Louis Tobian
Louis Tobian was born in Dallas in December 1888, one of seven children of Jewish immigrant parents. His father, born in Kratinga (Cratinga) in Lithuania near Memel, came to America around 1882, arriving by way of New Orleans and Shreveport and working as a carpenter in Jefferson and Sulphur Springs before settling in Dallas. His mother, born in the Ukraine, followed several years later only after being assured that kosher meat was available, bringing household goods on the long journey. When his father died on Thanksgiving Day in 1895, he was buried at Sherith Israel Cemetery. Louis's widowed mother refused offers to send some of the children to an orphanage in New Orleans, and instead built a home on Hickory Street in South Dallas, where the family lived until about 1914.
Growing up in a largely non-Jewish neighborhood, Louis left school after the eighth grade to go to work. He became a messenger boy for the Postal Telegraph Company, taught himself telegraphy, and was taking election returns as a skilled operator by 1904. He later worked for a cotton firm, learned shorthand, and spent seven or eight years with the Santa Fe Railroad, transferring briefly to Galveston where he experienced the 1915 storm. Returning to Dallas, he became a traffic man for a cottonseed cake and meal concern and soon began trading in cottonseed and soybean products, a career that spanned more than fifty years. He served in World War I and afterward went into business for himself. In 1917 he married a young woman he met at a Sherith Israel dance at the old Oriental Hotel.
Encouraged by a rabbi in Los Angeles to join Temple Emanu-El and stay active, Tobian became deeply involved in Dallas Jewish and civic life. He served as president of the temple brotherhood, then as temple president around 1941-42 and again around 1951-52, and helped oversee the building of the fourth Temple Emanu-El on Northwest Highway, dedicated in 1957. He was the second president of the Jewish Welfare Federation and led a Federation campaign in the 1940s. For twenty-two years he served on the Dallas public housing authority, fifteen as chairman, and worked with Jerome Crossman on the Hamilton Park development for Black families following the South Dallas bombings. He and his wife were also active in charitable work, and he remained an outspoken commentator on civic affairs throughout his long life.
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We're talking with Mr. Lewis Tobian who was born here in Dallas. And how old are you Mr. Tobian? I'm just 86. Very spry. It's February 20th, 1975. And now you were saying you were born here. That's correct. And how was it that you remembered, or how was Dallas when you were earlier, your earliest recollections of Dallas? Well, I suppose my earliest recollections of Dallas was the day I was born. Well, I was, as I said, born in Dallas in November, no, no, in December, 1888. And for many, many years, the number of my automobile is number 88. But my father died when I was six.
He died on Thanksgiving Day, 1895. I was seven, I think, the next week. And I remember he was buried out in the Sherath Israel Cemetery at its present location. But it had just started, I think, a few years earlier. And they didn't sell plots. The folks were buried one after the other adjoining graves, and I think he's probably the fifth or sixth person buried out at Sherith Israel. And my wife's father, who was Benjamin Franklin, is also buried out at Sherith Israel. but a father died from complications he had his leg broken three times and peritonitis had set in he'd been to the Jewish hospital down in New Orleans but they didn have penicillin and antibiotics in those days so he died here on Thanksgiving Day 1895 at the age of 45 Now, he left seven children.
They were three older than myself and three younger. there was a sister and two brothers younger than me and the folks, friends here wanted to send the four of us to the children's home in New Orleans but my mother wouldn't let them and we made it somehow or another shortly after he died he left just a little insurance money he bought a lot out on Hickory Street in South Dallas some promotion back in 1890 and using that lot and a little insurance money my mother built a house out on Hickory Street I imagine it was about in 1897 and we moved out there and we lived in that house until I think 1914.
As I told you, it was a non-Jewish neighborhood and all the kids I played with and the work I was doing didn't really bring me in contact much with the Jews in Dallas. Oh, I don't know what... Turn that up. Oops. I only went to school until the eighth grade. skipped a number of grades or something. So I was about, oh, an older than 13 when I quit school. Had to quit school. Had to go to work. And there a family here named Lipsitz that were moving to St Louis They had a bicycle they didn want to take along so they gave me a bicycle And I think the next day I was a messenger boy.
For the Postal Telegraph Company, we had a couple of telegraph companies in. The Postal and the Western Union, later on they had the Mackey Telegraph Company. anyway I was this messenger boy and must have been a little ambitious so I brought me home a glass jar and you put some bluestone in it and crow feet and something else and you make a little electricity and I brought me a dachshund of a telegraph instrument and the key and I practiced at home and lo and behold and shortly thereafter was that was pretty good telegraph operator so I remember taking election returns in 1904 between Teddy Roosevelt and William Jennings Bryan at election time in 1904 I was 15 years old pretty good telegraph operator and then I worked for a broker marking the board off of the telegraph instrument they passed some laws down at Austin outlawed all the brokers and outlawed most of the foreign insurance companies and then they had a strike operators and I went out on strike and never did go back I got a job as a cotton with a cotton firm here who had a private wire to Oklahoma City and St.
