Nancy Marancenbaum
Nancy Marancenbaum was born and raised in Santa Cruz, Bolivia. Her family carried Jewish roots that had been hidden over generations. Her father, who spoke little about the past, came from the Yugoslavia and Croatia region and had fled antisemitism. Her mother's family, whose maiden name was Cabrera, traced back to Toledo, Spain, and had been forced to convert during the Inquisition. Nancy grew up in a largely assimilated home, noticing differences such as not having a Christmas tree, but did not learn of her Jewish identity until she was in her twenties. Later, one of her brothers found the family name in a book listing Jews connected to Spain.
Nancy married her husband, a childhood neighbor whose family had come from Poland and settled in Bolivia by way of Buenos Aires. When she decided to marry, she pursued conversion and began studying to understand her heritage. Together with a small group of about fifteen Jewish friends in Santa Cruz, Nancy and her husband helped build a Jewish community, purchasing land for a cemetery and later a synagogue. In the absence of a permanent rabbi, families relied on a visiting cantor who flew in from Buenos Aires. Nancy learned to bake and provided challah bread for her community.
About twenty years ago, Nancy and her husband moved to Dallas, drawn by family already living there, including relatives who had survived the Holocaust. Their son had come to study at SMU on a scholarship and became a doctor, their daughter became a dentist after studying in Israel and Guadalajara, and another son also studied in the United States. In Dallas Nancy found a warm and welcoming community, becoming involved with Temple Emanu-El and other study groups. She embraced a deeper spiritual life, keeping Shabbat and kosher, and treasured her studies of Torah, Hebrew, and Jewish tradition, sharing what she learned with her family and expressing deep gratitude for her experiences.
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my name is may siebel it is march 1st 2020 and i am interviewing nancy marinson baum for the one story at a time project viva shalom celebrating latin jews in dallas good afternoon nancy good afternoon will you please tell us where you are from originally yeah i this is the am of the country that i became okay uh talk about when and why your family originally emigrated to bolivia yeah i have really not much information about that because my dad for example didn't want to talk much about just i remember him that he was crying and playing his violin and then he said yeah they
came from yugoslavia croatia and he said that they moved to carcovia and they were like a very antisemitic place they played something like that i was little you know and we didn't ask much because he didn't talk much about that only that uh he said that they apparently came in really in his case you know was uh just few information about because he was he was he and his one brother and in my mom case she said that her family came from they were living in toledo in spain and they're saying she was telling us about that in those years they have for example the
last name didn't exist just for the occupation for example of the family what did he do and my mom was cabrera and she said that the grandma or parents they said that they take care of the ship you know like so that that is the last name came from so but they came you knew in the inquisition was that they she said that they were and they quit because they obligated not to force you know to change that uh believe it you know so they didn't want to really they they cut so i was i have that information recently in my 20s not before because
when i was uh i wanted to get married with my husband and she knew that but we were neighbors you know and we know that the city is very small and we know each other so when my mom knew that i wanted to get married with my husband when she said okay i need to because i said i need to do my conversion because i don't know anything to study because we were talking when did you find out that you were a jewish person and my 20s you know i'm now only 70 years but like a 40s year i got married you know more or
less and and this is my my story you know we try to find with my brother because i have two brothers they are lawyers and then one of them went began to to try to find some story about our family in spain that was easy than croatia you know and i am talking really more than 40 years so was the information not easy we didn't have a internet nine thousand years there and yeah he founded our last name in a book that is the name of the book is the the the jewish that all the jews work for spain for example how the culture of
a famous different jewish so in the the list of the jews and i'm talking more than four years ago so you know talk with my brother that please give me the book or the name so yeah i i need to find that that is very very interesting because it's more than four years ago and after that you know those like three years ago that they began to give the in spain the residence for for the citizens for the jewish like for example my son-in-law he got his residence in in spain just last year you know because jewish you know tell me about your life growing
up and in bolivia what was it like uh jack we met with the jewish friend that we haven't and we decided okay we didn't have any cinema nothing because in my case my husband parent his parents came from bologna and and all the other families they didn't want to show that really the jewish because recently they were you know killing that was past the the war and my my father-in-law didn't want to show that they were jewish they want to fight and then to give them forever and we began to study we began to be together like a couple to study the torah like by
ourselves trying to understand and yeah we decided okay it's time maybe to to to be together and to do something one of them said okay our parents really i have my grandparents and they are going to do that and it's a good idea to have a piece of land for the cemetery so we bought a piece of friends of the cemetery that i have the document with us that we have a part you know there so and my husband began to learn how to do like a to be a hair collection and yeah they were learning you know and yeah i have we began that
