Meyer Denn
Meyer Denn came from families that immigrated to America around the turn of the 20th century. His mother, Gertrude Estelle Rosenzweig, was born in Houston in 1923, and her family traced back to Lublin, Poland, with relatives who settled in Richmond, Rosenberg, and Houston, Texas. His father, Sidney Denn, was born in Bay City in 1924; that side of the family came from Galicia and Slovakia in the former Austro-Hungarian Empire, arriving through Galveston and settling largely in Wharton, Texas, in November 1920. The extended family was very large and closely tied, working chiefly in dry goods and grocery businesses. His father and uncles later built a successful sporting goods business in Bay City that grew from army-navy surplus into a leading store along the Texas Gulf Coast.
Denn grew up in Bay City, one of the last of a generation in a small but vibrant Jewish community whose center was the Sheerith Israel congregation in Wharton. He recalled Sunday school, youth activities, potluck Shabbat gatherings at the Beth David Center, and proudly sharing Jewish holidays through show-and-tell at school. Active in leadership from a young age, he was elected to the Bay City City Council in 1981 at age 18, believed to be among the youngest elected officials of his time. He briefly attended Carnegie Mellon University to study acting before returning to Texas, earning a degree in history with a minor in Jewish studies from the University of Texas, including a semester and a half at Hebrew University in Jerusalem. A fascination with family genealogy, sparked by an old photograph and a recording of his namesake grandfather, deepened his connection to Jewish continuity.
After college, Denn moved to Los Angeles, where he spent about twenty years with a five-year period in Israel. He became executive director of the Pacific Jewish Center, whose synagogue was the Bay City Synagogue on the Venice Boardwalk, working alongside figures such as Rabbi Daniel Lapin and Michael Medved, and connecting with the Emanuel Streisand School community. In Israel he worked for the Jewish Agency's budget and finance department and became a licensed tour guide. He married Marnie, a preschool teacher, in 2003, and later earned graduate degrees in education, nonprofit management, and Hebrew literature. In July 2008 he came to Dallas as director of the Center for Jewish Education, serving for ten years and helping reshape the community's educational landscape around his motto of learn Jewish, think Jewish, do Jewish. At the time of the interview, he and his family were preparing to explore living in Israel.
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yes today is Thursday June 21st 2018 i'm joe wrangled and i'm interviewing mayor den for our oral history archives good afternoon mayor how are you thank you tell me a little bit about your family what you remember or what you know about your grandparents and your parents where they lived where they grew up etc I was born in Bay City Texas on August 15 1962 my parents were Sydney Dan and Gertrude Estelle roses so I yeah my father was also born in Bay City on April the 6th 1924 and my mother was born in Houston on June 23rd 1923 both sets of families came to
America the end of the 19th century beginning the 20th century both had numerous siblings and the eldest sibling is the one who came here first and then sort of set up roots and then sent for each of the other siblings to come over some mother's family the family came from Lublin or Lublin in Poland which is Russia Poland my Uncle Harry rosensweig came and settled in the city of Richmond Texas around 18 19 1999 1901 someone in that time frame thank to 1900 and he sent for his wife around 1900 1901 so he must come before I can know what's going on that 1899 1900
except for her making no one and she came with one of his brothers his younger brother and it came with two children as a matter of fact one of those children Erin rosensweig is the great-grandfather of in Dallas here you're easily rosensweig family here knows my family this is this is um do you know Carol rosin mm-hmm okay Carol rosin okay Carol rosin is is a is a second cousin to me her grandfather was Uncle Harry who brought the rest of us over and then the other one that's also a second cousin no her mother is a second cousin is just a second she's on
the Federation board and she there's a she was the president of temple manual about two presidents ago who could that have been hmm it'll come to me in a little bit I'll think of it I can come back so so there were Lucy four siblings it was Harry there was the second one was was Sadie the sister she married a man named Max Baer and bellman Houston that this one was my grandfather Meyer and then the youngest was Louie Rosen's wife and each of them settled in Houston with the Tiffin of Harry whose Rosenberg Richard Rosenberg and the the two of the brothers Meyer and
Louie worth the grocery business in Houston and Harry was in the Dragons business and he had about eight eight or nine kids and eventually said into the kids up in a dry goods business around throughout South Texas so there were Rosen Flags stores in my town conveys the affection of a city where I'm from but but our family Bay City was not so connected to my family my father's family so much so that's my mom's family she she came from family of about the city where there were four brothers and one sister she was the baby the oldest was 21 years older than her so
there's quite a gap in eight and that's my mother's family my they came to Galveston my father's family were frontward from his father was from town called Cortina Kor CZ y la Cortina they called it a discord chained in Galicia which was the southern part of the austro-hungarian higher it was a mansion in the southern province today it's in South southern Poland the Blitz is divided into two parts today it's southern Poland on one side and those have some Western Western Ukraine it's just that it's cut in to today so he was from the Polish area right near the border with Slovakia in Slovakia the
town was also an Austrian Empire but they consider themselves ethnic Hungarian type of people and my grandma Joe you'd want to go to my grandmother was that's on one side of the border on the glitzy inside the Polish side my grandmother was born just a little village troops at the last village of the border before you cross them to Poland to Galicia called Church isn't it and that was in Slovakia or Czechoslovakia or that hungry and my grandparents names my father's name was Joe Tehan and my grandmother's name was blima or Bertha Schwing ler and they she was not he was one of five kids
