Morris “Moe” Stein
Moe Stein was born in Hamilton, Ontario, the only child of Polish immigrant parents who arrived in Canada on December 31, 1920, landing in Saint John, New Brunswick. His father, a watchmaker, eventually opened a small watchmaking and jewelry store in Hamilton. Moe grew up in an immigrant Jewish community, was active in Jewish youth activities from the age of seven, and belonged to a synagogue where his mother served as president of the ladies auxiliary. He was a graduate of AZA and enjoyed photography, reading, and Jewish club life. He earned a degree in chemical engineering from the University of Toronto in 1946 but, finding the field unfulfilling, returned to earn a degree in social work.
Stein's career in Jewish communal service began as a BBYO director, followed by program work at a large conservative congregation in Toronto. He then served as director of the Jewish community council in Edmonton, Alberta, for seven years, and spent ten years in Portland, Oregon. He married his wife, Lil, in 1955; she was originally from Prince Albert, Saskatchewan. In 1976 he was recruited to Dallas, beginning work in 1977. He found a Jewish community still living down the Kennedy assassination and divided along congregational and Zionist lines, very different from the tight-knit prairie communities he had known.
As executive director of the Dallas Jewish Federation until his January 1991 retirement, Stein helped modernize governance, broaden the board, improve financial systems, strengthen community relations, and advance planning that led to senior housing and expanded services. He championed Jewish education and helped lead the community's response to Soviet Jewish immigration. After retiring, he earned a doctorate in political economy, taught nonprofit organization at the University of Texas at Dallas, consulted for the Feldman Foundation, and helped found an independent, non-denominational adult Jewish education program. Widowed in 1996, he took pride in his son Jerome, daughter Deborah, and three grandchildren, all living in Dallas.
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today is december 1st 2005. my name is roslyn benjet i'm here to take an oral interview with mo stein and our videographer is ruth andres we're at the jcc building in the conference room mo you're not from dallas no i'm a new american um how did your parents get to canada where'd they come from well they arrived in canada on december 31 1920 they landed in new brunswick uh in saint john's new brunswick they came from poland uh they came with uh my grandfather with my paternal grandfather and uh my father also had a sister in toronto who wanted to bring my grandfather here and my grandfather who was widowed
wouldn't leave unless my father and mother came along with them so that's how i managed to be here instead of in poland the so they arrived in toronto my father was a watchmaker he had a job didn't like his boss and moved after six weeks to hamilton ontario and he started work there and shortly afterwards opened up his small watchmaking and jewelry store and that's why i'm here i'm i'm an only child so ah so you were born in i was born in hamilton ontario and um where did you lived in hamilton during your childhood i grew up there i went all the way through
high school there and then went to toronto for university came back after my first degree in chemical engineering worked for a few years and went back and went to university of toronto school of social work and after i graduated there i i worked in toronto for a few years at what well i started out as a bbyo director for four years and then i went on to become what really amounts to being program director and some extra goodies for the city's largest conservative congregation at that time was about 1500 member congregation and when when you were a child did your family belong to a synagogue
how did they celebrate jewish holidays oh well you know yes they belonged to a synagogue my mother was president of ladies auxiliary for a while and hamilton at that time was largely an immigrant community having said that it also has the oldest continuous reform congregation in the country so there was already a german jewish population they're mostly native born i think certainly not keeping itself somewhat distant from the rest of us who were immigrant kids but most of them were immigrants so we celebrated jewish holidays by well by by doing all the the usual home rituals and by going to synagogue uh during the holidays
and what was typical there that way back then i'm now talking about the 30s and 40s is most businessmen practically all the jewish businessmen kept their businesses closed on every one of the holidays and by that i mean rosh hashani yum kippur is and and literally kept their businesses closed for that and you mentioned that you worked with bbyo were you as a participant in any youth organizations when you were a teenager yeah i'm a graduate of aca what kind of activities did you do in aca well those of us who are my age and maybe 10 years younger will remember the fivefold and full
program in order to be a chapter in good standing you had to partici you had to have programs in all of those social athletic religious community service so we had programs of of all kinds and as i think back we know we did all kinds of things that we we probably wouldn't allow teenagers to do today not because they were bad but because they were ambitious we used to run big dances for the city we used to run shows for the city i'm talking about 15 16 17 year old kids who did all that stuff run convent run regional conventions with maybe one adult around
for alleged supervision so that's the kind of things we did and what were your interests when you were in high school what were my energies that's going back a long time probably photography certainly very much involved in jewish jewish club activities and reading i was i was non-athletic so i didn't participate much on that you know and hanging around with my friends now you mentioned that um your first degree was in chemical engineering right how did how did that happen well because i thought i wanted to be a great scientist so and i was pretty good in chemistry in high school and besides that was
