Mimi Guten
Mimi Guten's parents both came from Russia. Her mother arrived as a one-year-old baby, carried in the hold of a ship from a small town, and her father came at age 13, lying about his age to say he was 16. As a result he was drafted in World War One and drove around French battlefields picking up wounded soldiers. After the war he met and married his friend's beautiful sister, and the couple settled in Milwaukee. Mimi grew up there, part of the time in a suburb called Shorewood known for its excellent schools. She had two musically gifted older sisters, one an opera singer and the other an actress remembered as Mrs. Garrett on the television show The Facts of Life.
Mimi followed her sister to Northwestern University, first entering the school of commerce with the idea of joining her father's business before switching to music, her true passion. She married in Milwaukee shortly after graduating, having been introduced to her husband Don through a cousin. The couple lived in Madison, then followed his army service to Fort Leonard Wood, Lebanon, and Mineral Wells, where she helped organize USO-style shows to entertain the troops. After Don served overseas, they returned to work in her father's business. When her father died suddenly at 56 and a highway threatened to run through the business, they chose to move away, deciding on Dallas, where they settled into their home on April 2, 1963.
In Dallas, Mimi became deeply involved in music and Jewish community life. She served as a musical director for shows at the Jewish Community Center, the Dallas Theater Center, and her synagogue, and co-wrote a successful musical called The Bar Mitzvah. She and Don joined a synagogue after visiting several, drawn by its friendly congregation, and she remained active in Hadassah, the National Council of Jewish Women, and Brandeis. Don, along with a colleague, founded the local Jewish War Veterans post, of which Mimi was a charter member. She and Don raised three children, Carrie, Myra, and Dennis, and she has many grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Widowed in 1993, she later overcame a dangerous surgery and paralysis, and takes pride that her hands still remember how to play the piano.
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okay today is tuesday september 24th 2019. my name is joe reingold and i'm here with miriam or mimi guten hello there hi mimi tell us a little bit about your family where they came from your parents and your grandparents and where they lived my parents both came from russia my mother came from a little city little town called yoshinovka and she was one year old can you imagine that they were in the hold of a ship with a little baby like that anyway um i didn't get to know my grandparents very well most of them had died by the time i came around and most most people call me me me and anyway my father wasn't was 13 years old when he came and he lied about his age and said he was 16.
as a result of that he was uh drafted in world war one and he went to france and uh drove around on the battlefield picking up the wounded soldiers he was quite a guy and my mother was quite a wonderful wonderful woman he was from russia but uh someplace near odessa and uh he in both families it was interesting there were six brothers and two sisters which when the families were totally different my dad was not afraid to do something you know daring and he started a business and then of course he was drafted so he couldn't connect i shouldn't tell this part of the
story where did he live at that time so they came straight to milwaukee or my well my my my father in the army had a friend named uh sam einstein and my uncle sam and he were good buddies and uncle sam can tell him about his beautiful sister so when my father came back from france he called him up and he said i'd like to meet your beautiful sister which he did and they fell in love and they got married and they had a wonderful wedding as you can imagine and the guy took a streetcar and went down to see a movie downtown that was
their honeymoon and they were they were in milwaukee they settled there yeah at the time both men both sides of the family had settled there well i had two sisters and each one of them was very musically inclined and my first sister beverly who was eight and a half years older than i became an opera singer she was also a good pianist and she went to she went to the cincinnati conservatory of music and then from there she went to new york because she followed her voice teacher and she made a wanting a stunning um like her debut or no yeah she made a stunning
debut she played uh she played the lead in foster and she was booked to go on tour with robert merrill and then she was going to be with the san francisco opera company and guess what i said we think that she just she realized that it's a tough job and she accepted the proposal of her boyfriend and and and they got married in 1945 and i remember that wedding i had was hell to look for a pair of dressy shoes and so the shoes i found that were pretty were made out of paper and by the time by the end of the evening i had
to take them off it was so funny here it was a bridesmaid anyway we'll go on by my next sister who's exactly almost exactly four years older than us charlotte ray and she always wanted to be an actress and and she turned out she was a wonderful actress and some of you may remember her from facts of life she was mrs garrett she unfortunately died on on august 5th of 2018 but my parents died young my father with whom i was very close died when he was 56 years old and when after he died we we found out how many people he had helped during
