Rosalee Cohen
Rosalee Cohen was born in Dallas in 1920, the older of two daughters. Her father came from Poland, from a town she remembered being connected to the Jethro family, where his family ran a butcher shop, and her mother came from the Ukraine in Russia. Her parents married in 1919, and her father, who had adopted the surname Cohen after being befriended by a rabbi during his journey, worked in the garment manufacturing business. He founded Cohen Garment Company, and one of his blouse lines was named Rosalie after her. Her younger sister Bernice, called Babe, was born 23 months later. When Rosalee was four, the family moved to New Braunfels so her father could open a factory, staying seven years before returning to Dallas.
Back in Dallas, the family settled in a warm South Dallas neighborhood near Colonial Hill Elementary, surrounded by other Jewish families. Rosalee attended Colonial Hill, then Forest Avenue High School, where she was a class officer, singer, and performer, graduating in January during the era of midterm graduations. She went on to the University of Texas, the University of Oklahoma, and finally Southern Methodist University, where she was active in a sorority and graduated in three and a half years. Originally an education major, she switched to social work after learning the school district would not readily hire her, and she began her career with city county welfare and later the Corps of Engineers during the war.
Rosalee married her childhood sweetheart, Cyril, in 1942 at the Melrose Hotel after he returned from military service; she had told a friend at age twelve that she would marry him. They built three homes over the years and raised three children, though their first child sadly passed away. She worked in synagogue offices, including as secretary to a rabbi, and served three years as president of the Sisterhood, once cooking for a large donor luncheon featuring Robert Strauss. Raised in a kosher home affiliated with Shearith Israel, she taught Sunday school at both Shearith Israel and Temple Emanu-El and reflected on the changing traditions of Dallas Jewish life. She spent 36 years in the Dallas school system as a school social worker and Spanish interpreter, and remained proud of her large and accomplished family.
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today is Monday May the third 13 my name is Clint Reisner I am the vyatta the videographer and the interviews name is Rosalie corn and the place of the interview today is at the Jewish Community Center we are the Dallas Jewish Historical Society would you like what would you like for me to call you mrs. corner oh silly Carly Rosalie okay very well okay Rosalie in beginning I'm going to ask you some questions regarding your family tell me about your family parents grandparents where and when were you born how did you happen to settle in Dallas what did your parents do for a living my daddy came from Poland my mother came from Russia the Ukraine and daddy landed in Gallison i'ma landed in philadelphia I don't know how they met but they did they were married in 1919 and i was born in nineteen twenty my daddy bought a house on current street and furnished it completely from kosher so he could
bring his mother his brother and her sister over from poland yes what did they live in poland the town the same pounded that jet li lived in and we pronounce it ships but it's spelled with all the Z's and the stuff and someone said to me once there is no such place I said well my daddy was in there mister said he told me he knew my grandparents there they're down to butcher shop which I never knew my father's name was ralph david / joe roth mentally / john but when he got to germany he was befriended by rabbi named jacob cohen when he got
to Galveston see what his name was he said Jacob comb so I said daddy you afraid that the perp the Polish army was going to reach across the Atlantic and grab you he said I guess so but he had an aunt in London who never called him anything but mine early Barack mill dovid good we called him Jake I have one sister who was 23 months younger than I she was born in 1404 Corinth my mother didn't like hospital she thought you went there to die though she had me there but I guess that was enough and I was born Arab yom kippur so my
daddy didn't go to see me and my uncle said to my father do you have a new baby and he walked from bill well I don't know where sure if there was at that time I think some place on st. Louis Streeter and he walked all the way to st. Paul hospital to see me and he used to tease me because I was a instrument baby and I had two big indentations in my skull and he said I walked all that distance for that and I for years it used to make me feel so bad until I realized he was teasing me my sister was born 23 months after I was born and she was a chunky little girl they didn't have to worry about her dense cities dead nipples and her name was Bernice but we called her baby doll then we left shortened it to babe and my kids call her and bebe she passed
away about 20 years ago what did your parents do for was my daddy didn't give me my daddy was in a manufacturing business he was Allison merchants billing building for over 20 years and he made started out making blouses and of course the name on the blouse was Rosalie it was named after me it was cone garment company and he my mother worked with him she was a designer I don't know where they got this towel that they had it and that's where he was he worked personally when he came to Dallas for Neiman's and he got three dollars a week and they were supposed