for me turned out it wasn't for me but but did you finish oh yeah yeah yeah and that was it the university of toronto university and were there other jewish students at university of toronto at that time oh sure oh yeah we had um toronto to be well one of the things about the jewish community anyway in canada at that time was if you could afford to go to university at all and if you're a good student the tendency was to go to the local university if there was one hamilton had a small university that a didn't have engineering and b was really a methodist
uh i think well it was a religiously run university it was a good school but just didn't have the facilities or the programs so we had a hillel i had relatives in toronto that i lived with at the time yeah we even had jewish students in engineering now how did you discover that engineering was not for you it was easy number one i graduated in 1946. it wasn't a very good year for jewish and engineering graduates to begin with so it took me a while to find a job i i i got a job with a jewish company but after um three four years of that i've i really wasn't that good at it to begin with i i didn't enjoy it i was very active in the jewish youth center at home i've been active in jewish groups since i was seven really and i really liked the work and i found out that there was a profession it was just wasn't just the case of being a nice person who was willing
to work for hardly any money i found out that there was a profession it was social work and i applied and i got into school of and after you worked with bbyo where did you go next i went to bed senate congregation which is at very large conservative congregation in toronto and they ran all their programming material everything from from elementary school-aged kid clubs right up to their uh senior citizen club i had all their i had their youth congregation their preschool congregation and they had a teen congregation they had dynamic rabbi we had a one of the early adult education programs in the community
and after that after that ambition called and i really started looking for something that would not only have more meaning but probably have more impact in the jewish community and as fortune had it and it all depends being the right place at the right time i got a job at what was then called the jewish community council director in edmonton alberta out in the west out in the west and what was it like there well it was a nice nice jewish community it was a it was i had a secretary so that was a whole staff i really learned about fundraising there i enjoyed the
work we were able to create some new programs uh we were able to build a small jewish youth center at that when i was during my time there and it was we made some wonderful friends some of which we i still keep in touch with now you were married by then yeah we got married in 1955. how did you meet your wife well the short story is she was she was a blind date that that one of she she was one of her friends who i knew from from my my college days told me about this friend of hers that was coming in from winnipeg to start at the school of library science the university of toronto and would i mind taking her out and as a favor i said yes that was it and where was she from she was from prince albert saskatchewan she was a graduate of the university of manitoba in winnipeg but she was from prince albert saskatchewan big
city of 25 000 people at the time and the jewish community had dwindled from about 50 or 25 jewish families what was the jewish community like in edmonton when you were there it was about 1500 people um religiously denominationally conservative which we would probably kind of conservatism there's we would probably think of in terms of to ferret israel here what um what's called traditional now in the united states and an orthodox jewel and all kind of strong zionist community strong young judea we had a misraki we had a we had a lady of missouri auxiliary we had a strong hadas we had pioneer women we
had everything you could ask for except we had a tom talmutara at that time the jewish day school uh probably had 90 to 95 percent of the jewish kids enrolled which was typical of the jewish communities in the prairies in the prairies in alberta saskatchewan and alberta and manitoba it was a tight-knit jewish community but you didn't stay that long i didn't i stayed there seven years and then we decided you know it's time to move on to something bigger to a larger jewish community just in order to be able to advance your career to advance my career and be able to do more things
and we moved to portland oregon and i we were there for 10 years a wonderful jewish community turned down some other jobs while i was there and then dallas came calling and we i said no twice while you were in portland well yeah it was important and do you remember what the circumstances were that when they came calling and how they courted you well again i suppose it's hubris because here it was in in portland which really was a wonderful jewish community but again because of its size and because of it was its location being you know in the extreme on the west coast and
north in the northwest perhaps somewhat limiting in terms of what could be accomplished and i got a call one day from the person at the council jewish federation said somebody wanted to talk to me and i get this husky voice this is fanny shane and you know who i am do i know who she is you know she's miss mrs uga probably for half the country she's the vice president of council of jewish federations i've seen her up front at all kinds of conferences bernie we had brought bernie in the town to to to do some soliciting for us do i know who she was
anyway we visited was interesting we really didn't want to go because of where our kids were at school and so forth and it went back and forth like that and one day arnie's sweet and we certainly weren't going to move that year and arnie sweet called and he spent an hour and a half i can still remember i was out gardening which is one of the things you can do in portland and arnie calls and he uh we go over he's got me on the phone for a year we'll wait a year etc etc etc it's worth it these are all the great opportunities you
