Muriel Pinkus
Muriel Pinkus was born in New York City in 1920, the oldest of three children. Her mother was born in the United States to immigrants from near Kiev in the Ukraine, and her father came from rural Hungary as a small child in 1888. Her father's family opened a grocery store on the Lower East Side and baked matzah for Passover, a venture that grew into the well-known Horowitz Margareten company, at one point led by a woman named Regina Margareten. Her father later became a lawyer and wrote a book whose royalties helped the family through the Great Depression. Raised in a religious home, Muriel attended Hebrew school, learned to read Hebrew, and carried a deep pride in her Jewish heritage throughout her life. She graduated from Hunter College in New York.
Muriel met her husband Ralph at a dance on the roof of the 92nd Street Y in Manhattan, drawn to his knowledge of trees, shrubs, and wildflowers, a passion she shared from her years as a Girl Scout and nature counselor. In 1942, Ralph, who worked at the New York Botanical Garden, was sent to Guatemala to cultivate quinine for the war effort, and the couple spent seven years on a plantation on the side of an extinct volcano, where their two sons were born. In 1950 they came to Dallas after Ralph answered an ad from a local florist. They eventually bought land on North Haven Road, part of which was later sold to the Jewish Community Center, and Ralph built his own nursery business.
In Dallas, Muriel and Ralph first joined Sherith Israel, then Temple Emanuel, drawn by Rabbi Levi Olan, before Muriel returned to the conservative services of Sherith Israel, where she felt most at home. She confronted the anti-Semitism and segregation of the era, including painful experiences involving the Guatemalan household helper who came with them. Fluent in Spanish, she became active in the Anti-Defamation League and traveled with Rabbi Leon Klenicki to South America for interfaith dialogue. She was a founding member of the Thanksgiving Square interfaith council and helped organize programs on figures such as Abraham Joshua Heschel, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and Reinhold Niebuhr. Ralph helped found the Dallas Arboretum. Muriel treasured her family, her Jewish heritage, and the teaching that one must never separate oneself from the community.
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this is February 26 2014 I am Janine Pullman at the wonderful home of Muriel Pinkus who I have the honor to interview today so that she can share with us in the Dallas Jewish Historical Society her memories her Legacy and her story Muriel why don't you begin by talking about your family your parents uh let me see U I was born in in New York City uh in 1920 my parents uh my my my mother was born in the states her parents had immigrated from bich which I understand was the Jewish suburb of of K in the Ukraine um my her my dad was born
on a farm in rural Hungary and was brought to the in 1888 and was brought to this country when he was 2 years old uh his family uh opened a little grocery store on the lury side in New York and the way that I heard the story they they they were very very religious really very religious um my dad had a thorough Hebrew upbringing um uh they baked matah for Passover and sold it in the little grocery store it was very good matah and It ultimately became a rather large company called Horwitz margaretten which was very well known by everybody in New York but outside
of New York it is not well known but I do recall that when we first came to Dallas in 1950 I saw horist Margaret and Moes on sale in Minyard's grocery store here in Dallas later on they the the company sold out to man schevitz and so har was margarit became defunct but when I was a kid it was interesting that the head of the company was a lady named Regina Margaret and I believe that it was quite unusual at that time in the 1920s for a pretty good size company to be run by a woman um and I remember too that when we were
living in Central America I would fly up to New York to visit my folks driving by and coming in the taxi from LaGuardia Airport into Manhattan where my folks lived I saw a big building to the left someplace out in Queens harit margarin and at that time that was the plant so it was kind of interesting so what type of influence did your parents have on you growing up um I think that they made me very proud to be Jewish I'm very grateful for the fact that when I was a kid they sent me to Hebrew school I can read Hebrew and I understand enough
of it so that I can really enjoy the services at my conservative congregation Sher with Israel here in Dallas uh I'm very proud of that and very thankful for it I I frankly feel that we have a beautiful wonderful proud Heritage and it's very very important that our children grow up knowing it I think the saddest thing in the world is an ignorant Jew who doesn't know know his own faith growing up did you have any special memories with your siblings well I was the oldest I remember thinking that they tried everything out on me and that was tough um uh there one there was
