Max Landsberg
Max Landsberg was born in 1882 in a small town near Lublin, Poland, and was raised in the larger city of Lublin. He came from a long line of cabinetmakers; both his father and grandfather practiced the trade, and Max learned it as a boy, knowing his craft by age 15 and working in Warsaw by 17. The oldest boy among six children, he was close to his parents. He left Poland, then under Russian control, to avoid conscription into the Russian army. His sister had married a man who settled briefly in Dallas, which is how Max came to arrive there in 1914 after landing at Galveston on a British ship.
In Dallas, Max attended night school, where he met Roe Heckman, a young woman who had come to the city with her mother and younger brother, Philip. After courting for about three and a half years, they married in 1918 at her brother's home on Pocahontas Street, in a ceremony performed by Reverend Fromm. The couple raised three children, a daughter named Lena and two sons known as Sonny and Jerry, and lived in the same South Dallas home on South Harwood for nearly 39 years, near the Colonial School their children attended. Max and Roe were married nearly 62 years, and at the time of the interview he had many grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
Max found work in a Dallas cabinet shop within months of arriving and became a foreman after just three months. He later opened his own cabinet shop on East Elm in the Deep Elm area, building storefronts, showcases, and fixtures for individual stores and drugstores, and he continued working until age 82. He and his family belonged to Shearith Israel, and later to a synagogue in the Forest area and to Temple Emanuel. He was active in the Arbeter Ring (Workmen's Circle), whose members enjoyed cultural events and sick benefits. He recalled Dallas's early open streetcars, its kosher butcher shops, the Sanger Brothers store, and encounters with the Ku Klux Klan, for whom he unknowingly built a barbershop and a secretary's storefront.
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This is Monday, September 28, 1987. This is Rose Biederman of the Dallas Jewish Archives. I'm speaking with Mr. Max Landsberg. Well, I am Max Lindbergh. I came to this country in 1914. Where did you come from? March the 8th. March the 8th. And I came from Lublin, Poland. Were you born in Lublin? I was born in a small town that called it Velenic. And I was raised up in Lublin, Poland. Was Lublin a large city? Lublin was a much bigger city than I found in Dallas. I came to the United States and I arrived in British ship in Galveston, Texas, straight to Dallas, and I'm still here in Dallas.
And I was here about 11 months, and I started to go to night school, and I met a young lady named Roe Heckman. Heckman? Heckman. She only was 16 years old. and I seen, watched this girl, we met in night school. Where was the night school? The night school was on Karen State. Was it in a school? It was a public school. Uh-huh. But they teach night school Yeah And since then I won this girl and I bet we were going together for three and a half years before we married. We got married in Dallas. What year did you get married? 1918. Do you remember who married you?
Mr. Fromm. You remember him? I remember. Yes, he was a cousin. A cousin in Sherrod, Israel. But he was the finest man at the DCP. knew we wanted him to marry us and we got married in my wife's brother's house on what they called it the street, Pohanton Street. Oh, Pohanton Street, all right. You heard about it. Sure. What was your wife's brother's name? Philip Heckman. That's right. He wasn't here longer than that. My wife came here with her mother and her younger brother and her. and we met in high school and I seen this girl is for me. And when we got married, we had that sex.
We were very, very pleased to one another and if my wife would be living only two more weeks, we would have been married 62 years. Oh, mom. Well, you certainly had a long life together. And we raised a daughter and two sons God bless him What are the names of your children Huh? The names of your children. My daughter's name is Lena. She married her old child. Lena, her old child, she... Her husband, she lost him. about 10 or 11 years ago. And God bless her, she... They had three children, two daughters and a son. My daughter, God bless her, she has nine grandchildren. Oh, wow.
And I have... My daughter and two sons, 15 grandchildren. 15 grandchildren. Now, my youngest grandson is three weeks old. Oh, my. This is the 15th grandson. 15th grandson. Do you have any great-grandchildren? Great-great-children. This is the 15th great-grandchildren. Oh, my. That's wonderful. And I have my oldest granddaughter, 38 years old. Wow. And she has three boys. God bless them. Beautiful boys. and my oldest great-grandson is 17 years old and my granddaughter, God bless her Ruthie, my younger son's daughter she is 20 years old my granddaughter Now you said your daughter's name is Lena what are the names of your sons? My son name my oldest son we call him Sonny And my younger son we call him Jerry and they have wonderful all of them God bless them all of them healthy wonderful children and so the great grandchildren God bless them very lovely enormous children Well, that's wonderful.