know it paints this glorious picture of of of a sky's the limit can do community and mentions some other opportunities things that are going on in the community with the building of the new jcc and they were talking about the possibility of building echad and finally we succumbed louie and i was showing my wife and i so come finally agreed that maybe it would be worthwhile to come so i actually agreed to come it was a crazy situation in 1976 but that i wouldn't start until 1977 because of your children's children's because of some obligations i that i felt i still had there were things
that i really wanted to finish and never really did because of time in in portland and we came and what was dallas like when you came that's an interesting story because i i'm so impressed by what dallas has become it was still living down the kennedy assassination as a matter of fact some of my friends that i spoke with saying that i told that i was going to come to dallas said why do you want to go there so that was going on it was just starting to build this jewish community center building there was still in my opinion a divide between reform and most
everybody else in this town i was i was taken aback because it was so vastly different from what i known in canada wherever i live that the jewish community was divided divided by congregational affiliation and that people from congregation a really didn't know people from congregation b and chorus heck didn't know anything congregation b there was the the uh what we would today call the pro-israel but was then called the zionists and the non-zionists there was still the skepticism about akiba that was we met some very very nice people the people were nice the people that were active uh maury newberger had just assumed the
presidency i came in expecting stanley pearl to be my president he was for three days and why maury and i had some things that we certainly agreed on and wanted to do so there was a lot of excitement and you get kind of caught up in the job and jerome our son was off in his first year university the first year we lived here at the university of washington it was the university of washington and our daughter deborah was entering going into her senior year at richardson high when richardson richardson high was considered the high school in the area at that time so that was
going on you wouldn't recognize i don't think 1977 dallas today the there's the change over these what's that 28 29 years is just in the jewish community it's just been fantastic what do you think the changes have been in the jewish community yeah well there's a much greater assertiveness if you will about being jewish than there was then if you take a look at what's happened to the jewish day school situation we had one struggling jewish day school akiba today what are there five akiba levine uh torah day school missouri high and yavana and then there's that's now levine academy yeah the nate nan lavina
cabinet and the nathan academy that would there's over there's something like a thousand over a thousand jewish kids in these schools that's unthinkable that would have been that would have been more than unthinkable they would have told you you were out of your mind in those days right and as far as congregations i think the the count now is something like 18 18 or 19 if you there was no lubavitch when we came and when um mendel uh mendel dyrovsky came probably around 1980 or thereabouts everybody thought he was crazy now there's two three lebovitz operations there's been a growth in the um in the
orthodox community there's certainly still a very strong reform community where there was whether bethel was already started so we've grown to three conservative congregations and there's a all kinds of smaller smaller orthodox congregations uh you you wouldn't have seen people going around with yarmulkes and black hats up and down the street and as far as i know few if any of us uh acclimated jews wins when we see them there's an interest in the jewish community that in the non-jewish community i think we've grown substantially and more than numbers oh yeah yeah yeah we we did the um i guess it was a second scientific
um population study in 1989-90 where we really got the first i think we got the first real fix on the community knowing who we were how big we were where we were what we did what we didn't do what were the challenges that you faced when you came to federation oh um i i got the federation um i think it was the year after it had one of his better fundraising campaigns in the year i got there the economy went down had it had one of its one of his dips and it was the first year i think since before the uh six day war
that that a campaign went down and people really worked their their hearts out we had to initiate a um that's when we really started like in my opinion a very good planning process because planning was kind of hit and miss and that was a matter of luck as much as anything else herb charles of los alamos said whenever he used to say whenever you want to set up a study committee it was to get something out of the way well the year i came with the planning committee had started thinking about housing for the poor well elderly that was the year we really got serious
about it and they started to work on um what what what was to become echo that came out of that planning process we took a look at carmen michael i forget who came with her uh came and asked about doing something for uh mentally adults setting up a group home and we did a lot of back and forthing but it started in the planning committee and eventually got and got accepted by the uh by by the board community relations which had been a long-standing program but the year before i came they had finally agreed to take on a community relations director and we hired i
hired emily fink so that's when we really started doing some very serious work uh in uh in community relations there'd been an ongoing program but again it was largely handled by volunteers with minimal professional assistance we we came into a when i came in there was a financial reporting system that was probably great for the 1950s but had to be ramped up and really improved we did that and then we started a long hard trail to begin automating our system but it started automation but it was really not that good a program when we did that so they were and then in my opinion and