just 13 months between my brother and and myself and but my sister was five years younger sadly I am the only one left of the three now um but we fought like a bunch of kids and I do recall my dad was a lawyer but he had no knowledge of child psychology and when we kids could have a fight he had a an office in downtown Brooklyn but he also had like an office in our house and he would take us in the office and sit us by his desk and he would have us draw up a contract that we weren't going to fight anymore
and of course we'd have another fight after while so we would have to throw another contract but anyway uh that was how it was but it was it was it was okay we had a good life and um when I was U about it was during the Depression and there wasn't any law business my dad had a lot of time sitting in the office so he ended up writing a book that was taken over by some law schools and it was the royalty from that book that really helped out a lot during the Depression I remember how very very tough that Great Depression was and
I don't think a lot of people today have any uh realization of how hard that was on people I think the people who grew up during the Depression will never forget it anything in particular you want to share I just that uh I think that my parents parents were both very proud of their Jewish Heritage and I think that that was one thing that they really left with with me that was that was that's wonderful so when did you meet Ralph well I went to Hunter College in New York in Manhattan it was a free school because they couldn't afford to send me to a
pay College I graduated in 1936 uh the depths of the depression I started college in uh 19 I guess 1931 one with um and it was very good school I think I got an excellent education at Hunter College and and by the way I have a good friend here in Dallas who was in the same grade that I was in at Hunter when I first met Ethel Bruin back 60 years ago when we first came to Dallas she pointed her finger at me and said I know you and I said you do and she said Junior Richmond High School and Hunter College in New York
City we had never been in the same classroom together but this lady is a keen Observer which I am not and she recognized me from just passing me in the hall which I think is amazing we're friend to this day and growing up um and going to college were there any special things um what type of things did you like to do for amusement how did you get out and you know what kind of things did you do with your friends there wasn't very much Amusement that I can remember I remember that things were very tough and I remember that there was a lot of
anti-Semitism um I remember when I was in college and I thought I could maybe get some kind of weekend job I I applied for a job at American Airlines thinking I could do something and I was told that I had the wrong background I thought that was really interesting by the way too when we came to Dallas in 1950 I can remember a lot of that I remember uh when we moved to Dallas um we had been living in Central America and we brought a maid with us a Guatemalan girl and that gave me freedom to get out and I I worked as a Kelly
girl and uh I remember working at a place I'm going to lunch with some of the women I can I'll never forget that they they they they sensed that I was Jewish and they started telling these anti-jewish jokes and one of the things things they said was uh there was oh have you heard the one if I knew you were coming I'd have baked the Kik I can never forget that and I thought it was horrible and you know it was very uh very tough and the as I see the difference between then and now it's amazing and I don't think that our young people
today know how tough it was then and how lucky they are to live in 2014 um I remember that we uh we were looking for a house and we looked at a house someplace over little house some place over near Love Field and as we were leaving the owner said to me well one thing I want to tell you about this house ain't no Jews on this block that was zeis in the 1950s and uh it's a really different world today and I think we have to give credit to the Roman Catholic church because I think that um the leadership of the church and particularly
Pope Paul I 6 and John the 23rd were very um affected by the effect results of the Holocaust and uh when the second the church came out with the the second Vatican Council was in the 19 I think 61 to 65 and they came out with this uh wonderful document Nostra that says that you cannot blame all the Jews of Jesus time or any of the Jews of subsequent times for the for the death of Jesus because I remember even when I was a kid you know uh being hearing Jews accused of killing Christ and uh I think that the the church really took the
lead in um diminishing anti-Semitism uh I became active in the anti-deformation league you know I speak Spanish because we had lived in Central America and uh the man back this was way back in charge of interfaith relations for the Anti-Defamation League on the National level out of New York was Rabbi Leon keni have you heard of him yeah Leon was born in Buenos Iris and so when he heard that I speak Spanish oh you got to come to South America with me and he was going periodically to South America to dialogue with members of Salam Salam is the con aisal Latino Americana the Latin American