to get a dollar raise every week until he got to twelve dollars and they stopped paying him he said he learned two words liar and thief and he chased mr. Neiman through the store with pair of scissors and then he worked for saggers because they had a lot of them refugees or the immigrants or whatever uh you're talking what did what did you live as a child when my daddy when I was four years old but it didn't mean when I was four years old my daddy was approached by the owners of the kemal mill in new braunfels they wanted him to come open a factory to make cotton dresses so when I was for my sister was too we moved to New Braunfels and we stayed there for seven years we came back to Dallas
when I was 11 years old and I started Cornell health school we lived across the street from the school daddy rented an apartment and then the next year he bought a house on park row so i went to colonial i went to forest and then i went to the university of texas and i went to university of oklahoma and i graduated from SMU and my husband used to teach me want to know why didn't go to A&M I said they didn't take coeds in my day I went for dances but not to go to school there what was your neighborhood like mostly chromeo Hill Elementary
it was a good neighborhood it was interesting because the slingers live next door to my hand who lived wind or down from us the Stern's lived across the street a person's lived around the corner the Rothschild lived around the corner landsberg she married a rough chop so we knew each other we were in and out of each other's doors constantly it was we could play outdoors we weren't word Merwin Hoffman was lived behind me and we used to climb up on the roofs like idiots and jump off so my mother caught us and then we stopped but the neighborhood's were fine so it was a
very nice neighborhood wasn't it very very country of crime violence well we had break-ins but we didn't we just had a man who drove around and were supposed to be watching our houses but my mother contended that when we left the house he would tell the burglars we weren't at home because we had side break-ins hmm what did you do for abuse Minh as a tunnel well on Saturday I got in trouble two saying this at Sunday school but on Saturday on Shabbat my sister and I and my cousin Esther barge em stein would get on the streetcar with our three cents and we'd go
downtown and we'd go to the movies and we'd sit up in the balcony and sometimes we took our sandwiches with us sometimes we didn't and then mom and daddy would leave the factory they didn't work there but they went to things over and they would meet us and we'd go back to the movie and see it again and then we'd go downtown and we what we call window shop because that's mama got idea closing the windows and then we'd go eat at a restaurant and then we drive home in the car and then we used to go swimming a lot who went to white rock
we went to Keith park we went to lakewood that i got a beautiful third-degree burn on my back from being out in the sun for eight years but we had a good time we didn't have a lot of money but we were happy I thought was you had a lot of entertainment in your neighborhood and different social activities well we all get together and play in fact there's one friend of mine it's in my however our group said to me the other night Rosalie when I came to Dallas to visit my grandparents with the Malevich's I know we played together I said I know we
did I briefly you briefly informed me about your education but tell me about your experiences in school where activities activities interest grade school high school what did you do after high school college where when what did you study it seems that you have a very comprehensive education I congratulate you thank you well I started Texas taking core subjects and then my daddy had a heart attack that summer and I stayed home to help my mother in the business because she couldn't run it by herself and I was the one to help pack and ship and keep the books and do the bookkeeping and stuff like
that and never had any problems in school I did have problems and New Braunfels with one teacher and one neighbor who told me they were going to put my mother and Daddy in a boxcar and throw him in the river and at home when Apollo a bohemian girl working for us Lottie and I started crying and she said don't pay any attention to him but it was so funny though he would let us play with his daughter LC but he was very anti-semitic hmm in school there was a teacher for some reason who took a dislike to me and I guess I shouldn't say her
name but it was Krueger and she was a mother Bob Krueger who turned out to be one of the Senators or house represented or something and I met him at a party for Martin frost and I said are you related to Alma Krueger and he said my mother let's go call her and I thought oh my gosh luckily she won no I was saved where was this this was this was back in Dallas after we came back today a new braunfels is when she was my second very teaching ok now you went to grade school at colonial elementary right what grades did you tell me
I started in the fourth grade and they were going to put me back because i didn't know long division in my cousin got me by the hand because i came home crying and I said I don't want to be put back to the third grade and she SAT me down and she said now here and she taught me long division overnight so I knew how to do it a high school did you go to force them and only so much a forest avenue high school I was an officer in every class and i graduated in january because back then they had midterm graduations but I
