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Phyllis 1936 Brooklyn New York now you only stayed there till you were three but do you have any recollection at all of Brooklyn actually I don't have a recollection of where we live but I can remember going to the world's fair right before we left to go to Texas and the only thing I remember about the world's spare was the aqua the the swimming girls you know the um whatever they were doing the aquacade yeah yeah so that's the only recollection of Brooklyn then now you do you know why your family decided back in the 30s to move to Dallas well my father was in
business with his brothers in a dress manufacturing that was very successful and he was the younger brother and you know how family businesses can go sometime and then it they I think they went bankrupt so he came to Texas on a shing or less he started an optical uh filling the prescriptions for doctors and it was basically a mail order the doctors in the various small towns All Over Texas they would send in the prescription and he would have a lab and the interesting sidelight about the lab is that the uh Thanksgiving square is on that little triangle that was North Irv it was just
a small like an island on IR street with a couple of stores downstairs and a walk up uh where his lab was wow so I remember that very well because he I was 3 years old when we moved here he he finally moved into another facility as we were older now how did he get into that different business he learned it on his own wow and he we didn't know this till after he passed away in 1980 when they wrote him up in the Optometric Journal that he perfected the assembly line of filling eyeglass prescriptions uh because in the before that one man sat all
day polishing doing you know screwing in whatever it has to do and he perfected the assembly line where one man would do this and one man would do that and got it up this was you know well well before these big companies came in un went to Houston to do the same thing and my father was very much a leader in those days before those big chains came in but he stayed into it till he died wow but then he was sort of you know slowing down because there was so much competition but he had uh customers all over the country now do you think
that this change came about because of the depression is that what hurt the business I think the original business yes the Depression hit uh they hit a lot my parents got married in 1934 and they hit a lot of anti-Semitism in those days my mother who was fair and blonde went to find the apartment and then when my father would come to sign the lease or whatever you had to do they were already it was already rented and that was very overt anti-Semitism in those days wow wow this was back in Brooklyn and well in nicer parts of Brooklyn yeah so um that was how
he came yeah now do you remember your grandparents at all I was seven months old when my maternal grandfather died he was 49 in those days you know you had cancer you went to the hospital for the surgery you didn't come home so I was a baby my grandmother died in 1959 so she was a widow from the age of 48 till 72 she always looked the same little Bubby with a bun black black shoes you know black pocket book now do you know what your grandfathers did for a living though my mother's father was a tailor like so many and I know nothing about
their background she came when she was three years old and her brother was five and they never talked about their background they never it was like she was born Scarlet O'Hara you know and um she never talked about it and that really bothered me as a blate for the last 10 15 years because I wanted to know so I read I read every book I can about the Lower East Side the Garment the whatever I can read about the um immigrant experience what' you do for fun as a little girl growing up in University Park um we played Outdoors we played we we did played
make believe we went to the movies on Saturday for 9 cents you could sit there all day we walked every place because we lived it was also during the War years so you know cars and gasoline were not so plentiful and um did the War affect your family at all did the war no not really not you know you do you mean having members of the family go into the war no my mother had cousins though from Brooklyn or from Lower East Side probably who were stationed at Fort Hood and they used to come in for the weekends and they would stay at our house
and we had a very small house in University Park and they'd sleep on on cots either on the back porch or in the backyard but did you know what was going on with the war were you aware of it not at all not at all not at all did they ever discuss the depression to that to you and the hardships they had to go through no but they had the depression mentality and money was very important to them and yeah not squandering it so what were some of your dreams when you were just a little girl to figure out what I want to be when
I grow up well very good where did you where' you go to high school I went to Highland Park High School and I but I didn't graduate from there because by then my parents were more comfortable they bu a built a big house in Dallas which was North Dallas and I finished up at hrrest okay and what was high school life like for you well high school life was fun I went to all the parties all the well they didn't go to House parties like the kids go to now where they have to call the cops but we went to to the RTC dances and
I went to the the S cops that was the 50s yeah yeah now now after high school was it to work or off to college I went to OU okay and then I ended up at SMU because I had too much fun at OU I never tell my children this story so it's generational what was the too much fun at OU what was it too much fun I hardly I didn't go to class A lot I didn't study a lot and I just had a good time and then it was time to either come home and go to work or go to school preferably both
so I did I went to SMU and I worked part time okay and what was like uh what was it like at SMU for SMU was when you were a town person it's a lot different because SMU is a big party school and I I used to go to the um Jewish fraternity party all of those but there was no sorority and there was really I got active on campus right uh because in lie of sorar life or anything like that now did you meet the your future husband when you were in college I was still in college but he was already at medical school
he was a a resident where did where did you meet you was a blind date like we used to have yeah and so tell me about that first date oh we went to a play at Fair Park it was the Margot Jones theater because the residents and interns used to get free tickets and that was the only way we could afford to he could afford to take me someplace so that's what we did yeah yeah and then how long did you guys date for well we wait dated well I knew him three years but he was in the service for almost two years in uh
the Phil in in he was in the Navy attached to the Marines as a as a doctor okay so he was overseas and the Navy in those days couldn't take wives so we didn't and I didn't want to be engaged long distance so we waited till he came back okay and then where did you guys settle down in Dallas okay yeah he did a he was chief resident at Baylor Hospital in Internal Medicine in 1959 so we lived on Gaston Avenue in one of the new apartments did he ever talk to you about the medical advancements over the years that he saw well he's seen
