oil fields and East Texas and eventually we I guess Fort Worth became our home so you settle down in Philly yeah and he was in the scrap business in Brownwood I mean we were everywhere I mean I got a little bit older like when I was in high school we my folks traveled and mother went with him so I would stay with one
ant or another and it was good I mean the family was close and my dad was in the scrap business and the marble table business and I used to go with him when they had the rodeo and forth to collect the money out of the Marvel machines and sit on the bar I remember that and I guess I was in maybe six five or six yeah I remember sitting on the bar and eating peanuts life was simple and easy and good and then I came in high school before high school in elementary school I went to school in Dallas and stayed with my aunt then
I went to far as I now why did you come to school in Dallas instead of Fort Worth mother's two sisters were here in Dallas and I went to elementary school in Fort Worth first but my mother was home with me then and he traveled a lot so I guess I just wound up because of his sister's I think yeah and because of your folks doing a lot of traveling for business yeah do you remember your grandparents at all my mother's father was murdered in Fort Worth and way before I was born my grandmother I remember and she lived here Dallas and I don't know
how she was I was little and she lived on every street with his streetcars and she went out one day he was getting on the streetcar and fell anyway streetcar ran over and cut her leg off and so my recollection of her is in a wheelchair always and no was this your mom's parent my mom's mother yep and the father was I'm named for him so he was dead before I was you know what happened to him he had a store in Fort Worth that's all I know and he was murdered in the store what about your grandparents on the other side on the other
side my father's family was settled when they came from Russia to this country in I or Sioux City Iowa and I really didn't know them very well because we didn't get up there that much you know and see them but that grandfather also died young and I think he died in Russia and the mother brought the kids over here I barely knew her I think I saw her maybe three times there's my dad's spirit I don't know how did your dad get down to Texas then for I was in the Army in the First World War and stationed somewhere in South Texas and I don't
know how they met but my mother was like 14 or 15 when they got married and my sister was born a year later and she was like almost nine years older than me so we really weren't that close but so your dad did not go overseas during World War one I don't really know okay and then did he ever talk about his parents what it was like for them to travel to this country the story that I remember the most is my dad was he was 13 I think when he came with a brother-in-law and the family hadn't come yet he came earlier and they
were they came into Ellis Island in New York and he got off the train to go fill a kettle with water so they could heat water and got lost I think and he missed the train and he would used to tell the story and just laugh like crazy because he I guess you know something that happens is funnier when you talk about it later but that was his favorite story he liked to tell that and how he finally found Ben Wolfe was the brother-in-law and he finally found Ben Wolfe and they went to Boston and then his family came and he went to see city
and then he got in the army and came to Texas they ever talk about their family they left behind in Europe not that I remember I don't we had since a cousin of ours made a family tree and found a lot of stuff about the Cailin family that was my maiden name came and I really didn't know or hear anything about any of them now your mom's side of the family do you know how they came to this country they came through Galveston and they settled in Ranger Texas somewhere and then they finally came to Fort Worth now do you know what year are about
what year was when your face well I think my mother was born in nineteen three and I think she was about six or eight they came on her birthdays and when they authorities asked her mother how old she was and what was her name and when's her birthday and my grandmother who of course spoke Yiddish told him her birthday's often Hanukkah fifty West with the fifth night of Hanukkah in that year the fifth night of Hanukkah was the 25th of December so mother always they put that down as her birthday but her actual birthday was the 18th of December that was another favorite story so
talk to me about high school life what was it like for you high school was fun everything was so easy been and slow-moving and everybody was friendly and there wasn't a lot of prejudice in the school I don't think it in South Dallas where we were in fourth I and everybody was good friends I mean we know you were a depression baby also also I don't know did it affect your family at all that you know of not that I know of no I was so little world war ii broke out do you remember that when that happened yeah I was in Boston with my
aunt there I was visiting on Pearl Harbor day and then I came back to Texas and started high school for a while dad settled up in Indiana delivering house trailers they were new then and so we were in Elkhart Indiana and Goshen Indiana and a few other places I think but then they didn't want me they didn't want to have to drag me around so that's when I came back to Dallas to my aunt and went back to farce I I had started there and left and then I came back now did your folks stay in Indiana or they come back home too no they
didn't come back for a while I stayed in Indiana for a while and what they eventually came back yeah yeah and then we had a home in Fort Worth and no went to the University of Texas when we graduated and it went two years and my dad died suddenly and I was 18 that's a year we got married to November dad died in April now tell me about meeting your husband Bob we were kids in school what it's not you know you don't really like meet somebody it's just you're one of the kids yeah so when one wasn't what you knew you wanted to date