Louis, A.L. Wolfen Company, the head of it, of the Dallas office then, it was Jake Kahn and his two sons, Stephen Kahn and Eddie Kahn, are very fine citizens in Dallas today. But then I was in World War I and when I came out I went in business for myself on handling cottonseed cake and meal and soybean cake and meal Well, soybean cake and meal at that time wasn't even produced in the States. but getting back a little further when after working for A.L. Wolf and Mr. Kahn we didn't get together the next day although he asked me to learn shorthand which I did and I went to work for the Santa Fe Railroad and worked for them for seven or eight years and my boss was moved to Galveston and I went down there with him for one year and I was in Galveston in the 1915 storm which was worse than the 1900 storm in Galveston where 7,000 or 8,000 people drowned but in 1915 they had the seawall.
But there was a concern up in Dallas that handled cottonseed cake and meal and they had a traffic man who smoked too many cigarettes. his hands were all yelling and everything the boss didn't like him so he phoned a friend of his in Galveston he wanted a traffic man so he told me about it and I was ready to come back to Dallas and I came back and got the job as traffic man for this concern the boss got sick I think after I'd been there a week or two I sat in his desk and started trading and I think I traded for over 50 years after that and in products but when I as I said when I came back from World War one I opened for myself and and did fairly well but in 1917 I got married I met the young lady I married at a Sheriff Israel dance at the old Oriental Hotel it used to be where the baker is now and they were famous for their Sunday table to hope dinners I think seven courses for a dollar and a half and you couldn't find a better meal anywhere today for probably $50.
But we got married and come this June, come this July, we will have been married 58 years. So, but on the last 10 years I have been active in business and And my son Milton handled it for a while, but he was more inclined to political things. And he's with Common Cause now, which is the People's Lobby, headquartered in Austin. And I think as I told you over the phone, someone asked me the other day if I was retired. And I told them, no, just tired. but anyway when we got married out in Los Angeles as this profile that I gave you will indicate the rabbi out there Rabbi Hecht H-E-C-H-T made me promise that when I got back to Dallas I'd join the temple and be active and a lot of folks say it took so oh I recall back in I did get more active I think about the middle of middle of the 20s I was I think the second or third president of the temple brotherhood and from then on I was very active in the temple I think Dr.
Lefkowitz figured out once a number of years ago that I'd been active over 40 years, and now I suppose you'll say over 50 years. The article will show you I was president of the temple, I think, in 1941 or 1942. and then again, two terms, I think, around 51 and 52. And besides that I filled out the unexpired term of Elly Kweisberg who died while in office but before that you interested in the Jewish Federation and the family in the Shep Center I think Yes, let me go back, if I may. You said you grew up in Sheriff Israel. No, I didn't grow up in Sheriff Israel.
You mentioned that your father, Shalom, had been buried in Sheriff Israel. Yes. Were you the first members of Sheriff Israel? I suppose he was a member of Sheriff Israel, but my connection with Sheriff Israel was very limited. when I was a youngster the Sheriff Israel Shule was up on Jackson Street right near Preston I think it was built in 1892 so when I was a youngster I don't know must have been six or seven or eight years I went to Hayter there and I learned the Olive Bays frontwards and backwards and the teacher one to wanted to reward me so he gave me a nickel to go uptown and get it changed and I think it took me several hours to go uptown and get it changed when I got back he gave me a penny and I don't think I was so eager
for Jewish knowledge after that and then we moved to South Dallas and I really had no connection but my father was no doubt a member of Sheriff Israel when he was alive my father came over here to this country oh I think around 1882 the best I can figure out I think he must have come up by by New Orleans up to Shreveport, and then there was a, you could come up on boats, you know, and then he was at Jefferson and then he was a carpenter in Sulphur Springs and he peddled out of Sulphur Springs I think and then he came to Dallas And
I was going to tell you though but my mother wouldn come here They had trouble, you know, over in Europe. My mother was born in the Ukraine, and my father was born in Lithuania, in Kratinga. That's right close to Memel. There's a lot of folks here from Zesmer came from Cratinga, and there's a lot of them came from Memel and Cratinga. I don't know how the two got together, but my father came over here, as I say, but my mother wouldn't come, oh, it was about four years later that she came, and they had to assure her that they had kosher meat available. over here before she'd make the journey and she came over here she'd run a little store over in the place where she lived in the Ukraine called Cherkosk the Aronovs here came from Cherkosk and Rabbi Olin was born in Cherkosk I think but she came over here and she brought a lot of stuff I don't know how they travel that long she got to New York I think they didn't have they had what they called Castle Garden then later on I think the immigrants came through Ellis Island but she brought the aberstachial you know pestle and mortar and she brought some brass pots and she brought a lot of stuff but I think feather beds I don't know how they brought all this stuff, but anyway, they finally got to Dallas.