recently 20 years ago when i moved was your life like growing up in bolivia as a young child what do you recall about your family life in bolivia was we do like a normal families you know around us and just was normal you know my mom and i remember those beautiful years you know my mom has a sister and they have a beautiful farm and we used to spend you know our time you know studying for like normal families but uh doing our normal life you know and nothing different you know for the other family is you know but i what about your siblings my
brothers and sisters my brother's sister yes you know my question was why the other family has a christmas tree and we did it we didn't but even you know even my parents were assimilated because this is the the my my life you know but they didn't want that we'd be involved with the other like we were living in the community the the the crazy and or catholic but i feel like if we were really like in and out at the same time what the and i began you know to i i realized that but they didn't want to show anything about that they belong to
the judah is due to jewish unions were they mad athlete where you raised catholics they were they would they converted to catholics you know but they didn't do any kind of how do you say paris or something like that like the other people like the catholic people you know so so what's like this so i grew up in like this and we didn't ask much we were very happy i remember that i didn't care about that i like only play everything about you know like normal kids but you know i understand this they assimilated but they that they didn't celebrate christmas it was my mom
birthday and even i knew that my mom didn't celebrate her birthday on that she born she celebrated just in christmas i don't know it was our purpose you know to to have that kind of celebration or instead of christmas so did your family were they involved with the jewish community you had jewish do you still have family in the world yes i have my my brothers i'm with me when i began with my judah to to begin to looking for in what happened with my self what is our life what is really in my and so my brothers came to me to hide again to
do shabbat you know and i put that one began with my husband you know because when we met with my husband we're growing since we were little so we were neighbors and this is the other part of my life really my life began with my husband but because we incredible but we wanted to be to have a jewish family so we began how is life for your brothers in in bolivia uh is it comfortable comfortable to be in the country yeah yes it's comfortable it's good because you know they are they didn't have that kind of passion because uh in my case you know it
was like pushing me from here that kind of that i needed to find myself my identity you know my relationship with god with hashem that i got when i funded that i went i began to share with my brothers my sister and they were so happy to know to share their shabbos you know to understand what is the meaning and to be you know and they they are very happy all the time because they are learning not today is more information is open you know and i try you know all the time to be together to say okay this is all the holidays that we
are doing so they are knowing and why and why we celebrate so i am in touch i try to be you know the the leader or how do we call they like her morale like a teacher you know guiding them that's wonderful um how and why did you all make the decision to move to us you know my we have family here from my husband's side because from my side i don't have any family was just my mom and her sister and my dad and his brother and they passed away and in those years my son my i have a two son and one daughter
and they study at american school in bolivia in santa cruz and my understand they received you know part of it because it was very intelligent and here is the part of the we call becca uh in english is like a part of the study like a like a gift for the best student and scholarship a scholarship and he applied you know at the smu and he came here to study so because why don't because we have my husband my father-in-law her sister his sister she survived from the holocaust with the franklin family she got married with the salomon pregnant and uh so my son came
here and he studied all the career he is a doctor and he didn't want to come back to college of course you know all the beautiful life you know because more everything everything is the education is here so the year passed my daughter went to israel to study just for one year we didn't know you know the hebrew whatever the part was very hard because we didn't have like bolivia we don't have just we celebrate well once a year you know the the rosh hashanah we bring rabbis or even we couldn't find a rabbi with just a cantor and they used to fly to buenos
aires that is three hours you know and we were very familiar we went outside argentina and we do that so my my son didn't want to come back decided to start the heat to stay here regular family very close with the pregnant and after that my doctor went to israel for one year she decided it's very hard to stay in jail because i don't understand and i want to to study soon because she wanted to do a dentist so she's a dentist but she came to guadalajara to guadalajara mexico because was the country that really if she wanted to come to bolivia not so far
you know so okay we decided okay my husband is studying in monterrey mexico he's a chemical engineer and okay what's easy to the connection to the study at the guadalajara so she came together studying and she got married with a guy that is separately from cuba so they are from cuba and my jacket son came here too and he studied at the ut so at the end they said no you have to move to here because we are not coming back i say okay no problem we are going there and the situation was very bad in bolivia so we decided to move here this is
the reason because we have family here surviving from the holocaust um what was your family's reaction back in bolivia to your decision to move today he passed away many years ago when my second daughter was very little and then really my mom was was very very sad but for the other side she said you are growing your family will be more opportunities in the jewish community wherever that you choose as a wonderful soul she was you know with us but she knew that we came back you know for vacation when she moved back for the past year she passed away so anyway she was she
