Marcela Abadi-Rhoads
Marcela Abadi-Rhoads descends from a Syrian Jewish family from Aleppo. Her grandparents emigrated from Syria, with branches of the family settling in Mexico City, Brooklyn, and Panama City, three hubs of Syrian Jewish life. Her maternal grandfather, a merchant, met her grandmother in Mexico City and later brought the family to Panama, then a young country, in the 1920s and 1930s. Her father was born in Panama, and her mother was born in Brooklyn before moving to Panama as a child. Marcela was born in Panama and grew up in its tight-knit, largely Sephardic Jewish community, attending the one Jewish day school and taking part in Maccabi youth activities.
When Marcela was eleven, her mother, who had divorced and was American-born, moved the family to Dallas, where her uncle had studied engineering at the University of Texas. The transition was a major culture shock. Not knowing that Akiba Academy existed, the family enrolled the girls in public school, where Marcela, who spoke Spanish and had an accent, faced assumptions and prejudice. She found renewed Jewish connection through BBYO in high school. Her mother, a psychotherapist, worked several jobs to support the family and became Marcela's greatest role model for strength and perseverance.
Marcela followed her uncle to the University of Texas and earned a degree in architecture, later spending a summer in Israel working for architect Moshe Safdie. She returned to Dallas, worked at the JCC preschool and several firms, and eventually launched her own practice, Abadi Architecture, around the time her daughter was born. She specializes in and teaches handicap accessibility and was elevated to Fellow of the American Institute of Architects. She met her husband, also an architect, at work; they married at Shaare Israel in 2001 and built a kosher, Shabbat-observant home in Dallas. She remains proud of her Syrian and Panamanian heritage and active in both her professional and Jewish communities.
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okay good afternoon i'm joe reingold it is monday february 24th and i'm interviewing marcy a body rhodes and hi marcy hi hello tell us a little bit about your family that you know of your recollection of your grandparents and your parents where they lived and where they grew up so um my grandparents my my pretty much all of them came from aleppo syria or halep is what we call this um they migrated out of syria and into different areas my my mother's side of the family half of them went from syria to mexico and then they they basically migrated to mexico city and then my
father my my her father's family and my father's family all went to panama so they basically um the way we all ended up in panama is my grandparents um my mother's parents uh met when my grandfather was traveling he's a salesman he owned his own business um and he was basically a merchant like export import he started in syria and while he traveled they you know all syrians basically go where all the syrians are so they went he went to mexico city met my grandmother fell in love with her three weeks later he gave my great grandfather a few camels i'm just kidding and then
married her and just basically said i want to marry your daughter and he in three weeks they got married and then they lived happily ever after until they they uh both passed away um you know 60 years later but um so then he took her with him from mexico and went to panama where they it was a brand new country and then it was in the 1930s when they 1920s 1930s when they um immigrated to panama and my father was actually born there his parents came from once from syria to israel palestine to um panama so all my grandparents basically settled in panama eventually and
um then that's where my father was born and my father was born in panama my grandma my mother was actually born in brooklyn where my grandfather was staying for a little while doing business because that's another hub where the syrians live the syrians lived in brooklyn and mexico city and in panama city so it's almost like those were the three areas where they went and a long story short my um when my parents when they when my mom was eight they moved back to panama um so she was born in brooklyn and moved to panama when she was little then when she got older she
met my father and then got married and then i was born there so i know you were jumping ahead my grandparents were basically from syria and then went to panama so you're saying there was a large community there yeah people they either already knew or got to know with similar backgrounds right so in panama it was interesting because like i said the syrians were very close-knit so we don't associate we don't marry out um they marry syrians they marry syrians from the same city so you weren't allowed to marry syrian from damascus that was a bad thing we only married syrians from aleppo so only
so aleppo jews mariolippa jews and then they all kind of you know um found where everybody lived anyway so yeah so we pretty much um panama has a very large syrian community it's i think it's um is opposite of the united states most of the people in panama are not ashkenazi they're most of them are from syria um now there's more of a migration from from other places but for the most part it's a very strong syrian community and uh yeah so and all my i'm pretty much a pedigree like all the all the parts of my family from syria so yeah okay so tell