maybe one of the things that i think i managed to help do was really give the organization back to the board really get the board of directors not only involved but to assume much more responsibility than they had the opportunity to before the former director no well the non-profit management and governance has has really gone through a lot of changes since the 1950s it used to be a few people making major decisions maybe working together with an executive maybe an executive that participated in directing policy and boards voting things up or down and that was i was i was lucky enough to have a group
of presidents who really knew how to do two things was take control of a meeting but really permit discussion so i was lucky to have that group of presidents but those are some of the things that had to happen i think we developed a federation that was much more responsive to the community there's a lot of little things like sending a thank you letter for to people for making a contribution to the campaign we think of that as pretty basic today it wasn't thought of as being pretty basic you know one of the responses from from somebody what do you want to do that for
or what do you need to do that for times have changed brought a lot of younger people out to the board my impression was and we managed to change that fairly early on is if you looked at the board of the dallas federation it was almost like there were slots for certain families and positions on the board came by inheritance now you know what they were good people but it began to look it certainly i i would imagine that to an outsider it would have looked too uh as if it was a bunch of clicks so we finally passed a resolution that you couldn't have
husband and wife on the board or father and child on the board except in unusual circumstances that was a you know we modernized we revamped we did a lot of stuff are there other ways that the jewish community then evolved while you were with federation well golden acres certainly grew it grew by pieces and i don't remember the exact numbers but by the time we were finished it was up to 270 beds jewish family service had to respond to a whole new set of needs the other thing of course that happened was operation exodus the whole russian jewish and the grave soviet jewish immigration thing
was fantastic it started in my it started in a serious way in a really serious way in terms of taking in more in agreeing to accept more russian immigrants and in terms of raising more money the last yeah the last year i was here and it went into the year after i left pretty well this community raised as i recall over five million dollars close to six million dollars just for the soviet resettlement for here and in israel what year would that have been that was uh 1990. my last i retired in january of 91. so it was that last year maybe 89 we got started the russians drifting in before that and there had been the influx in the early 1970s but nothing compared to what it became right so that changed that changed agencies all over the place and do you think that uh the community um bought into supporting this project oh yeah oh yeah there are volunteers all over the place tremendous number of villains i was one of them yeah you speak to all kinds of people that you were one of them you were one of them helping them find their apartments you were one of them in terms
of helping them taking them shopping you were one of them helping them with english's second language it was one of guiding them through the through the government phases here oh yeah now since you've been retired though you have a new degree that's a new profession in retirement tell us about that well i guess i always kind of wanted a doctorate because i knew people who got doctorates and because i wanted i guess part of it was i wanted to prove to myself that i could do it and i was always interested in learning so after i retired well lil had been diagnosed with parkinson's parkinson's
disease in 1981 and by the time i retired well she was still functioning pretty i thought after a year or two of doing we did some traveling i'd like to go back to school so in 93 i took some courses i went i went to utd and i i didn't want to die i didn't want a doctorate in social work i figured that's not what i wanted so social psychology made sense to me because it was pretty close to what i was doing and i went to university and they said well we don't have a course in social science they sent me over to school
of social science so they said we don't have a course in social psychology but we got something that isn't too far away it's a political economy and you know i had something to do with non-profit groups maybe you would be interested in this so i figured what have i got to lose let me look at it well will you let me in yeah they let me in they got me credits for uh for my master's degree in social work uh they i didn't have to write the gres because i already had these so i took some courses little got too sick for me to uh
to really keep going to school because as you know ross benjamin graduate a doctoral course takes a lot of hard work no questions takes a lot of hard work um so i became a caregiver and uh lil passed away in uh 96 and i went back in the fall of that year she passed away in march and i got a degree in a doctoral political economy my concentration is what they would call human resources and i my real interest was in um i had too real my real interest was in non-profit organizations and my secondary interest was in health policy because of what we had
gone through with with will dealing with with the medical medical health policies in this country and then i lucked out i succeeded walter levy who had been my predecessor at um at the federation to take uh to to follow him as director or consultant to the feldman family foundation which is kind of reviewing grants and making recommendations and then a year after i got my degree the person a wonderful person who was teaching non-profit organization left to go to the university of indiana which is one of the premier schools in that whole field so i got the job offer because i had my phd and