had a great time and high school because i was in every play I was a singer I like to say in fact in new braunfels I used to entertain the Lions Club singing acapella dude scrawny me stand up there singing all those gentlemen it was fun I enjoyed it well my years with the Dallas school system as I told you earlier was 36 years was Madison High School oh yes but I've been there many times clean as a pen and worked is the school social work in interpreter for spanish-speaking students and parents and I can look I would look at the class rosters from the
40s and saw numerous Jewish certain oh we had I was secretary to the alumni group for years and the first time we had our first big reunion I was standing next to the president who was jacked I velasquez since passed away and who stands there but Henry Miller Stanley Marcus singing we're loyal to you far as high and we were hysterical here are these leaders in the community I mean big shots singing we're loyal to you far as I Russell you of course Avenue high school what percentage was Jewish like all nine percent twenty-five percent I see where they well received by the earth stores
they were all so smart okay couldn't very well turn you know one of the only thing I didn't like about high school with the principal was very anti-semitic crew he would hold he would hold cheerleading tryouts on Yom Kippur so none of the Jewish kids could try out to be a cheerleader and but other than that the teachers were wonderful life I just adore in fact I still talk about my teachers from forest it was a good quality score yes in fact miss Kimberly who was a song taught us music picked me just singing an all-city glee club and I was so proud my all
my folks were so proud of me but I like listen I love to entertain I love to sing okay after high school you went to college I believe you mentioned three different colleges well so library Don that I went to Texas 11 well 10 Dallas girls I was the 11th got on the train and went to the University of Texas and most of them fledged Delta Phi Epsilon we were all sorority sisters who had a great time and I had a ball in fact I got put on probation a few times because I stayed out too late but he was fine I did fairly good
there but then after my dad had his heart attack and I stayed home a friend of mine fixed me up with the date from Oklahoma at the Texas oh you game and he said why don't you come to Ole you and I thought you know that's not such a bad idea and my daddy was so excited he would cry when I visit him in the hospital that I wasn't in school and I said daddy I'm going back to school don't worry about it and at that time out-of-state tuition was fifty dollars so i went to all you and lived in the dorm the Scottish Rite
darme because my daddy shriner and it was wonderful i gained 10 pounds and dashes the best $5,000 you ever spend I put 10 pounds on me but I had a good time I had a real good time you like told you I liked oh you then yeah uh what did you study these college oh well I started out as an education major and I took most of the courses and I was supposed to do practice teaching and then the young man I was pinned to that owe you the Sammy flunked out of school of course his family blamed me but if he thought he was
smarter than the teachers so I decided my daddy said why don't you come home and finish at SMU and I said that's a good idea I did well then they came to me and said you're Jewish and I said yes and they said the Dallas Independent School District won't hire you unless you're an aged student well I wasn't thought was a B student and maybe occasionally at sea so I had to change my major so I love everything I changed my major to I guess you'd call it sociology but it was social work and I work for city county welfare after i graduated in three
and a half years i took 21 hours in summer school and they made me sign a petition a farm that if i had a nervous breakdown they wouldn't blame the school my parents wouldn't blame the school but I did graduate with a case of the shingles but I got my degree in three and a half years even with all the transferring I did from the University of Oklahoma know from sm idiot osm you at this time did you like us in here oh yeah I was present in the sorority we had a local and I was president as sorority my sister was there Jewish some
more tea yeah we had a local sorority delta rho we wanted to put a national we wanted a five but the Dean wouldn't let us I don't think she liked us too much because we used to win the scholarship come every year we had some smart girls we had Kid Morgan this is interesting because I'm an SMU graduate also Delta Rho I had a Sammy chapter I knew they had a centimeter then and we had a local del charro I wrote the song for and do you think SMU was being somewhat anti-semitic maybe no I think just that individual Dean was but I never found
we never had any difficulty in classes and I never did I just freewheeling just doing what I wanted to do and studied and got out so over the years going to three different colleges you accumulated a lot of credits I son and I didn't lose any either when a transfer which was interesting they asked me why I wanted to get out so in some from summer school and I said oh I have to go to work well it wasn't true but that's what I told them so they let me take the 21 hours but i only took only took five finals i was excused from