I believe for four to be four kids was the baby was a baby and she was also the baby one of like five sisters one brother and my grandfather his older his older brothers came to America 1901 was in New York and he had two siblings it remained behind in Europe and died in Europe my grandmother was a baby he came over and was was brought a team in Texas and my grandmother had an older brother and five sisters the oldest brother's name was Joe Schwartz he changed the name from swindler to Schwarz because people business don't want to do business with a swindler so
his grandson Joe Schwartz prints on his Fred Zeidman Fred Zeidman is was was recently the the President Bush appointed to be the chair of the u.s. Holocaust Commission so he was the head of the Holocaust Commission Museum in Washington and he's also very active in his drop bonds Houston and any of Israeli a pack of those kind of things is reactive in that so Joe Schwartz he had two daughters one was Zeidman varied assignment a little buried a waddler the water over the water fail in Houston and their son water son he was the the concertmaster used to philharmonic orchestra for I don't know how many Houston Symphony for decades and so Joe Schwartz his daughter married Paul Wagner which is our first cousin and so there's a lot of connection there
as well I don't know if you know the Luhrmann's here in Dallas there's two brothers Mark Lerman and Melvin Lerman they're both doctors they are children rachel of the waters they work the mother was owada and they were there my second husband's as well let's see so one daughter married a Wadler they did important they came from New York who settled in more than that you had another daughter married a Christ Dean I was a sister of my grandmother Christ Dean another one married a Goldmann they lived in a city and there was one sister and Rosie married the donenfeld David to New York so
once the tune of New York all the other siblings lived important and in Bay City my grandmother Mary Jo Dee in a little basically she was Amy and a lot of them most of them came up through Galveston know that matter came to New York all over give you know two trains train from from New York okay yeah yeah and there was there was a break from around 1908 to 1920 when my grandmother came the sisters before her if he 1908 or 1907 I guess and there was a break in time through the baby and there was the war in between World War one and
then my grandfather was in the austro-hungarian army in World War one and that ended with 1918 and 1920 they came to Aragon November 1920 the SS Olympic sailed in New York and they took the train down hmm all that side of em came to the TV okay yep every big family it sounds like lots of cousins lots of aunts and uncles that it's Robert a very very close family in there's no community in Bay City and in Wharton our our soul was in Wharton Texas it was a 20 mile drive from Bay City and the shul important was called sheriff Israel congregation conserved the communities
of Bay City Wharton El Campo Edna lashes a few small towns in that area but Wharton was the seat of the Jewish community so whenever you had my wallet for example you had dosa and I hit as old came to work the stablish a toss a 19-15 she came herself there and the story was that she would assist in the Galveston and they were not interested in sign is Amer and they told her there's a little town a wagon it'll take you to get half a day to get there from Houston and maybe they'd be interested in she did come to work and she came
and stayed with my great-aunt I'm Hannah crank steam state neuron and [Music] she-she that evening all the juice and all the settlements came to work then they heard her speak about this new idea of Zionism and what it meant in Palestine used in Palestine and they established the first two Dossett they called a circle they didn't call chapters they called circles and they mean ten women and established us at home they only had seven women doing it took three of the little girls one being B Zeidman another one being margin Ida that's what this is Wadler and one little girl from El Campo and together
seven women they established the first an office are called it's amazing story yeah and they tell me little girls I knew them and they used to tell me about the memory of imidazole when she came and I found them there was they have a letter from 1939 and it was a handwritten letter and it said here it is old Jerusalem Palestine and I was a handwritten of the date it said to my to the Wharton chapter of NASA they sent her a telegram on the 25th anniversary Palestine I said we want to congratulate you on our 20th anniversary and she outlines in that letter her
memories of coming by wagon to Wharton and how all the girls in the school and she remembered that she remembered this women dances and then you know then it didn't admit you know welcome to stranger your homes now it means you know it was a very beautiful letter she wrote about it there's no record anyway any biography as old as she was ever there really because I have records of her coming here and establishing the chapter and meeting at shared Israel here in Dallas but that was about 1917 oh so she did wharton first before that Wow but there's no way any biography or anything
that's interesting maybe I can find something so that the family was it was in in in the ward in Bay City family were in dry goods Uncle Joe schwarcz became the most prosperous dragons merchants Wharton and he as a missionary before he sent money for each of the siblings to come to America instead of them helps up a business and everything and he was dry goods the others were also in dry goods one was a shoemaker my without into the grocery business and started off being in food business is important there was everybody here and working it didn't make it and they not an opportunity
to buy a grocery store in Bay City and they did and that's anyone I had an another and Esther Goldman and she and her hasn't started the store basically also was your dad involved in that business that's real good not that time they they they my dad wouldn't the supporting his business he created a he and his brothers went to business together in Bay City after the war they came back okay said they were in Sporting Goods they were sporting they actually started off with the art army navy army navy surplus business was a lot of surplus goods after the war and then we bought
