Marilyn Schaffer
Marilyn Schaffer's family history in Texas began in 1898, when her grandfather arrived in Galveston at the age of sixteen. When the great storm of 1900 struck, he wrote to his parents warning them not to come, but they came anyway, fleeing persecution in Russia. By 1910, when the port of Galveston closed, her entire family had settled in Texas. Her mother and her mother's siblings were born in Galveston, and her father came to Texas at twenty-five to meet relatives, met her mother, and stayed. Marilyn's maiden name was Geller, and her mother's maiden name was Lerner. She grew up in a small but close Jewish community served by the well-known Reform Rabbi Cohen.
Marilyn grew up in Galveston, where her graduating class at Ball High School included only a small number of Jewish students. Active in BBYO, she often traveled to Houston on weekends to stay with her aunt and cousins. She attended the University of Colorado for two years before returning home and marrying Don, a Dallas native, in 1960. Determined never to raise her children in a small town, she embraced Dallas wholeheartedly. By the age of twenty-five she had three daughters. In 1979, with her children growing older, she went into real estate, working with Henry S. Miller and later Virginia Cook, a career she has treasured.
In Dallas, Marilyn and Don were members of Temple Emanu-El for twelve years before joining Shearith Israel, where their children became involved. Don served as president of the JCC, the Federation, and the Foundation, and Marilyn shared fully in that community life, including young leadership and involvement with the Holocaust center. She traveled to Israel several times, first with a national mission in 1972, and later joined a Federation trip to Poland. She and Don are longtime supporters of the Dallas arts, including the symphony, the museums, and the Nasher. Proud of her family of three daughters, four grandsons, and two granddaughters, Marilyn remains an enthusiastic champion of Dallas and its future.
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hi there my name is joe reingold and i'm interviewing marilyn shafer today is friday january 12 2018. good morning marilyn good morning tell us about your family as far back as you can remember where they came from your grandparents your parents and how they got here okay they came my grandfather came to galveston texas in 1898 and uh he was 16 and there was a big and in 1900 there was the great storm which now they call it the isaac storm because of the book but he wrote to his parents and said don't come it's horrible here bodies flooding in the streets and they said we're coming because the kha'zix the russians are at our door it was fiddler on the roof there
so we're coming and so everyone came by 1900 and 1910 by gal when they closed the port of galveston my whole family was here everybody that we ever knew never did i know about the holocaust until i got married and came to dallas texas because everybody in galveston was they had come in a very long time a long time ago a lot of them did move to houston um and my grandfather on my father's side moved to new york all his brothers and sisters moved to houston but he moved to new york because he thought oh my god i can't live here it's no jews
no nothing rabbi cohen was very popular and he was the rabbi uh there and he settled a lot of jewish people he was a reformed rabbi that's all we had is reform it was german okay and then uh so my mother's parents came to galveston and my mother and all her sisters and brothers were were born in galveston oh okay galveston and then my father when he was 25 wanted to come meet his relatives in texas so he came to texas he met my mother he loved galveston and that's the story he stayed there he do you know what community what community in russia they
were from originally i don't know somewhere there was poland yeah and i think both both sides were forever you know the german jews or anything right right what else well now where did you grow up i grew up in galveston texas i went to i was active in bbyo uh i went i never dated a jewish a gentile guy so because of that the compromise was well i didn't get vitamins because i belonged to an orthodontic show and you could there was no apartment my brother did um my brother and i are only 15 months apart anyway so the deal was if you don't date
gentiles in galveston texas my whole high school my graduating class was eight was 815 jews so it was not the jewish big jewish community so i got to go to houston because my aunt lived in houston my mother's sister so i got to go to houston almost every weekend if i wanted to and that's was you know and then i graduated from ball high school we had one high school for whites and one high school for blacks and that was the way it is now we only have still two high schools in galveston you were either jewish or or catholic and or italian all my
friends were italian my best friend was carolyn tarosa that's pretty italian and um let's see what else uh i went to university of colorado and uh how did you pick that just to my mother had always gone to colorado this summer because she had asthma and so i went to colorado loved it and it was great i did not graduate only went two years came home and got married how did you meet don it was a blind date on new year's eve 2000 i mean 1957 or 1958 or something we got married in 1960 and i've loved dallas ever since so he was already here
he's a native a native okay his pair his parents are not natives of dallas but they're americans everybody was american but i knew my great grandmother my my grandmother's mother and um in uh let's see it was lerner was my mother's maiden name and geller was my daddy i'm marilyn geller so that's a big name and used to right i know that name right yeah so tell me what were some of your best fondest memories of growing up in galveston it was hard because i wasn't allowed to today non-jewish guys so it was tough so i got to go to houston all the time and