Yeah. And when I came to Dallas in 1940, I worked in a cabman shop. Who did you work for? I worked for I worked for what they called the boss was he a Jewish no in German well that's alright but I worked in cabinet shops in Dallas for three and a half years Then I opened my own cabinet shop and I did lots of construction work in Dallas, built nice storefronts, built for the stores, store fixtures, showcases. I made anything a person called out of wood help me. Did you learn this trade in Europe? I came here when I was in Dallas three months. In this department where I worked, building showcases, I became a foreman.
Oh. Only three months in Dallas. I didn't need to learn the trade in the United States. I came here. I knew my trade. My daddy was a cabinetmaker. I see. And his daddy was a cabinetmaker. Oh. So you learned, you grew up? I grew up at this place. When I was 15 years old, I already knew my business. And when I was 17 years old, I worked in Warsaw, Poland. And in Dallas, I did this work till I was 82 years old. I still were working. My goodness. And I didn't feel I could quit yet. But my wife, we loved each other very much. And she got sick.
And the children and I, we wanted her to give her help. with somebody, she didn't want anybody else but Mac. So you helped her. And now, thank God, I'm 95 years old. You just had a big birthday party. And I just, the children just provided for me beautifully. And I loved the, of course. Uh-huh, that's very, very nice. What year were you born? 1882. 1882. My goodness. I want to ask you just a little bit about your life in Poland, in Lublin. I know that it was a large city, and I read that it was a Jewish center. Val was nice Jewish thing, Jewish butchers, and he had nice shoes there.
And the right thing down there my father and his father They were very hard to do people very very nice people I'll have to say it myself, but that's the truth. Did you have a Jewish education when you were young? Yes, I used to go to Yiddish Haide and Lublin there. And of course I was small, I started Haide, still in a small town in Belgiets. But I came to Newt to Lulon, he moved. And I was a little older and already started doing the work, helped my dad. Because we were six children. I see. And I was the oldest boy. And I was, I liked my dad, my mother too.
I liked my daddy very much. Now he wanted to help. Why did you leave? Why did you leave Poland? Well, it's history by that. I left Poland because Poland and Poland, Russia controlled Poland. In Poland, we used Russian money. All the police in Poland were Russians. the courts for Russians. They called it Poland. Now, Poland is much bigger than it used to be. And they are under still Russian control. But they have a president and a vice president but the same as the United States And they had their own army They didn have them And we used to be shoppers. We used to go to shul, when they read the theory between the the czar's picture hung on the front of the pulpit and when they got through reading the theory a captain from the police came in and watch if they're making a mishpia for Nikolai, the head of Russia.
And if they didn't, they arrested the rabbis. I see. And of course a mishpia accused him. And they called this Paul. And when I came to Dallas, you ask, is this way. My daddy was in the Russian Army. He was in Poland, but the Army had to go to Russia. That took the Polish, Jewish, non-Jewish, and sent them to deep Russia. The Russians, the Kazakhs, the 7th Poland. That's what it is. I see. So he was in the army and invaded three of them. He didn't want me to go to this kind of army in Russia. So that's why I came here. Why did you come to Dallas?
Did you have relatives in Dallas or in Texas? Well, that's something, a question I'll tell you. My sister got married about six months before I left you And her husband was living in Warsaw, of course. And he was living in Dallas six months. and why he came to Dallas I guess the way they corrected my very Texas is a a new country at a time so it's a good prospects and opportunities in a country like that. So he came here. And that's why I landed in Dallas. Of course, I met his brother-in-law. And he didn't like Dallas. So I was left all by myself in Dallas.
He moved to New York. I see. But you stayed. And that was bad. I remained, and still I would keep on going to high school. And I wanted the life which I had. And that's where it was. And that's it. I know you've seen a lot of changes in Dallas from the time you came. Yes. Dallas, when I came to Dallas, was a streetcar, open streetcar. It wasn't even doors. and the government operated was two Switgars, one they called South Belt, the other Switgars called North Belt. A South Belt and a North Belt. South Belt and North Belt. And the fair was on the So on a Sunday we were three or four Yiddish boys.
We had nothing else to do. Wasn't too much activities in Dallas. So we took a ride. We took a sad Dallas. Sad, bell, sweet car. We were going around halfway in Dallas. Then before we got down, we asked for a transport. We got a note bell. So for a nickel, we rode around the whole city. And the whole city consists 10 miles over. Oh, my. This was Dulles section. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Now, 100 miles around is still Dulles. You mentioned that you were married by Reverend Fromm. You mentioned you were married by Reverend Fromm. Reverend? At your brother-in-law's home. That's right. Was there a shul then when you came?