to others because my grades were high enough this and i didn't have to have a final you touch a masterís in this no i didn't get my masters i was going to get a masters in social work but they only teach school that taught it was arlington and that's when i had already married and had three kids and I told the woman at Presbyterian where I had applied for a job that I told her I had a double masters I had an MA MA and she started laughing she said oh your mama I said I can't leave my family to go to school because I
take care of them everything else thank you well you really had a a great pass the different colleges were tempted yeah then after I got through with city county i worked for city county welfare they hired me as a typist and it was interesting because they used a dictaphone i had never used to dictaphone so when she said okay you're hired i went down to the dictaphone office and said teach me and they did in the next day I went to work but after that the government the war broke out and I went to work for Court of Engineers and Santa Fe building and I
work there till the war was over then I worked a lot of other jobs in different synagogues worked at sheriff is in fact that was a secretary to grab my wife's felt and he's the one who married Cyril and me during your childhood what were your Jewish affiliations we belong my sister and I belong to what we call young Judea and then I guess we stayed there until we were teenagers I can't really don't remember no we were teenagers as young to death and then after I got married and my kids were old enough to go into b'nai brith youth organizations I became an advisor
bbyo did that for a few years as a child you your family did belong to a synagogue we belong to Jareth Israel yes oh no first when we moved back to Dallas daddy didn't affiliate with sheriff he had belonged to share with before he married my mother but then temple emanuel would let you send your children to sunday school without being a member of paying dues so for the first year my cousin esther and my sister babe and i walked from our house on Pennsylvania Avenue over to South Boulevard and went to Sunday School and dr. sellers came through one day and wanted to know who wanted to conduct services after Sunday school we always had like a chapel service and I raised my hand and I didn't even know how to read the transliteration but I conducted the services and when I went home and told my dad would I had done I thought the buttons were going to bust off his clothes but he was so proud of me why sure and this was in a conservative sure this wasn't implement all the Temple Mount Walker an attempt that shared Israel I taught there I was with mrs.
winterman I used to help lead the class and singing and I was confirmed there I took postgraduate work and I taught Sunday School there as well as teaching at temple emanuel did your family celebrate the jewish holidays oh yes my mother had a great big closet did all the dishes went in there and we had a meal cook inflation dishes come out for Passover we were very I say from we kept a kosher home my daddy's and came over from England and she kept a kosher home in London so my mother did the whole kitchen over so and Golda could stay with us and she
kept that kosher home until the day she died nutri Paris belonged to Jewish organizations oh yeah mama was a member of The Sisterhood of Sheriff Israel daddy didn't belong to oh he was a brotherhood member what am I thinking yeah daddy was a member brother as yours as well he's on the board of directors of sure Israel he was he was active in the Masonic and shrine he did that in fact he gave my husband a wedding gift to become a shrine to become a mason okay so your family had interactions with the Jewish community on a continual basis I'm and daddy winters in fact
we would go to services on Friday night and my sister and I would fall asleep on the pews and daddy would carry us out but we went and we were very much Jewish in Hanukkah was a big holiday for us and we had a neighbor in new braunfels who was German and she used to let us go in and throw the cranberries on the tree because my daddy explained us that Christmas was not our holiday therefore we did not celebrate it but we knew we were Jewish and we proud of it how did you or your family interact with the Gentile community did you have
gentle friend oh yeah we had well daddy had a factory which was made up of black people and because they Gentile community and we did fine I mean we used to give Christmas presents too we pick up a school or maybe Scottish Rite or something and make a dope money a money donation and give them a list we wanted to send to it but my daddy was very well known on Commerce Street everybody knew Jake Owen he helped a lot of people start businesses and what was the mangas come Nivea cone garment company on which street commerce commerce okay wholesale merchants building out seized him
once I said dad even in here 20 years you could have bought the building I said you think Leo kargh and used his own money I said he put the building of his collateral and then got the money to buy said I don't want to do that I don't want to do that okay he was happy you're working career or adult activities now what did you do after college or high school what kind of work did you do well I work for City County Welfare then I worked for the government's with court engineers then my uncle had a heart attack my sister and I flew