a lot because he was in practice for 44 years he just retired about eight years ago right but did he ever say anything about the differences from when he started to when he ended he ended because of the differences I mean with the with the government and the the rules and regulations and he's he was the oldfashioned Doctor Who made house calls he could get up two or three times in the middle of the 19 to run to a house call or go to the emergency room so there were a lot of differences between now and then tell me about your involvement with the Jewish
Community well I've been very involved over the years I started out in younger Set uh when when I was young um in Federation and I I worked very hard in uh campaign and younger I was president of younger set I was campaign chairman for younger set and then I invol evolved into um Women's Division I was chairman of women's division in um the80s I was very active here at the JCC when my kid when my youngest son was in the preschool here that's Michael he's the one with the twins uhhuh uhhuh um I was very active here and um then I became very involved with
American Jewish committee I was on the speakers Bureau for ADL in the days when the gasoline was so and they were BL the gasoline was um rationed you'd have to line up at the gas station at 6:00 in the morning to get your share and they were blaming the Jews and Israel so I was on that speaker's Bureau for a while um I was president of the of one of the chapters of benth women and I was active there was there something uh an accomplishment or an event or something that really meant a lot to you in all these years that you worked on well
I worked on there was a group of us and I think we were still in younger set we might not have been I don't remember the year with the uh Russians and we we brought the Federation we had a we had a committee that got the Federation involved here locally with the Russians we talked to all the uh the leadership of the of the uh Federation the board and brought brought everyone together for something that I was very very active in that in those days it's been a while now you say you're on the uh speakers Bureau when there was the gas rationing uh I
guess that was SP to church so you did go around and try to Summer my son was on it was during the summer and he we showed a film and he was a projector I remember that that gave him a summer job you have three children what are their names Your Kids Stuart he's an attorney and our daughter has um she lived in Austin after she got married now she's been in Dallas about 21 years and she's got three boys now was there something that came along an invention or something in your lifetime that you remember seeing and that you go how did we ever
get along without this oh everything the cell phone yeah the answering machine you could go backwards you know from what we have now and uh yeah yeah so you're remember all of that all that the quiz and art even I mean everyday quiz and art we used to have to do it by hand I'm that I'm that old yeah how have you seen the Jewish community in Dallas grow over the years well I've seen it grow that we've got I mean when you're in this this fabulous building alone and all of the uh beautiful uh synagogues and there they that people notice when I grew
up there was a lot of anti-Semitism that I personally in the second and third grade witnessed I didn't know about the ADL then right uh with because I went to a school that there were no Jews in the class and it maybe one or two by the time I got to Junior High so I that I've seen the grow you know the Jewish Community is definitely in the Forefront in my mind yeah what's the happiest time in your life well the happiest time is I think when when I saw my grandchildren uh when they were born my happiest times when I got married of course
and my own children now in your lifetime you've lived through so many momentous occasions of course uh you know the wars President Kennedy assassination something good the moon landing for the first time in 69 absolutely we all watched it tragedy of 9/11 what stood out that really affected you that you remember where you were when it happened I remember where I was with uh Kennedy I was taking back some overalls at my my then one-year-old baby got for a birthday gift to to JIS which was taes in those days at at uh Forest Lan and I didn't hear it on the radio but I walked
into that department store and the the men were all watching the televisions because they had televisions downstairs the baby department was upstairs and I still didn't I had to go take care of my business and get home so I could put him down for a nap so I didn't hear about it till my husband called me to tell me from he called me from work and we turned on the radio then we turned on the television we didn't realize it we could see it and the moon landing you watch that too watch that yeah now um of course with the Kennedy assassination here in Dallas
did you guys know Jack Ruby who wound up shooting Oswald no I did my parents belonged to sherith Israel and apparently he was a member there and they went to services that Friday night at sherith and he was there that was prior to the Sunday morning shooting but they were watching television on Sunday morning I was teaching Sunday school at Temple and they had just seen it yeah it was around 10 11:00 and I went over there after 12 what did they think when they saw Jack I don't know I just but I know he was a member of sherith Israel and that Rabbi his
name was Silverman at the time Rabbi Silverman went to see him in jail that's all I from what I've read once my father was in the hospital prior to this to the assassination and the Speaker of the House Sam rber he was in the hospital at Baylor and he was on that floor that my daddy and so they told everyone to stay in the rooms but my mother could stand at the door and she did see Kennedy walk by with the Secret Service I guess and she was very proud of seeing that years later there was a federation a National Convention here and I got
to shake hands with u gold of my air that was a highlight for me yeah um the young woman who was the first Jewish police woman in Dallas her family were my husband's patients and she saw me she says come with me you'll get to see her when she comes so we went through the kitchen and I got to stand in the kitchen of hatler hotel and we got to shake hands with her this was I don't know what year it was do you remember the uh police officer's name yeah her last name is Miller but Mara Marsha now you and uh Joe been married
55 years in counting no 54 in counting June will be 55 all right June of this year will be 55 you have the three children three grown kids and five grandchildren our daughter has three children the oldest is 19 at USC the next one's going to be 18 in April graduating and he by the way I have to give a plug he's the regional president of the uh Temple youth for Texas Oklahoma Arkansas whatever great so we're proud of him and the youngest one will be 14 in February okay and then you have two babies from Michael Michael and as you told me uh your
grandkids rang from USC to JCC to The JCC what advice does Grandma want to leave to the Next Generation just to enjoy enjoy every minute because you never know when it's going to be over with that's great advice well thanks for doing this today pH thank you that was easy