very cheap and I have actually video of he and his brothers before they all passed away that telling their story about how they wouldn't the business and how they you know the whole story but it's very interesting because at that time the army-navy surplus business was very there was a lot of goods there was a lack of goods in America in America at the time and so they they went about a thousand dollars worth of merchandise is used to a big truck and started loading it and coming back to Bay City and everywhere unloading it people were running because the day all new the dead
boy they were running from do parts to him what do you got who got I don't know tools and second-hand clothes on and as they were unlucky enough truck people were buying they were just doing numbers prices out at them okay that's five dollars that's two dollars before they could get it unloaded they'd already sold everything went back with the profit they made they bought two or three more loads and incan so my my my Esther Goldman was was a divorcee she divorced like in 1927 and so she was a second mother to my father and his she had no children to my father my
uncle's in my hand and so she had her store him up in a block down the road my parents had their store she had more of a general store story and so what she said to them was look you know take take this corner of the store and bring the merchandising no we will start a little business there but by the second third day fourth day is they're taking up one more space and she's okay look just here do it in the middle is bored I'll take this half of the story you take half after support within a matter of a few months is it
okay take the whole thing I'll retire she got out we should give them business okay so they business started took off really well and they were very and they built a very very profitable business it evolved from army-navy you know guns ammunition fishing tackle fishing supplies rods and reels and it evolved into a full line sporting goods store and actually the sporting goods industry was not a well-established industry before this time and they rolled as the industry evolved they were on the forefront of evolving that business and it became us all of the Gulf Coast of Texas most people do that the name of that
that business did brother Sporting Goods did your parents stay in Bay City their lives so my mother girl who used to she loved getting useful she wore a city girl and would my dad and mom met my mother's a pianist and she used to perform on the radio she you know was part of an all-girls band and things this world war ii era and she still on weddings for people friends getting married and people she knew an estimate to play the wedding she would and she happened to play a piano and my my father's brother's wedding and before the wedding she can find a mother
to come to the rehearsal dinner she says listen my brother my husband as a brother like you to me and she met my dad and so that that was a march of 46 with imperative to avoid six good off and she didn't mind moving to being in a smaller small said she did not love a city and and my father promised her that they would eventually move back to Houston and they had their 50th wedding anniversary they were still in Bay City my mom said he knows that he always promised are you gonna move back to Houston because you know what I like this is
used to say I have one more piece of property I mean one more move by all of these properties about six feet by three feet it's important Texas that's my next movement amazing two months later he made a move yeah my parents had a similar story my father kept promising my mother she could go back to Brooklyn didn't happen anyway they the first year of their various into the New Orleans I had my mother's brother lived in New Orleans had a very successful business in New Orleans and he hired my father to come to work for him there and they described that years a year
long honeymoon in New Orleans and they would have stayed but my father's brothers came back to Bay City and we're going into business and I've mentioned you how they put the business over the first year they just grown and grown and I said we need some more capital right they called my father this book we always talked about his kids going biz together would you come back to Bay City and my father puts my uncle in New Orleans is it look you know is there a future for me here can i buy part of the business the money look I've had a partner before and
as long as you work for me you're gonna get a great salary I will take care of you really want but and I don't have one any partners my father's of a lot of things up with opportunity they move back to Bay City it makes sense yeah so you grew up there I grow basically what was your high school what were your high school years like what what's memorable to you high school I was always like into into leadership I always wanted to be you know sort of like whenever I joined a club I've always had to be the president of love I like that
it was enjoyable look I grew up by the time I came along they were probably when I was a little kid probably about 25 to 30 families Jewish families in Bay City and when I was younger the same before 1970 there were probably about 12 thousand citizens of a city about sighs it was work was always smaller than base and he probably got closer to ten thousand nine thousand there are a few more Jews in wardens and then we're at Bay City probably about 35 40 families in Boardman about 25 30 families of Bay City and then in Ocampo probably 10 to 12 families and
then I'd know one or two families three families by the time I came along I was at the end of the generation so I was the bait I was last the baby boomers I was born in 62 and so all my brothers older brothers and their cut and all my cousins and their friends if one time was a very vibrant young community we had the MTA chapter and of the young Stars of David and we every Sunday and we go to work with Sunday school it's all important and afterwards they'd have a yong-gi meetings and activities and stuff we had a Jewish community hall of
a city called the Beth Davis Center and that would be there for Friday night services what we do have like a Friday night Leyland services and we have a potluck supper once a month we have a gathering of social gathering all Jewish community there and it was a very warm community anybody hugged and kissed him and there were cousins and if they weren't cousins they were almost cousins to have a thing you know people were also big family and at the holidays time when we go to shul in Wharton all the people all the kids and we've gone away in college or had gone away