Well, sure. There were more shuls than this now. was a shared Israel and deferred Israel and a Romanian issue and was one conservative temple. Oh, the Temple Emanuel. The Temple Emanuel. Reform. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's what I found. And business was Senge brothers, which they said was two brothers. They came to this country, I believe in Germany. Right, you're right. And they were peddling the drivers Then they opened up a store in Vaco This was the store Poison Then they moved to Dallas They had a wholesale department and a retail department That's right. You don't remember that. No, but I've read that. Did you do any work for Sangers?
Did you build any fixtures for them? Well, no, they were settled because they had their own cabinet child. And it was a Harrison Company. And then it was a shoe store, Volks. Volks. and broke over a shoe store. And after I started business for myself, I've been lots of pictures for individual stores and for drug stores. Where was the location of your store when you opened your own business? been out of my own business was in 25, 26 something, East Elm. East Elm, okay. In Deep Elm. What we call Deep Elm? What? The area that was called Deep Elm? East Elm. East Elm, okay. East Elm.
Okay. Were there a lot of saloons in that area? Were there saloons? Oh, yes. Well, saloons was lots of places. Saloons was in Allen Street, Allen on Main Street, and Fletchman's store. It was in the same street where Sanger Brothers, South Lamar. What was that store again? South Lamar No what was the store Did you say Fleischmann Fleischmann Who was that Well they had also a saloon and sold liquor And the liquor wasn't in bottles like it is now. They had on the bar behind there a bell with whiskey. if you wanted a whiskey they had bottles and they sat down from this bell oh they would fill it and then you called the whiskey came out of the same bell oh that's interesting and such a thing was no radios no televisions.
What did you do for entertainment besides ride the street car? Well, later in years, we organized ourselves a club that called it Albert Green, I've heard of it. When was that organized? Do you remember? Well, this arbitrary workman cycle was in New Year already a good while. But they came here, it was the air branch of the main office. Right. It was in New York. But do you remember what year it organized in Dallas? Or about what time? Well, I came here. This Harvard ring was also already here in 1914. I don't know exactly. It was a very, very small group. Do you remember who was in it when you came?
Yeah, we had a Rodnitsky. You heard of it. You know Marshall Rodnitsky? Right yes There was another Lensburg he called himself Abe Lensburg he was here A relation to you? No. Well, we didn't know it, but my father used to say, all the Lensburgs in Europe figure they are from old families. But I didn't know. I was born. We met here and used to be a member of Joe Myers. Was that member? You heard that? and there's a president of several of them and Jake Shapiro was a member over the later years We bought a lot in the building, under the name of the Arbitering, and we organized, wasn't too much activities, and that we organized once a year.
Yes, but they come to the bazaar and I have to make boots and all kinds of activities, and we brought down to Dallas to New York, you know, actors, they had you know shows, and such a nice section. Now they also had a school. And then years later, the other also in the office, a Yiddish teacher. And he's writing the Jewish . Had it right. It was just Yiddish, reading and writing. Any Hebrew? Hebrew too. Hebrew too. Okay. And my daughter, God bless her, she still remembers to write something in English. Oh, that's wonderful. his uncle his uncle Bernard Gruber did have a saloon here and he had a very fine reputation I've been told yes he was a nice man and shared this room oh really now when you came here in 1914 he already had a saloon?
Yeah. Do you know? The Yannick's had saloons. The Yannick's had saloons. Anyone else you remember? Any other Jewish people who had saloons when you came? Well, Lady Sigal opened the saloons. Sigal. Uh-huh. Which now, his sons, his sons have been dickiest over it you know it I believe your brother worked for sickles you're right you're right did you know my uncle I knew your uncle I knew your father I knew your brother your mother very much and this brother I knew, I believe he had two brothers, I don't remember exactly. Well, I had three brothers. Three brothers. But this brother I knew I got trained with him when he worked for Sickles.
I see. Do you know why my uncle came to Dallas? No, I don't. I'm this now. Okay. But Yannick's, there were two brothers. They both were partners. They were partners? Yeah. Did you belong to any shul after you got married? Well yes I later of course I came here to Dallas on a Sunday morning And the following week, on Friday, my brother-in-law was here already a few months. We were going to share the show. Where was that located? Where was the show? In Jackson Street. And there they moved to Park Avenue, City Park. Right. How did you come to Dallas? On the train? From Galveston?
Yes, ma'am. From Galveston, I got up down there. one evening took us a whole night to travel to Dallas I arrived here on a Sunday morning yeah were there any kosher butcher shops when you came to Dallas what was the Jewish life like when you came here much much more more Jewish in Tizna everything and most 95% of the Jewish people kept kosher because it was butchers, butcher shops and they killed the cattle in Dallas and the place where they killed all the animals. It was very, very lovely, everything. A person, if he wanted to keep kosher, was no hardship. It is not. Did Fromm already have a kosher butcher shop then?