to Mexico City to be with my aunt she had no children and my daddy insisted that we go down and stay with my aunt it was his brother who had the hard Zak and she was that my sister was a medical technician she went back to work but I had been working at a good assam is a receptionist and taking care of the money and stuff and they let me go so I got a job working for sures Israel for the rabbi I was his secretary and I worked there until I got married and then after I got married I worked for I lied well
not Alex I was multics which was my uncle Cyril's uncle will saffer and mr. Malley wits and Cyril had an interest in the business so I would go in and help with the book work and then I work for different people around you know once you learn how to write up a contract you can write up any kind of contract and I was pretty versatile when I work for the government they used to send me out to different places because I could adapt so easily they said I was smart so I said thank you we were extremely versatile very very could do many things you were involved in civic organizations and love to cook oh really yes when I was
a member of sisterhood they came up to me at temple and they said would you like to do when the luncheons and I said sure and it turned out to be the donor for 400 people and I was in charge of the food and who do you think the guest speaker was Robert Strauss and I was so excited I ran in from the kitchen to the we had a reception before the for the luncheon and I said I want to shake your hand because there was a rumor that he was going to run for president and I want to say that I cooked for the
president he said Otto Otto but I did that for I was president of sisterhood for three years and I would conduct a meeting and run in the kitchen and make sure everything was okay what did Robert spouse to another strauss it was ambassador to russia at one time oh really he's a lawyer I ran around with it good brother and of course you were active in Jewish organizations as well right the challahs your favorite organization I think sisterhood so they do the most oh I belong to Hadassah I belong to where they come later he was bored I was on four different boards i was
on a lot of committees at temple lonesome he's a committee still AM holiday committed all kinds of committees Sunday School Committee it got so that I was so inundated with meetings that I quit everything it just stopped because I was burned myself out and then I went to work for my husband for four years and I quit and he fired me simultaneously okay they'd call an ask for the boss and I'd say he isn't here no we meet you and I said I ain't going to work how did you meet your husband did you tell me I met my husband at his step sister's house
when we were 12 years old and he used to come over on his bicycle he lived with his grandmother on Forest Avenue and he used to come over on his bicycle and pump me to the forest theatre or the white theater and he'd say he got your dime I said I got my dime and one day I remembered I even remember the clothes I work because my folks made all our clothes and I said the baby took us to the movies in our car and when we got back home and he got on his bike and went home I said to her Rose Parker she
was owed I said that's the boy I'm going to marry and thirteen years later I did and what year were you married married in 1942 and bells in Dallas waited for him to come home from service and he came home to me SI temple moon no we got married at the melrose because i didn't want to get married at sheriff we belong to sheriff and because so they didn't have a middle aisle and I wanted to walk down the middle aisle so we got married at the number of hotel the one on Oak Lawn and cedar springs had a big dinner afterwards and went to
New Orleans on her honeymoon and of course I was his old stomping ground because he had gone to gulfport military academy and after that he went to LSU tried to get me to go to LSU I suck huh I'm staying in Texas all right then I was a test india by that I after you got there and put you junior Austin live and what part of dallas we had an apartment on university boulevard that was being rented by a friend of ours and she convinced the landlady was an efficiency in fact it had a Murphy bed and the first time I pulled the Murphy bed
down I went back up with it so Cyril Cyril body I wait 86 pounds when I got married I was a little of nothing he said he made a woman out of me I said you tried too hard when I got to 120 esta that's it but we lived on University Boulevard and then thorough got a GI loan and we built our first house on Carruth which is gorgeous still there we lived there 12 years we had three children and the house got too small we only had two bedrooms so then we built another house on Baxter shower which was twice as big as the
one on Carruth when our kids all went off to college we decided we downsize and we did and we built our third house which I'm in now i'm waiting on lane right off a willow okay now Carruth the university lahore that was park cities wasn't it yeah okay and how are the neighbors say well this the Carruth was Dallas oh the neighbors were great across the street was a Jewish family and we were friendly with all everybody everybody was friends and i'm certain that you two main contact with the Jewish community of holidays use of course I work in a gift shop every tuesday i'm