to move they'd always come back services were always you know initial Sunday schools Sunday school we go and I'm we had a little flag pole in the center of the property and we come out and Sunday school with all those to be circled on a flagpole and the grace that's really flag the American flag and sing high tech financing you know the star-spangled banner was a very scientists community back to Bay City so by the time I came along I was doing the last of the Mohicans and so while there were no other Jewish kids in the school system I was very proud of being
Jewish and so we'd have show-and-tell it was my turn I would always bring it would be Hanukkah time I bring a menorah everything a lot Mambo make my clock cos and bring them to school in the kids would just tape block this I tell all about them or paste that time would be matzah or you know apples in honey roast at a time or you know I always bring things that were share that that was for me very exciting I'm assuming they were or did you feel any anti-semitism at all it was not over into acceptance ISM meaning what I mean by that is people
would say things that were anti-semitic but had no reason no no no they didn't know why they why don't they didn't know why I'm wearing to submit to say say somebody like let me chew you down on this thing you know they had no clue why they were saying that word it's just that they'd always heard that so I would you call it a cynicism I'm not sure you could say the anti-semitism because I don't know that they said it because they knew what it meant why the word you wouldn't connect meaning being in being something cheap so there was no cruelty attached to it
no that's what I mean so people say that's anti-semitic well maybe the words right stomach but I don't think the intention behind it makes Semitic so what I remember I let my cousin tell him I first cut tell me she went to Sunday school one time with one of the girls in school and she said that they they were all held hands and danced a circle that said the Jews killed Christ the Jews killed Christ is putting over something like that but I didn't experience that and now let's hear people pinching pennies and saying here Jew is some pennies for you something that I didn't
see that I didn't experience that but I heard about that I can't I was always elected that didn't hit me that way and where did you go to college I went to college the first college I went to is Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh that was interested coming in at an actor I want to be in acting and I I realized when I got there that there were other kids who were more talented than me and it got me scared when I was a big fish in a little pond and I was like the lead actor I've got all the awards for acting and everything
and I was feeling pretty confident pretty secure when I got there and I saw that you're not getting near stage to your senior year you're not gonna you're gonna be putting makeup you're gonna be doing building steps you're gonna do I was when I bought into so I in Carnegie Mellon was a very hard and up audition to get there great audition for a company Julliard Carnegie Mellon and the American Academy of Dramatic Arts and I got into both Carnegie Mellon and American Academy of Dramatic Arts and so I took Carnegie Mellon and was there for less than a year I was there for like
one semester no guys this is not what I want and I felt like I wanted more of us it's your life I didn't want you know actors Roiz filing camp filing files file cabinets they've already tables they were and the chances of success was so so minimal and I just that point that's you know what more secure than that so I went back to to Texas went back to Bay City and I had missed you know of course I couldn't go back to UT at that point so I had to the falls and WT so I was stuck in the spring without what to do
so I went to work on our family's business the sporting goods store and while I was doing that I'd always been very active in local politics and whenever a politician would come to town to run for office and to meet with the city fathers they wouldn't pull me into those meetings - when I was 10 11 12 it was I used to go pass out cars knock on doors pass that car so I was really very active a man and fiery red curly hair like an afro and very spry and very you know when I was in junior high was president student council and I'm
but we didn't have Coke machines in the school and the school across town did and I said if you let me I'm gonna coach you into the school you know and as a matter of fact what I did was I went to the principal we had a student government we passed the law and he went to him for a signature either passed at me but there he vetoed it and we passed the law through the legislature requesting coefficients you veto it I said okay no one had done this before listen I'm gonna meet with the superintendent of schools and I'm gonna see if I can
override your veto so I took a delegation of young students in our school school district building met had a formal meeting with the principal superintendent met with him and he issued a letter a few weeks later saying I've been her back the principal's decision not to do this that's a fine so that one more suggestion I'd like to be on the board of the school board meeting I like to be on the agenda first movie and I did and my presentation became a big on the newspapers front page in this paper the whole thing was told story and before they could give their decision the
principal resigned a Newport Spokane and the first thing be able to put a Coke machine and he called me to come you the first coke and I was going to high school the next I was going up so that was my first successful so that's kind of thing that I would do is is a so what happened now going back to when I was in-between Carnegie Mellon II went to UT a group of local citizens came to me and said we'd like you to run for mayor I was 18 and I said 18 years old Meier you know City right now we're in between right
now there's a difficult times it's going through you don't have any kind of political you know baggage you could really win and I said as I met with some other leaders I met with the head of the n-double a-c-p the head of LULAC other people that are I respected they said you know what why don't you run for City Council and and you get some experience and if you want affirm era for that you can run for mayor and I said people really both of me they said yeah I think that would be more vote for you I said well there's three positions coming over
one wouldn't want to run for there was a there was a Latino running there was a african-american running and there was a lady running that's right I'm afraid there was a lady running and the man the Anglo who's running was the head of the First Baptist Church who's the head deacon a big blob well you know and both in double-a-c-p and the Latinos said we can't support you if you run against the lady or the Latino but if you want to get Sam we'll put her our support behind you yeah they did I want oh so I served I was left with the City Council