Council of Bishops so yes I was delighted to go with him but I love to talk about my Judaism and so four times I went about five of us would go down there we went to bogot Colombia and then twice we went to wos Iris and then the last time we went to Brazil I didn't like that very much because they speak Portuguese right and I can't speak that but I loved going to South America Ralph has a lot of family in B Ares it was kind of interesting to meet his family so why don't you skip back and tell us how you and Ralph
met okay well I was living in Manhattan and uh the why we lived within walking distance of the 92nd Street the famous 92nd Street ym AJ they had a lot of interesting programs there and during the summer uh every Wednesday night they had a nice dance day did you know that on the roof for young people and so I heard about it and I made a date with one of my girlfriends to go to this dance on a Wednesday night but I didn't have a boyfriend even to CH we were want to meet somebody and uh I was going to go and then the day
of the the dance Natalie calls me and said I don't want to go so I said okay I won't go either my mom heard oh you go you go you go just to keep her quiet I went I went to the dance and was standing there and I see this nice tall goodlook guy coming over and ask you to dance oh and by the way when I was a kid I was a Girl Scout and I was always very very interested in the nature study you know and I I I was I I went to Scout Girl Scout camp in the summertime and I loved
the nature study and I knew the names of all the trees and the wild flowers in the New York area but I remember remember and I was a nature counselor at a kids camp for a couple of Summers but there was one little Wildflower there that I could not identifyed and the camp was in U A a state park in be Mount bare Mountain Park and there was a little Nature Center several miles from our camp and I remember that on my day off I walked several miles to find out because I had specimens of wild flowers and glass jars of water and I wanted
to find it buged me that I couldn't identify this little blue flower so I walked down there on my day off several miles and turn up it was a purple gerardia so when I went to this stance on the roof of the Y and I asked Ralph what he does he said he was working at the New York botanic garden up in Bronx Park and he was in charge of the tree and shrub collection I said well what do you know about W oh I know them too he said he was he was an eagle scout and that was very impressive to me uh and
I said well can you recognize a purple gerardia he said oh sure I was very impressed with that um we both loved the out ofd doors you Ralph loved planting things I didn't particularly love planting things but I loved walking through the woods and knowing the names of every tree and every Bush and every wildflower that I saw that was fun and I could do that up in New York down here neither Ralph nor I can identify by any dog on thing and it doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would you know maybe if I were younger it would but when I'm
older whether I know it or not I don't care but when I was young it was fun to know the names of things so I was very impressed with he with the fact that he you know he knew all that it was and um on dates you know we'd go out in the country sometimes and and poke around it was it was a lot of fun he was wonderful company a wonderful guy and what brought you to Dallas we were living in Central America you know we spent seven years on a PL a quinine Plantation in Guatemala and it was time to come back to
the States I had two little kids both born in Guatemala and um Ralph was looking for a job and he uh we got the different trade magazines and answered some ads to people and he got an ad with some florist in Dallas and so we just came to Dallas we had this job he didn't he stayed for a little while and and he worked for another Nursery but he always wanted to have his own thing so we ended up buying the land on North Haven Road I found the land wandering driving around looking for a place and we bought that land U there was no
Jewish Community Center out there people think we bought the we we came later but no the Jewish Community there it was originally a big piece like 16 acres and we want the 9 acre half there was a 7 acre half left and a few years later the Jewish Community Center came along and bought the other Seven Acres so when you first moved here where did you live in Dallas uh we first lived we didn't know where to live we lived in O Cliff that was we brought we brought a maid with us too uh Victoria Figaroa was a very decent person I had two little
kids and we thought it would be good to bring a m it was not a good idea Toya was half black her father was an American black man who had gone to Guatemala to work on the Railroad and married a native woman and I I had never ever ever been in a segregated Society I didn't know anything about it and so we asked her to come to the states so I thought it was a good idea she could help with the kids she thought it was a good idea but when we got here we found this place was segregated it was very tough for her