going to start helping bake cookies on thursdays i just did a boot scootin barbecue deal we had i got in on that I do a lot of stuff I have to stay busy how many children did you have three children our first child unfortunately passed away but have a boy who's a doctor in st. in Houston he's an excellent surgeon and I have a daughter in Arkansas who raises grey hands and has a pet salon where she grooms dogs and they raised the grands to race and then I have a daughter who teaches at the Jewish Community Center he or she taught a temple preschool for 20 years and then she went to Kansas City with her special friend and they came back to Dallas and now she's working at the JCC in pre-k okay how many grandchildren do you have counting the ones who are married i have 12 grandchildren congratulations and i have three great grant you one derful and
i think they are adorable let's talk about them for a minute well last night my granddaughter came over because unfortunately my phone was off the hook and they couldn't get me and she got worried so she drove over to see if I was okay and she had sent me a video of Madeline who is going to be two in july i miss you mimi love you mimi and then that's my daughter's my son's daughter and then my daughter and Arkansas has two sons one lens in Corinth he has two children and Khloe in clayton or seven and five and they're adorable and David is married
to a young woman who's doing her internship in Denver Michael is in Chicago he's working for some mortgage company he's a brilliant site computer guy and Laura married a young man of orthopedic surgeon they're going to go to North Carolina and a couple of months for her fellowship and that's about it everybody in my family I'm bragging Jason's wife jason has the master's in behavioral analysis and his wife got a full scholarship at the University of Oregon and she has her PhD and behavior analysis and they just got a job we're so excited they're leaving Oregon thank goodness and they're going to be in Texas
Tech in Lubbock and then my son son has a full scholarship to Harvard that's Michael Cohen and he's in neuroscience but has something to do with the brain in the eye I don't know he sees season as ivory tower on he's he's brilliant hold a zoo he's 26 and he's going to go to Harvard he's in her because the second here now wow that's great yeah but you're very proud of them out yeah they're great kids everybody in the family hazard has a degree except my Cindy and she didn't really didn't care anything about school she just wanted to get married have kids so she
has two great boys who called me all the time I mean there they lived with me for two years while she Geller and it around okay we've talked about your connections here in and also Dallas gendered childhood and when you move there we discussed that I'm sure Dallas it's very different during your childhood that is compared to today oh yes well we used to ride the streetcar for one thing I haven't ridden a streetcar and god I don't know how many years my mother used to ride the streetcar to the to the factory downtown and then we would pick them up my sister and I
then took the card as I knew daddy would ride the streetcar to the factory and then we picked we drive from SN nude we picked them up at the whole summer to the billing we'd come home how has the city changed significantly as compared to your job oh it's it's a whole new ballgame I mean completely new completely new in fact I remember going downtown when they looking for singers and it was no longer shires it was health center oh well I thought that's what I told I and I thought I I don't go anywhere oppressed LBJ because I to be honest with you born
in Dallas but I am the worst one that sense of direction my husband put a compass in the car so I wouldn't get lost but oh it's it's grown it's big it's it's vibrant it's just it's just so different than it was back in those days back in those days the community then would you say it was more cohesive than it is today are am I wrong well I always felt we were sort of segregated because South Dallas was South Dallas and North Dallas was north dallas and east dallas was his dallas and west allis you didn't go to because it was too dangerous but
as things as we have smarter leaders now and we're try to get everything put together and then they're working very hard on South dollars to bring some financial help there i think it's we've got good leaders and if they keep you doing it'll be fine so the community like in those days was more like a closed round into we true because the boys would come over i lived on park row and south boulevard was where the chapel was and the boys from temple would come over to get me to take me to their psych ops on sunday because we used to laugh and say from
girl from chapel murder boy from sheriff is ruler to ferret that was mixing oil and water because we were so completely different I mean temple emanuel you they had their Passover and then after dinner they had chicken for dinner and then they'd have ice cream for dessert and just just to drive my mother crazy and they walk outside and smoke a cigarette on Friday night and she didn't like it at all but when my son got bar Mitzvahed at temple emanuel i said to my daddy okay daddy say your prayers think you're walking into a church but he was so impressed with rabbi olin who