At the time, oh yeah. Were there any other kosher butcher shops? There was two three of them already When you came Oh yeah Do you remember who it was Well it was a fellow by the name Schwarz had a butcher shop. Golden had a butcher shop. The others are, I can't recall right. I can't say the names, but I remember who it was. Three or four butcher shops at a time already. and later there was still more and was a shurkh and the rabbis controlled the kosher business which now those rabbis were nice people but now consider it was a kosher business. They seem to it to be everything kosher.
Which now the rabbis are mixing with kosher a bit. Why did you join the Arbiter ring? Were you interested in the social life? The thing is like that. I didn't know anything else. The Arbeth ring was a member who paid very small dues, and they had the benefit. The person got sick. It wasn't too much money, but at the time it was $6 a week, sick benefit. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, that's interesting. Uh-huh. Did your children go to the Orba Tereng school? Just Lena. Just Lena, uh-huh. The others, going just to Hebrew school. What Hebrew school? Well from the Sherith Israel Oh Sherith Israel okay Hebrew school Did you remain a member of Sherith Israel No I was a member of Sherith Israel and we, while I was living in South Wales, only two blocks away from me, they built a shoe in Forest, you remember that.
they called it the I was a member there and I liked the the services in the temple me and my wife they liked it we used to go there and still we were members in the other two Jews And later I would be delighted to become members in the Temple of Men's in South Dallas. Where did you live? You said you would live two blocks from Guttasak. Where did you live in South Dallas? I was living on South Harwood. Crossed from the grade school. Crossed the street was Colonial School. All my three children went to this. Colonial School. Do you remember when you moved to that address?
Yes. In 1919. Oh. Above the house down there. I see. moved in when the black people took over South Dallas I still had years and I had my shop in Nellum Street when Hoover became president of the United States it was very hard times and it was hard for me to pay the rent at this building in Nellon Street. And I had a big D plot on my, on my, on my heart. I got an apartment, built me a building, and I moved my shop right in the back of my house, which was H and T and C Railway. Then later in years, they built the North Central Express.
That was Central Express. In fact, I sold to the city some 37 feet up there, and for the side road. I did sell that, and I had to move my shop a little bit deeper. Were there any other organizations that Jewish people joined for social or religious clubs? It was the Bernie Brit. Then he used to get a Jewish paper from New York. And in Dallas was already the morning news. In the time, we used to have a paper. I don't know if you remember. We used to call it... I used to take this paper, too. I think the dispatch something like that do you remember any problems in Dallas with the KKK the Ku Klux Klan Oh yeah oh yeah What do you remember Well I remember that much The Ku Klux Klan, they were against Jewish people and blacks.
And they didn't care much for you for the Catholics. and happens when I was in business for myself a fellow had a a men's clothing store and he wanted to build a store from the lumber which I bought in the lumber yard They told him, if you want an honest contractor, a man that'll do you a good job, call Max Lindbergh. And I built him a nice storefront. And guess what? He was the secretary of the Q-force plan. then another Q clerk Lee he had a barbershop downtown and he heard I made a good job for Roy Finberley he was the secretary so he didn't pay attention I was a farmer and he gave me the job, and I built a 12 chair barber shop.
And he called it the barber shop he named Lee Barber Shop And so he knew I Jewish So he told me Max if you got some enemy you want to get even with him, let me know. So he asked me, I asked the guy, said I'm a policeman with a few clerks and I made his job so I told him I haven't got no enemies and nobody to be punished which I could say did he pay you? oh yeah for the country so there was no problem even though they were KKK no not a bit but this clothing store which I built in the front of Main Street clothes of Eckert on Eckert Street site he bought at least he wanted to build a new front just like got the mainstream.
So the QCOLS plan was forbidden to give the job to a farmer. And I didn't get it. So you didn't get that? No. I see. And the other is, I myself, I didn't have no difficulties between those people. They liked my work and they paid me. That's very interesting. I was lots more to talk about that. That it Did you ever have any problems with discrimination because you were Jewish Did you ever have any No I tell you we been living inside our same house something like 39 years in the same house We had very little Jewish neighbors. and nobody complained. I had my shop in my backyard, and I didn't disturb people.
I didn't use machinery and light to disturb anybody. If I had something to do with this finished work, I never had any trouble with any neighbors. And yet South Dallas was considered a Jewish area. Well, the most of it was in Forest Avenue, South Boulevard, Grand Avenue. And then they came in and built up. This was fields here. Park, no, not Park. What do they call this? Park Road. anyway I've seen dollars growing and growing still till today from one month or another it's more buildings from dollars and there's no limit how deep they go right