Lynn Fine
Lynn Fine was born Lynn Walpy and raised in Johannesburg, South Africa. Her family descended from Lithuanian Jews who emigrated to South Africa in the early twentieth century, including a grandfather named Julius Krueger and grandparents from towns in Lithuania who arrived between 1903 and 1925. She attended a private school called Red Hill and later earned a bachelor's degree in legal theory and psychology. Because of her family's political associations under the apartheid regime, she was for a time barred from attending university, a period she recalls with the fearlessness of youth even as her parents worried for her safety.
Soon after Lynn married her husband, Stanley, the couple chose to leave South Africa, following many young Jewish families and seeking adventure in a new country. They first settled in Los Angeles, where they enjoyed an exciting social life connected to the music, film, and fashion worlds. When Stanley sold half of his company, they moved to Dallas to build a future, and they have now lived there for more than 20 years. The transition to Dallas was difficult at first, but it led Lynn to integrate broadly into the American community, and today her family enjoys a wide circle of both American and South African friends.
In South Africa, Lynn ran a public relations company. In Dallas she launched several ventures of her own, selling African art, importing European clothing, and creating a jewelry line, and for the past 10 years she has served as creative director at a company called Craft, overseeing product development, design, and marketing. Though not religiously observant, Lynn feels strongly tied to her Jewish heritage and keeps cherished traditions alive, hosting a large gathering for the breaking of the fast and seeking out South African foods like boerewors and chocolate. She became an American citizen, values her right to vote, and remains close to family in South Africa, Paris, and across the United States. She speaks with deep gratitude for the support the Dallas community gave her during an illness.
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good morning uh this morning we are interviewing Lynn fine as a part of the roots to boots project for the Dallas Jewish historical society and today is Wednesday August the 28th 2013 Lynn first of all um can you give me your maid name w walpy that's right great and uh do you have any information you can share with us about where your grandparents came from uh yeah I've got some information from my parents my grandmother was born in Posh vitton which is in Lithuania and she came to South Africa in 1925 and she married my grandfather whose name was Julius Krueger and he was from
vashi in also in Lithuania he came to 1912 my paternal grand mother was um name was jeie ridus and she was born in Vin Lithuania and she came to South Africa in 1906 she married my grandfather who was from Lithonia we not sure where and he came to South Africa in 1903 so when you were living in South Africa what part of the country did you live in I lived in Johannesburg Johannesburg and um did you go to school there I went to a school called Red Hill and my daughters in Dallas went to Green Hill was quite amusing that and what what level of
education did you uh accomplish a bachelor's degree and what was your specialty well it was in legal Theory and psychology but I'm right now a designer so did you did you actually work in South Africa oh yes I had a public relations company in South Africa where I had large clients and it didn't really pertain to my degree but that was my profession do you have any really notable experiences watched by the South African government and in fact in the SOA Riot I wasn't allowed to go to university because of my last name and my family's political association with um which was then thec was
is still the god stop that must have been a pretty scary time of life for you well I wasn't scared I probably was too young to realize how vulnerable I was because in those days South Africans would disappear under the parted regime and my parents were probably more afraid for me than I was I thought I was like an invincible student was that part of the decision for your family to leave South Africa the the issues with aparte well when my I married my husband um we chose to leave South Africa but it had nothing really to do with that experience it was just a
decision that a lot of young Jewish families were leaving South Africa so we chose to leave as well what was the M what was the major reason that that you so as a young Jewish couple what was the impetus and the reason for leaving South Africa well we chose to leave South Africa as I said because a lot of our friends were leaving and at that time people didn't believe that if Nelson Mela got into out of prison that there would be a revolution so it was really precautionary as well as an adventure we really wanted to explore the world and try our luck in
a new country the apartate regime was obviously instrumental in US leaving but a con was the sole reason for us immigrating you had many choices you could have gone to Israel you could have gone to Europe you could have come to the United States what was your reason for choosing the United States and what was the city that you came to originally well in all honesty had I have known at that time that my children would leave me when they graduated from high school which is an American tradition I probably wouldn't have chosen the United States cuz I think that children leaving their families is
really an unnatural way of life I probably would have chosen to go to Europe or to England but America held out potential and hope and it was very it was English speaking and it was part of a whole new exciting world that we enjoyed and so where did you come first we first went to Los Angeles which was really exciting and we were very friendly with people in the music and movie industry and my clothes my friend had um clothing lines so it was really an exciting time we were went to parties and it was a really fun experience especially for young two of us
were young and excited and we really enjoyed our life there and then reality set in and we had to move to Dallas to build a future for ourselves and my husband's company was bought by a part excuse me stop can you stop my husband sold half his company and we came to Dallas and we made a life for ourselves we've been here for 20 years have any of your other families um immigrated since you and your husband did or are the rest of them still in South Africa my brother actually came to visit me when I had my child in Dallas and he lived in
America for a couple of years he now lives in Paris with his wife and his two children but my sister and her children and my parents still live in South Africa so do you get an opportunity to go back there on a frequent basis I go often I go at least once a year my parents come here at least once a year so I do still stay in contact with them as well as I speak to them almost daily so uh maintain a very close tie do you have any do you have any feelings of regret about having left I don't think you can regret