She passed away, oh, she passed away in 1932. But this profile will tell you all you want to know, and maybe too much to know about me. You want to know about Dallas, mainly. Well through the way you saw it you know fortunately through you and some of your own experiences Well I remember the temples had four major buildings see The first one I remember faintly. It was on the south side of Commerce Street, where Field Street ran into Commerce and stopped there now, I think. It was the first Temple Emanuel building, and at that time there were no public schools here and they had a so I understand a first-class school system most of the Jews went there the reformed Jews anyway and a lot of non-Jews went there then around oh I think it was around 1900 19 to the second temple was built on the north the east corner of Erby and St.
Louis had steps going up a nice building but I think the membership then was around 200 families and they soon outgrew that and they moved to the third temple out on Harwood South Boulevard and then they had to build an addition to it and a lot of the Jews lived in South Dallas on Harwood Street on Irving Street the lenses and then they move a lot of them on South Boulevard the Marcus's lived there and the Kramer's and and dr. Lefkowitz lived there and but soon they went to North Dallas most of them and and so we had outgrown South Boulevard and the neighborhood had changed it was changing so much anyway we looking for our fourth temple which we finally built on Northwest Highway on this 20 acre plot out there and we we broke ground on June the 5th, 1955, and that's one thing I take great pride in.
We didn't get our plans from the architects until towards the end of May, 1955, and we had to send the plans out to the bidders, and they'd take 30 days to return their figures, so their figures didn't come in until the end of May 1955. And about ten days later, we broke ground. And most of the building was ready. We used it in 1956 in the fall for school rooms, and we used the auditorium for services, and then we dedicated the whole building on February the 1st, 1957. So it's 18 years since we dedicated it, so time flies. No, I'm all right. Cut it off.
Cut it off. German. Go ahead. This on there now? Yeah, but that's all. I mean, you know, it doesn't make any difference. Well, okay. Well, you asked me about the changes here. I asked you the question what a mixed marriage was in Mexico City, and I think that's the prevailing thought down there even today is a mixed marriage in Mexico City is a marriage between a Reformed Jew and an Orthodox Jew. But Dallas, oh, I suppose, during the late teens and around the 20s, it was a pretty divided community, as I see it. They had the German Jews and the French, the Alsace-Lorraine Jews here, who had done quite well and done quite a bit for the city.
In fact, they were the pioneers that came to Dallas when the railroads came here in 1872 The Sangers and the Cairns and all that they were very prominent in business here not only in business and in Jewish affairs, but in the affairs of the city of Dallas. They helped build Dallas, so the Jews of Dallas have had a good reputation here ever since Dallas became a city, you might say. But there was quite a lot of immigration, of course, into the States after the troubles they had over there at Kishniff and again in 1914. A lot of them came over here. and everything had changed.
They got in business and were very successful. And today, there's very little differences between them. In fact, the old-timers and their descendants are not as forceful or as prominent as they ought to be in affairs, but things are just different. Now, in the beginning, the first place of religious performance was the forerunner of Temple Emanuel, and then there was an Orthodox sheriff of Israel, and then there was an Orthodox shul in North Dallas, I think, on Caroline Street. and later on there was three or four other little orthodox shuls built but today I think that and the one out on beyond Sholem now I don't know how many synagogues you have here now I think it must be about four or five see but if you look at the roster you don recognize the names anymore and and it just an amalgamated the city you might say to a great extent And those well I was president of the federation Jewish Welfare Federation in 1931 to 1932 Minnie Smith came there at the time to work as temporary help I think for a few months and that was in 1931 to 32 and she's still down there so campaigns in those days I headed the campaign I think oh must have been in 42 or 3 the goal was only $45,000 and we raised a little bit more than the gold and we had quite a hassle down there on what to do with the extra money.
It was a few thousand dollars and much to my regret Herbert Mallinson was at the meeting sitting next to me. I think I believe it was in October 41 and he died of a heart attack right in the Federation building. And Mrs. Jules Kahn was working for the Federation there taking care of the needy. They didn't have too many of them. I remember she had one client, didn't like the brand of coffee she was getting and this and that, but one dissident, I think he lived in Weatherford, Texas, came to the Federation building one day and he didn't probably like the treatment he was getting I don't know or he had gone haywire and he shot and killed Mrs.
Kahn there in the Federation building but things of course are changing they're changing every day and getting back though to old Dallas the City Hall used to be where the where the Adolphus is now and I've always had a beef well the City Hall was on the corner on the northwest corner next to it was the fire station and next to it was the Times Herald and there a jog in the road there now when the city sold the building there no doubt for very little money it was a grand opportunity to straighten out Accord Street, which they didn't do. Now Accord and Irving and Horwood streets, if you look at them today, there's a jog every two or three blocks.
It's a lot of cow trails that were connected to make a street, and they didn't straighten it out then. Later on, when the Oriental Hotel was torn down for the Baker on the southeast corner of Ackerd and Commerce, they could have straightened it out then because it was a vacant lot east of the Baker and they could have just pushed it over. But that's one thing that always worries me. Later on, oh, about 20 years ago, I went in with Mayor Woodall Rogers, ex-Mayor Woodall Rogers at the time, and they were talking about putting up a new library, and we promoted a television program but it seems we didn't make too much headway.