wasn't that he sort of changed his tune and now today our temple is leaning toward conservativism yarmulkes Hollis's we sell more chalices on our gift shop I think than any other I'm just guessing we so many many taluses there's not a child it's getting boring but Mitzvahed it doesn't come in the shop and look for a talus when i taught sunday school at temple a woman called me one day and asked me if she her son could wear at Alice to his Bar Mitzvah and they told me to tell her no didn't what year was this sometimes in the 60s so it was different then
and and I remember when we did Hanukkah they said don't stress this sarv David not unless they asked for and I went outside and I was crying and my husband said what's wrong and I said and I told him he said I don't want you to teach her anymore so I finished up my hair but I didn't go back but I had taught for two or three years there and talked two or three years of shares his room ok this is that that wasn't for this was a this was he when we had the Six Day War in Israel that's when grab Island did a
complete turnabout ok before Zionism was a dirty word a dirty word oh yeah you didn't he didn't talk about Zionism do they wear yarmulkes deserves no they wouldn't allow it in fact when my husband soft when shellie zimmerman came to dallas and he wore yarmulkes my husband said i want to start wearing my chalice in yarmulke I said no you're not he said why not I said you're being a hypocrite I said you didn't wear it all the time he wasn't here just because he's wearing David where's what they're all about lies wear them not even the women rabbis it's completely changed completely I like
it because they chant where before they didn't it just said it and I had a very dear friend who just cringed when she heard the chanting and I'd sit there like a cheshire cat smile in my head off because that's the way I was taught to chant so that here's the question that I think you have just already answered what was the Dallas Jewish community like then you just explained it was different reader they take me over to dance on Saturday on Sundays and I was considered an excellent dancer and we'd win all comprises but it was like going into temple was like going into
a strange like going into a church they have music organ but we have an organ we have an Oregon a gentle at a beautiful choir we have an international choir sheriff had four people who sang in the choir was lovely but n rabbi and cancer Kaplan who was a dear friend of ours had acquired during the holidays of young men they have a nice square now to uh so the city of Dallas has changed dramatically yes I think you've seen a lot of changes here I sure have I get lost so easily okay I'm gonna go into some concluding questions to ask a who are
your role models in life be sure you have particular people that impressed you and you would consider as a role model and what are you most proud of with these brother models I think well my mother didn't have a role model she her mother died at the age of 39 after having seven girls and mama was 14 when she came to this country and I always said she did the best she could so I really think my main role models in those days were my teachers particularly in grade school I was very very fond of them and they were fond of us being my sister
we were known as the comb girls and we we vote on a Girl Scout camping and we'd want to wash the dishes because we never washed dishes at home we always had a maid even though we didn't have a lot that's one thing we had was a maid she lived in a servants quarters but i think my teachers really were my biggest role models and then i adored my father cuz he came here with nothing and he wasn't rich but back in those days he was rich i mean he wouldn't be considered rich today but he was well fixed and he was a type of
person who said to me and my husband he'd never give us advice unless we asked for it he didn't want to interfere and he never did that he amazed he was amazed at what my husband did is coming back out of service and starting a business and being successful thank goodness so your mother was probably your main role model I admired my mother because of where she came from and what she did I mean she was very talented she in fact all her sisters it was interesting we called him the Thomas girls the name was Thomas chefs can they changed it to Thomas but they
were all excelled in something and they were all in the garment business interesting it was interesting and she was the majordomo we used to tease her because she'd come into the kitchen my sister I would be washing the dishes for after Passover and we'd get down to them maybe the pots a number would say okay girls you go home now i'll finish and we laughed yeah mama we've done everything you could finish but we had we admired her we used to tease her unmercifully Oh used to teazers used to chase us around the dining room table but we had great respect for her and my
father to my daddy once said to me whatever you do always leave a good man that was the most that's very good advice very good as I remember that Rosalie is there anything you would want to add to this interview that we haven't discussed something rejected the right now I appreciate you doing this much more is it gonna be well I want to let you know that I feel extremely honored to have had the opportunity but thank you Sarah do your interview you are really a very very unique individual and you're walking history book of dance in a Dallas Jewish Historical Society this will be
a tremendous asset to our collection of oral histories and again thanks for letting me do your interview you're quite welcome you