his life that he never told us and it all came forward and it said how wonderful he was i don't know how many kids that he put through college but it was really nice but i do remember one that one time was the day before i was going to go and and this girl flew in from boston and my dad said take her out and get her a wardrobe for college i i hadn't done enough shopping for myself yet but but anyway she got one and people kept up coming up and tell us telling us how wonderful he was which we knew but not quite
always i went to school charlotte went to northwestern university and i followed her i came to the school and i was a freshman when she was a senior and she was a pretty big woman on campus already when i got there and i was in the school of commerce i thought i was going to be in going into my dad's business and after two years which i was doing fine i just decided no i really wanted to be in music so i switched over to music school and i've been doing stuff i was always involved in something i was always coming back late at night
from a rehearsal and so i switched over to the music school and of course i was taking like 22 to 24 hours every quarter but i made it and i did my senior recital and in the afternoon they were looking for me and i was at a movie because i figured if i didn't know it by now too bad i went out and after i got out of school i got married i got out in june or may and september 2nd then we were married how did you meet your husband i met my husband because my cousin was his friend and he brings us up
together to go together well not you know just he fixed the stuff for one day and we just happened to really like each other where was this what city milwaukee you were back to milwaukee okay yeah i grew up in milwaukee and part of my life in a part of a good part that was in a suburb called shorewood which was very advanced in the way of education they had a high school campus that was like a college campus related exceptional but anyway he had another semester of school to finish so we went to madison where he had been going to the university of wisconsin
and we were there for one semester and it really was fun it was a fun place to be and we were just there for one semester i had a job he did not we had a little apartment that didn't even have a bedroom it had a murphy bed but it had a cleaner lady and it had a meeting and so there i was at seven o'clock in the morning at a paint company and i had to decide but make sure they had all the elements that they needed to make the paint and i thought i was my god i mean here i am they don't
know me at all and i'm in charge of something like that well anyway the minute practically the minute he got out of school he got his draft notice and he went to fort leonard wood which is within missouri do i have enough time to tell am i running out no no that's fine okay anyway we lived down there and he was in at the camp and i was in lebanon missouri which was a small town and my dad had given us uh my parents gave us a a present for our wedding my dad and a car that his friend who had an agency lent him
because we used his car on our honeymoon and he liked the car so much he said to my mother esther jason why don't we give it to them as i would imagine so then and believe me that was the only way we would have had a car at that time so that was great and we moved down to that to lebanon where i was living i got a job on the on the stage that we did we didn't i didn't do any then musically i think down there but then we went to uh before you know what wasn't that boring we went moved to mineral
wells and there uh a base there and he was in the army in the yeah the army attached to the air force okay and i did do a lot of things there i worked but i also i was with the guy we were doing the shows you know like the uso shows and all that kind of stuff there and we would go in to fort worth and get girls to come out yeah anyway it was a lot entertain the troops right entertain the troops or i used to run these cute shows they would have dates with them and it was a fork i mean mineral
wells was like a little pot because it was surrounded on all three it's all four sides by hills so in the summer it was so hot nobody wanted to stay outside at all it was really funny yeah and then what else can i tell you about mineral wells not much not much not much but we were there for a while and and then he went overseas and the first time they tried to get the ice the icebreaker through the ice they couldn't get it through so they they came back and stayed for a month and i was up in milwaukee and i had caught chickenpox
for the second time in my life so he calls up and he says i'm coming back i started crying i said i can't come in but anyway let's get to the point where we get to dallas and why we'd like dallas we did when we came home we did a work at my dad's in my dad's business and and everything was very good things were very good he died very suddenly when he was 56 and and so we were running the business and then the city was going to run off of not a turnpike but you know a highway through right through where our business
so instead of staying there we didn't move to another side of the city we decided to really move away and we had we had to we decided we were going to choose before between fort worth and dallas and we thought well we liked fort worth a lot and we always could dress in a casual way there and we liked that and but we also like dallas a lot but at that time i don't know if you remember maybe you were you were here you grew up here yeah and if it was the ladies went downtown they dressed in a suit and they had gloves and