of Bay City and 1981 at the age of 18 and I think at that time when he was elected official in state history I'll be in the whole country some kid Anaya was like 12 people in this city yeah anyway so how about remember I was a channel 11 on on the CBS News they newspapers and the Dallas I think Dallas Morning News did a story very fun night for two years I did that with the Wharton County Junior College during that time got my basics out of the way and then after that two-year period of being on City Council I I did not running
in and that's when I went back to school UT and I majored in history with a minor in Jewish Studies okay and for also for a semester at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem that time I was able to do that your abroad program I did it semester and a half and came back to finish my degree view team so after that did you end up here no yeah after that I graduated and I was going to go back to the family's business and I want I had a group people who want to be running for mayor another good wanted me to run for a state
representative and as a mistake representative the salary was like seventy five hundred dollars a year you can't do that to make a living I was gonna go to the family business and that type of money my father was a business with two brothers and the the they've been partners for 50 years and that they there was a sort of a sort of silent understanding they didn't want any other kids going to the business so it made it very difficult for me and eventually I decided well I'm not gonna stay here I had like a had a falling-out with my uncles and I didn't ever decided
when we're gonna go and had a brother living at that time in California and had a brother living in Israel before brothers in my family four brothers one of those those here in Dallas steeped in and so so my parents didn't want to see another brother Luna up in Israel so the brother in California won out and I went to spend time with him and I ended up be in LA for about twenty years with a five-year hiatus in Israel yeah so from 1986 to 1997 maybe she's 97 I was in Los Angeles and from 97 to 2001 I was in his room 2001 to
2007 I was in LA again so when I went to Los Angeles I had just graduated college my first job was working for us with Sporting Goods Osmonds jake hoffman and start of his first store in Bay City Texas our families were very good friends so when you need the business very well it was quite well yeah so when I went in Los Angeles they were very happy to get bring into management there but I really wasn't happy with that I didn't I didn't love I was a sportsman didn't love sporting goods if it would my own business ok but I really like doing I
joined Jewish Jewish things I enjoyed Jewish life I enjoyed stores in Los Angeles and now I'm working lunch on Fridays and Saturdays I don't have time to go didn't go to synagogue this Friday nights I'm working so my mother sent me an article in the NASA magazine that said the base city synagogue on the Venice Boardwalk she's a medical instance you're from Bay City and it's caught it was Bay City synagogue and Michael Bay videos yes so Michael David was the president of a cities into God and rabbi Daniel lapin was the rabbi near yeah and so whenever someone came into this door where I
was working and wearing a yarmulke I would tell the salespeople let me deal with them like I can sail so this guy comes in with a Bernie Goblin kind of beard looking at every couple of bicycles one sitting here and he said who's she talking with this and pocheon with this and shits in it with this and I looked at her I said who submissions are doing the consummate seeing the Christ of the shaft did he look because you're Jewish yeah I you know the Jewish yeah I did that come to my show you're from Texas they're gonna love you Yakima because that was the
same show that makes it he said Oh God so in there and it would like to meet but it was worth it us was modern for Modern Orthodox and that most of the people that were there came from similar madness to me conservative reform not so connected people had gone through the the the counterculture of the 60s and the 70s they tried Hindu and Buddha and everything and now they were coming back to really what is my own roots what is ready to be Jewish what does it mean and I realized it it was legal with every Shabbat people would go to people's homes and
never met before and have Shabbat meals and learned this special is a survivor so someone suggested they were looking for an executive director there they said we don't want to consider this young guy he's really funny he's he's in a comedy and I also had a strong Jewish families recognize me so they said well let's interview it so the interview me and they offered me the position as executive director it was opportunity to build something to grow something it wasn't so established before it was like they had an administrator there part-time and they never had a full-time executive director and the date could do fundraising
and they were doing you know outreach programming and education they had a school the Emmanuel Streisand school which is established by Barbara Streisand for her father and there was a lot of Hollywood types who were there then I worked with Elliott Gould and Steven Spielberg people like that so I took the job and did that for 10 years it was a very exciting time in my life what's the name of this vinaigrette it was called the Pacific Jewish Center and the synagogue was called the Bay City synagogue that have introduced all complicated situations in her but it really changed my life in that while the
organization itself was Orthodox membership in the synagogue was based on attending one class a week you could give $10,000 a years of membership or $50 a years of membership that didn't make you a member would make you a member was the participation in one education or class a week huh and so it's very different and it was it was also not a judgemental place where if you're gonna drive to my house don't don't come on Shabbat no it was very much in your own time your own growth pace and it allowed me over that 10-year period to become observant in my own terms taking on
what I wanted when I wanted to do it and it felt right to do it and it allowed me to really change my life I grew up in a conservative movement you know Judy a conservative movement and it it ated me as to where our roots are from and why it worked for me in the modern day day so were you still seeing with this married single single and dating and so that was a very profound experience in my life to work with someone like they all happen in Michael Medved and and to be exposed to to that brand of Judaism to strengthen my own