We didn't think the new library should have gone on Harwood and Commerce. They were going to build the new Hilton Hotel there. First it was, what's the first name of it? Statler Hilton? Yeah, first it was, Statler started it, and then Hitler came in. I remember a speech Statler made about prices. In the olden days, it cost $3,000 a room to build a hotel, and the rent for a room would be $3 a day. At the time they were putting up to Statler Hilton, it cost about $10 a room to build a hotel, and the rates were $10 a day. Now today, I suppose, it costs $30, $35 a room to build a hotel, The rates are according.
But anyway, getting back to the library, we thought the Statler Hilton should have been made, should have had the whole, most of the whole block, and I don't know why they ever gave them a permit to build it without any parking. But the library site that adjoins Hoylewood, we thought part of that should have been sold to Statler so they could have had the whole block and the remaining property could have been used to ride in Harwood and St. Paul and some of it put into Jackson Street. Jackson Street along there is only 30 feet wide and they're always having exhibits in the hotel so there's trucks there taking machinery up and blocking traffic.
But our ideas didn't prevail and they built the library there. Now they're talking about moving the library down where the new city hall is going to be. So the leadership is to be questioned here sometimes as to their motives, and sometimes you wonder where they get these motives. But that's another question. now oh I don't know what else you want me to talk about well as to the change you started talking about the split in the community and your own feelings were you thinking in terms of reform as opposed to conservative or orthodox when you became an adult no it was just just natural for me we were natural for me most of the folks I knew were in the reform category and I think that fit in better with my faults at the time and I'm there were about a a dozen old cronies Jews who needed a place to have a minion every day to play cards and so forth They bought a house on South Boulevard between Harwood and Irby and that the origin of Golden Acres In the earlier days they didn't have too much need for social services and anything.
If any Jewish families had any trouble the neighbors it seems would pitch in and take care of them and nearly everybody was in business for themselves anyway and there wasn't too much need in the community and talking about changes in the community now we don't have the old-time leaders here that we used to have because the present tendency is conglomerates. Sanger Brothers sold out to Federated, Teiches sold out to Allied, Linses is sold, A. Harris was sold. Nearly all the old Jewish firms now are a part of a conglomerate. and a big agglomerate. They send someone here that works for four or five years and makes a good record.
We've had a number of them, and they make such a good record that they send them someplace else, and they don't stay here forever like the old timers, you know. So the leadership amongst the Jews in a lot of things, I don't think in civic matters, they're prominent in all that. But in fact, in this day and time, it's hard to have any leadership anymore because you've got all these social changes and civil rights and civil wrongs. Here not long ago, not long ago at the City Hall and the Council Chambers, there were 11 minorities sitting in the chairs of the councilmen and wouldn't get out.
In this day and time you wouldn't think of arresting them. You may have a riot on your hands and they get away with a lot of things today that you wouldn stand for But things in my opinion have reached such a stage that I make the statement that anyone that qualified and in their right mind hesitates on taking a position with the school board or the council or many other organizations around here because all you can hope to get is a lot of harassment. I don't care how good you are, and it's not worth it. I think I'm going to mention to you that earlier, oh, I don't know, six or seven years ago at the dinner of the National Conference of Christians and Jews, I had the honor of presenting the award to Eric Johnson.
He's son of immigrants, and I'm son of immigrants. But I stated at that time that being mayor of Dallas had caused him more heartaches and more loss of sleep and more worry than running Texas Instrument ever did. So it's hard to get real top-notch leaders who have no axe to grind except betterment of the city to get them to want to run for any high office here. They do their part otherwise, but it's awful hard today to get things done because I don't care what it is now, you're going to have a committee show up the next day and they're against this and they're against that.
The delay on the city hall probably increased the cost of it by quite a few million dollars. You can't get anything done promptly because someone's always opposing everything. And that's the same way in Congress. on our Alaska pipeline. They discovered oil up there about seven or eight years ago, but it took them over five years to get permission to build a pipeline because the environmentalists didn like it The moose and the caribou might not have as good a time as they would otherwise Although a fellow here, there's a big game hunter named Klein, passed away not long ago. He told me the moose and the caribou, they love these pipelines.
he probably knows where there's some built in cold countries where the oil has to be heated a little bit to go through. And these animals, they like to lay on top of the pipelines and get warm. But we should have had that oil. The pipeline should have been finished and the oil should have been coming in here several years ago. Now they're building. It'll be two or three more years before the oil gets here. and you take even today up in New England they don't want any refineries up there and they don't want you to drill for oil up there offshore because that may hurt the environment but it's alright for them to build all these things in Texas they don't care about our environment so things have changed a lot and then getting on to another philosophy of mine I think that the American Jewish Committee honored me, I think it was about three years ago, and I made a couple of statements in there in response to their citations.