us a little bit about your life growing up in panama so i was um again my the community is very close-knit and we only associate with jews really um we all all the jewish kids went to jewish day school we all and there was only when i was growing up there was only one jewish day school so all the kids went there um you really didn't it's not because we didn't want to go other places nobody really went to public school unless you didn't have any money um and it's basically it was it's not like the united states they have really bad public school education
so even non-jews went to my school so um it was a you know jewish private school but um but i remember um back then when i was growing up in panama there was a military dictatorship and i actually had people in my class that were in the government military like in the in the you know the it was interesting so when we weren't really we didn't associate with non-jews so much we were very it's very segregated all the jews and the non-jews are segregated they don't really intermingle and so um i remember one time when i had i wanted to have my mom want to
throw me a birthday party had a gorgeous you know house with a big backyard and she wanted my birthday's kind of near halloween and because she's american and she had halloween thing and she wanted to make me a halloween costume party so um she went invited my whole class and my grandmother was very uncomfortable with the whole idea that there's gonna be military people and non-jews in her house because it was anti-semitism it wasn't really felt because we were very we were on our own but it was like you know uh they were they came from uh countries that didn't like jews so much syria
and mexico didn't like jews so much either in panama we stayed to ourselves because we were afraid um and it's not so much that we were afraid but it we just kind of felt like maybe it would be better so um so i i didn't know that so i like was friends with all my friends the non-jews and the jews we didn't have so many non-jews maybe four or five but it was it was a big deal like you know having them have this birthday party and my grandmother had to agree that every all the kids were allowed to come even with the bodyguards you
know because they were like i know as funny as the generals and like noriega's daughter was in my class like yeah so it's very interesting so what kind of activities were you involved in in school so i when i was little um really we um we i was you know involved in there were school plays and things like that that we would love but once a you know every year um during the the independence day there's a big parade that they have and i wasn't really involved with this but my my my we we tried to be so we were um we all want to
be part of the parade and so you either were going to be one of those uh baton twirlers or a little um or little um the the drummer the drummer whatever yeah and so i wasn't good at any of that so i tried to be a uh you know baton twirler and so i you know to get in the in the parade but we would do things like that like we were very patriotic panamanian but we were very involved with um with our with school things for jewish things and um holidays one once i got older there was there's this very you know um i
got involved with this thing called maccabi where come from a very zionistic background so um it was it's but macabe is very much like banayakiba here but there's no bananekiba in dallas but um banaya kiba is very similar to mukabe so we were um we would go every saturday afternoon we'd hang out with the kids and we would um we would be um in groups you know based on age and we would have madrid kim that would make activities and you know shia reem and it was very it was very much geared towards you know loving israel and um i remember also one of the
things we did it was i um i grew up in the 70s when the refusenics were around and i remember my my class writing letters to russia to make them get our russian people out and um and it was a big deal like they would tell us if everybody writes letters and they're going to feel bad and they don't want the bad publicity so write all is i remember writing all these letters to them and so macabe was a very big deal and writing letters to for the refuse knicks was a big deal and just um school plays and things so you know things like
that what were your parents involved in and did you belong to a synagogue and so yeah oh no well yeah so we were very involved in well okay so so it's interesting so my parents were just not very involved in the community necessarily it's by default you're involved in the community the community is very tight-knit you know we're we're involved with the community there was no there's no need to be um to create a community it was already built in there was a witso um and uh my mother wasn't involved with that my it came up later the late the maybe women that became my
age when we became adults that's when we got more involved in those kinds of things but my mother wasn't so involved because i think that there was a coming from an arab type of syrian community the women were so um involved in the day-to-day you know outside things like they didn't get taught like we do now um it was very patriarchal and so um so i guess she really you know she really didn't get involved she was involved with her kids and you know making sure we were growing up she didn't um there wasn't really an outlet for them and my father was a doctor
so he really didn't have time for any any extracurricular things that i can remember so did you have a particular holiday or holidays that you remember celebrating that was your favorite my favorite was passover i love passover but what i really remember holidays in panama it's all about around food syrian food's awesome so um and uh we passover was really fun because we did it we have i have a very big family a lot of cousins they would always like we would always have fur seder with my father's side of the family and my parents eventually got divorced and um and but but we would