him no we all went out a few times and then by graduation time we were going together pretty soon and this is graduation of high school years of high school yeah and then we went he went to the University through the summer session I didn't go till the fall but we both were enough and then he left to go to the Navy and all his fraternity brothers took care of me they wouldn't they were I really never dated anybody else hardly after that I mean we were now when he left for the Navy I know it was towards the end of World War two but
there was still a war going on were you concerned at all as much as any teenager was then it's so far removed when it's not in your backyard you don't job right you don't live every minute thinking about the war I mean you thought about the kids that were gone and the bars that would or would not come back and stuff like that but when you're 14 or 15 years old it's not that big a thing what he came back that's what you guys got married yeah he came back in the summer and took his sweet time about coming back he made a long trip
out I know he was with a buddy and buddy's wife from California and they took forever to get home I don't know they stopped gamble and all kind of stuff anyway he got home in August I think and we married in November he was at SMU at the time and we married on a Thursday was Thanksgiving weekend was a long weekend so we had two day honeymoon and the Texas hotel in Fort Worth and it's been 68 years since and our family now numbers almost what 38 or something like that now and we're very proud of everybody what's the happiest time in your life I
don't think I ever really had an unhappy time the life kind of get you you know you you have highs and lows and the bad times are bad for a while but everything like falls into play we've had a good life what was it like for you when your children were born I was like devoted to them who very close sometimes misunderstood but usually things go pretty well with us Bob and I we were so young I mean we like grew up together and we grew old together and young is better than old let me tell you that for sure we had a good life
what was the music he used to like to listen to the big-band time I mean the music was great then and you could understand the words yeah you remember some of the artists yeah all of a Glen Miller arty shot ok Kaiser even I think we our generation had the best growing up done even with the war and everything I mean it were a lot of experiences and the world was changing and now it's like unbelievable that you live to see the things that are going on now I mean do you remember when the Iceman would come to the houses back then sure and the
milkman came to the the door to leave the milk and the ice man not so much the ice man but I do remember which we lived in Brownwood Texas and my dad had a scrapyard there and we live above we had an apartment above the office and it was pretty rustic I mean I used to play on the creosote logs you know that they would get ready prepare them for the railroad and stuff and every day was an adventure and yet it was the same you had a sister was she older than you she was nine years older was there something that maybe you guys
did together just something rarely but we were so far apart okay so what was it that you used to do that you would just die if your parents ever knew you were doing it I don't know of anything my parents were gone so much that I never you just been getting in trouble I've tried not to you I didn't get in trouble was there an invention that came along in your lifetime that you went Wow how did we ever get along without that I guess everything that came again we had to get along without television I couldn't now I mean where were you when you
first saw television oh my sister had a little said about this big 7-inch 6-inch whatever that was that was the first one probably that I ever saw where were you when you got your first television were you married already yeah we had a little house in East Dallas in Parkdale and my mother bought us a venom Hoffman how do you remember getting a telephone in the house where did you guys go yeah we had a telephone was that a party line yeah did you listen in no probably find something bad what was that like sharing a telephone with neighbors it was just the way it
was I mean you know you can't put it in any kind of perspective at all and say it with this where it was that way because that's the way it was everybody had a party line that's all you do right yeah talk to me about your involvement with the Jewish community well I always tried to be involved with when I was younger with the youth groups and you know as older I was an advisor to the Binet Birth youth and always we were always active at the community centers and that's about it in Fort Worth we did not have Hebrew school bear at the time
so I didn't get involved with that that I went to Sunday school last time you've lived through so many momentous occasions the Great Depression World War two of course the wars out obviously after that the Kennedy assassination Martin Luther King assassination landing on the moon for the first time in 69 something good of course the tragedy of 9/11 is there something that stood out that affected you that you go gosh I know exactly where I was the day it happened I can remember where I was the day all of those things happen I was working actually when Kennedy was assassinated in oh is it work
it was awful I mean I just and then when we went on that trip to New York and everybody kept talking about Texas you know the license plate and everything you from Texas oh that's bad place down there dancing did you know Jack Ruby that was the best he was a member of our congregation but I didn't know him I never even heard of him so this trip to New York was shortly after the assassination yeah I was that we went to the World's Fair in New York what was that like the World's Fair that was unbelievable at that time I mean they had things
that you didn't dream they'd ever have yeah what year was that 64 maybe you and Bob have the three kids one girl two boys 10 grandkids thirteen great grandkids and two great grandkids on the way here this summer what advice does great great I have for the next generation I don't know the world is so crazy now it's so different I definitely think we had the best generation maybe us and our kids but I worry a lot about all these kids getting born and having everybody in the world is just getting so bad but yeah I think about that a lot I don't I hope
they'll be fine well thanks for doing this today my pleasure did a great job thank you