i loved houston and i loved all my friends in houston and my my aunt helen topek um marcia fradell and marsha's mother she's my first cousin so i stayed with them and that was always fun and so it was just a you know it was it wasn't it wasn't anti-semitic but it wasn't real easy it wasn't like now i mean you know you didn't you went to the grocery store i mean you went to the uh for the holidays you went and you said you were buying your christmas present you never said you were buying a heineken present now i go to demons now i
say i'm buying a hanukkah present they don't understand it too bad no worries they love it so now i was i knew i would never live in galveston i never would live in a small town and do that i didn't want my kids to have that experience i wanted them to be happy and healthy and you know jewish did you ever think of staying in houston permanently no watching it growing used in our dallas or or any place that wasn't a small town i wasn't going to live in a small town that's the rules so you know you have rules just lucky that i met
somebody that didn't want to live in a small town either so tell me about your early married years coming to dallas what was that i got married i didn't didn't i didn't work got married really young and i would kill my kids if i got married this year uh didn't work but then i had in i had by the time i was 25 i had three kids so it was good always active in a breath we were members of temple emmanuel i was active there for 12 years we remember there we were talking about this last night uh 12 years and then we joined um
our youngest our oldest daughter wanted to be bar mit by ben's foot of course and uh it was not it was different at temple then now it's great everybody does but you did nothing it was a mockery so we joined chair of israel and we've been there ever since so that was yet all my kids were graduated there what are your what are your kids names and where are they now okay so there's um pam pidgeon and she lives in dallas and she's a real estate broker and then there's uh ann oxtein and she lives here and she uh well pam has two girls of
which one's getting married one is married ann has two boys one just has a master's from johns hopkins works for deloitte and the little boy is a little boy six three um syracuse goes to syracuse he's going to sports management and then i have one daughter who lives in houston and her girl her son just got into michigan yay and her other son they go to and they go to the hebrew day school in houston and anne's middle child went to akiva and then yavana so they're all they all married jewish they're all very in the community very much jewish and uh in houston her
husband is going to be president of temple and emmanuel in houston and my son-in-laws here are involved in jewish things that's wonderful yeah what else have you been involved in through the you have been abroad the jay the jay has been you know the jay the federation you know and i'm we're also involved in the in the general community with the arts we like the dallas symphony the museums uh the nasher we're members of all those we're very uh go to all the projects and things and it's always fun so it's just fun living in dallas we love dallas we love the arts district and
we're contributors there and so we're happy that they did all that through the years what have you can you think back of the things that you got involved in like chronolog not even chronologically but what have you really been what has your passion been well the jane i love to jay and it's really my husband was president of the jay he was also president of the federation he's also president of the foundation so it's been a journey and i've been uh people are really nice to the president's wife so you're right there with them right let's see my my daughter was very active in children's
cancer from the medical school so we were involved in that you know you're involved with what your kids are right so that's right so professionally how did you decide to go when did you decide to go back to work i never worked my first job is real estate okay i had a job in high school modeling something that was nothing they got paid nothing oh and i did work as a gray line lady when i first got married forgot about so that was 25 a day it cost 10 to park he had to wear hose i mean it was i took home nothing that's good
so um no in 1979 my kids were all i had a 16 year old 14 year old and a 12 year old and i said i've got to do something out of here i've got to do something so i went into real estate the best thing i ever did real estate broker and i was with henry s miller until 1999 and then they dissolved or they didn't dissolve but my my manager left and virginia cook so i've been with them ever since and that's the best thing i ever did that's great yeah can you think along those lines of some project or something that you
worked on that you're really really proud of not anything special no just a lot of yeah no never had a big project that was like i had to do um who if anybody has been a role model to you oh all the uh fanny shannon was just you know i loved her and uh uh let's see who else sarah mumbas oh all the old-timers and they were just really well what okay so put your finger on it what did they do that you thought was they were very very active uh uh fanny was you know in miss israel so if you go to is israel
with her it's just and really i really uh we're we're active in the holocaust center too and so that was a just an eye-opener i was in young leadership when you're first married you're in young leadership and we learned all about that and we we went to israel in 1972 with the national and that was like eye-opening you know wonderful you never now the kids by by the time they're 25 they've been to israel four times you know yeah they have more opportunities yes so we've and we've been israel my husband's been a lot of times but i've been about three times we went on
a family trip but i just went to poland with the federation and that was poland book of past past it was eye-opening fabulous just a wonderful was it a jewish heritage tour no it was just a federation general was it it was only 15 people and it was really fabulous yeah miriam my first first feast she was she led it and she was wonderful it's great yeah there's a lot of opportunities here oh yeah oh dallas texas well i was just going to ask you speaking of dallas you've been here a long time but you weren't born and raised here how have you seen the