I mean I can remember once she wanted she needed some dental work I said oh Baylor University has a clinic I'll take you there you know it'll be real cheap so I took her to Baylor to get some dental work and they took one look at her and they took me aside and they said I'm very sorry we don't Fe black I mean it was very very very but she was a very good sport she was a a good a good person she stayed a year she said she'd come for at least a year and and then she went back but it was very she
was a very devout 7eventh Day Adventist and U every Saturday morning R would drive her down to South Dallas to go to the africanamerican 7eventh Day Adventist Church and that was a big thing for her when did you join uh congregation sherith Israel uh we originally joined Temple first we joined sherith because I grew up conservative but at that time the I did not like the rabbi I thought he was a opinionated and everyone was raving about Levi Olan who was a rabbi of Temple Emanuel so we went to hear Levi Olan preach a couple of nights he was a marvelous marvelous preacher and we
were just hooked you know so we left share with Israel and we joined Emmanuel probably not to maybe 1951 you know we were MERS of Emanuel about 50 years and then um I finally realized I'm really not a re for je you know I I can read Hebrew I went to Hebrew school as a kid I love this the Hebrew service I believe there is a God and U I love hearing the the caner chant in Hebrew uh and I really enjoy the conservative services so what we remembers of Emmanuel oh I don't mean I remember you know became friends with Jordan alire who was
a rabbi at Sher Israel I was part of an Interfaith group that I needed a speak around Judaism and at that time the rabbi at Emanuel with Jack bod oh and yeah I know I know it was I I was doing something with the Texas the Greater Dallas community of churches and um I went to speak to the executive director at that time and he were talking in the conversation he said you know he had come to Dallas from Tulsa he said every time I do something with a rabbi the rabbi ends up taking it over well at that time I knew that if Jack
I liked Jack bod I taught Sunday school when Jack bod was Rabbi and we got along fine I liked him but I knew that he would take it over so I thought well who's low key and really easy to get along ah Jordan offire but I called Rabbi offire who at that time I did not know well we became good friends later uh and I asked him to help out and he did and he was marvelous so then and and you know I grew up Cons considering myself conservative we were never Affiliated because we really couldn't afford the dues but uh we were we were
I did go to Hebrew school and we we considered ourselves conservative so I feel much more at home in the conservative environment when did you start getting involved in the Jewish organizations oh it took a while because because when we first came you know we when you come to a strin city I mean we were gone for seven years Janine I know what it feels like to be an immigrant you know in those seven years this country had changed a lot everything was infinitely more expensive than we remembered and it was just different and the Dallas Community you know was not very welcoming uh we
had saved some money but we we were very Thrifty I was you know we was starting from scratch so we bought a very inexpensive little frame house in University Park and U you people were kind of up especially at Emmanuel uh and um it was difficult at first so uh we became active in the North Dallas Chamber of Commerce that was fun uh the executive director was a very lovely guy named Ford and Rose uh with we liked Gordon very much and we became active Ralph was chair of the parks committee I chaired the education committee and was a lot of fun uh you know
we had I had a lot some interesting meetings with the education committee I still have some of the old bulletins with my picture in them um but and Ralph but wasin the but wasin the post committee that Ralph met Neil stur and they ended up uh you know being the impetus by the founding of the Dallas arberit and R was very proud of that and I am very proud of him for that that's interesting um how do you think Dallas has changed over the years what changes oh tremendously tremendously it was a nice little town when we got here in 1950 but um it was
very kind of clannish and even the Jewish community that we saw in iuel was extremely clannish I think it's become much there's been a big influx of newcomers and I think that they have including we have changed the place so that I think it's much more open and welcoming now I also think that the Christian Community thanks maybe to Second Vatican Council and the Catholic church I think you know Bishop Charles groman who was a bishop at the the IIs was a lovely man and I got to know him quite well and I and he was good friends with Jordan offire and uh I I