a hat very formal yeah affordable but i still i thought we had like would like to tell us better so we moved here and we have enjoyed it we liked it a lot what business was done in what did he do we had believe it or not a dancing school this was a this was a mistake it was really everything so anyway as we went along and kept losing money we finally decided we had to close up and it was too bad but and even i had to teach with when a teacher was gone can you picture me interpretation engaging tap dancing well i had
to do it but i always involved in music and got him very involved in music over at the jay at the end and miriam premier and i became very good friends and we started we really did between the two of us we started the drama and music musical business over at the day we we did one uh we did two in a row that were original uh scripts from something that miriam had done in in canada but we dude i was the musical director and then we did hire a director we hired a wonderful director by the name of i didn't do it but uh
fred sternberg and he was one of the most talented didn't have a good personality but he was really a wonderful director and she's laughing over there that was the truth on the last time with it i don't know what was the last play he was going to do and he asked me to be the musical director and i finally said to him you know i don't work on these things because of your personality but it's not very nice [Music] but i'll do it now what years would you say these were about i don't know and i said i'll do it because you're very talented and
which was the truth um i don't know how much how long ago that was but when did you come to dallas do you remember when i came today oh yeah sure you know we came we moved into our house on april 2 1963. okay unfortunately that's you know that's the year that we had the misfortune for our president and people always remember dallas they still remember dallas that way so what did you first join or what did you become involved in when you came down here besides music i was involved with i don't know i had a lot of musical involvement i was in in several organizations i did stuff with the brandeis i did with uh the one uh okay i can't forget the name of it there was a night group because i would get off if we had kids and a bunch of us were in that
night group uh balaban national council or something else national council jewish women yeah yeah jewish women and we were and and we always put on shows and that's how i really that's kind of how it started and we used to have a lot of fun and and every year we did the show did you join a synagogue right away what did you join a synagogue right away i i i don't want to tell the real story oh okay tell the fake story yeah i'll tell you take tell whatever you want i don't want to say anything bad about not anything okay that's all right anyway
we we went to uh at that time there were basically three synagogues and first we went to emmanuel i have been a i grew up in emmanuel and my husband did not but we always went on a high holy days to a synagogue that was more towards the towards the orthodox side not worth it more like a conservative and anyway we went to first we went to emmanuel to visit then we went and you know final friday night then stayed for the onyx shabbat and all that and then we went to sheriff israel and the next time and we stayed for the owner of shabbat
and then we went to pharaoh to israel and stayed for the only shabbat and there were a lot of very friendly people over there so my husband said this is where i want to be so we were for quite a while and it was an interesting synagogue they had a very active brotherhood and sisterhood who also liked to put on the little shows and we had a lot of fun doing them so i have enjoyed being a musical director i did i did do actually some professional work as jewish as a uh musical director i did a couple shows over at uh at the dallas
theater center and then they had decided we're not going to do musicals anymore they're too expensive so for a long time they didn't do them but i have done many and many of them were at the jewish center and also i had started writing music and had a partner and we wrote a show called the bar mitzvah that was performed at the j at a once my first year i don't remember but i think the second year was 1993 and it was very successful made him a lot of remember it yeah and then in 1993 that was a bad year for us because my husband
died he had a heart attack and he died on july 23rd 1993. so anyway as far as children goes i have three children my oldest one was uh her name was carrie and she does not live here she lives in michigan she's a journalist and she's a very talented writer and she's a wonderful person and she is um i don't know what what more to say about her she really is a wonderful person then does she have any children yes she had two daughters who happen to have been here this weekend one of them has a baby and we had a lot of fun with the baby and with them and anyway they also live in the detroit
area and then i have and i had another daughter a little bit later about two years after that and her name is myra my first daughter's name was carrie and then myra was born and and she has been wonderful too she's the one who gets mostly stuck with me with my needs i have a son here who is two years younger than she is that's pretty hard for me to believe that my youngest child is 60 years old i mean really well i i'm 89 what do i want what can i expect so and how is your family grown what other grandchildren do you have