I thought I had to say something, and I still think well of them. A lot of the older folks remember saying saying all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy but the way am I thinking that's been changed today there's no pride in workmanship in many cases but I think it's been changed too much play and not enough work sends all of our jack away and when you send your jack away you're sending your dollars away and that's one of the troubles in this country today they want three-day weeks and four-day weeks and now they're celebrating George Washington's birthday this year on Monday the 17th that's the the philosophy that the They need a three-day weekend.
Well, after a three-day weekend, you come back, it'll take you two more days to get ready to work. Another saying I made at that time is, a lot of folks with these extreme high educations, PhDs and what have you, not all of them, but a lot of them have high ideologies. which are good in most cases. But unless you sprinkle those high ideologies with realism, they just won't work. And I think it's being demonstrated today you've got to be realistic about what can happen rather than what you'd like to happen. So we've got to get down to earth, and as some of them are saying today, we really got to get down to old-time religion if we gonna make gonna make this country click okay those that could work but those that were unable to work they organized the city county welfare it's been disbanded now it's just the county welfare and when it was the city county welfare they got together for those that couldn't work and they had a budget of thirty thousand dollars I had three hundred thousand dollars and the expenses might have been 60 so they had about two hundred and forty thousand dollars to disperse and they had such strict instructions the head of it had a guy working for him that for three straight years they couldn't spend it all one year they refunded to the city 73,000 and two other years 42 or 3,000 but they would call my wife she was the the second president of the mini Hexter Milk Fund and tell them to send some milk to this family or that family or they'd get TB or so.
So I wrote quite a paper on that and this and that. One local fella here didn like what I was doing I won call his name He just said I was a publicity seeker or something But it's still the case that, well, the federal government's taking over most of this stuff and there's a lot of waste and what have you. And out of a clear sky, Woodall Rogers was mayor of Dallas back in 1944, and they thought they should have a Jew at the time on the public housing. and Rabbi Gold had been on there and he was leaving town, so Wallace just called me, not Wallace, but Woodall Rogers, the mayor, called me and asked me if I'd serve, and I write over the telephone, and I says, okay, and first thing I knew I was vice chairman of it, but I had to do most of the talking outside because the chairman of it, I think, was connected too much with the fashion.
He had a lot of friends with the home builders. Not all home builders fit in this category, but a lot of them were after the money and they had government, federal government guaranteed mortgages and they didn't want anybody to get into their fair game. And so they, although we were under an overall head in Washington over both of us, but they just tried to push public housing around. I was called a communist and this and that, But the chairman died in 1951, and I found myself chairman. And I stayed as, I was in the housing fair, public housing for 22 years, 15 of it as chairman.
But I was smart enough in 1966 to get out, because up in Washington they changed the overall boss from public housing to housing and urban development And they had a lot of trouble ever since Of course, you've had integration. Well, of the public housing here now, it must be nearly 90% colored, I think. I don't know what poor white folks would want if they needed housing. In West Dallas in the early days, it was just fine a place as you'd want in town to live. They had flowers out there. We had no trouble whatsoever. In Roseland Homes over here on Washington, I used to make the remark that they had such pride in their place there.
650 homes there places to live if one colored man wanted to kill another he wouldn't kill him on the place he'd take him off three or four miles to kill him because no one wanted to put any stain on the housing but now and especially in West Dallas they vandalism they fix it up and they tear it down there's nothing wrong with housing if they just do what they're supposed to do when they sign a lease they the lease keep the place clean pay their rent nobody's gonna bother them but now a lot of them then HUD changed their regulations so that a lot of
folks living out there pay no rent at all and utilities have gone up and so the housing is not on a good basis anymore and the time I left we made enough money out of rents to take care of the property and pay part of the interest in retirement of the bonds but now it's it's a different picture whatsoever and as I say I was chairman for 15 years and I never met with the mayor at all all the mayor is supposed to do is appoint the the the not the chairman but the commissioners that the way the statute reads it's a tax-exempt thing there's
not another not a nickels where the city money state money in there and we were getting along fine but things have changed one one thing about West Dallas that is bad it's the old home of Clyde Barra you know and it has a bad name and today a lot of folks wouldn't go to West Dallas you couldn't pay him to go to West Dallas and Julia Sheps and I thought we'd have a contest see if we couldn't find a new name for it we offered a prize and pay for it published it but we didn't get very far although the shopping center out there that
is on the property the housing authority and arranged the sale to them of this property they did call their shopping Center Dallas West but I had a brilliant idea but I couldn't get it over I wanted to call it South Highland Park and North Oak Cliff but nobody nobody would buy that and then another part that talking about some of the Jews in the community Jerome Crossman Jerome Crossman was Chamber of Commerce president I think and he was he was active here and oh back back around 50 I believe it was they were 11 bombings in South Dallas and folks were folks were really a
lot of unrest here a lot of them had guns under their pillows and that is at the time they were building this Hilton Hotel and the crossman made a remark that if we don't do something they'll be using the new lobby of the Hilton Hotel as a morgue and some of us went down to the courthouse and had a new extra grandeur a panel and they got to looking into it and they did make some investigation and there was some white folks out there that had interests out there I think might have been the instigators they didn't want to lose their their property out there
but things straightened out after that because as a result of these bombings, the Chamber of Commerce and the Council of Social Agencies, they had a grand meeting in strategy, and that's when they authorized, or health authorized these 3,500 homes in West Dallas, and 1,100 in South Dallas, and some building going on. and that helped the situation a whole lot but I don't know if this article I gave you mentions it or not but Jerry on his own, he did about 95% of the work had an idea that to build some homes for color that wasn't public housing and he made several efforts to locate some land and he found he located some that's north of Dallas here joining Richardson, Hamilton Park.