was very happy that i did that situation because she knew that i wanted to learn more and yeah how long have you been in dallas 20 years 20 years ago 20 years ago so very very happy because i wanted to learn i i wanted to grow in in my spiritual life this was my concern you know and at the beginning i went to we were thinking my son knew the you know the rabbi nancy casten at the snu it was really very beautiful that he said pokemon he's a rabbi because in bolivia we didn't see rabbi you know what they were just religious tradition you
know more than religion because we didn't have shul temple so after 20 years ago we we they built the cinema we were here so we didn't see that kind of beautiful you know emotion and to building the the house for hashem you know for the thought freedom to learn to receive that kind of beautiful anyway here i'm very happy to be here because i can feel my spirit in myself because you know we went to the temple emmanuel that's really beautiful beautiful people they know the friendly family when we say pregnant was really beautiful because they know because they have the synagogue here that uh
he's on churchill and huge i see so it's the name of the street that is the cinema charter and the kitchen was donated and she has the name my my husband and because she was the sister of my father-in-law so he's sitting outside the wall outside with her name so i will have to learn you know more more about the spirituality i want to be a beautiful connection what is the choice what is the meaning of the jewish life this is like for me what's the most important what were your feelings in first impressions about the united states and dallas i came here you know
for vacation before that i came to live you know so because my son was living here and we came to visit the family so it's really a beautiful it's a wonderful difference i want to say in the beautiful way because you know hashem created everything and if you could ask in bolivia that this small country is a rich country but you know when you don't have a really a good education what we say for education so we don't think but anyway when i all the time i see oh everything here you know you can study it's easy everything for me was a beautiful experience because
the people smiling all the time it's amazing i say i am very thankful with the sharing with everybody and this country with the people and even you know not jewish even they are so nice so very very very nice people so you didn't feel like it was a big adjustment to live here not really because i tried to find your the soul of the person the connection do i try to find the good things instead to say okay i'm not the same like you or because i feel that i belong you know to the whole universe that my soul is from hashem you know together
so one is blue sky in the earth so i decided okay i have the separation because i know my my separation is like this for example the it's very hard you know the idolaters who idolatry and to be one god so my life you know this is my point and i time that kind of you know because when i suffer not to be you know like a like a born like i miss that kind of education like when you grow up and live when you have your mom and your daddy that you have jews and how that i feel that for example i feel when
i tried for i was studying you know torah and i found the beautiful orthodox people and are amazing it's amazing that but in my case that i did my returning i don't feel like i'm not jewish because you know i didn't i didn't grow like a other families you know traditional that only i knew by my mom that i was but i was at 20 years but they can't do it you know so i began to like build or rebuild myself my soul even if you knew sometimes they don't recognize me because my i didn't in buenos aires i get married i study in bolivia
with some family that they came from israel i learned my hebrew not much you know just to read the torah to understand what i am reading when i pray and um even i was in israel like just few last year and with my husband was our was so amazing experience but that kind of connection is that i try to to keep you know to feel and i think that i can so i understand why we need to keep shabbat all the way about why are you jewish this is amazing even if sometimes you know for our how can i how can my family be jewish
the the orthodox they don't consider jewish and if not i'm going for that way but what is the difference between with the i didn't know in those years when i went to that uh synagogue in argentina i didn't know about the orthodox or the conservative or the reform so at the past of the year when i was learning and learning and learning recently i did oh wow it's a difference and we need to disrespect each one because it's a the person who is growing up if you have a light and sometimes you you are lying but in my case i wanted to learn more and
more and to be more spiritual so when i began to be i am talking about four years ago that i decided okay i'm going to begin to follow the what is the one that want for me what what do you want so i need to learn what the what the torah says why to keep shabbat why to be cautious why and then i began to discover why to be cautious i began with that kind i did you know when i converted or returning or doing my two days like this i do a migraine all the time you know in bolivia we don't have anything so
we used to go to the river one a month you know it was a very beautiful experience and after that you know to give me that you know everything about the rule about it they keep a pure in a in bolivia even for my community i used to i studied how to you know to be a a baker i studied and i began to do the hala bread from my community for my friends so i all the time in shop at noon i have everything ready so everything in santa cruz is a small city so they came to be they had a friend so i
was so happy doing that and i was forgetting now that i was selling that so it was amazing very interesting um how welcoming did you find dallas when you came here you mean about our community yes yes just how yeah tell us about your about your latin american jewish community it's amazing because you know when i came to here i was talking about my son introduced me rabbi nancy gaston and david that is really amazing amazing person and a i was thinking in my daughter-in-law that they my son got married and she'd be she should not use and she began to study and we said