think that there's been a tremendous change in the openness and the and the uh um how shall I say worldliness of the population if you have if you were to share something with your grandchildren about your life in Dallas and what was important to you what would you say is the number one and number two and maybe number three what are those three things well what I would like to tell them is fr the T says do not separate yourself from the community you remember who you are and where you came from and don't leave it you know uh it's up to you and it
also says you know it isn't in the to some it's in p u it isn't incumbent to it is not incumbent upon you to finish the task but you are not free from beginning it so that if something isn't right for you don't say oh that's no good but get involved in something that's working to make it better so I think that's what I would like to and I think that they're like that I think my grandson Jared who is a lawyer in Chicago I think he's involved in the community and that's great aon's young but they do go down to that kabad house downtown
and and you know they're involved I think it's nice yes any special role models or people that influenced your life I think my husband you know my husband was a wonderful wonderful guy I kind of it's okay I'm Miss ter I'm sure you do I think that I really grew up after I married my husband and I think the person most that most influenced my life is real Lily Lillian um Muriel this has been a wonderful experience for me I appreciate very much you sharing all of this with me and um I'm unless you have something else you'd like to tell tell us there's anything
else I'm going to turn off the camera okay what you're doing is such a great public service so this is a picture of Lillian no sorry start over again this is um this is Janine interviewing Muriel and I keep saying Lillian so you're going to have to do a lot of um I have no idea how many times I get called Lillian do you really oh then I won't feel so bad so this is Muriel and Ralph and Muriel tell the story of you and Ralph where you were if you can remember where you were at this I remember where we were I think it
was before we were married and we we you know we dated a lot we dated for a year and a half before we got married we had a marvelous time together I always felt just right when I was with r it's lovely so we're going to turn this is a special album made by um granddaughter is Tamar Tamar and you can see there's a family picture here this is Muriel's Mom right here and her father mhm and David mhm and then this picture over here they're in the guillotine outside of Washington DC outside of Washington M and this picture right here tell us about that
picture we were living in Guatemala we went in 1942 the war was on and uh Ralph was working at the New York botanic garden and apparently the botanic arten was approached by MK the American Drug Company uh to go down to Guatemala and cultivate quinine it comes from a tree the bark of a tree and they needed uh the quinine bark because Merc was a major processor of medicine for the malaria at that time there was no aderin and and they we we had troops fighting in the Pacific who were Contracting Valaria so uh Ralph came back from the brunks botanic garden when day and
said how would you like to go to Guatemala for a year they were afraid that I might be afraid to lose leave my mama I thought it would be the greatest Adventure Bel and I both loved adventure and I was delighted to go my mom was very understanding and um uh we were glad to go so we went to Guatemala and we uh lived on this Plantation on the side of an extinct volcano the way we got around was the back of a mule uh we did not have horses because the roads were very steep up and down and burp roads are dusty in the
summer and as Dusty as can be and West can be in the winter uh the way Val had to put chains on the tires of the vehicle when he was driving because the the car would slip so much in the mud and the roads you know you're driving on the side of the mountain and there's a cliff going up on one side and the cliff going down and one fall step and you're down in the gorge and and you had to be very very careful how you drove um so this was our our house in Guatemala we had a nice little lawn and then Ralph
had an amarus collection here but he was propagating them you know he always like to propagate things and plant the seeds so the BL the blooms would Bloom these most beautiful flowers and then he would pollinate them and cover Ry flow with a little plastic bag so that the bees couldn't get out it and change his and swirl his pollination so I end up with a garden of plastic bags and this is a picture of the family yes is that in Guatemala no that was here because uh John was a baby when we came and David was six so this was I don't remember when
we took that okay I think I had two handsome kids you did and this was your last trip last we went to Spain yes uh we can speak the language and that was interesting but I found the Spaniard is very inhospitable whereas the the Latin Americans are wonderful I like them very wherever we went to Latin America except Brazil because I speaks Portuguese and I couldn't communicate but we speak the language very well we're very comfortable with it and any place I went in Latin America except Brazil I was very very happy but I found the Spaniards I think they have three favorite Expressions one