city change since you've been here well since i came since i was from galveston and my mother had a sister living here hel uh rioster i came to galveston to uh dallas i didn't want to go to sleep away camp my brother went to youngshadia and i came to the jcc camp on pocahontas i used to take the bus they lived in lakewood and took the bus to so i've been coming to dallas since i was seven years old that i can remember and i would tell you my aunt and uncle lived in oakland and then they lived in uh like i say lakewood there
the only place to shop under um was uh was downtown downtown we went downtown to shop there was sanger harris touches tyches neimans [Music] and and sangers was sangers and harris at that time all right so um that was the only place so that's uh you went to to the hotels the baker the adolphus i mean there was nothing past northwest highway i'd never been through then when i got married i have to say in 1960 i know when i started working in 1979 i had never been north of beltline road i lived by hockey day and we bought a house in northwood hills and
i had never i went to the uh went to interview with virginia and she said oh you're going to be at the house the office on campbell i said where's campbell oh my god well i stayed there two years and then i came back to preston hollow you know and everybody says well you live north of northwest highway i mean of uh beltline i said i know but i live in northwood hills it's not like it's you know it's probably when we uh we lived at high uh by hockey day on meyerwood and then we moved to northwood hills and we were the last house
my next-door neighbor joyce polovsky was the second house at northwood hills and we were the last lot to build in northwood hills so we've been there since 1975. so you've seen a lot of growth oh gosh it was well northwood hills uh spring valley it used to close at my at my lot you couldn't get you had to come all the way around to get to clifford it didn't come into spring valley that was all horses when we really bought it was all horses and now like i was down now it's just i mean i can't even believe everything did you ever feel i'm just curious any kind of anti-semitic behavior attitudes or anything living here all these years not in dallas in galveston yes when i was a little girl my my mother
my grandmother we were you know it was a really small town i mean you took the bus every place you for my grandmother's house on on shabbos we always had dinner uh lunch there and then we walked it you walked downtown she lived four blocks from downtown she lived in a big i thought it was a big house probably wasn't that big and she had an apartment four plex apartment next to hers that she owned and there was a little guy one day came out and said you know the nazis should have killed all the jews and i must have been 10 or 12 or
something he said it to my brother and i hit him and so my grandmother was upset they're going to move well the lady was more upset than that that my grandmother was going to kick her out and she apologized and apologized so it was it wasn't rampant but yeah but you didn't feel anything here you didn't see any instances no i never yeah there were probably because i moved here in 1960 so it was probably some but it was already i thought i'd move to the big city it was uh when i moved to dallas well i remember fort worth was 250 000. i think we were 500 000.
it was nothing it was it was like but to me i came from galveston with 60 000 people which is still 60 000 people so it's interesting yeah it is it hasn't grown much no yeah so what's an island can't grow too much but and i still have caroline and she loves it but she's not jewish so it's okay yeah yeah um i know your family has grown exponentially so okay tell me what are you the most proud of that you can think of at this point i'm proud of my husband i'm proud that i got to live in dallas and i have three kids
and three girls and now i have four grandsons and two granddaughters so they're all good and you know they make me happy and everybody's proud to i'm just proud to be living in dallas texas at this time if someone's i i did a questionnaire the other day and it said would you would rather have lived in the past or in the future oh i want to live in the future you would want to oh yes i want to see what's going to happen what do you see happening here oh it just keeps growing and growing and growing i just wish that it was more growing
in dallas but we've gotten so expensive to live in dallas and our schools are bad that's just the name of the game the best schools i mean i'm not supposed to say that but the best schools are just mediocre and it's private schools are outrageously expensive and so people move here and they move out north but and now it's still the hub is still jewish if you want to be jewish in dallas i feel you have to live in dallas but that people don't think that they think but it's hard and it's hard when you live out there the j's here the shules are here
i mean they've got little shoals they've got little ones but they don't have you know that's how we started out though smaller yeah all of our synagogues were not so big either when you moved here right well no no no that's true and that's where we belong and sheriff was big and my family all belonged to here but my husband belonged to temple so that's why we joined temple right it was fun it was good those years oh the temple is i go to the hartman class there last night and the temple is like a jcc without a pool it's gigantic it's fabulous yeah it
is all our shows are good yeah the growth has been incredible it it has been wonderful so do you have anything else you'd like to wrap it up and tell us at all any any fun story anything i've just loved living here i like uh i think people are very nice and i think the growth is is going to be incredible in the next you know 10 years the only thing that comes with that is traffic yeah and we've seen it don't i don't know if everybody's seen it so far just just even since christmas and it's still trafficking yeah but that's that's the price
you've had i know it's not a good price but it's the price that's right that's right well thank you marilyn very much i appreciate you guys thank you for asking me sure