or family amara has one son she lost a little baby girl and dennis had none dennis was um married he got divorced and then he met uh he didn't matter i can't say that which he knew we knew his current wife who was also divorced and we've known her since she was senior 10 not nine years old when she came from panama so they're very happy they've been married i think now 15 years and she has three boys and my youngest grandson from her is getting married in new york next month marshalltown yeah rival talk so as far as my health goes i had a
lot of problems i in july of uh july 1st i think it was i went to michigan to play at my oldest child a grandchild's wedding and i knew at that time that my fingers felt very strange they felt gritty and slippery and and it was very difficult to play the music but the wedding was wonderful the winning the wedding was very good and she married somebody who wasn't but he loved it they had a jewish wedding and they had a they had a katuba and he loved the music and his side of the family they were lifted up in the chairs and they liked
that a lot and he has he had a mother his dad had died and the three of them walked down after the ceremony together carrie and don and taco with carrie's husband and his mom so that was very nice and of course now we have a little grandbaby a great-grandbaby great granddad yeah that's right whose name is lily but the first great-granddaddy baby was born from from dennis's wife's side from her middle son david and guess what her name is her name is lily so now we have two lilies two men and she's about two and a half years old and she's a darling little
girl and let's see her oldest son ruthie's oldest son had a little boy who's about a year and a half old and they live and then collar station and the little girl lives in houston okay yeah and now we have our lily very sweet what kind of things have you been involved in in recent years well i was in i was involved in hadas i didn't i think i was a i was a secretary for a couple years and then i've always been doing programs for them for hadassah and we i've done programs everywhere we haven't and the jewish are you have you been in
jwva for a while jewish war veterans artillery i would i was a charter member a charter amber very good yeah i was a charter member and my husband don founded he and a fellow named preston gentler founded that jwv here and it fantastic not to be very you know very active and uh i think the most active in the country i know and we have the largest uh auxiliary too right something to be very proud of yes are you involved in any kind of civic activities at all would you say um not really yeah okay so then i want to ask you this one of
my favorite questions how have you seen dallas change since you first came here well first of all the population has really swollen right it's very large now that traffic is hell and no argument there no but i think business-wise i think it has really grown and uh i think there are a lot of good things about dallas i think we're having uh the race problem like the rest of the country and which we should not be having you know okay theoretically we're not having it but we do which is very sad and there's also some anti-semitism in uh in dallas just like there is in
the rest of the country and what about culturally since that's your main theme how have you seen it i think we've been doing well i think there are a lot of uh good plays here i think that they're there are um we have we have a lot of talented people we have a lot of very knowledgeable people here i think that the education i know that my son works at the university of texas in dallas and that has grown tremendously since since i since we moved here i don't know if it was really here when we first moved here nope it's newer than that yeah
right i think there's a lot of talented musical people here i think there's a lot of smart people in health i really do and i i know there's a lot of criticism dallas i think not always justified uh because i think we're a good city so you don't regret moving here no no good no we never regretted that okay can you think of something that you are personally the most proud of oh probably for my family okay that's the main thing right okay i'm proud of some i'm also proud of some of the things that i've written which i have not been able to get
out the public but maybe maybe after i'm dead you know like that like all the dead artists that are you'll be famous possible revered yeah right well maybe before then can you think of someone that you would say was a role model for you i don't know someone in the music field no i don't think so okay all right so then my final question to you is what else of anything of your life that you would like to add to your interview for everyone to know i guess they i guess they don't have to really know about my illness but i was really in terrible
shape i was paralyzed and i had such horrible headaches that even morphine didn't help and luckily we found somebody who knew who should do my operation which was very dangerous we had several neurosurgeons refused to do it and i figured well i might as well go through with it my life right now isn't very good and like i would yeah i have not had a bad headache since that time which was in in october of 12 20 000 2017 yeah and i'm not as you can see i'm not i do have to use a walker to walk but everybody said even doctors that i would
never walk again however i worked like hell to accomplish this very good and uh we're glad you did and my fingers are still not good but god remembered or somebody or my or my fingers that have kinetic re can had kinetic memory because i can still play the piano wonderful which always makes me feel good that's your legacy it is well thank you very much this was wonderful really really wonderful you