anything you do in life there's no times for regret I'm glad we immigrated I regret that I'm not with my family and close to them but it's been a wonderful life experience and I've got wonderful daughters and they love this country and they're very successful so when you came to Dallas did you know anyone here before you came to this community no I just knew Moren eelen who was wonderful to us but other than that I had no friends so tell me what it was like integrating into the Dallas Jewish Community stop coming to Dallas from Los Angeles was really difficult for me I'd had
this really exciting life in Los Angeles the South African Community was difficult to break into perhaps because I wasn't really willing to be in Dallas and they could have felt my resentment so it was a very difficult transition for me it did however force me to integrate into the American Community which has been wonderful for me and my family and we really do have a mixed bunch of friends we have probably more American friends than we do South African friends however I do know a many South Africans and funnny enough I'm becoming a little closer to some of them at this point in my life
than I was when I originally got here okay what job did you have when you first came to to uh Dallas when I first came to Dallas I had a 2-year-old so I wasn't really working I was helping my husband in his business but since he got a partner I decided to go out and do something on my own I bought an African art company and I used to sell African art I then went on to buy clothing which I sold for my house I used to go to Europe and buy the clothes and I also put together a jewelry line and I sold it
through agents around America so I was really just pottering around making some extra money but keeping myself really busy and in touch with a European fashion market and is that what you're currently doing no I have been working for a company called craft for the last 10 years I'm the creative director of the company when I started there it was really a small company and it's been really wonderful watching the company grow I'm in charge of all the product development um I also charge of uh design and advertising and marketing and all their video production are there any um social laws or social mores that
you find different between um South Africa and the United States that that might be particularly of Interest or might have particularly impacted you and your family I think South Africans are more open-minded they also see things in a more of a world view as opposed to a very American perspective so I mean from the Jewish perspective I'd never eaten um brisket on the Jewish holidays but you know those are the Manisha but I think South Africans do see things in a broader light but I can't really think of anything that's impacted me okay were there any other particular adjustments that you had to make in
terms of your daily life uh with regard to either uh differences in gender roles or women um are more stay-at-home moms and they're more family oriented I always felt the need to go out and work not cuz I wasn't a good mom but I think I just needed the stimulation of being in a Workforce around other people okay when you when you moved um obviously you had to make choices about what you brought with you and what you left behind were there anything things that were specifically important for you to bring and was there anything that you had to leave behind that you feel sentimental
about and that you are sorry that you weren't able to bring with you I think we arrived with this huge load of of um furniture and product and ornaments I don't believe there was anything that I've particularly left behind but over the years when my grandparents or somebody passed away we've been fortunate enough to be able to go back to South Africa and bring back whether it's a NE silver napkin ring or something that was of sentimental value my mother had a collection of glass bottles that are now in my daughter's bedroom um so I think over the years we've been able to accumulate accessories
and stuff that are sentimental to myself and my children and my husband okay um when you came to Dallas did you join a religious congregation no I'm not a very religious person so I didn't join any religious organization did you join any other organizations like The JCC or any women's organizations um I join Planned Parenthood and my daughters were very active at The JCC they did the plays here and they were went to camps um they did bbo but other than that i' haven't joined any organizations um tell us about any specific cultural or Traditions that you've been able to maintain here in Dallas that
would be specific to South African Community that we may not know about well I think what you're probably going to hear from a lot of people are the difference in food Styles um there's some very traditional foods that other Africans lack I won't eat A Mir Aman chocolates I'll drive out of my way probably 10 or 15 minutes to the South African shop just to buy myself a bar of chocolate where is the South African shop South African chop it's now moved it's on K and Frankfurt area and I'll drive all the way there just to give myself a chocolate but I also will buy
from them South African sausage which is called boror and a funny little anecdote is my daughter was leaving to go to UT the other night and she wanted a speci dinner and her special dinner was to have this boror which is probably she Associates with being home in South African being with my family and we had South African chocolate for dessert so those are the little Traditions that with myself and my family and another tradition we keep is my um mom always had a huge Yumer party and in those days she used to have people over like hundreds of people with a discotek and but
was a real fun event and I now keep Yumer well keep Yumer but I celebrate the breaking of the fast and I have huge amount of people and not traditional foods we don't have bagels and locks but we have all my favorite soups and gravx and roasted vegetables and pasta salad and my kids are coming back right now from New York or Austin with their friends just to have the dinner it's really a very important part of our family tradition so are your children learning to cook these traditional foods from you well my daughter in New York I don't think knows how to open a
tin but my daughter in Austin is a fabulous cook and she wants me to put the recipes together and she wants to learn how to make all the foods and she probably can't make most of them okay and they both are coming home early so that they can help me cook and usually y Kea we fast but we the three of us are together cooking all the food so it's really a celebration of the three of us together um have you become an American citizen yes I am an American citizen and what did it mean to you to become an American citizen and did you