resolve and my own self-confidence that's who I am and what I believe so how was your journey to Israel how did that come about okay so so I had had two brothers who spent significant time on keyboards in Israel and my apartments per year my mother took me to get over Bar Mitzvah and that was my first experience in Israel and and so I always looked up to these brothers they they traveled to Israel they did a 3-month backpacking through Europe I'm gonna do that well know convey city your standard kid in Bay City had no interested in doing that they knew their little world
they were not drinking Bureau Friday night they were you know spending their money like that I was saving my money because I knew that that's what I wanted to do and I couldn't convince me these non-jewish friends to come with me come have his life and experience know so after I finished my City Council tour and I was always very very interested in my non-jewish history one way she's in the picture I'll show you this so what really got me excited about genealogy which is which is what sort of got me into Judaism was I always asked my grandparents questions about the villages the town
that came from and then everywhere to talk about it they just wondering if this weren't interested what is he asking these questions what does he hate button the hell he's got to know this stuff if they died they're gone or anybody even a letter let him rest in peace over there and I would go to the courthouse because the courthouse in fact Bay City and I'd pull out death certificates and my grandmother her father's name and her brother's name on there and the birth dates I was always interested in that well this aunt Esther this one who really gave my father his uncle model the
business know when she passed away she had no children and all the nieces and nephews came to her house to take the things they wanted the memories and things my father came home and had something behind his back he's and I brought them to videos of what they pulled this down I don't think the video we can hold it up close okay he pulled this picture out oh well it's beautiful okay you see it yeah that is Mordecai Mordecai swindler and apparel josephovich my great-grandpa's my grandmother's parents beautiful and I stood there looking at that photograph Nancy who are they who these people dance it
to see your great-grandparents what were their names my dad's I don't even know their names my pregnancies under the names but Papa it was his mother father ma they could tell you their name so he I started ask me what who were these people what would they know what were they all about and how do I looking like this wearing jeans how do I just simply this is only what forty years before and I was like ten years old nine years old when I saw this picture I was in love with his picture that first stimulated my excitement and then not long after that we
found a reel-to-reel interview that my uncle my mother's brother had done with his father in 1957 he was 80 and 57 so I still have this recording of his life telling his life story he was born in 1877 he's telling the story of his life and I hear the voice of the man that I'm named after but I've always told these stories about when I went to bed at night or when afternoon taken that my mom would not read storybooks she told me stories about her parents and her grandparents think she heard stories that's what I loved those kind of stories and that's what getting
excited so when I finished the count the City Council period I took that trip and then I went back to Czechoslovakia and Poland to go to the villages and I went back to these places where they were from and tied and during communist era when there was martial law in Poland at that time there was not a fit wasn't free was drinking during class knows what do they call it so dirty so dirty general desert near shell ski was the bush the premier and that one I saw was trying to get get into power everything tell me that's when I was there during that time
and communist KGB people were following me around I know they were following me out because I had a cousin that I found there and it took me all over these places and after I left he was brought in to the police station interrogated what was he doing with the American so so this genealogy part has a lot to LA a big part of this whole picture of what brought me to be so fascinated with Judaism and the continuity of Judaism why it's so important so I'm sorry jumping around trying to supplement our questions you're asking me here so now get back to the Jew was
I doing a Jewish Center so I saw this yeah as is the link to help other Jews come back to a more traditional or not women come back if their choice of whether to come back the point is is to what I came to understand was that it's fine if people reject Jewish tradition and Jewish law but at least knowing understand it and know what did you think no to right cuz it might be something it might just be something that might have value to you what is Shabbat you can say not all produces such a bond and you got to do this you can't
do this you can't well maybe those things you say you can't do maybe there's some can be you get to I mean you get to be with your family that you don't have time for the rest of the week you get to be disconnected from work you're gonna do every other seven days that six days of the week you get to you know maybe you're looking at it the wrong way maybe if you experience it so that's the idea give people the opportunity to know what it is and educate them about what it is to be Jewish and what different streams of Judaism offer so
Israel how did I end up with Israel my father passed away in 1996 and we were sitting Shiva in Bay City and my brother mr. I was there and he says to me Sonu what are you gonna do now so back home little work he is well so what's going on all the work you're you're you're obviously you have place to go you can grow in your work I said no I can't get up the top of my work I can't go any higher okay so and you're you're married and settle down now so now I'm not married upset there's nothing single you can't go in your world okay so and you're and everything's are laying out for me try saying remember of all the brothers you're the most designers most