There's not a nickels where there's city, county, state or federal money in there. Mr. Hoblitz all advanced the money to buy the land. later on we paid him back but he didn't charge any interest the banks lent us some money to put in the utilities so far out the city couldn't do it we borrowed a half a million dollars to put in the utilities not on our own signatures but on as council it wasn't called Hamlet, the organization Citizens Interracial Committee. But Citizens Interracial Committee had about 200 good names on it as members And when we announced that we going out this location in North Dallas there wasn anybody complaining about it so without any hellabaloo or meetings or this and that the City Hall worked with us we built the utilities and car Collins a big insurance man here agreed to take FHA paper it par it was at a discount and he had a sub organization that were builders and I think they they built these 750 homes with little no profit and they sold for an average of eighty seven hundred dollars apiece and the payments are
around sixty six dollars a month I used to go out there I hadn't heard of any foreclosures but it's a beautiful operation and they could have been should have been more of them but times have changed now you'd it's hard hard to do any of those things we sold some land for a shopping center and we sold Richardson some for school while it's in Dallas County to joins Richardson and I was secretary of it I but Jerry Crossman did practically all the work they we paid the bank back is is these homes attached to the lines and paid the city and the city took it
over and when we got through we had about twenty thousand dollars left over no one made a nickel out of it that is none of the folks that organized it and we gave that to Bishop College for their library now Now the streets out there, I tell this story quite often to some of my colored friends, the streets out there are named for a lot of colored people. Oh, Bellifonte, Dainbridge, Bunch, Campanelli was a catcher for Brooklyn, and several other names in Oberlin that a college they went to in Ohio there Hoblitzel there a little street out there named Tobian and I tell them damn it my street's not as long as Hoblitzel Drive but it's just as wide but have you ever been out there all right there's not a nickels worth of city county state the federal money in that non-profit making and it just took a few people to work on it and and get it done and we had splendid cooperation from the city and the thing worked out and as I say the $20,000 left over after all bills were paid and everything we gave to Bishop College we need more of those things around here but today you build something like that and somebody's going to make a tremendous profit out of it and then they somebody's gonna complain about this and about that about something else about what year was that excuse me oh that was built in about 1953 after these bombings in south dallas they they had to be some more buildings around here Oh, before that, I remember being at a meeting with Mr.
Hoblitzel and some others out at Roseland Homes, who was for colored, about doing something for the colored people. This was way back there. a big place out in northwest Dallas where they could have community houses and homes and buildings and universities and golf and what have you. but they call the place levee district number five when you mentioned levee to some of these folks they didn't want any part of it so nothing was done about that but I think that same property out there now has probably got high office buildings on it and everything But efforts were made here and there but it hard to get anything done And as you know, you say you know my son Milton, he took quite an interest in lead.
And they won a couple of elections around here, but they didn't get the sport they should have. and those that they were trying to help didn't even support. And so the school board got back to where it used to be. And now things have reached a point where the federal judges are running the county jail, they're running the school through the tri-ethnic committee and this and that and everybody wants federal money but if you take federal money you take federal jurisdiction almost and today they want more and more and more federal money and it's not working now this doesn't get back to the Jewish question but it gets back to some philosophy I had I wrote a part of paper Stanley Marcus once he read something in the magazine he asked me to to research it and I think my answer got to him about the time they had their big fire and nothing was done but urban renewal there's been a lot of urban renewal since the 50s where if you want to improve your city you'd put in I don't know 20 or thirty percent the federal government would do the balance so in Pittsburgh they got the golden triangle that's urban renewal in st.
Louis they had that big rainbow arch and cleaned up a lot of riverfront that was urban renewal every city in the country nearly had urban renewal but here the powers that be I I don't want to get into names too much, but a lot of them fought urban renewal. And some of them, I think, not as much. All of them, but some of them I think got home builders in there that didn't want Uncle Sam down here messing up things. But I pointed out, this was, oh, I don't know how many years back, the group that made the suggestions and helped the plans with West Dallas 3,500 homes and the other things we did back in 1950 and 51, recommended urban renewal along with these others.
And if we'd have thought that they wouldn't go ahead with it, it's a question in my mind whether we'd have built all this stuff in West Dallas because with urban renewal they could have cleaned up most of West Dallas. But they didn't. And when Stanley Marcus was head of the Citizens Council later on, he recommended again they do it but anyway I did this research and at the time I did it I found out that is when the internal revenue was not centered at Austin they had a North Texas division in the South Texas out of the North Texas division we were sending oh about a million a billion 800 million or something like that in taxes, in income taxes, to Washington every year.