i had practical experience that was uh that was a terrific combination so i've been teaching that once a year for the last five years nonprofit organization of public policy and how do you like the students i like the students and and i certainly want my goal is to help them learn i like the students uh you know there's there's the odd one who drives drives you crazy not because of their behavior but because of of their seeming inattention to stuff these are this is graduate school this is in graduate school and there's i've had some remarkably bright people and who if you were going to
think about who your mentors were when you came to dallas who do you think they would have been i'd put leon raven although saw him at the top of the list i really would why um well leon was an incredibly bright man with real insight he was he was a good thinker he was a guy who saw what was going on in the community and going on to society he was willing to look at new ways of doing things he was willing he he recognized change he recognized the shortcomings he recognized weaknesses in the federer in the organ whatever organization he was in by the
way whether it was he was certainly a a stalwart of american jewish committee and and he he was not afraid to tell you what he thought he had this wonderful sense of humor and he had some great aphorisms too would have lunch with leona at least once a month what do you think the future holds for the dallas jewish community i think that we have got to learn how to respect one another's jewish religious practices and beliefs i think we still have some way to go to um to understanding one another i'm talking about denominationally um i think we we've got to view the community
we've got to view the not as a hum as a homogeneous entity but one with an awful lot of sectors and really help those sectors come together not so that they will be merged but on the contrary again so that they will learn to understand each other and to respect one another if there's still a secular i'm talking now organizationally if there's still a secular religious divide kind of a a what would i call a shul state divide that's got to be bridged i think that there's got to be a willingness for experimentation i think we tend to be all of us too conservative and
i'm not leaving myself out of that i think there's got to be the willingness to try new things and not to be too s i'm not talking about gambling i'm not talking about needless risk taking but i think there's a need to risk and failure is not the end of the world you know my my favorite story when i tell people is do you know who the best banner was in modern baseball history that was ted williams and you know what his average was in his best year was 401 that means he missed 6 out of 10 tries but if he hadn't tried he wouldn't
have hit those four we're not we're not quite ready i think to do that i think there's going to have to be an awful lot more that we we've got as a jewish community we've really got to learn how to use business terminology how first to keep the customers we have and secondly to work a little bit smarter at finding i don't mean new jews i mean to get keep more jews involved in being jewish because in my opinion well first of all i think that judaism is an important part of being jewish but my secular friends won't agree with me but even my secular
friends will agree with me that it's important to have a connection to the jewish community and there aren't enough those there aren't enough people with those connections today we need more what are you most proud of of your accomplishments i don't know that's a good question um i think i had some small part to play in the acceptance of jewish education by the federation um i think that's terribly important i think i'm proud of the fact in a way in which i gave what i called gave the organization back to the board and created a big board i i think we created a more accessible
federation i'm proud that we let the the agencies grow and to develop new services for the jewish community i don't know it's it's up to others to decide what's good and what what really doesn't matter tell us about your family today oh my family today well i've already implied that that i lost little in 96. i have a son and a daughter my son is jerome 47 very active at the jewish community center very active as an actor around the community i don't mean the jewish community i mean around dallas he's a lawyer that's his day job his wife is susan she's a graphic artist and their two children are jordan who just turned 12 and is now a spender first all of my grandkids went to preschool at the jewish community center had a great experience jordan uh spent first five years at salomon schechter i'm sorry uh yeah first five years at salomon sector she's now a sixth grader at frankfort
uh in the plano school district her brother reed is 10 and he's at he's a sector now called levine in fourth grade and deborah my daughter just turned 45 she's a single mother she has a son mika from mikhail who just turned 11 and he is now with levine formerly and spent the first uh trying to remember where he went to kindergarten i went to kindergarten here at the jcc spent his first three years at wise academy now deborah is a school teacher and she taught at wise academy for three years she now teaches english language arts i think is called language arts at uh
to ninth graders at hillcrest hillcrest high school all three grandchildren are good are really good students and they're good kids and everyone is different from the other and they all live here which is the greatest thing in the world oh yeah so that you know if you ask me what i'm proudest of that's when i'm proud of stuff is there anything that you want to add that i didn't think about i don't know what was missing i think we covered pretty well everything the rest would just be more pontificating you don't need that i am curious thank you what are some suggestions of the direction
you'd like to see the dallas year's community go you said some problems well i what would i like um no no i would i think what i what i presented problems just turn them around you know let's figure out ways of really communicating with one another let's figure out ways that will keep us more jewish in the widest definition of the term the the um the simplest way i know how to put it is how do we make sure what do we do to make sure that in my grandchildren's in our grandchildren's generation and in our great grandchildren's separation there's an identifiable jewish community here