why wouldn't you come to Israel now why you can you're not tied down anything and explore it and see what it's like to live in its even maybe there's knows a place that you might want to live so I thought about it it makes sense so I did I went to his that time in 97 that was there for five years I worked for the Jewish Agency in the budget and finance department I was basically writing proposals for funding for major donors the United States you know that was a time when things were changing in the culture of giving it used to be is our
grandparents you don't remember this when they were let us check for the juj day and J&F they just want to check blank didn't kill it was in it or didn't ask what was going what have we done with it but as their children grew into it they were different than their parents they didn't want to say just do whatever you wanna do with it they saying where's the money gonna go well I don't like money going to that I'd like you to go to this sort of it so that was a position where they took their budget they say okay look we're not gonna do
new programs but let's find those things that are sellable so a donor likes things with Ethiopian kids with with disabilities we have in the North three absorption centers and host the open families how many kids there or having a disability too so we write up a proposal and I'd give it to the donor or to the Federation he did it that's what I did for them for the agency and at the same time I also became a licensed true nine with the Ministry of Tourism I got a license to do that and it was it was a great experience being different to four to five
years however I was dating and never really nothing nothing really happened there and not came back for my best friend's wedding in Los Angeles and at the wedding I met a young lady and it just clicked and I was like I'm gonna be there for like a week and I said I got explore this I stay another week hours a day and I said you know go back to you know a lot on the phone but I catch up one rested I thought I really have to explore this everyone get married I'm gonna creeping up on 40 now I gotta take this seriously so I
put my job in Israel pack my stuff up and went back to California to explore this relationship and that went over about three months and did not work out but now the Intifada is in Israel going one so tourism businesses did my job is gone I can't get on the job so I stayed in States started looking for something the states of California and LA again back in fitness couldn't seem to find the right thing and meanwhile I did meet my wife and what happened that was I actually met her ten years before and she was a chef shut up someone who's a preschool teacher
at Hillel the Hebrew Academy in Beverly Hills and someone whose child was in her class was a friend of mine and they'd sit set us up we went out on two dates and she's nice I was nice but it just wasn't a love connection we're not twice and ten years went by no contact no communication whatsoever I came back and we both had mutual friends several mutual friends who knew both of us and kept trying to set us up not through each other but just independently setting us up no no no we're not just nice girls you guys better just just why does it hurt
to want to get try again one guy finally pushed me to take her number of callers about a month and a half later my roommate was going to a bat mitzvah sure that we didn't belong to any set myself come with me would you it's come with me turns out the bat mitzvah girl when she was in kindergarten my wife was her teacher and she at the last minute was overlooked an invitation the mother calls I forgot my key please comment she came and after the show we saw each other and we started talking and at that kiddush I asked my three questions and acid
in thanks for this question I said she was this really could be the one because she was where I was I mean you know I had all the girls I've been dating I had this long laundry list of all the things she's got you gotta do this by the time you're 40 if you're smart that list it significantly decreased and enhance but for me was like you know what you want quicker we have more questions oh absolutely yeah and my rabbi uses all right laughs you say not a matter where they she's the right girls no matter whether you're the right guy are you ready
to make because if you're right guys if you're the right night reading and married you're gonna find the wife you there's many identified you it's better whether you're serious already and the third of my Cason I guess it was that that was similar the case we've met on Memorial Day weekend of that kiddush and we were engaged by Secotan color modes available three nine minus four X and y-axis so quick was because she was teacher so summertime she was off and I was in between work so I we lived actually the same address one block over and so every day for the whole summer we
dated all day and into the evening every single day go to the beach we tried to Santa Barbara we go to San Diego and we just it was like a speed-dating did this B thing and it was really really strange this is a really I know to be her parents for the first time it was an August so you could imagine starting from May to August we've been dating I had met her parents yeah then we sit in when we're talking her father says you know we had family in Houston and I said really it was a small community my mother's from yesterday who's a
family who said I don't remember the names but I remember when my family moved from New York to Los Angeles in 1954 he said we drove across country and we stayed for a week in Houston in their own and they were pretty well-to-do people he said they had a swimming pool that type of have a swimming pool is a lot of money in that time he was a diamond dealer and I said tell me more he says well there were two brothers they were both war refugees from Germany and my father my father's first cousins and he says that except China where the main who's
married he was married he said with with the younger wife and two little children we were about two years later the wife was killed in a car accident it met these two young children and I said what's his name Ike Hoffman because yes that was my mother cousin I said my father's baby sister is the wife that was killed in the car accident we all got chills can you imagine in Los Angeles to meet a girl and if all the we can meet that her father and my I never knew this man it's not because he she died he told the children back we never
knew that family but they're my father's nephews my first cousins so he's cousins with my cousins you know I'm saying it's like can you imagine that we've all got chills what we're a small world yeah so very strange so we got married in February of 2003 okay and not long after that we've got to bring my first childhood dollars warning in August of 2004 and I was doing things on the internet I was doing eBay I was doing all kinds of things trying to but the problem for me was I was looking to get back to the Jewish world and my experience was very good