have you been able to main dual citizenship or did you have to give up South African citizenship well in terms of American law you have to give up your South African citizenship which mine is expired I just didn't give it up however I was very excited to become American citizen it allowed me to vote and I'm very politically aware and really feel passionate about politics so it was a very important part of the whole process for me okay can can you just switch sorry how important was Israel when you were growing up in South Africa and is it the same today as it was then
I really didn't grow up in a very traditionally Jewish Family even though we were Orthodox we really were not Orthodox we were nothing um I remember my husband came to us for Rosa shaa dinner and my mother made a a spinach salad and there was bacon in the spinach salad even though we were we were celebrating the holidays we weren't allowed to go out on Shabbat but we were really irreligious and we were really not the traditional Jewish family so Israel wasn't a really particularly important part of my life when I was growing up um it's perhaps more important as my children have grown older
and I I've been to bom Mitzvah there and I really love the country but I can't say it plays a very important part of my life I already hope that there's peace and I feel very strongly associated with my Jewish Heritage and the Israeli people but I can't say I would vote in a political situation I would vote more based on American issues than American Israeli issues okay are there things that I might not have asked you that you think are important to tell us either about your life in South Africa the immigration process or your life here as um a South African in Dallas
or just about your family life in general anything that you'd like to add for your your your family and others to know about you I think the interesting thing and I don't know if anybody else feels this way when I left South Africa to go to Los Angeles it was an adventure and it was really exciting when I immigrated from LA to Dallas that was really more difficult for me um don't know why but I felt maybe because I felt more at home in La and it was probably older and I had a child and I had more responsibilities um as far as my family
are concerned they are really true Texans they love Texas they have the Texas flag in their dorm rooms they wear the Texas little necklace around their necks and my daughter's 22 and she walks around New York with a Texas necklace um they feel really strongly a part of this community the sad thing is for them I don't feel because we didn't have a strong South African connection I don't I feel they may have missed out on the closeness that other South Africans have because they they celebrate a lot of time together whereas my kids were more focused on the four the four of us as
an individual unit as well as many American friends but I do think there is something that's sort of intangible that South African Community has that Americans probably feel amongst each other but South African and American society doesn't have the same feeling um the America's been really good to me and to my family and my girls are really successful and when I was sick I have to say that Texas or the the Dallas Community were incredible I don't believe anybody in any other City could have been more supportive I I had dinners and meals and rides and visitors and people constantly at my side and I'm
really really grateful to them thank you Lyn it's been a pleasure interviewing you today and tell us a little bit about what the schools were like in in South Africa as a young child and then going forward through actually through college well as I mentioned I went to Red Hill and my daughters went to Green Hill I think because we both went to private schools it was it was similar I think the biggest difference is when kids go to college and I'm experiencing this right now there was no sororities you lived at home with your family um and you really lived at home until you
got married I find this very difficult that my children my daughter went to brandise in Boston and when she left I felt like part of me had been torn away and it was very hard adjustment for me this time my daughter has gone to UT I mean I feel a huge emptiness in my life and now my husband and I really have are empty nesters we have to learn to get on with each other because Remy not get on that's terrible but Remy was a huge part of our life she's an enormous character and she at dinner time she would tell us stories and we
would laugh and we would shout and cry and have fun so the fact that they go away is a really something that I wish I had known about because I really think it's unnatural and I really don't enjoy it I also don't understand the whole sorority situation I think it's awful I think once you sorority it's really great for the girls but the process is heartbreaking not only for my children but for the children who don't get into the sororities and I just experienced this yesterday so I know it's like a very fresh feeling in me and I'm feeling really sad for some of the
kids who didn't get their first choices and it's something that is so foreign to me CU University in South Africa you'd go to your classes You' study You' do well and you'd go home you mentioned the sororities did you get Anye feeling about that previously with the bbo experience didn't that give you kind of a preh hint or something about sorority life because it seems to me that that's kind of a precursor to that in the community I think BB yo is the most incredible organization my daughters can be anywhere in this country and say they are on the beach and they'll bump somebody that
they've met who lives in Wisconsin and we in New Jersey and I'll say Remy or Morgan how do you know that person they say oh through bbo but I think bbo is more a voluntary organization you can even though you get um put into a chapter that may not be your first pick but you do land up meeting with all your friends and it's it's a much more comfortable organization I think sororities is really a popularity contest and if you it seems to me that you have to be pretty and outgoing I feel really sorry for the the girls whether they pretty or not who
aren't outgoing and who are shy and I think it's very very cruel process it's wonderful once you get into the organization I mean my very fortunate my daughter got into the jury sority at Texas a fine she's so excited but I feel bad for the kids who didn't get into that I understand well thank you so much for taking the time to be with us today it's very important to have your story and uh this uh story will be a legacy for your family and for the community thank you so much nice to be here