that is distinguishable from any other group in the city how do you know how do you know that they're jewish really jewish you know you don't have to be jewish to like levy's rye bread you very much that's a great ending okay today is march 13th 2006. i'm roslyn benjet and i'm here talking to mo stein and our videographer is leslie wagner mo last time we talked we talked about you had retired at the end of 1990 and you went on to several different careers can you tell us a little bit about that well i went on to get my doctorate and i wound up teaching a non-profit organization in the graduate school at the university of texas at dallas i became consultant to the feldman family foundation to the feldman foundation one of the things that i'm particularly proud of or feel lucky enough to have been able to to do is to
be part of the founding of the big mid-rush of north texas which is an independent non-denominational multi-denominational pluralist i don't we haven't figured out the right word yet i'm sorry that's okay uh adele jewish at the egalitarian adult jewish education uh organization it was an idea that was originally born by as a result of two separate things that were happening with with ideas started by rabbi jordan offside sheriff israel and rabbi nancy caston in the reform movement and eventually they asked me to come in and work with and the result was a creation of the midrash by independent we mean that it's not affiliated with
any religious movement it's not affiliated with any other either nationally or in the community by non-denominational interdenomination whatever you want however you want to state it it means that we don't try to promote any particular stream of judaism and as far as possible like to talk or explain as much as we possibly can about the various jewish approaches to some issues so our teachers and the other thing that we stress is that we build on we don't try to compete with what's going on in other adult education activities in the community what we try to build on supplement them so we're kind of advanced uh
if if you look at us in comparison to most of what's going on in the community we're kind of a college addition so our teachers are either active to be academicians that are uh expert in a particular field that they're going to teach like for instance like philosophy or in holocaust or if they're rabbis they have to be expert in the particular thing that they're teaching whether it's halacha whether it's history and so forth so our teachers have to meet our standards the organization is lead driven our programs are not single shot events but they tend to be courses that run over a period of
six to eight weeks or six to twelve weeks as a matter of fact and we've done a variety of things all the way from halacha to to holocaust to jewish to the literature of the holocaust to jewish history our teachers have come from reform orthodox and conservative rabbis we have a number of professors that are college professors that have taught for us we managed to get about 50 or 60 students enrolled in in each of our terms we run on the basis of fall and spring terms and um our challenge is constantly to raise enough money to be able to do what we do the
challenge of all non-profits right right and if my perception is correct we're still in the business of trying to build a constituency for adult jewish education the reason i am so interested is because i think in our need to perpetuate or to continue judaism in the 21st century a jewish community that's that's literally that's got the judah judaic proficiency in the 21st century we really have to educate our adults as well as our children i think the community has come a long long way still has a way to go in terms of training it's teaching its children we've got a long way to go with
college students and we've got an even longer way to go with adults uh if for no other reason then we're if if if education if the jewish tradition or jewish continuity is carried along through the home that our parents and our grandparents have to be able to teach our children and grandchildren as well that's why i think it's so important and um how do you think this the organization about did do you think it changed adult uh jewish education in dallas any since midrash has started that depends on how many people know but what we found is that we get a number of students who
have gone through melt which is a fine program or have studied with their congregations or with the american jewish committee that really that really find that what they're getting is what in today's world we would call added value our teachers like teaching for us because they're not constrained by any particular curriculum they can teach what they really want to teach and what they're interested in and they like the response that they get from our students because the students really want to with maybe one possible exception our work is is almost exclusively seminar style where there's a lot of interaction between students and between teachers so
it's really learning so i guess if i wanted to stretch things it wouldn't be as close as possible as you can get the cabarrus education for bhutan where there's dialogue between um do you think that this will change in the future when there are more um graduates of jewish day schools who become parents and adults well i would that people will continue their education i certainly hope so i certainly hope so you know i i'm old enough to remember that when people when we were when they were starting to create the whole idea of jewish day and parent would be able to talk to parents
and the response was well you want my kid to be a rabbi as if that was all that was necessary to know there's there's a lot we have for we're probably the most well educated jews are without doubt the best educated subgroup in the united states today and jewish we were really illiterate there anything you would like to add no let's keep learning learning learning learning raws as you know is a lifetime proposition that's for sure there's there's a lot there's a lot more that we don't know than what we do know okay anything you want to say no audition well thank you very much
thank you for the opportunity mm-hmm okay okay okay great you