but the people I was and I was competing with for the higher level executive level positions in the Jewish world had academic credentials which I didn't have I had a bachelor's degree so I decided to go back to school at the age of 42 University and with the diversity of Judaism and I got a master's in education MBA nonprofit management and a master's in and they a bachelor's in Hebrew literature so by 2007 I'd finished those three degrees and now I had another baby boom girl and with two of them I took the first position was to go to Phoenix Arizona and I took a
job as the associate head of school and a Jewish day school there and I did not like Arizona I didn't like the position it wasn't for me and I had a three year contract I was smothering I want to get out of it it's not what I wanted I didn't know what I thought it was and before I do it Gary Weinstein who was a returning brother of my brothers I've known since I was 10 years old told me about a position in Dallas he since I've got something here it might be worth your while he had been sort of a mentor to me here
Gary about my you know experience and he told me the position and I came in and I met with Jamie Scholes who was the head of the the board for the CJ he was called the GED the time Education Department and we just hit it off we hit it off immediately and based on what they were excited about wanting to do what my passion was it was a natural fit and so in July 1st 2008 that's 10 years from next week dang I started here in Dallas movie Dallas and can't retake a director of the Center for Jewish education came here brought my life here
if she's a preschool teacher she became a preschool teacher this morning Marnie Mela is her maiden name Martin Miller and she came here and became a preschool teacher at keep academy and we've now been here for ten years it gave me the opportunity to come here and work with some very very dynamic thinkers Jenny Schultz and the shorts family were amazing and delicious Frank and Helen rich the man coughs enjoy make off and and then of course all kinds of professionals here in the day schools the preschool was the synagogue the temples and it allowed me to help put in place a change of scenario
a change of the landscape to educational and safe here we did that by really deconstructing and then reconstructing wasn't wasn't working before or was lacking before and I had like a little bit of a road map they had done three or four years before I a broad community-wide picture and I was able to see where the where the the gaps were and to try to fill in the gaps where we could based on what kind of resources we had to do it with and grow the department and we're sorry to be losing you well you've told us a lot of things role models what you're
proud of oh how is your family grown today anything specific yes so so I mention we were four boys family so I was brother for an art dan is married to Gail Boxberger and they live in Ventura California and then I have the second brother is steeped in he's married to Dina Rosenthal I'm here in Dallas and they live here in Dallas they have three two girls and a son but to some $2 a son and they have to set twins grandchildren then there is my next brothers Brian din and he's married to viva Mahara Bonnie they met it keep looks ain't getting in Dead
Sea and they they have four kids and I think I lost count twelve or thirteen grandchildren they all live in his realm he lives miss beiiary showed me all with his wife and the kids live in the country and my family were there are there are three children we have the oldest of Sydney rose city moved in she just graduated eighth grade at a cube Academy and she was born on August the 9th 2004 there's Jordan Gabrielle and she was born on February 9th 2007 and she's now what 11 should be 12 in February and the youngest is Alexander Z skinned Dan and his name
is my father Sydney again and he was born on November 25th 2008 and he's the fourth grade and we are just about to embark on a very exciting journey we're going to explore living in Israel we secured a house and beit shemesh israel and that the kids enrolled in school and we are going to live for at least a year hopefully for two years before we make a decision whether it's you know the placement or estate make our home but if not no we'll come back but I'm hoping that the kids will will thrive there and will enjoy their life there and if that's the
case it'll sting and if it's not we'll explore what are the options are deadly well we certainly wish you luck and I appreciate you doing this interview with this it's very exciting and all the best everything whatever that's it if there's anything else you'd like to add at all my wish for Dallas is that people will become more literate about being Jews about being Jewish and know what it is that it means them to be Jewish we have Jewish autonomy today so we were able to make choices but to to become educated and I think unfortunately that there's a lack of desire today to learn
what it means to be Jewish to learn anything Jewish I think the numbers of people were engaging just to gauge we have a problem with under engagement and under under affiliation I went in filiation rates and engagement rates are very different so to be affiliated one can give a $10 gift of the truce Federation and that makes your affiliated but that's not meaningful I mean to be engaged there's not another issue so my wish is that people will choose to be usually engaged and to learn what it means to be Jewish because if they don't coming to be Jewish without learning what it means to
be Jewish but we're learning and it's not enough to learn it you have to do something so when I was here that's one of things that I did when I was here is to create that that motto learn Jewish thing Jewish do Jewish and those three things you can't just learn about Jewish you can't learn Jewish and expect to have it be perpetuating and you can't think Jewish and expect to be perpetuating if you do Jewish along with learning and thinking then there's a possibility perpetuated you can't just drop your children off at Sunday School and say make my two kids Jewish it doesn't work
there has to be a partnership with parents with families and with the schools and if you don't do that it's I'm just very very sad to see what the possibilities are I'm not optimistic but I'm hopeful how can I say that's good I like that thank