maybe in the community you know reform is more flexible to practice your children so with that idea in my mind we came to the to the temple manner and really was amazing amazing amazing people amazing rabbis and they receive us very very happy very lovely and after that you know i live very close from here and the jewish community all the time here you know we are we are frequently come here it's like our home so what's what's amazing this is my experience you know and and even something sometimes i use just like i see more like three years ago i used to go to
the oratora to study that orator is the community that they do a service for the learner service that really learn i i learned a lot you know about you guys everything about torah and what's amazing they still the rabbi epstein is very known in dallas in rava fighting even we have the trip to israel guidance with him that was amazing experience so all my life you know i can say i'm very very happy i'm very i can i say that i'm very sensitive for the beautiful friends like you that i met you studying a hebrew that really was a wonderful time that we spent you
know so you wanted to tell us about a cemetery that yes yes really because we didn't have just a group of friends that maybe were we were like no more than 15 people friends and then we decided one of them they have their parents grandparents and they were beginning to sing in the cemetery before the synagogue because they apparently said no really it's very impossible we have in cochabamba other cities and the problem the the new generation the generation they say no but we are living in santa cruz bolivia so we can not go there and it's very hard to say you know the the
people you know if our family are dead so we decided okay we need to do that we need to fight we need to keep money if we are going to buy we are going to convince our plan that we need to buy a land here you know so we did that more than i am talking 20 years ago when we moved they buy a land for the cinahl they build our friends that we were very very sad to be here but for the other side very happy that they decided to build a synagogue and they have a beautiful scenario there but anyway we are you
know and that our friend they said they are doing a document that uh we belong you know with that generation that we built the synagogue and the cemetery you know that we have the document you know that we we have that even until now we don't have a rapper you know even if we know that it's a pure you you jewish education but it's something that we have really the the heart and yeah the our counter are federal motor that he lives in buenos aires he comes every year even for the bar mitzvah or the batman but only the bad mitzvah because the the parent
they didn't want to celebrate for example bad means but because they say no it doesn't exist no it's not it's a woman i don't need that but the one of the cantor uh that they came from buenos aires he said no it's okay we are going to teach the girl what is that they need to do that they knew how to keep their house how to keep the shutters and that's it is nothing more like that so i have a beautiful you know uh tape about the first barbie's batman in in santa cruz the four girls we were friends the four girls the same age
and they did a bad mix but you know it was amazing you know that was the first one and they when we have a bar mitzvah like my son dvd or the all the videos the people our friends from the other city coach la paz they came they moved to santa cruz for example to have the party to have all the weekend for example thursday to have the and we use the same with the families that they have our barbies we fly to that so so now they they they are you know they have more history in la paz in conchavamba too but in santa
cruz because was a few family you know but anyway we have a synagogue it's so beautiful was there a synagogue in la paz yes they they have it they they have they have it did they have that when you were growing up yes they they have it they have it yeah but you and a bear did not go there you went to buenos aires yeah because in those years the rabbis you know didn't be like a often they came i know and for example they didn't have permanent rabbi you know in the lost last year and yeah and to fly to la paz and it
was very difficult you know in those years and very cold and for us that is very hot so with it to go to argentina was easy for us because we have a parameter and my in-law my father-in-law they have a beautiful apartment there and we spend the vacation there and we used to go to the dinner over there so what's easy for us you know so your in-laws moved from uh santa cruz to buenos aires no no no they they were living in santa cruz my father-in-law they came from poland and they came to buenos aires if they were a side part they continued to
live in because the problem was they delisa you know they all the cities was closed for jewish and then the only city that was the country that was open was bolivia and they can receive a jewish organization argentina so there's always been a lot of tolerance in bolivia power common country for religious freedom even you know they were leaving because it was a little city santa cruz and their friend you know with some kind of uh palestinian the samsung people they've like two families they were friends with other jews family and they they live without any problem because they knew that they need to be
together you know but no no anti-semitism in dogear they didn't feel that kind of thing and we were oh that was good no tolerance that is very very very important no is there anything else you'd like to share with us just to say thank you for being here and thank you for my experience that i told you maybe it's not really very you know like a very important or but it's my life i you know if i teach myself and i teach my family and i show my family how what is meaning and what is to live in judah is law in hashem love is
amazing i keep shabbat i keep kosher i try to be you know showing that this is the fashion ones for each other to love each other and to understand what the chavez is just to rest it's just to renew it's just to have a beautiful connection with hashem with cat this is that i wanted to share and i'm very thankful for you and you too for an amazing day well thank you very much for giving us your oral history thank you so much