celebrate with them and my i remember the four cups of wine i mean i was little i was like maybe seven or eight or maybe nine whatever and they would make me drink the wine it wasn't grape juice back then they would wine and you had to drink the whole thing and my my my cousins would make me drink it and i was like because you're supposed to it's a mitzvah and i'm like okay right as an aside did your cousins aunts uncles have a similar story that your parents and your family did as far as their migration yeah so my it was my my
grandfather my my mother's my mother's father was the oldest of the of her family so he brought everybody so he basically made the money and brought everybody from syria to panama and yeah we all they all had very similar they had the family business and they worked together and then my my father's side is a little bit less affluent um but they and they were more of the of the people it's like i um they grew up in not panama city they grew up more in the in the um the border um states i guess province near costa rica and um so you know and
they married one of them married guatemalan but she lived in panama my aunt and they had similar stories and that migration was from from you know from syria to israel to um because they were you know a bit yeah pretty much the same migration yeah so what did you do after you graduated high school oh so let me so i guess we skipped a little bit i'm sorry no no it's fine so we i moved to pat to dallas when i was 11. so yeah so there was like i spent most of my childhood in panama until i came here when i was 11. and then there was a big shock because uh my mother didn't know that akiba existed so she went to the jcc which went just first started in 1978 and she asked the receptionist is there a jewish day school and she said no and there was and there was a kiba we would have gone there but we didn't know so that was sad because we had to go to public school and the public school i didn't know any jewish kids and i didn't know who was jewish and he wasn't jewish i you know i came from a little bubble of all jews and maybe four non-jews
in my class and and here's like oh yeah yeah culture shock is an understatement and i didn't speak english and and i didn't speak english well i mean i spoke english eventually but i had an accent and people thought i was from mexico and they would go they would try to they were all the texan kids were like ew you mexican and i'm like mexican i'm not mexican okay it's like there was no they just assumed that i was mexican because i spoke spanish but so um so yeah i experienced a lot of like you know negative things from the fact that i was you
know from latin america and they thought it was mexican and um and when i would meet a jewish kid i finally met a jewish kid in plano i remember and i go you're jewish me too and she said to me so and i'm like really i was like oh no so they the feeling of i um you know the feeling of the jewish life here was really non-existent and it was like really sad for me it was like eventually when i got to high school um i met a few kids who joined bbyo and that was a godsend because i i mean and i eventually
knew the jewish kids and who they were but the fact is that i joined bbyo and then i was able to be in the jewish community a little bit more and that was really good because then i was with my with my my peers with my people and that was i felt better even though i was in public school and i had i really was most of my friends that i'm in that in in jewish and we're jewish i mean i just felt more comfortable being with jews and we had the same what brought your family here to dallas okay good question so my mom
um got divorced from my father or they were divorced when i was seven and my mom tried to make a life there she was the only person in the community that had ever gotten divorced it was like we were the first um very i mean it wasn't it wasn't normal so um and so um she tried to live there as a single woman single mom um but you know but um but she was american remember she was born in brooklyn my my uncle was studying at the university of texas he was studying engineering he went from panama to ut hook horns and then she said
she said you know why don't i just try to make a life in the united states since i'm american and my my my brother's there so let's go and um we when i was 11 so she went from when i was seven she did worse and i was 11 when we left and my sister was 10. so it was me and my mom and my sister you know came to dallas and he had already graduated ut was working in dallas okay so um so she had somebody here that she could rely on so most jews from panama go to miami so if they want to live or if they want a vacation nobody comes to dallas so we were pretty much isolated here but it's okay we made a life but then after a year my my uncle decided to go back to panama because really nobody leaves panama everybody stays so it's a great week it's a great place to live really as
a jew and um and so yeah so you went back to find out how we were and then we were by ourselves here so what did your mom do did she make a living here yeah so she's a therapist she's a psychotherapist she actually got her degree in panama but but it wasn't the same degree she got a masters in panama but it didn't get recognized in here so she couldn't go back to school because she had two little kids so she had to make a living yeah so she worked three jobs so she worked really hard to make it work for us so but