And while Dallas was only about, I think I recall the figures, around 28% of the population of the whole area, financially at least a third or more or so, I figured we were sending $600 million a year to Washington. Now that wasn't federal money, that was our money. But the folks here didn't want a penny of that back, and so they didn't get it back. Other cities got it, and that's the way it is. But today everybody wants federal sharing. Everybody today don't want to raise taxes here. They want the federal government to come in and pay for this and pay for that, And we gotten ourselves in such a mess that I don know where we going from here And I a little pessimistic as to what going to happen Ordinarily, I've been an optimist all my life, but things are happening today that I don't know how we're going to solve them.
Give us a click there. Oh. Well, the Federation had a forerunner. I forget. It had some other name. It was a small organization. But I think the Jewish Welfare Federation was probably organized around 1925. And Nathan Mittenthal was its first president. and he continued to be president until one day I think there was probably a federation campaign going on and I remember I had a little headquarters on Field Street and they asked me to come down there Lawrence Cain I think was down there and I forget who else Lawrence Cain said they wanted me to be president of the federation well I hadn't even thought about being president of the federation but I didn't turn down many things apparently where I thought I might do something so I agreed to be president of the federation that's how I got involved in federation work out of a clear blue sky they asked me to come down there and asked me to be federation and as I understand it I was the second president of the Federation.
Nathan Mittenthal had been in there for five or six years or so. So I was the second president of the Federation. I think the year was 19. To be sure we had what we wanted, and we engaged William W. Worcester as consultant. Worcester was dean, had been dean of architecture at MIT and also out in Berkeley, I think, in California. And Worcester says the best thing he ever did at MIT was to engage Jury Kepes a professor of visual design or something So he did the high artwork at the temple the lights and the windows and the arc and everything It didn't cost an awful lot of money, but all the beauty and glamour, I think, is highlighted by Kepes' work.
and all in all it turned out to be a very serviceable, beautiful building. Life magazine had quite a story on it in their national edition and their international edition and they also published architectural forum and they have the picture of the temple in that, the whole story. I used to carry a copy of these pictures around with me. I wore out about a half a dozen of them. I'd ask everybody, did you see the picture of the temple in life? They'd say, yes, well, did you see my picture in there? I didn't know your picture was in there. Well, I'll show them the picture, and you can see the back of my head where I'm sitting in the audience, see.
And I'd have a lot of fun with that. I don't know what else to tell you. I could ramble around all day long, but it wouldn't be too useful. But you'll find those profiles at Walter Moore. And the mule car barn was on Corinth Street right near Irvey. And we were young kids, and we'd devil the driver of these mule cars going out of Harwood Street, and he'd tie up his mules, and chase us all over South Dallas. Later on, I remember when working for the Santa Fe, down on Main Street, we'd catch the car going east. I'd go home for lunch, catch the one coming back, and be back in about a half hour.
So, and then she tells you, I think that's a good night. Well when I was a youngster How old Oh I don know about 13 years old lived on Hickory Street in South Dallas Talking about these children, they need a car to take them to school if they live three blocks away. Well I had to walk three miles before I went to school every morning because my mother, as I told you, wouldn't come to this country unless she had kosher meat available. So I'd have to walk down the railroad tracks to Elm and Central to Rosenthal's Kosher Market, get meat, take it home, then retrace my tracks to Bryan Street where I was in the 8th grade over on Bryan, you know, near the Southland Center now.
But it was cold going on those tracks. but that did me good that didn't hurt me any in another instant I think they got on tape someplace when we were living down on Pearl Pearl Street or something one day my mother sent me to Darsh's grocery store they called it Five Points that's Jackson and Commerce and Preston they had a grocery store up there she sent me up there for a nickels where the flowman's oh Darcy didn't know what I wanted and I couldn't tell him any different I had to go back home and find out find out I wanted the nickels where the prunes I remember that incident and oh I don't
know a lot of things went on here and there but they've been in jail you said Jews owned their own businesses in the most of them the big businesses and even even the immigrants that came here saying the brothers would set them up with a stock or something and they were up in East Dallas and they had little stores you know there weren't so many folks working for somebody else I had an uncle that came over from Russia uncle Abe he had a he repaired shoes I remember on the east side of the verbi street where the Wilson building is now not on the east
side on the west side from Maine to Elm was a lot of tin shacks he had a little place in there he was shoe cobbler fixed shoes but for some reason he went back to the old country and we never heard of him anymore but as I say most folks had their own business a little business here and there some of them had big businesses sang the brothers lenses a Harris tights getting Germans tights used to live cross street but every one of those concerns now are conglomerates tights is a soul to allied and lenses is sold and and Harris and Sanger join that's federated
but all the stores nearly and they send someone to run them for a while then they move them I don't want to mention names but we got had one man here just running Sanger brothers I think someone suggested him I think it was mr. Gilman he might run for mayor or something but bingo he's been promoted somewhere and he's going I think up east or something so they guess wasn't located there today they're not a lot of them are not located here permanently if they do a real good job they send them someplace else to do a good job so there's not as many local ownerships of businesses of course there's a lot of lawyers and this and that but today in business it takes a big outfit a lot of capital and a lot of connections and this and that and that's the way it goes there were a whole bunch of pawn shops and deep there were a lot of pawn shops there they had three balls over them you know and they used to say two to one you won't get it back or something yeah there were a lot of pawn shops up there and a lot of businesses up there but there not too many of them up there what about the immigration of the 20s Did these people start coming or were they also staked by the Jewish businessmen Did they get jobs?