is no ey that means there isn't any they love to tell you in and another one is aaser it's closed you know and the other one is no separated you go down you can't do it can't be done you go down to the the Hotel dining room in the morning for breakfast and you want uh scrambled eggs no se EG you can't have them like we can't do only fried you know they're very very uncooperative I would never go back to Spain and just a few more pictures of the love of her life mhm this is my boy that and my granddaughter did this book
and um I think my granddaughter Tammy does a wonderful job she puts together all these family books my son D David has a whole collection of them and this is a picture with your whole family or most of your family show show me who everyone is please okay there Ralph and um I think that was David and me and my dad and my mom and my brother Jerry and his wife Edie Jerry is gone now but I still talk to Edie she lives in Utah she's a lovely lovely girl and this was my sister who was Gracie who was a widow they're my my two
siblings are gone now I'm the only one left but Gracie and her children David and Elizabeth and Rebecca and um this is my son David's wedding picture with her parents uh dening with parks and uh and B and Carol is a very lovely girl I love him very much and tell me about this picture right here oh I like we went I don't remember what how we got out there but this is that Lake in Texas is the I can't remember the name of it but my kids would know and other people would know it's the only natural lake in Texas and we went rowing
on it we were I just love to row I was rowing I like to row and you were rowing and Ralph was relaxing Ralph was looping yes love it and this one this one was in grin Texas there's a little Park we were on the way down to Clarice and Julia me's 50th wedding anniversary party in San Antonio I'll never forget that we stopped there for lunch years ago let's see and this picture right here oh I think that was my 90th birthday I don't remember what that was but that's the whole family together there my son John and his wife Lillian it almost looks
like it's a wedding cake but it was was it an anniversary party maybe it was an anniversary party could be could be I don't Maybe I'll bet you're right I'll bet you're right and then there's Aaron and uh eron's girlfriend Pam who's much prettier than that shows and my grandson Justin that's he's the son and then Ralph and my oldest son David Justin is David's youngest and then this is a cousin of Ralph's the Widow of a cousin of rals Barbara Pinkus and then David's lovely wife Carol I think I think my son John must have taken the picture cuz he's not there right uhhuh
and let's see this was my 90th birthday cuz there's my old friend elel gruan who've been friends for 60 years and her her her daughters and then my grandson Jared who came down from Chicago he's a he's a peach of you couldn't find a a nicer nicer guy and then the old lady and and these were just people up in the Legacy that were came to see what was going I think I see Bey tidle bomb in adol yeah yeah uhhuh yeah right they're wonderful they are wonderful and I'm looking to see if there was anything else we were going to show oh this this
was the same picture over there and this is another beautiful family picture right [Music] here Muriel this has been terrific oh this is not good go ahead this was our 60th wedding anniversary and we had a big party we had a we had a wonderful time we were still living in the house very nice yeah M this one was the same day right yeah I don't know what they do with that dress I wish I had it now I may have G it away cuz I got fat now it would it would pickly fine now never the moral is never give away an old dress
what is this picture of oh this was uh here you know not too long before I lost Ralph and uh my granddaughter Tammy was down here visiting from her home in Edmonton Canada and uh with her to children uh Hunter Hunter who's a teenager probably about 15 now he's a very very very nice kid uh and then her daughter Hudson who as you can see is a pistol but she she's learning how to ride horses now and she's learning how to jump she's about nine and then my grandson Justin who lives in Dallas this he's the youngest of mine Tammy this is my son my
older son David and his oldest child Tammy Tamar and his youngest child Justin and then my son John I think took the picture and then John's wife Lillian and U Lillian and John's kids are not here yeah very nice yeah and then Tammy oh and then and then this is Ken Tammy's husband who was very unusual that attempt that that they could come together but this time they did nice let's see if we're missing anything else oh this was a a a picture that we took about a year before we Lo before I lost Ralph we were staying with David and Carol live in Gun
Barrel City we spent the night with them and uh Carol took this we were just sitting one relaxing on the sofa and Carol went ran and grabbed her grabbed her camera and came back with it this is a beautiful no no no wait wait wait wait wait excuse me says Fina El yeah okay yes that was the the steps of our house yeah that's very nice very okay now I can see you I forgot to take off the cab Muriel would you like to talk about Thanksgiving well Thanksgiving Square Thanksgiving square is an institution here in Dallas people think that it's just a little Park