she's and she's you know she's you know you know i'm very grateful to her for all she did because she worked really hard to make us comfortable and you know so it's like you said it was a culture shock right for many people coming to dallas texas is a culture right not just you right it's true um okay so now my question again was so you you're basically here for middle school junior high high school and then what what did you decide to do so i actually decided to follow my uncle's footsteps and went to ut and i always knew i want to be an
architect so that's why i went to study architecture and lucky for me ut was an excellent architecture school so that was that was a good fit so um maybe that's why he came to guide me to that you know to that and so yeah i went to ut moved to austin was very involved with chabad and hello there um you know just lived in the dorms then eventually lived in an apartment i didn't really keep kosher we didn't keep shabbat i mean we didn't panama by the way um we didn't hear um it was a lot different so but i always knew that that's the
right thing to do so that was my goal was to eventually when i got married that was what i was thinking when i get married i'll i'll go back to the way i'm supposed to be but yeah so i went to ut got my degree and then graduated um bachelor's of art of architecture and moved i actually went to israel to work for moshe softy who's an architect and a very famous architect i was very grateful that i got a job there um and i was gonna maybe make aliyah but um i mean i grew up knowing that i would that's our homeland right being
very zionist and i just remembered how it felt moving from you know from a very nice community in panama to dallas and being feeling alone and not without any family without any friends and i was remembering that and making aliyah felt like it was going to be that because i didn't know anybody there so i didn't feel comfortable doing it so i came back to dallas how long were you there i was there for a summer working and they after a few months after three months they have you make a decision you have to you don't there's no they didn't back then anyway in the
90s they didn't have a um work visa you had to either make out yeah or go home so it's so basically i was like i had to make a decision whether i was going to make aliyah or not and i decided not to at that time that not to say that i don't want to maybe in the future with my family but i decided to come back and and be with and make a life in dallas i had already had i mean my the jewish community in dallas when i was in bbyo and i knew so many people and so yeah and so that's kind
of what i decided to do so what what work did you decide on when you got back here who did you work for so i worked for um well it wasn't in the 19 i graduated 85 it was um right around the recession time it was not there was no jobs for me and i'm sorry i graduated 91 question 85 from high school 91 from um so it was like in 85 is when the recession started and then in 91 there was no jobs there were no jobs at all so um i tried to get them to let you work for free i work for
free you know i just need experience i have i had one experience three months with moshe softy that in my resume but nothing really um and um so i got a job at the jcc preschool as a sub that was so much fun i loved working with the kids and then my friend said hey they have an opening at the jcc preschool i needed money i just bought a new car i had to get some money to pay for it and um and so that allowed me to like make a little money and you know write my thank you cards after my my um i
had a interview so i would write thank you cards when the kids were napping and it was so much fun it took me eight months to find a job so but i was working at the jcc for that time and then i didn't want to leave i liked the kids but um but then i got a job at um a firm i picked um commercial so that's kind of what i've been doing um commercial interiors things like that so and i'm i was working for for different firms trying to get you know it's hard as a woman to be an architect and so they weren't
giving me as a lot of opportunities even though i stayed in one job for five years and they liked me there they loved me there and when i decided to leave they were very upset but it was like i couldn't grow anymore they were treating me like a little intern so i had to move to the next step and then so i few you know a few more firms until i got the hang of it and then i started my own firm wow yeah so how long have you had your own business so i decided to have my own business when i had my daughter
so my daughter just turned 16 so my firm turned 16. so i've been doing this for 16 16 years so i've been a body architecture like i took my i i kept my maiden name for my firm because everybody knew me as marcia body marcella body they always so my my husband i was going to change it to i was going to call it dmr dale and marcy rhodes architects but she goes dmr nobody knows what dmr is you got to say a body because you'll be the first one on the list with an a yeah with an a and a b and an a they call your name first right so how did you meet
your husband that chapter actually he's also an architect absolutely right so i um i don't know if if anybody remembers the super conducting super collider project we were working to he was my trainer um and that we were working on that project actually mochi satya was actually going to do some of the buildings and then they scrapped it but that's okay anyway but that's where we met we met at work and um it was love at first night so where and when were you married so we were married at sheriff israel um in 2001 um march 25th nissan and we went um we were you