Well, a lot of them came in after Casey. How did they look at them? A lot of them came in in the teens, I think. Of course, a lot of them came in the 80s. Some of the old families, you know, they'd had trouble over there. I think my daddy didn't want to get in the military. I don't know. he got over here but a lot of them came early as I told you the Aronofs they came from Chikos but a lot of the old families I don't know where they all came from but that's when a lot of folks around there he came from Lithuania you know all what you'd call Eastern Jews but the group that was entrenched here came up mostly with the railroads and 72 or before or shortly afterwards and they were really a part of Dallas help build Dallas all the way but they got the big businesses and made a lot of money but I just mentioned to you that Sanger brothers though all these immigrants any of them would find them a little place they could get a stock of goods from Sanger's on credit I think and go in business.
Ellick Sanger and Phillip Sanger they both lived out on South Irby Street and they all were a good part of Dallas Jewish community and everything else here you know then you're saying that the merchants in essence the people who were really in business involved themselves in Federation as well and we had community well the Federation was small Federation was small until 45 is when Israel came into being as I say the campaign I had I I think was for $45,000. Now, I remember an earlier campaign, they had a little booklet, I think, with the name of the contributors. I don't know whatever happened to it, but I think I gave and I believe I was one of the largest contributors they had that year That was before they might have had a different quota But up until almost the middle 40s the Federation would go out for or so And it wasn't any big to do.
You didn't have to have too many workers. they had well I think two you had two vice presidents one I think was in charge of maybe getting the money and the other one in charge of helping spend it or so and George Levy was the executive director of something his brother was a rabbi in Pittsburgh and there were just a few people he had a janitor or something Louis Klein was interested in it I remember they had a room named for him but it wasn't any big thing now there's it's so big you you don't know everybody that works there now they go out for millions of millions but campaigns before the big knee arose on account of Israel they were small campaigns and didn't take many folks and I don't know whether it's in that article you've got there not but during the depression things were bad around the end when Temple Emanuel we had to cut the budget budget down I think it was in 32 or 33 ran the whole temple on I think twenty eight thousand dollars a year that one year we had to cut dr.
Lefkowitz's salary and later on we put it back to where it was never was as high as it should have been But then we retired him at full salary and made provisions for his wife Sadie, but she pre-deceased him. And as you find in the booklet Dr Lefferwoods who really had his heart and soul in a new temple died on June the 5th 1955 the day we broke ground That's enough for you, young lady. Want a cigar? Let me get this over here. Tell me about that. All right. Got it ready? Mm-hmm. you asked me about my name well my father's name was Toby Anski and we had that name until about 1909 I was working for the Santa Fe Railroad I was chief clerk and would get letters in there after people phoned me as they were referring to our conversation with Mr.
Anski everyone called me Toby and they thought my last name was Anski, it looked like. And so I think it was a sensible move for this part of the country anyway, so I changed the name to Tobian. And I always spell it for folks, T-O-B-I-A-N, capital T. And so it's been Tobian, I think, since 19... I believe it was 1909, but you were mentioned city directories. I've been down to the library, and I looked up the old directories. I can find my father's name in there, I think, oh, back in the 90s, but they don't have a complete file down there, but the directory is just a little thing of 40 or 50 pages or something.
You've been through them. Well, you'll find Tobiansky in there. I had to get a history of the family, I think. Oh, my wife's sister needed it up in New York for something. And the funny thing about my wife, I told you we met at Sheriff Ezra Ball at the old Oriental Hotel. Her father died and her mother was Mrs. Sarah Franklin was left with these two girls. Well, she had three girls. One died. But she had two girls, and she had a little store, and she didn't know what to do with the two girls, and she put them in Ursuline Convent. It was down here on Live Oak, I think, in Haskell.
so she puts them in there and the oldest of the daughters now Mrs. Louis Tobian she goes to this convent and how many years were you there? Two. Two years. Well she winds up as valedictorian and as a result had a scholarship to the Catholic College of New Rochelle at New York, a Catholic institution, and she goes up there and she used to be president of the class. That was the next year? The next year. But then you had to come back home? Yeah. She had to come back home then for many reasons. but valedictorian and a Catholic convent here and president of the class in the College of New Rochelle in New York that's pretty good for an Etihad girl and now she's my boss see and here's the here's