in the center of downtown Dallas but it's infinitely more than that there is a building on the park that has a very lovely little chapel in it and uh that's used for weddings and you know different events that's the building was defined by the famous architect Philip Johnson and then there's an interesting meeting room downstairs and um when I was involved with the ADL uh I had the idea of putting on an interface program because I said that Christians and Jews and this was just Christian Jewish at that time uh with the words that mean one thing to US mean something else like Messiah for
instance and and Redemption you know and salvation and so we had a meeting and um someone invited Elizabeth esperson who was at that time was the executive director of Thanksgiving Square in Downtown Dallas I didn't know anything about the square at that time but Elizabeth was a wonderful very interesting and very able did you know her able lady she was a former Roman Catholic nun I never asked her why she stopped being a nun I figured if she wanted be to know she'd tell me but I never but anyway she was a a really great girl and um um we got got involved with them
and then after I got to I met Elizabeth and after a while she called me and said that she was setting up i s of an Interfaith group and she called it the chapel committee at that time and I think it was because the founder Peter Stewart was not too enthusiastic about this interface Council idea but she got together a group and I was part of it and then Mark Herer who at that time was a Lutheran Minister today he's a retired bishop and then Bishop Charles groman from the Roman Catholic dasis was involved and uh several Israel calora you Roman Catholic late person and
and we met periodically and we talked about our own religions and uh it was very interesting I I always felt that there is tremendous ignorance in the Gentile Community about Jews and the Judaism and I love to talk about the Jewish religion uh when Levi Olen was Rabbi here uh when Emanuel got a request for someone to go to help by Judaism very often he'd send me and I I love doing it and uh so I was happy to join so uh somehow I met Elizabeth and uh she called me one day and said that she's setting up this group and would I like to
join oh I'd love to it's just the kind of thing I'd love to do so we we I've been a member of this for many many years and now it has grown uh we have people people of every faith we have uh Jews uh Christians of many denominations Muslim Hindu uh seik uh bahai and uh we got together they put on events uh we did we we haven't done many I have been very much less active but I'm feeling better physically now and I think I'm going to start going again I haven't gone I want to suggest that they need to do more programs I
think the last big program we had suggested it uh we used to do oh uh I think the first one we did uh Mark Herer suggested it was on dri Von hoofer the German uh Minister you know who was hung by adol Hitler and then after that that was such a big success that they used to said oh we ought to continue doing these meetings so all you me said let's do one on Abraham Joshua Hessel Rabbi Hessel has always been my hero I think that his books are wonderful the way that he wrote about God and His the Jewish concept of man's relationship to
God and so I said well let's do a program on on Abraham Joshua hesel and then uh Joe Tyson who is a now a retired professor of religion at SMU was there and Joe said well we could only do want a Hessel if we invite his daughter Susanna hesel to come down and speak and at that time I think Susanna was teaching at went of some college up in the Mig West we see okay she wanted an honorarium I had to raise the money for her honorarium which I did and so she came down and she gave a very good talk about her father was
a fascinating fascinating man I have several of his books um and so then they that was a big success and so then they decided they will go on and do more program we have done a program on like Pope John the 23rd Albert outler um Martin Luther King Mahatma Gandhi the last one we did um I suggested it was on Reinhold neber who was the great Christian um Theologian of the early 30s who was uh he had been very well very much influenced by Judaism in his younger years and was a he and and hesel were friends and uh so we haven't done any lately
but I want to suggest that we we have never done one on a Muslim and I read lately that there was a Muslim uh novelist who went a f surprise his name was nag Maus and I haven't don't know much about him but we have a very interesting Muslim member of the interface Council I want to suggest to him see what he thinks of it I think that we going to do one on on a Muslim and that may be the next thing we ohala I hope so thank you ohala the Spanish word they never there's no there's no um parallel in English it just
means I hope so and uh it just comes out without thinking every once in a while I hope so thank you it's a neat word