know um on our honeymoon during passover so um it was very interesting we found in spain oh yeah we had seder in spain so that was that that was fun interesting yeah right like the you know kind of like the exodus from egypt exodus from spain or whatever but um yeah so um so that's that's how that's and obviously you both decided that you're gonna stay here and settle in dallas yeah and raise a family here we actually he lived in mansfield texas um which is close to you know arlington in fort worth and um he has a son that was older when we got
married he was 17 when he got married so we weren't going to uproot him i i there was no jewish community in mansfield so we really didn't need to come to dallas and um and my family's here my mom and my sister and um so um we waited till he graduated from high school to then move so we stayed a year in mansfield then we moved to dallas okay back to dallas yeah there you go plano and then dallas yeah so did you ever go back to you said um uh keeping kosher and yeah shabbat and oh yeah that was that was the deal yeah
we had to keep kosher and shabbat and that's what we do and that's why we had to move to dallas because really the only way to keep shabbat was to stay at my mom's every spot so we would kind of have like a sleepover every shabbat with her if we wanted to keep shabbat the right way otherwise we i mean because we we didn't feel comfortable driving so um yeah so we uh we keep kosher we keep shabbat we give all the holidays it's it's you know challenging it's nice because i have my own business i get to set my you know when i have
vacation time right so but sometimes my clients don't understand all these young toes that we have so many in a row especially like you know the marathon of the high holidays right but it's okay it's like it works so you've been here a long time yeah practically a dallas site but tell me if you can recall what was dallas like when you were younger when you first moved here and how has it changed what do you see nowadays it's so different it is so different so much more jewish than it was when i was here right when we moved that's when the when the jcc
i think expanded i think the jcc was there but um but listen so it was one one jewish day school from k through eighth right that was akiba now there's there's four uh well there's yeah akiba there's torn a school there's levine and then there's the two high schools um well three high schools there's missouri there's tti and there's yeah i wasn't around right when i was there um there was no choices like that and so um there's so many more orthodox synagogues there was a lot of conservative synagogues maybe one or two i know khabad was here not one in the 70s but there
is a lot more jewish life here there's there were no kosher restaurants before i mean there was the kosher i there was um the uh there was one little mini kosher supermarket um fragments right there was reichmann's right and then it became debbie bought it and then yeah and so that was and then the big supermarket took over right so and so yeah so a lot of things have changed there was a mom and pop stuff but then now there's so many kosher options and kosher restaurants and yeah it's very different yeah what else are you involved in if anything besides the jewish community here
so i'm i'm very involved with my professional community um so i'm i'm very involved with american institute of architects my focus today is handicap accessibility so i'm very involved with teaching about handicap accessibility to other architects to owners to building owners i write a blog about it i newsletter every month but um so i'm very involved with that i was very involved before i became shabbat before i became observant i was very involved with like habitat for humanity and hearts and hammers but they always have programs on saturday so i can't do that anymore but um but you know so we try to do other
things we do activities with um to show you know awareness to the handing for the handicap and how to make life easier for them and i'm very involved with um i used to be more involved with the with the girl scouts um you know being a part of their you know um trainings and you know doing things but i might my daughter there was no jewish girl scouts there's a jewish boy scouts but my son never really did it but um but so so those are kinds of things that i i kind of became involved with besides the jewish community i'm very involved with the
jewish community in general i love being part of that and a bunch of boards that i used to belong to and was very involved with the pta with the lots of boards of my in my synagogue and um but yeah and besides that i'm you know left to be involved with um with my professional community how has your mom and your sister adjusted to being here how how do you see their lives well maybe i'll let them speak okay but i can tell you that my my my mother and i um well my mother is funny see she's very latin in that way it's like
i became i think what i had to do is i had to basically assimilate to feel good right so i'm so i'm very american and i'm um so i don't really and i go back to panama all the time to visit my father my father's still there may i live a long life and i have my cousins getting married and my you know and um so i'm still very connected to my family in panama but my sister and my are it's much more connected so she she you know maybe maybe you'll interview her and she'll tell you all about her ideas about her life here
but i think i'm the one that integrated most out of all three of us i'm the one that really made a life here um became much more involved with the life the jewish life um and became just involved in general i just wanted that same feeling of a community which is isn't the same but because like i told you before the panamanian community is just already there it's automatic right here i had to work for it you had to work to build it and i'm happy to do that but that's that was my that was one of the things that i know i did differently
than my sister and my mom you know just become more involved in the community that's very interesting through the years is there anybody that you can point to that you can say was really a good role model for you so it's it's interesting my mother is the first person that came to my mind so she's she is a very strong liberated woman right she decided that the marriage she was in wasn't going to be a good marriage for her instead of being like all the women that stay in the marriage even if it's not a good one she had the courage to leave the marriage
not only leave the marriage and go against the community because that doesn't happen she left the country and she started brand new with a brand new country i mean she came to panama when she was eight so she hadn't lived in the united states since she was eight and then you know was pretty much you in panamanian from for all practical purposes and moved here and um had to start all over and so she taught me to be a strong person and um not to give up and to persevere and to you know just i mean that's who started it i think i i later
found other people that had the same ideas and i looked to them as mentors but my mother was really the first person to show me that that women could be whatever they wanted to be right yeah if you just thought of this if you could change something about circumstances and the way things went for you would there be anything that you would change yeah so i think i would have loved to have gone to akiba let's go back for it i don't want to go back to school but um that would have been a really awesome thing to have happened if we would have come
here and so thank god for the federation thank god for the federation now because i think they're much more i mean they're much you know there's a lot more knowledge obviously we have things that we can go to then where can we go and then there's things that people know that are here but we didn't so it would have been it would if i would have had to change anything i would have loved to have been able to be part of that that community a little bit more but you know what i don't have any regrets because everything that happened to me it brought me
here maybe it made me maybe it made me work harder to make a community because i didn't have it all like you know ready for me here you go here's your jewish community i had to build it you know so maybe that's what had to happen only hashem knows why things happen the way they do so i just really think that no regrets really that my life you know all the stumbling blocks and all the things that i had to go through got me here so yeah if you could pinpoint something what would you say you were the most proud of it could be professionally
it could be personally anything you like i really i really am very proud of my business and um the fact is that i was acknowledged or people in my community in my professional um decided that i have i have elevated the profession for what the things that i do has has elevated the profession and they made me fellow so i'm not i two years ago i got oh yeah yeah i became a fellow of the american institute of architects so i'm it's funny because um when you when you're a member of the a of the aia it's aia american institute of architects when you become
a fellow you add an f so we joke that it's like we work so hard for that f so that's the one f we like you know so but yeah so it's i'm i'm pretty proud of that that's that they thought enough of me to nominate me and that they when i turned in my my packet um they thought well enough to elevate me to fellow right so that that's a wonderful achievement thank you so if you had to add anything else to this interview what else would you like to tell everyone so um let's see i just think that i'm i'm very proud of
the community that i come from um it's it's cool that um i'm still i mean i still consider myself i mean obviously i'm syrian but i'm also panamanian so it's like two things that i'm really proud of that i where i come from um it's their two great communities and um and it's it's nice when i run into people that are also syrian or that know the syrians and that they think of us in a good way um it's it's uh there's there's a couple of rabbis in a tour de school that have been around syrians and taught at syrian schools in brooklyn and then
they they think you know they it's kind of cool that they like our community and um and then it's just nice it's a it's i think that coming from that background has given me a lot of depth um you know just know you know sharing that with my kids and sharing that with my with my friends and being able to you know teach them about our where we come from and that they should be proud of that because it's a it's a very that that aleppo community is a very um it was a very jewish community very full of and it's and it's interesting how
we live our lives it's it was effortless to be jewish um it's almost like it's inside us it's like we just we don't have to work so hard like all the things that we do now i i grew up with and um it just feels very natural even though it's a i lived my most of my adult life in a secular assimilated you know way being but it was but my yiddish my my feeling for israel my feelings for the judaism it's very it's just natural second nature to me it's like so because i'm proud of where i come from wonderful well thank you marcy
it's been a delight to interview you thank you and we will talk again soon okay great thanks